Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 dear friends i was just watching an hour long program on Star News titled "Yeh Milan Amangal Hai" in which they are projecting the saturn and mars conjunction in gochara as the onset of a bad period for all people across the board. it is high time people realise that these transits are natural cycles like day and night and an astrologer shall not scare away people by predicting such negative things. needless to say that planets are believed as demons or avataars of god only by a minority of population and within india also majority population comprising of other religions as well as so many hindus who are athiests or rationalists or scientists do not believe such scaring away myths. if an astrologer predicts doomsday or world war based on this mars+saturn conjunction in transit, such things only make astrology a laughing stock. some people have already started selling kavach (protective shield) for saving themselves from this mars+saturn mythical fight in the skies. this reminds me the skylab mishap where few decades ago, similar kavachs were sold so that the falling satellite will not fall on them. it is high time astrology is presented in a more rational and logical manner instead of scaring away people with such world war predictions and sell their kavachs. with best wishes pandit arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Dear Pandit Arjun ji Yes, these TV challanels too, runs such programs for their ratings. AStrologers should not create havoc by straight jacket pedictions. Yes, there is no denial that the transit is tricky, and therefore - an astrologer has greater responsibility towards the native and society at large. regards / Prafulla Gang The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. > > panditarjun2004 > Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:08:03 -0000 > > yeh milan amangal hai > > dear friends > > i was just watching an hour long program on Star News titled "Yeh > Milan Amangal Hai" in which they are projecting the saturn and mars > conjunction in gochara as the onset of a bad period for all people > across the board. > > it is high time people realise that these transits are natural > cycles like day and night and an astrologer shall not scare away > people by predicting such negative things. needless to say that > planets are believed as demons or avataars of god only by a minority > of population and within india also majority population comprising > of other religions as well as so many hindus who are athiests or > rationalists or scientists do not believe such scaring away myths. > > if an astrologer predicts doomsday or world war based on this > mars+saturn conjunction in transit, such things only make astrology > a laughing stock. some people have already started selling kavach > (protective shield) for saving themselves from this mars+saturn > mythical fight in the skies. this reminds me the skylab mishap > where few decades ago, similar kavachs were sold so that the falling > satellite will not fall on them. > > it is high time astrology is presented in a more rational and > logical manner instead of scaring away people with such world war > predictions and sell their kavachs. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Dear Mr Kumar Look at different perspective of the subject. TV shows invites astrologers and astrologer responds to the questions. Just to keep the things sensationalized (with higher anxiety levels), for better viewerships (in turn for better advertisement revenue etc) - the talk shows are navigated accordingly. While submiting generalized opinion for population at large, any expert will skips the basic warning as not to read this as individual chart(even if he has added the disclaimers - TV show editors, remove them to fit more advertisements). Theoritically, there is little difference between daily forecast in newspapers and such talk shows. So, very often - people (majority of whom, are ignorant of technicalities) misread them or for TV show purpose, stick to the program. Now, there is no such ideal issues engaged in terms of ethics, morality, social obligations etc. It is people at large, who are to be responsbile for any such misreadings. Unfortunately, astrologers are blamed many a times, in the name of karmic theory. If karmic theory is to be seriously relied upon, then even person seeking or giving any such services - both are getting engaged into it..and who knows, for which life karmic balances - who is doing it rightly or wrongly. Why does this "karmic theory" prohibits astrologers to make money, whereas he himself got to pay to doctor, teacher etc for self / family etc. The old texts are written in the barter age of civilization so can we live with the same yardsticks? You mean to say, when a doctor comes to an astrologer under severe difficulties, astrologer must not charge say rs one lakh for the moment. and when same astrologer visits the doctor for major surgery, doctor charges Rs one lakh. Just look at the rationale of karmic theory. and at no stage, we can really say, if the price tag is reasonable or not. Yes, if it does not suit our pockets, we may not visit that particular astrologer (just like not going to x, y or z hospital etc). The concept of right or wrong, good or bad etc are more in line with cultural influences and as you may find carring shoes into the temple is quasi sin in Hinduism, where as this is not considered bad in many other religions....and so on. In my personal belief, no one really knows the final truth ( the karmic theory is balancing out the things on its own..), so at the best we can just filter the things at subconscious level (and that again, not beyond our individual karmic balances). BTW, if one reads the history of budhism, jainism, sikhism and so on..they all have different perspective of the final truth. But what is the final truth? regards / Prafulla Gang The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. > > gbp_kumar > Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:48:21 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: yeh milan amangal hai 17/6 > > Dear Pt Arjun, > > astrologers must expose the fakes from real ones and say the ones who are > doing this are not astrologers > and they must not seek short cuts to fame and attract the gullible for > their dire forecasts. > > and anytime Gochare is one of the elements in astrological readings and > needs to be supported by Dasa, ashtakavarga and Shadbalas for GOOD or > Bad. > > and all of you please write in regular press also about such things so > that the believers are educated of the real scene and gullible are > protected. > > and ALSO THE WARNING PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY FROM MISERY OF OTHERS WILL > EARN more bad karma. will pay for it sometime in this life need not wait > till next life. > > JYOTISHYA IS ABOUT GIVIGN HOPE IN TOUGH TIMES WHICH CAN WIDEN TEIR > TOLERENCE LEVEL AND WORK THE LAST OUNCE OF ENERGY TO MAKE THEIR EFFORT > SUCCESFUL when a lot of their efforts fail gives people confidence and > strenght to bear the tough ones when thigns fail as they know it will > and can expect better times later. > > MAN LIVES ON HOPE > > PRashant > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > dear friends > > i was just watching an hour long program on Star News titled "Yeh > Milan Amangal Hai" in which they are projecting the saturn and mars > conjunction in gochara as the onset of a bad period for all people > across the board. > > it is high time people realise that these transits are natural > cycles like day and night and an astrologer shall not scare away > people by predicting such negative things. needless to say that > planets are believed as demons or avataars of god only by a minority > of population and within india also majority population comprising > of other religions as well as so many hindus who are athiests or > rationalists or scientists do not believe such scaring away myths. > > if an astrologer predicts doomsday or world war based on this > mars+saturn conjunction in transit, such things only make astrology > a laughing stock. some people have already started selling kavach > (protective shield) for saving themselves from this mars+saturn > mythical fight in the skies. this reminds me the skylab mishap > where few decades ago, similar kavachs were sold so that the falling > satellite will not fall on them. > > it is high time astrology is presented in a more rational and > logical manner instead of scaring away people with such world war > predictions and sell their kavachs. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group > but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Dear Pandit Arjun ji You are absolutely right. But as we say, one can find a bad friend..but do not abuse the word "friendship"; likewise astrology has its strength. BTW, I know Shreemali..he has built network through TV shows. I will refrain from comments about his skills... He is from Jodhpur too. Strictly personally speaking, I feel that it is difficult to judge people and their practices. and as we all know, we all are going through this karmic process. If we look from his perspective (or any other astrologer's perspective); even with wrong knowledge or fake issues (fake is social term) - people are gaining confidence. So any person, with or without sound astrological base, if can help people, give them confidence during low moments etc..is still a good karma (with or without money). And vice versa is also true. Seeking money does not hamper karma, as it is his profession. And above all, such professional practices are not forcing any individual to come, pay and seek astro consultation. regards / Prafulla Gang The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. > > panditarjun2004 > Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:36:22 -0000 > > Re: yeh milan amangal hai 17/6 > > dear prafulla ji > > as you rightly observed, these TV shows are more to sensationalise > the event with such catchy titles. > > if an astrologer charges money there is no wrong in it. however he > shall not scare away the natives by projecting the worst ahead and > also baseless generalised prediction like world war or doomsday and > then sell kavachs. i always preached and practiced that an > astrologer is like a doctor. while a doctor deals with physical > ailments, an astrologer finds the mental or planetary problems the > native is suffering and suggest remedial measure for those planets. > a healer even finds the invisible problems like evils etc. however, > to sell kavachs for world war and mythical planetary fights in the > skies is a bad karma. > > for example, in a promotional show of Sony TV, an astrologer with > surname shreemali was telling the audience how powerful an ekmukh > rudraksha is and HE ADDED BY SAYING THAT A EK MUKH RUDRAKSHA HAVING > THE SERPENT SYMBOL ON IT IS THE RAREST. all rudraksha sellers in > the world know that suck snake and other symbols on a rudraksha are > fake. if a street hawker is selling a fake product it can be > discounted as bad karma and only gullibles visit him, but if the > same is promoted by a TV show that too endorsed by an astrologer, it > is bad karma. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Mr Kumar >> >> Look at different perspective of the subject. TV shows invites > astrologers and astrologer responds to the questions. Just to keep > the things sensationalized (with higher anxiety levels), for better > viewerships (in turn for better advertisement revenue etc) - the > talk shows are navigated accordingly. While submiting generalized > opinion for population at large, any expert will skips the basic > warning as not to read this as individual chart(even if he has added > the disclaimers - TV show editors, remove them to fit more > advertisements). >> >> Theoritically, there is little difference between daily forecast > in newspapers and such talk shows. So, very often - people (majority > of whom, are ignorant of technicalities) misread them or for TV show > purpose, stick to the program. >> >> Now, there is no such ideal issues engaged in terms of ethics, > morality, social obligations etc. It is people at large, who are to > be responsbile for any such misreadings. Unfortunately, astrologers > are blamed many a times, in the name of karmic theory. If karmic > theory is to be seriously relied upon, then even person seeking or > giving any such services - both are getting engaged into it..and who > knows, for which life karmic balances - who is doing it rightly or > wrongly. Why does this "karmic theory" prohibits astrologers to make > money, whereas he himself got to pay to doctor, teacher etc for > self / family etc. The old texts are written in the barter age of > civilization so can we live with the same yardsticks? You mean to > say, when a doctor comes to an astrologer under severe difficulties, > astrologer must not charge say rs one lakh for the moment. and when > same astrologer visits the doctor for major surgery, doctor charges > Rs one lakh. Just look at the rationale of karmic theory. and at no > stage, we can really say, if the price tag is reasonable or not. > Yes, if it does not suit our pockets, we may not visit that > particular astrologer (just like not going to x, y or z hospital > etc). >> >> The concept of right or wrong, good or bad etc are more in line > with cultural influences and as you may find carring shoes into the > temple is quasi sin in Hinduism, where as this is not considered bad > in many other religions...and so on. In my personal belief, no one > really knows the final truth ( the karmic theory is balancing out > the things on its own..), so at the best we can just filter the > things at subconscious level (and that again, not beyond our > individual karmic balances). >> >> BTW, if one reads the history of budhism, jainism, sikhism and so > on..they all have different perspective of the final truth. But what > is the final truth? >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are > composed entirely of lost airline luggage. >> >> >>> >>> gbp_kumar >>> Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:48:21 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> Re: yeh milan amangal hai 17/6 >>> >>> Dear Pt Arjun, >>> >>> astrologers must expose the fakes from real ones and say the > ones who are >>> doing this are not astrologers >>> and they must not seek short cuts to fame and attract the > gullible for >>> their dire forecasts. >>> >>> and anytime Gochare is one of the elements in astrological > readings and >>> needs to be supported by Dasa, ashtakavarga and Shadbalas for > GOOD or >>> Bad. >>> >>> and all of you please write in regular press also about such > things so >>> that the believers are educated of the real scene and gullible > are >>> protected. >>> >>> and ALSO THE WARNING PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY FROM MISERY OF > OTHERS WILL >>> EARN more bad karma. will pay for it sometime in this life need > not wait >>> till next life. >>> >>> JYOTISHYA IS ABOUT GIVIGN HOPE IN TOUGH TIMES WHICH CAN WIDEN > TEIR >>> TOLERENCE LEVEL AND WORK THE LAST OUNCE OF ENERGY TO MAKE THEIR > EFFORT >>> SUCCESFUL when a lot of their efforts fail gives people > confidence and >>> strenght to bear the tough ones when thigns fail as they know it > will >>> and can expect better times later. >>> >>> MAN LIVES ON HOPE >>> >>> PRashant >>> >>> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: >>> dear friends >>> >>> i was just watching an hour long program on Star News > titled "Yeh >>> Milan Amangal Hai" in which they are projecting the saturn and > mars >>> conjunction in gochara as the onset of a bad period for all > people >>> across the board. >>> >>> it is high time people realise that these transits are natural >>> cycles like day and night and an astrologer shall not scare > away >>> people by predicting such negative things. needless to say > that >>> planets are believed as demons or avataars of god only by a > minority >>> of population and within india also majority population > comprising >>> of other religions as well as so many hindus who are athiests > or >>> rationalists or scientists do not believe such scaring away > myths. >>> >>> if an astrologer predicts doomsday or world war based on this >>> mars+saturn conjunction in transit, such things only make > astrology >>> a laughing stock. some people have already started selling > kavach >>> (protective shield) for saving themselves from this mars+saturn >>> mythical fight in the skies. this reminds me the skylab mishap >>> where few decades ago, similar kavachs were sold so that the > falling >>> satellite will not fall on them. >>> >>> it is high time astrology is presented in a more rational and >>> logical manner instead of scaring away people with such world > war >>> predictions and sell their kavachs. >>> >>> with best wishes >>> pandit arjun >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prashantkumar G B >>> >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group >>> but >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > phone. >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- >>> 09840051861 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US > (and 30+ >>> countries) for 2¢/min or less. >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Dear friend ! So many discusions ! bt no one wanna come to conclusion, Dear friend Arjun ji, Mars and saturn belong to justice and will do the justice Y Ho Halla , Every body here is to earn for his/her livelihood "R nt u ?? so This is modren world , One will go accordingly , Dhaulat, dhan, Shanti- Kaun nahi chahta, But I am afraid , who so ever claims That he or she doesn't want that, is surely befooling others. Think my Dear friends Mangal Jiska Naam hi Mangal hain How can this harm to any1 Yeh to agni hain jo shkti bhi hain Swaha bhi karti hain And saturn Its Judiciary So as per my knowledge Justice is round the corner and Scare is for who has done some thing to the mankind . rest assured Its nt gonna attack common person. I want all of my friends views . rest in a day or so Bye Raj , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > i was just watching an hour long program on Star News titled "Yeh > Milan Amangal Hai" in which they are projecting the saturn and mars > conjunction in gochara as the onset of a bad period for all people > across the board. > > it is high time people realise that these transits are natural > cycles like day and night and an astrologer shall not scare away > people by predicting such negative things. needless to say that > planets are believed as demons or avataars of god only by a minority > of population and within india also majority population comprising > of other religions as well as so many hindus who are athiests or > rationalists or scientists do not believe such scaring away myths. > > if an astrologer predicts doomsday or world war based on this > mars+saturn conjunction in transit, such things only make astrology > a laughing stock. some people have already started selling kavach > (protective shield) for saving themselves from this mars+saturn > mythical fight in the skies. this reminds me the skylab mishap > where few decades ago, similar kavachs were sold so that the falling > satellite will not fall on them. > > it is high time astrology is presented in a more rational and > logical manner instead of scaring away people with such world war > predictions and sell their kavachs. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 dear friend in the name of freedom of expression you can express all your personal views and opinions. but writing comments like "Rnt u??" only expose your maturity level. better you desist from such comments in future and put the words in a more matured manner. as regards coming to conclusions, this is a group where we discuss macro level astrology and debate academically with various dimensions which is known to all contributing members. for occassional visitors, it may look like what you observed. yesterday there was an eerie rush by every television channel to put forth thier view on mars+saturn fight. another channel 7 aired a program titled "sankat me sitare" where the title means the planets or stars are in a problem whereas in reality it is humans who are in problem and not these planets. also your last word "attack" puts the planets in bad light as if they are demons on the prowl to attack. all the nine planets are treated as gods and are worshipped in the navagraha poojas (including rahu and ketu because of their planetary status). hence in jyotish we dont treat them as attackers. with best wishes pandit arjun , "Raj" <chinu_punj wrote: > > Dear friend ! > > So many discusions ! bt no one wanna come to conclusion, Dear friend > Arjun ji, Mars and saturn belong to justice and will do the justice > Y Ho Halla , Every body here is to earn for his/her livelihood "R nt > u ?? so This is modren world , One will go accordingly , Dhaulat, > dhan, Shanti- Kaun nahi chahta, But I am afraid , who so ever claims > That he or she doesn't want that, is surely befooling others. Think > my Dear friends Mangal Jiska Naam hi Mangal hain How can this harm > to any1 Yeh to agni hain jo shkti bhi hain Swaha bhi karti hain And > saturn Its Judiciary So as per my knowledge Justice is round the > corner and Scare is for who has done some thing to the mankind . > rest assured Its nt gonna attack common person. I want all of my > friends views . rest in a day or so > Bye Raj > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > i was just watching an hour long program on Star News titled "Yeh > > Milan Amangal Hai" in which they are projecting the saturn and > mars > > conjunction in gochara as the onset of a bad period for all people > > across the board. > > > > it is high time people realise that these transits are natural > > cycles like day and night and an astrologer shall not scare away > > people by predicting such negative things. needless to say that > > planets are believed as demons or avataars of god only by a > minority > > of population and within india also majority population comprising > > of other religions as well as so many hindus who are athiests or > > rationalists or scientists do not believe such scaring away myths. > > > > if an astrologer predicts doomsday or world war based on this > > mars+saturn conjunction in transit, such things only make > astrology > > a laughing stock. some people have already started selling kavach > > (protective shield) for saving themselves from this mars+saturn > > mythical fight in the skies. this reminds me the skylab mishap > > where few decades ago, similar kavachs were sold so that the > falling > > satellite will not fall on them. > > > > it is high time astrology is presented in a more rational and > > logical manner instead of scaring away people with such world war > > predictions and sell their kavachs. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Since I do not get Indian TV :-( When this first flashed on my non NTSC, non PAL B/G screen I thought that someone had finally found the solution to mangal dosh! Milan without worrying about mangal! Would be a costly survey but interesting to look at real data! Any brave members on this forum that married by choice or without knowing at that time but later found out that either their or their spouse's chart has mangal dosh and yet the marriage was not affected? Please remember that there should not be any cancellation of mangal dosh (e.g., in both charts, saturn in the mangal dosh positions in the other chart, let us leave rahu and ketu out for now because even though they are like mars and saturn, most classics do not give them blessings in that respect (re mangal dosh cancellation). Any takers with charts to share? RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Dear RR ji we have already written long threads on mangal dosh and its cancellation earlier. when you are laying emphasis on NO MANGAL BHANG YOG i.e. strictly no cancellation of mangal dosh, i am afraid it is hard to find any chart, for, if there are 101 reasons making a native manglik, there are 1001 reasons cancelling that mangal dosh. this is more so because some schools (published books) suggest mangal dosha to be seen even from chandra lagna and shukra lagna as well. if you are interested in finding manglik charts strictly and only on lagna chart (no chandra lagna and no shukra lagna) then i can share some pure manglik charts (without cancellation) who are married and are living happily for decades. the bottomline is clear that this manglik dosha is a myth and a man (modern) made dosha and does not find mention in ancient classics except giving individual negative results in some cases where mangal is in 8th and 7th house. with best wishes pandit arjun , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Since I do not get Indian TV :-( > When this first flashed on my non NTSC, non PAL B/G screen I thought > that someone had finally found the solution to mangal dosh! > > Milan without worrying about mangal! Would be a costly survey but > interesting to look at real data! Any brave members on this forum that > married by choice or without knowing at that time but later found out > that either their or their spouse's chart has mangal dosh and yet the > marriage was not affected? Please remember that there should not be any > cancellation of mangal dosh (e.g., in both charts, saturn in the mangal > dosh positions in the other chart, let us leave rahu and ketu out for > now because even though they are like mars and saturn, most classics do > not give them blessings in that respect (re mangal dosh cancellation). > > Any takers with charts to share? > > RR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 you must be reading minds these days, Arjunji or maybe I am becoming too transparent these days ;-) RR , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > Dear RR ji > > we have already written long threads on mangal dosh and its > cancellation earlier. > > when you are laying emphasis on NO MANGAL BHANG YOG i.e. strictly no > cancellation of mangal dosh, i am afraid it is hard to find any > chart, for, if there are 101 reasons making a native manglik, there > are 1001 reasons cancelling that mangal dosh. this is more so > because some schools (published books) suggest mangal dosha to be > seen even from chandra lagna and shukra lagna as well. > > if you are interested in finding manglik charts strictly and only on > lagna chart (no chandra lagna and no shukra lagna) then i can share > some pure manglik charts (without cancellation) who are married and > are living happily for decades. > > the bottomline is clear that this manglik dosha is a myth and a man > (modern) made dosha and does not find mention in ancient classics > except giving individual negative results in some cases where mangal > is in 8th and 7th house. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Since I do not get Indian TV :-( > > When this first flashed on my non NTSC, non PAL B/G screen I > thought > > that someone had finally found the solution to mangal dosh! > > > > Milan without worrying about mangal! Would be a costly survey but > > interesting to look at real data! Any brave members on this forum > that > > married by choice or without knowing at that time but later found > out > > that either their or their spouse's chart has mangal dosh and yet > the > > marriage was not affected? Please remember that there should not > be any > > cancellation of mangal dosh (e.g., in both charts, saturn in the > mangal > > dosh positions in the other chart, let us leave rahu and ketu out > for > > now because even though they are like mars and saturn, most > classics do > > not give them blessings in that respect (re mangal dosh > cancellation). > > > > Any takers with charts to share? > > > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Dear Mr kumar I am just looking at different perespective. What you stated, if fine - if we are offered to live in "sat yuga". How do we define the exploitation? Do all astrologers, who charge hefty fee are exploiting? How do we judge an astrologer being good or bad (or say fake in your terms)? Will people visit (bad !!!) astrologer regularly? Though I am not a professional astrologer, but I sincerely think that - it is not correct on our karmic part to define someone as fake (or even good )astrologer)? Sometimes, person does not know astrology, but yet can offer better help. So let the person taking and giving such mutual services, define - if it is a good karma or bad karma. There is no clear cut norms for price tag. The professional guy defines his fee, and if the person is willing to pay then only he seeks his services. So what is the problem? Let us assume one hour of consultation has costed a person few lakhs ..so is it prudent to call it as exploitation. No - it is not, as long as, astrologer has not forced such services on anyone. Is a expensive doctor committing crime (or say bad karma) by keeping a high price tag? so likewise, let an astrologer charge, whatever he feels (yes, with prior announcement of price tag...not as an extortion sum). Who knows, if the client is repaying past life debt to an astrologer!!!! regards / Prafulla Gang The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. > > gbp_kumar > Sun, 18 Jun 2006 06:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: yeh milan amangal hai 18/6 > > Dar Pt Arjun, > > it is true Everyone does some work to earn a living, may be > astrologers or otherwise, but it doesn't mean that every astrologer is > earning money by exploiting if that is the inference of RAJ, he must > know the difference between chalk and cheese. > > there r many great astrologers who don't charge a paisa, thee r some > who do as Dr. B V RAMAN said as long as it doesn't hurt the person > seeking our advice that much we can ask. > but the ones on TV do pay for coming on TV per show so this is done to > draw returns too I was offered a show by VIJAY TV 14 episodes for 6 > Laks, I can never make that money in my life time as I do most of them > free. all print outs I do charge-it costs me too. > > the scare monger's r exploiters so that the ones who fear sure are > potential customers to him some may go to others. there can be ripple > effect benefit for some. good an bad astrologers. from good u get some > relief and useful, right advice, for fellow quacks u get sucked. > > In the interest of the subject we need to do our bit and warn people of > such fake or false alarms. all said and done if it is their karma to get > exploited it will be so, it is like when u drive on the road u r > potential accident victim so u take care to reduce accidents or > injuries you wont STOP DRIVING WILL U? > > Prashant > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > dear friend > > in the name of freedom of expression you can express all your > personal views and opinions. but writing comments like "Rnt u??" > only expose your maturity level. better you desist from such > comments in future and put the words in a more matured manner. > > as regards coming to conclusions, this is a group where we discuss > macro level astrology and debate academically with various > dimensions which is known to all contributing members. for > occassional visitors, it may look like what you observed. > > yesterday there was an eerie rush by every television channel to put > forth thier view on mars+saturn fight. another channel 7 aired a > program titled "sankat me sitare" where the title means the planets > or stars are in a problem whereas in reality it is humans who are in > problem and not these planets. > > also your last word "attack" puts the planets in bad light as if > they are demons on the prowl to attack. all the nine planets are > treated as gods and are worshipped in the navagraha poojas > (including rahu and ketu because of their planetary status). hence > in jyotish we dont treat them as attackers. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , "Raj" <chinu_punj > wrote: > > > > Dear friend ! > > > > So many discusions ! bt no one wanna come to conclusion, Dear > friend > > Arjun ji, Mars and saturn belong to justice and will do the > justice > > Y Ho Halla , Every body here is to earn for his/her livelihood "R > nt > > u ?? so This is modren world , One will go accordingly , Dhaulat, > > dhan, Shanti- Kaun nahi chahta, But I am afraid , who so ever > claims > > That he or she doesn't want that, is surely befooling others. > Think > > my Dear friends Mangal Jiska Naam hi Mangal hain How can this harm > > to any1 Yeh to agni hain jo shkti bhi hain Swaha bhi karti hain > And > > saturn Its Judiciary So as per my knowledge Justice is round the > > corner and Scare is for who has done some thing to the mankind . > > rest assured Its nt gonna attack common person. I want all of my > > friends views . rest in a day or so > > Bye Raj > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > i was just watching an hour long program on Star News > titled "Yeh > > > Milan Amangal Hai" in which they are projecting the saturn and > > mars > > > conjunction in gochara as the onset of a bad period for all > people > > > across the board. > > > > > > it is high time people realise that these transits are natural > > > cycles like day and night and an astrologer shall not scare away > > > people by predicting such negative things. needless to say that > > > planets are believed as demons or avataars of god only by a > > minority > > > of population and within india also majority population > comprising > > > of other religions as well as so many hindus who are athiests or > > > rationalists or scientists do not believe such scaring away > myths. > > > > > > if an astrologer predicts doomsday or world war based on this > > > mars+saturn conjunction in transit, such things only make > > astrology > > > a laughing stock. some people have already started selling > kavach > > > (protective shield) for saving themselves from this mars+saturn > > > mythical fight in the skies. this reminds me the skylab mishap > > > where few decades ago, similar kavachs were sold so that the > > falling > > > satellite will not fall on them. > > > > > > it is high time astrology is presented in a more rational and > > > logical manner instead of scaring away people with such world > war > > > predictions and sell their kavachs. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get on board. 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