Unequal House Systems

[Guest guest]

Weird, this hasn't gone through twice now. I stayed up to respond to your

note Wendy and then it didn't make the list ;-(

Test just went through so I am resending this below after pasting to new

message. Please forgive if they all start to come through.

 

Patrice Curry [patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net]

Sunday, June 25, 2006 6:12 AM

'jyotish-vidya'

Unequal House Divisions

 

Hi Dear Wendy,

 

//Out of respect for Uttara, I think we should change the subject box

unless the post specifically relates to Uttara.

Apologies for taking so long to do this Uttara...//

Yes, good idea and thoughtful of you - I have changed the subject for my

response too ;-)

 

//As we can see the ayanamsha makes a huge difference. Using Lahiri

ayanamsha, Uttara is/was running the pratyantar dasa of 4th/7th lord

Jupiter. As we know Uttara is also facing difficulties in regards to

7th house matters and this of course can be seen with Rahu transiting

Jupiter in 7th whilst Jupiter transits 8th from 7th. Clearly too

Jupiter's lordship of 4th (breasts) has brought this diagnosis of

breast tumour.//

 

Thank you so much for this note Wendy. Isn't this interesting to see how

absolutely clear this is using Lahiri and the houses and planets line up

perfectly in this case. I will definitely be watching this more and

hopefully this will help me with respect to rectifying charts, as clearly

with my Krisnamurti ayanamsa, in this case, one would have a more difficult

time in rectifying this time or in prediction perhaps. My goal is always to

learn more and gain more clarity and always I am pleased and eager to hear

feedback from you in clarifying something like this Wendy. As you know, I

have gained much in my ability to understand and read a chart due to all

your help and teaching, and watching you in reading charts, following along

with chart in hand.

 

In this case, as you've said Jupiter is strongly signified in both

situations involving 7th and 4th houses. Also quite interesting that Venus

is the Sookshma dasa, and Venus lords Moon, Venus and Moon both given, along

with 4H and Cancer for breasts.

 

Because of my special interest in medical astrology, all these choices as to

how we practice Jyotish and how they are used is especially important in

getting these finer details in a chart. For instance, with Lahiri and

Uttara's chart, and going further into sub lords, one step beyond star

lords, Ketu changes in Lahiri to Ve/Mo, versus in Krishnamurti Ve/Ma. These

are hugely different for my uses...

 

For using Krishnamurti ayanamsa and going into these further star and

sublords, a chart with exact birthtime is very important. As you know, I'm a

fan of Andrew's and he is able to use these finer points to help in

rectifying charts. As I have been away so much over this last year from the

computer, I have not been able to do more research and learning in this

although I'm looking forward to winter here for this. And I purposely have

focused for a couple years strongly on solely learning the basics more and

more strongly, as well as more and more significators.

//PPS: However please don't let me put you off in any way, dear

Patrice...what is comfortable for you is what's right for you :-))

 

My comfort zone (obviously) is along traditional lines. It seems to

me that the different approaches (systems) of astrology can be

likened to the many different approaches to religion...we're drawn to

different ones because we recognise some quality of our 'Self'

there...is this not so :-)//

 

This is a great analogy above with religions Wendy, and I'm drawn into your

thoughts here, and depth with respect to "...we're drawn to different ones

because we recognize some quality of our 'Self'" - Yes, I agree ;-)

 

For my own experience as far as KP, I will explain in a moment, but first

want to say - for anyone still reading ;-) - as well as to you, I am in

agreement with you Wendy, via my own experiences, in the huge importance of

learning traditional Jyotish, as well the importance of constant studying

all the basics very strongly, to gain a footing in reading charts. It is

confusing to know other systems techniques if you don't have the basics

strongly and understand what is considered traditional Jyotish, so not to

mix them inappropriately. This in itself takes a long time of studying and

discrimination. Also really one must read many, many charts. It's difficult

for many to put ourselves out there with mistakes in hand, but unless we

read the charts, and also perhaps write and communicate this, which is

another ability one must learn, we don't develop the clarity in doing

charts. Quite beautifully, this reading of charts seems to enliven in us our

relationship with our own personal Jyotir Vidya, our list namesake.

 

My own experience in coming to Jyotish itself, and my studies, and the

specific studies such as using KP, has been compassionately and graciously

guided, and beyond the intellect in describing the whys and hows of my

reasons, great draw, and direction to KP. I think your words above in using

the 'Self' is also probably a good definition of how this has taken place.

For the detailed medical astrology that interests me, these books and

techniques are very helpful, and I would say perhaps this is also something

of a past familiarity, natural draw, intuition, etc... Hopefully we follow

where God leads us and His purposes, and we are blessed and fortunate to

feel His Grace in guiding our lives. In this we follow our lives Truth, so

for one, it's important and natural to perhaps use techniques another would

not.

 

I deeply value tradition as you know Wendy, and wish no part in lending

confusion to others, but rather always pray and wish for the honesty and

clarity to follow my personal Jyotir Vidya... via God's grace.

 

I loved what you said below here regarding this wonderful act of creation

(from Rasi to Bhava), along with the RECreation fo the Grahas as a new

entity, being the crux of Vedic astrology. Quite beautiful Wendy!

 

All best wishes,

Patrice

 

______________________________

 

PS: Ahhh the penny has dropped! It was a bit early in the day when I

posed the (following) question...brain not fully awake, I'm afraid.

 

I Wrote:

//No doubt you have your reason for using Krisnamurti

ayanamsha...perhaps you can share this with us sometime.//

 

Krishnamurti ayanamsha is, of course, used in conjunction with the KP

system of astrology (devised by the late KP Krishnamurti). As I'm

sure members know, this system divides the houses into unequal

portions as per the Western Placidus House System. This, of course,

is a total deviation from the basic principle of Vedic astrology

which is based on the premise that, at the moment of birth, the

twelve signs of the zodiac (Rasis) manifest as the twelve

bhavas...meaning that the sign, the whole sign (not just a portion of

it) has BECOME a bhava.

 

This wonderful act of creation (from Rasi to Bhava), along with the

ReCreation of the Grahas as a new entity, is the crux of Vedic

astrology. Whereas the division of signs into unequal houses is the

crux of Western astrology. Needless to say I'm not a supporter of the

KP system.

______________________________

 

Dear Patrice,

 

//As you know I use Krisnamurti ayanamsa. This gives your current

dasas of

Sa/Ke/Sa/Sa. We can see this TKetu on your lagna with Saturn and the

difficult transit right now of Saturn/Mars in Cancer.//

 

As we can see the ayanamsha makes a huge difference. Using Lahiri

ayanamsha, Uttara is/was running the pratyantar dasa of 4th/7th lord

Jupiter. As we know Uttara is also facing difficulties in regards to

7th house matters and this of course can be seen with Rahu transiting

Jupiter in 7th whilst Jupiter transits 8th from 7th. Clearly too

Jupiter's lordship of 4th (breasts) has brought this diagnosis of

breast tumour.

 

No doubt you have your reason for using Krisnamurti

ayanamsha...perhaps you can share this with us sometime.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

 

//Quite beautifully, this reading of charts seems to enliven in us

our relationship with our own personal Jyotir Vidya.//

 

This is really it in a nutshell, isn't it :-)

 

Just witnessing the invincible laws of nature manifesting in various

charts enlivens our awareness...aham vishwam (I am the universe)

This is the highest purpose of jyotish...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice and Wendy,

Thank you for this wonderful and valuable exchange on House systems and the relationship regarding "self" and Jyotir Vidya.

It's a keeper!

As Always,

Uttara

 

Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

Weird, this hasn't gone through twice now. I stayed up to respond to your

note Wendy and then it didn't make the list ;-(

Test just went through so I am resending this below after pasting to new

message. Please forgive if they all start to come through.

 

Patrice Curry [patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net]

Sunday, June 25, 2006 6:12 AM

'jyotish-vidya'

Unequal House Divisions

 

Hi Dear Wendy,

 

//Out of respect for Uttara, I think we should change the subject box

unless the post specifically relates to Uttara.

Apologies for taking so long to do this Uttara...//

Yes, good idea and thoughtful of you - I have changed the subject for my

response too ;-)

 

//As we can see the ayanamsha makes a huge difference. Using Lahiri

ayanamsha, Uttara is/was running the pratyantar dasa of 4th/7th lord

Jupiter. As we know Uttara is also facing difficulties in regards to

7th house matters and this of course can be seen with Rahu transiting

Jupiter in 7th whilst Jupiter transits 8th from 7th. Clearly too

Jupiter's lordship of 4th (breasts) has brought this diagnosis of

breast tumour.//

 

Thank you so much for this note Wendy. Isn't this interesting to see how

absolutely clear this is using Lahiri and the houses and planets line up

perfectly in this case. I will definitely be watching this more and

hopefully this will help me with respect to rectifying charts, as clearly

with my Krisnamurti ayanamsa, in this case, one would have a more difficult

time in rectifying this time or in prediction perhaps. My goal is always to

learn more and gain more clarity and always I am pleased and eager to hear

feedback from you in clarifying something like this Wendy. As you know, I

have gained much in my ability to understand and read a chart due to all

your help and teaching, and watching you in reading charts, following along

with chart in hand.

 

In this case, as you've said Jupiter is strongly signified in both

situations involving 7th and 4th houses. Also quite interesting that Venus

is the Sookshma dasa, and Venus lords Moon, Venus and Moon both given, along

with 4H and Cancer for breasts.

 

Because of my special interest in medical astrology, all these choices as to

how we practice Jyotish and how they are used is especially important in

getting these finer details in a chart. For instance, with Lahiri and

Uttara's chart, and going further into sub lords, one step beyond star

lords, Ketu changes in Lahiri to Ve/Mo, versus in Krishnamurti Ve/Ma. These

are hugely different for my uses...

 

For using Krishnamurti ayanamsa and going into these further star and

sublords, a chart with exact birthtime is very important. As you know, I'm a

fan of Andrew's and he is able to use these finer points to help in

rectifying charts. As I have been away so much over this last year from the

computer, I have not been able to do more research and learning in this

although I'm looking forward to winter here for this. And I purposely have

focused for a couple years strongly on solely learning the basics more and

more strongly, as well as more and more significators.

//PPS: However please don't let me put you off in any way, dear

Patrice...what is comfortable for you is what's right for you :-))

 

My comfort zone (obviously) is along traditional lines. It seems to

me that the different approaches (systems) of astrology can be

likened to the many different approaches to religion...we're drawn to

different ones because we recognise some quality of our 'Self'

there...is this not so :-)//

 

This is a great analogy above with religions Wendy, and I'm drawn into your

thoughts here, and depth with respect to "...we're drawn to different ones

because we recognize some quality of our 'Self'" - Yes, I agree ;-)

 

For my own experience as far as KP, I will explain in a moment, but first

want to say - for anyone still reading ;-) - as well as to you, I am in

agreement with you Wendy, via my own experiences, in the huge importance of

learning traditional Jyotish, as well the importance of constant studying

all the basics very strongly, to gain a footing in reading charts. It is

confusing to know other systems techniques if you don't have the basics

strongly and understand what is considered traditional Jyotish, so not to

mix them inappropriately. This in itself takes a long time of studying and

discrimination. Also really one must read many, many charts. It's difficult

for many to put ourselves out there with mistakes in hand, but unless we

read the charts, and also perhaps write and communicate this, which is

another ability one must learn, we don't develop the clarity in doing

charts. Quite beautifully, this reading of charts seems to enliven in us our

relationship with our own personal Jyotir Vidya, our list namesake.

 

My own experience in coming to Jyotish itself, and my studies, and the

specific studies such as using KP, has been compassionately and graciously

guided, and beyond the intellect in describing the whys and hows of my

reasons, great draw, and direction to KP. I think your words above in using

the 'Self' is also probably a good definition of how this has taken place.

For the detailed medical astrology that interests me, these books and

techniques are very helpful, and I would say perhaps this is also something

of a past familiarity, natural draw, intuition, etc... Hopefully we follow

where God leads us and His purposes, and we are blessed and fortunate to

feel His Grace in guiding our lives. In this we follow our lives Truth, so

for one, it's important and natural to perhaps use techniques another would

not.

 

I deeply value tradition as you know Wendy, and wish no part in lending

confusion to others, but rather always pray and wish for the honesty and

clarity to follow my personal Jyotir Vidya... via God's grace.

 

I loved what you said below here regarding this wonderful act of creation

(from Rasi to Bhava), along with the RECreation fo the Grahas as a new

entity, being the crux of Vedic astrology. Quite beautiful Wendy!

 

All best wishes,

Patrice

 

______________________________

 

PS: Ahhh the penny has dropped! It was a bit early in the day when I

posed the (following) question...brain not fully awake, I'm afraid.

 

I Wrote:

//No doubt you have your reason for using Krisnamurti

ayanamsha...perhaps you can share this with us sometime.//

 

Krishnamurti ayanamsha is, of course, used in conjunction with the KP

system of astrology (devised by the late KP Krishnamurti). As I'm

sure members know, this system divides the houses into unequal

portions as per the Western Placidus House System. This, of course,

is a total deviation from the basic principle of Vedic astrology

which is based on the premise that, at the moment of birth, the

twelve signs of the zodiac (Rasis) manifest as the twelve

bhavas...meaning that the sign, the whole sign (not just a portion of

it) has BECOME a bhava.

 

This wonderful act of creation (from Rasi to Bhava), along with the

ReCreation of the Grahas as a new entity, is the crux of Vedic

astrology. Whereas the division of signs into unequal houses is the

crux of Western astrology. Needless to say I'm not a supporter of the

KP system.

______________________________

 

Dear Patrice,

 

//As you know I use Krisnamurti ayanamsa. This gives your current

dasas of

Sa/Ke/Sa/Sa. We can see this TKetu on your lagna with Saturn and the

difficult transit right now of Saturn/Mars in Cancer.//

 

As we can see the ayanamsha makes a huge difference. Using Lahiri

ayanamsha, Uttara is/was running the pratyantar dasa of 4th/7th lord

Jupiter. As we know Uttara is also facing difficulties in regards to

7th house matters and this of course can be seen with Rahu transiting

Jupiter in 7th whilst Jupiter transits 8th from 7th. Clearly too

Jupiter's lordship of 4th (breasts) has brought this diagnosis of

breast tumour.

 

No doubt you have your reason for using Krisnamurti

ayanamsha...perhaps you can share this with us sometime.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________