Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Pran, Namaskar Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn is retrograde, which will certainly modify the results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this area. The UL is also in Aquarius. Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This the 10th house also becomes troublesome. So all the points that you mentioned may not necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. Hopefully other members will add to this or correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. Best wishes, Samir At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: >, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > >Dear Vistiji, >Namaskaar. >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but >the one below is prominent. >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri >Saturn. >Pran Razdan > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth >will make > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its >rajasic > > traits. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > >[] On > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the >world > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > @ <%40> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, >it will > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital >life, etc. > > > If > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > > satisfaction, > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the >native > > > is > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that >planet is > > > afflicted... > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > [@ > > <%40> ] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > @ <%40> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always >helped > > > me > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each >factor you > > > explained to me. > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude >if 4th > > > lord > > > is in 12th house > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his >deeds...or > > > karma > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able >to be > > > satisfied. > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, >and the > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, >being > > > that > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases >and our > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the > > > fourth, > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due >to weak > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from > > > the > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the > > > twelfth > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > > > auspicious > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani > > > beeja > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om >Joom Sah, > > > and > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. >Hence: > > > Om > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, >recooperation, > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye > > > with > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar >the Great who said that the human stomach should >not become a graveyard for animals. >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Samir, Namaskar You got it... its Kalatra Shapa as Saturn and Rahu lord the fourth house, arudha lagna and upapada. Now try Jayendra Sarasvatis chart and try the same approach. Now you will realize how important curses are in the chart. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Samir Shah 02 July 2006 13:28 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction || hare räma kåñna || Dear Pran, Namaskar Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn is retrograde, which will certainly modify the results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this area. The UL is also in Aquarius. Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This the 10th house also becomes troublesome. So all the points that you mentioned may not necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. Hopefully other members will add to this or correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. Best wishes, Samir At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: >Dear Vistiji, Namaskaar. It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but the one below is prominent. Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri Saturn. Pran Razdan > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth will make > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its rajasic > traits. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > < http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > > *** > > _____ > > [ <> ] On > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Visti ji > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the world > safe for diversity. > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > com > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > @ < %40 <> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, it will > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital life, etc. > > If > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > satisfaction, > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the native > > is > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that planet is > > afflicted... > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda <http://srigaruda/> . < http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > com> http://srigaruda <http://srigaruda/> . > < http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > @ < %40 <> > > [@ > < <> %40> ] > > On > > Behalf Of Tarun > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > @ < %40 <> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always helped > > me > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each factor you > > explained to me. > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude if 4th > > lord > > is in 12th house > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his deeds...or > > karma > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able to be > > satisfied. > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, and the > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, being > > that > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases and our > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the > > fourth, > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due to weak > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from > > the > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the > > twelfth > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > > auspicious > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani > > beeja > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om Joom Sah, > > and > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. Hence: > > Om > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, recooperation, > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye > > with > > the help of Shiva. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda <http://srigaruda/> . < http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > com> http://srigaruda <http://srigaruda/> . > < http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear Visti Guruji, Namaskar, Sorry for interrupting th flow. Is that the case that his whole life curse acts on him?? Atleast at some instance there must not the operational dasa , the curse giver dasa should be seen for this?? As I have Pitri Shapa pointed by you hence my frustation and failure. So MOOLA dasa of Rahu may be bad?? Jayendra Saraswathi cahrt is now very imp chart to study curse. Thanks in advance, Regards, JL Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Samir, Namaskar You got it... its Kalatra Shapa as Saturn and Rahu lord the fourth house, arudha lagna and upapada. Now try Jayendra Sarasvatis chart and try the same approach. Now you will realize how important curses are in the chart. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of Samir Shah 02 July 2006 13:28 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction || hare räma kåñna || Dear Pran, Namaskar Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn is retrograde, which will certainly modify the results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this area. The UL is also in Aquarius. Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This the 10th house also becomes troublesome. So all the points that you mentioned may not necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. Hopefully other members will add to this or correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. Best wishes, Samir At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: >Dear Vistiji, Namaskaar. It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but the one below is prominent. Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri Saturn. Pran Razdan > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth will make > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its rajasic > traits. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > < http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > On > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Visti ji > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the world > safe for diversity. > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > @ < %40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, it will > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital life, etc. > > If > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > satisfaction, > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the native > > is > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that planet is > > afflicted... > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > < http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > @ < %40> > [@ > < %40> ] > > On > > Behalf Of Tarun > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > @ < %40> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always helped > > me > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each factor you > > explained to me. > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude if 4th > > lord > > is in 12th house > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his deeds...or > > karma > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able to be > > satisfied. > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, and the > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, being > > that > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases and our > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the > > fourth, > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due to weak > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from > > the > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the > > twelfth > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > > auspicious > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani > > beeja > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om Joom Sah, > > and > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. Hence: > > Om > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, recooperation, > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye > > with > > the help of Shiva. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > < http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. 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Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Guruji, Pranaam Let me try and apply this to Jayendra Saraswati's chart... There is a strong kalatra shaapa in the 8th house caused by Rahu and lagnesha Saturn. Both Saturn and Rahu are causing Ari and Naaga bandhana - thus able to cause imprisonment, and Saturn is retrograde meaning the curse will not be avoided. Saturn is lagnesh so the effect will be felt on name and fame - in this case giving lots of negative publicity. Rahu is aspecting the AL causing the scandal from which everything arose. Is this the right track? What I am not sure about is the Moola Dasa - he was imprisoned during Jupiter-Saturn dasa... how is Jupiter involved? Thank you, Samir At 14:33 02/07/2006, you wrote: >||Hare Rama Krsna|| >Dear Samir, Namaskar >You got it... its Kalatra Shapa as Saturn and >Rahu lord the fourth house, arudha lagna and >upapada. Now try Jayendra Sarasvatis chart and try the same approach. >Now you will realize how important curses are in the chart. >Best wishes, >*** >Visti Larsen >For services and articles visit: ><http://srigaruda.com>http://srigaruda.com >*** > >---------- > >[] On Behalf Of Samir Shah >02 July 2006 13:28 > >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > >|| hare räma kåñna || > >Dear Pran, Namaskar > >Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn >is retrograde, which will certainly modify the >results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh >is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong >Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra >yoga. Since Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords >the 4th house, it is no doubt going to cause >some shocks in this area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > >Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun >lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This >the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > >So all the points that you mentioned may not >necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > >Hopefully other members will add to this or >correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > >Best wishes, > >Samir > > >At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: >>, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: >> >Dear Vistiji, >>Namaskaar. >>It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures >>say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, >>why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and >>libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the >>principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but >>the one below is prominent. >>Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 >>The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in >>debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri >>Saturn. >>Pran Razdan >> >> > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> > >> > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar >> > >> > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth >> > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased >> > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth >>will make >> > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its >>rajasic >> > traits. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > *** >> > >> > Visti Larsen >> > >> > For services and articles visit: >> > >> > < http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com >> > >> > *** >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > >> On >> > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang >> > 27 June 2006 20:07 >> > >> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear Visti ji >> > >> > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th >> > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? >> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang >> > >> > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the >>world >> > safe for diversity. >> > >> > > >> > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com> com >> > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 >> > > @ < %40> >> >> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >> > > >> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> > > >> > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar >> > > >> > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, >>it will >> > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital >>life, etc. >> > > If >> > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental >> > > satisfaction, >> > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the >>native >> > > is >> > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that >>planet is >> > > afflicted... >> > > >> > > Best wishes, >> > > >> > > *** >> > > >> > > Visti Larsen >> > > >> > > For services and articles visit: >> > > >> > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. >> > < http://srigaruda.com> com >> > > >> > > *** >> > > >> > > _____ >> > > >> > > @ < %40> >> > [@ >> > < %40> ] >> > > On >> > > Behalf Of Tarun >> > > 27 June 2006 18:02 >> > > @ < %40> >> >> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Dear Visti ji, >> > > >> > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always >>helped >> > > me >> > > to understand the depth of astrology. >> > > >> > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each >>factor you >> > > explained to me. >> > > >> > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude >>if 4th >> > > lord >> > > is in 12th house >> > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his >>deeds...or >> > > karma >> > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able >>to be >> > > satisfied. >> > > >> > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves >> > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. >> > > >> > > Thanks and best Regards >> > > >> > > Tarun >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Visti Larsen wrote: >> > > >> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> > > >> > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar >> > > >> > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; >> > > >> > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, >>and the >> > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, >>being >> > > that >> > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. >> > > >> > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases >>and our >> > > mental satisfaction also. >> > > >> > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the >> > > fourth, >> > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due >>to weak >> > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. >> > > >> > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from >> > > the >> > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the >> > > twelfth >> > > are vital for the recooperation process. >> > > >> > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house >> > > auspicious >> > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani >> > > beeja >> > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om >>Joom Sah, >> > > and >> > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. >>Hence: >> > > Om >> > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, >>recooperation, >> > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye >> > > with >> > > the help of Shiva. >> > > >> > > I hope this helps. >> > > >> > > Best wishes, >> > > >> > > *** >> > > >> > > Visti Larsen >> > > >> > > For services and articles visit: >> > > >> > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. >> > < http://srigaruda.com> com >> > > >> > > *** >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _____ >> > > >> > > >> > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>~ om tat sat ~ >>Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >>Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >>(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar >>the Great who said that the human stomach >>should not become a graveyard for animals. >>(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > Dear Samir, Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in 4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar chart has been given by Kumar. The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter is obviously weak and cannot help. So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot mention anything about it. Regards Pran Razdan > || hare r�ma k��na || > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > >Dear Vistiji, > >Namaskaar. > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but > >the one below is prominent. > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri > >Saturn. > >Pran Razdan > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth > >will make > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its > >rajasic > > > traits. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > >[] On > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the > >world > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, > >it will > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > >life, etc. > > > > If > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > > > satisfaction, > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the > >native > > > > is > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that > >planet is > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ > > > <%40> ] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always > >helped > > > > me > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > >factor you > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude > >if 4th > > > > lord > > > > is in 12th house > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > >deeds...or > > > > karma > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able > >to be > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, > >and the > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, > >being > > > > that > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases > >and our > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the > > > > fourth, > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due > >to weak > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from > > > > the > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the > > > > twelfth > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > > > > auspicious > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani > > > > beeja > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > >Joom Sah, > > > > and > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. > >Hence: > > > > Om > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > >recooperation, > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye > > > > with > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > >not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Pran, Namaskar I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji pointed out, that when curses exist, and especially in this case when the Lagnesh is involved and it is in the 8th house, this will tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| which translates to: For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. Best wishes, Samir At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > > >Dear Samir, >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar >chart has been given by Kumar. >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter >is obviously weak and cannot help. > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot >mention anything about it. >Regards >Pran Razdan > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > >Dear Vistiji, > > >Namaskaar. > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but > > >the one below is prominent. > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri > > >Saturn. > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in >fourth > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth > > >will make > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its > > >rajasic > > > > traits. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > >[] On > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter >exalted in 4th > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the > > >world > > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, > > >it will > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > > >life, etc. > > > > > If > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > > > > satisfaction, > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the > > >native > > > > > is > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that > > >planet is > > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > [@ > > > > <%40> ] > > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always > > >helped > > > > > me > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > > >factor you > > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude > > >if 4th > > > > > lord > > > > > is in 12th house > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > > >deeds...or > > > > > karma > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able > > >to be > > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he >achieves > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, > > >and the > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, > > >being > > > > > that > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases > > >and our > > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth >from the > > > > > fourth, > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due > > >to weak > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is >seen from > > > > > the > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed >in the > > > > > twelfth > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > > > > > auspicious > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the >sanjivani > > > > > beeja > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > > >Joom Sah, > > > > > and > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. > > >Hence: > > > > > Om > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > > >recooperation, > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the >third eye > > > > > with > > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart >reading today > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Dear Samir, Namaskar. I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of which spring up in this field from new gurus. I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For details please read Laghu Parashari. Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. Regards, Pran Razdan , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > pointed out, that when curses exist, and > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > > which translates to: > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > >Dear Samir, > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar > >chart has been given by Kumar. > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter > >is obviously weak and cannot help. > > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. > > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot > >mention anything about it. > >Regards > >Pran Razdan > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > > > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > >Dear Vistiji, > > > >Namaskaar. > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but > > > >the one below is prominent. > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri > > > >Saturn. > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in > >fourth > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth > > > >will make > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its > > > >rajasic > > > > > traits. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[] On > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter > >exalted in 4th > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the > > > >world > > > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, > > > >it will > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > > > >life, etc. > > > > > > If > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > > > > > satisfaction, > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the > > > >native > > > > > > is > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that > > > >planet is > > > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > [@ > > > > > <%40> ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always > > > >helped > > > > > > me > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > > > >factor you > > > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude > > > >if 4th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > is in 12th house > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > > > >deeds...or > > > > > > karma > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able > > > >to be > > > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he > >achieves > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, > > > >and the > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, > > > >being > > > > > > that > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases > > > >and our > > > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth > >from the > > > > > > fourth, > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due > > > >to weak > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is > >seen from > > > > > > the > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed > >in the > > > > > > twelfth > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the > >sanjivani > > > > > > beeja > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > > > >Joom Sah, > > > > > > and > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. > > > >Hence: > > > > > > Om > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > > > >recooperation, > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the > >third eye > > > > > > with > > > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > >reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Dear Pran, Rahu when placed in kendra/trikona with any kendra/trikona lords always gives best time during their Dasas/Bhuktis, especially in this case where Rahu is posited in Moolatrikona. Hope this helps. Regards, Ravi Nair Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote: || hare räma kåñna || Dear Pran, Namaskar I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji pointed out, that when curses exist, and especially in this case when the Lagnesh is involved and it is in the 8th house, this will tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| which translates to: For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. Best wishes, Samir At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > Dear Samir, Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in 4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar chart has been given by Kumar. The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter is obviously weak and cannot help. So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot mention anything about it. Regards Pran Razdan > || hare r�ma k��na || > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > >Dear Vistiji, > >Namaskaar. > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but > >the one below is prominent. > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri > >Saturn. > >Pran Razdan > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth > >will make > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its > >rajasic > > > traits. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > < http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > On > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the > >world > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > @ < %40> > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, > >it will > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > >life, etc. > > > > If > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > > > satisfaction, > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the > >native > > > > is > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that > >planet is > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > < http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ < %40> > > > [@ > > > < %40> ] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > @ < %40> > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always > >helped > > > > me > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > >factor you > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude > >if 4th > > > > lord > > > > is in 12th house > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > >deeds...or > > > > karma > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able > >to be > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, > >and the > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, > >being > > > > that > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases > >and our > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the > > > > fourth, > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due > >to weak > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from > > > > the > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the > > > > twelfth > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > > > > auspicious > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani > > > > beeja > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > >Joom Sah, > > > > and > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. > >Hence: > > > > Om > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > >recooperation, > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye > > > > with > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > < http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > >not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Absolutely right Ravi. Pran , "A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club wrote: > > Dear Pran, > > Rahu when placed in kendra/trikona with any kendra/trikona lords always gives best time during their Dasas/Bhuktis, especially in this case where Rahu is posited in Moolatrikona. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Ravi Nair > > > > > Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > || hare r�ma k��na || > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji pointed out, that when curses exist, and especially in this case when the Lagnesh is involved and it is in the 8th house, this will tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > > which translates to: > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > Dear Samir, > Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is > fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career > problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in > 4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar > chart has been given by Kumar. > The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the > best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and > several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the > chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter > is obviously weak and cannot help. > > So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously > it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. > > I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot > mention anything about it. > Regards > Pran Razdan > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > >Dear Vistiji, > > >Namaskaar. > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but > > >the one below is prominent. > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri > > >Saturn. > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in > fourth > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth > > >will make > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its > > >rajasic > > > > traits. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > < http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter > exalted in 4th > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the > > >world > > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > > @ < %40> > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, > > >it will > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > > >life, etc. > > > > > If > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > > > > satisfaction, > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the > > >native > > > > > is > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that > > >planet is > > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > > < http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > @ < %40> > > > > [@ > > > > < %40> ] > > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > > @ < %40> > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always > > >helped > > > > > me > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > > >factor you > > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude > > >if 4th > > > > > lord > > > > > is in 12th house > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > > >deeds...or > > > > > karma > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able > > >to be > > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he > achieves > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, > > >and the > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, > > >being > > > > > that > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases > > >and our > > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth > from the > > > > > fourth, > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due > > >to weak > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is > seen from > > > > > the > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed > in the > > > > > twelfth > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > > > > > auspicious > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the > sanjivani > > > > > beeja > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > > >Joom Sah, > > > > > and > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. > > >Hence: > > > > > Om > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > > >recooperation, > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the > third eye > > > > > with > > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > > > > < http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 - Dear Vistiji, Sir, please I have one question. You said that the fifth house shows the future, and the ninth house shows the past. But what would it mean if for virgo ascendent saturn is in the 12th house and jupiter is in the 4th house? Does that mean person won't get good sleep but would still be satisfied and happy. Thanks. Regards, Nutan -- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > The fifth house shows the future, and the ninth house shows the past. So the > future of happiness (fourth house) is good health and longevity (eighth > house). Similarly the future of disease (eighth house) is hospitalization > and recovery (twelfth house). > > Malefics placed in the fifth/ninth houses cause problems to the house, > especially if there is bad friendship between the planets. > > Example: Saturn in the eighth house gives long life and good health, but if > Mars is in the twelfth house then doctors involvement or accidents during > sleeping/recovery will damage the health and happiness. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Tarun > 27 June 2006 19:02 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > Namaskar, > > I understand the things very clearly. > > Sir please dont mind but just one more question is coming in my mind. > > You said that""Should our happiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth > from the fourth,"" > Sir i guess 5th house in argala is auspicious kind of combination. > > sir if a planet is in 5th house to its own house or in argala should we see > suffering related to that. > > Thanks and Best Regards > Tarun > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, it will > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital life, etc. If > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental satisfaction, > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the native is > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that planet is > afflicted... > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Tarun > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always helped me > to understand the depth of astrology. > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each factor you > explained to me. > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude if 4th lord > is in 12th house > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his deeds...or > karma > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able to be > satisfied. > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > Thanks and best Regards > > Tarun > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, and the > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, being that > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases and our > mental satisfaction also. > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the fourth, > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due to weak > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from the > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the twelfth > are vital for the recooperation process. > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house auspicious > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani beeja > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om Joom Sah, and > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. Hence: Om > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, recooperation, > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye with > the help of Shiva. > > I hope this helps. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Pran, Namaskar Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was agreeing with you. As regards what the effects are, I freely admit that I am a student and in the process of learning - and in that capacity I am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I knew - and suggesting that the effects you mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked to another aspect of the chart. I do not agree that retrogression simply increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that. Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara makes many statements in many chapters that are equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. Best wishes, Samir At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For >details please read Laghu Parashari. > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. >Regards, >Pran Razdan > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > > pointed out, that when curses exist, and > > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. > > > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > > > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > > > > which translates to: > > > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > > > >Dear Samir, > > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is > > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career > > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in > > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar > > >chart has been given by Kumar. > > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the > > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and > > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the > > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter > > >is obviously weak and cannot help. > > > > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously > > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. > > > > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot > > >mention anything about it. > > >Regards > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > > > > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > > > > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > > > > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > > > > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > > >Dear Vistiji, > > > > >Namaskaar. > > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all >scriptures > > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, > > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and > > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It >looks the > > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several >charts but > > > > >the one below is prominent. > > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, >deep in > > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the >swakhetri > > > > >Saturn. > > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in > > >fourth > > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in >fourth > > > > >will make > > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due >to its > > > > >rajasic > > > > > > traits. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter > > >exalted in 4th > > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help >make the > > > > >world > > > > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the >twelfth, > > > > >it will > > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > > > > >life, etc. > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > > > > > > satisfaction, > > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes >as the > > > > >native > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if >that > > > > >planet is > > > > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> >http://srigaruda. > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > [@ > > > > > > <%40> ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance >always > > > > >helped > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > > > > >factor you > > > > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should >conclude > > > > >if 4th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is in 12th house > > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > > > > >deeds...or > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never >been able > > > > >to be > > > > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he > > >achieves > > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth >house, > > > > >and the > > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth >house, > > > > >being > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness >increases > > > > >and our > > > > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth > > >from the > > > > > > > fourth, > > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the >body due > > > > >to weak > > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is > > >seen from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed > > >in the > > > > > > > twelfth > > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth >house > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the > > >sanjivani > > > > > > > beeja > > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > > > > >Joom Sah, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva >beeja; haum. > > > > >Hence: > > > > > > > Om > > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > > > > >recooperation, > > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the > > >third eye > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> >http://srigaruda. > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > >reading today > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Samir ji I have not seen retrograde planet (or even debilitated) planet turning out to be malefic for the chart (if they are benefic for the lagna). Yes, retrogression brings different attributes of the concerned planet in forefront; and any a times, native fails to cope up to take the advantage. For example - retrograde mercury will help native in picking up the hidden meanings of symbols / signs / discussions and will have little different vision of the subject; and very often this confusion - might lead to wrong decisions. regards / Prafulla Gang We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams. > > solaris.smoke > Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:24:05 +0300 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > || hare räma kåñna || > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > the process of learning - and in that capacity I > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > knew - and suggesting that the effects you > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > to another aspect of the chart. > > I do not agree that retrogression simply > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that. > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > makes many statements in many chapters that are > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > >Dear Samir, Namaskar. >> > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of > >which spring up in this field from new gurus. >> > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. >> > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For > >details please read Laghu Parashari. >> > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > >Regards, > >Pran Razdan >> > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote: >>> >>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>> >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>> >>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in >>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji >>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and >>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is >>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will >>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned >>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact >>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. >>> >>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's >>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: >>> >>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | >>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| >>> >>> which translates to: >>> >>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn >>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Samir >>> >>> >>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: >>> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >Dear Samir, >>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is >>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career >>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in >>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar >>> >chart has been given by Kumar. >>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the >>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and >>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the >>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter >>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. >>>> >>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously >>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. >>>> >>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot >>> >mention anything about it. >>> >Regards >>> >Pran Razdan >>>> >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>>>> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>>>> >>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn >>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the >>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh >>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong >>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since >>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, >>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this >>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. >>>>> >>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun >>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This >>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. >>>>> >>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not >>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or >>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> Samir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: >>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: >>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, >>>>> >Namaskaar. >>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all > >scriptures >>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, >>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and >>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It > >looks the >>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several > >charts but >>>>> >the one below is prominent. >>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 >>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, > >deep in >>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the > >swakhetri >>>>> >Saturn. >>>>> >Pran Razdan >>>>>> >>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in >>> >fourth >>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased >>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in > >fourth >>>>> >will make >>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due > >to its >>>>> >rajasic >>>>>>> traits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >[] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Visti ji >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter >>> >exalted in 4th >>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help > >make the >>>>> >world >>>>>>> safe for diversity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 >>>>>>>> @ <%40> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the > >twelfth, >>>>> >it will >>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital >>>>> >life, etc. >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental >>>>>>>> satisfaction, >>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes > >as the >>>>> >native >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if > >that >>>>> >planet is >>>>>>>> afflicted... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >http://srigaruda. >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @ <%40> >>>>>>> [@ >>>>>>> <%40> ] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun >>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 >>>>>>>> @ <%40> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance > >always >>>>> >helped >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each >>>>> >factor you >>>>>>>> explained to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should > >conclude >>>>> >if 4th >>>>>>>> lord >>>>>>>> is in 12th house >>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his >>>>> >deeds...or >>>>>>>> karma >>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never > >been able >>>>> >to be >>>>>>>> satisfied. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he >>> >achieves >>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tarun >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth > >house, >>>>> >and the >>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth > >house, >>>>> >being >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness > >increases >>>>> >and our >>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth >>> >from the >>>>>>>> fourth, >>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the > >body due >>>>> >to weak >>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is >>> >seen from >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed >>> >in the >>>>>>>> twelfth >>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth > >house >>>>>>>> auspicious >>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the >>> >sanjivani >>>>>>>> beeja >>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om >>>>> >Joom Sah, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva > >beeja; haum. >>>>> >Hence: >>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, >>>>> >recooperation, >>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the >>> >third eye >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >http://srigaruda. >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ >>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar >>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should >>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. >>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart >>> >reading today >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 vyam vyasadevaya namah Dear Prafulla, Retrogression is denial and strong iccha-sakti. One is very determined and denial make him even more determined. This is right approach. Jupiter debiliated in fifth and Vakra can make one schizophrenic (example in VRA). Regards Rafal Gendarz - Prafulla Gang Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:38 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction Dear Samir ji I have not seen retrograde planet (or even debilitated) planet turning out to be malefic for the chart (if they are benefic for the lagna). Yes, retrogression brings different attributes of the concerned planet in forefront; and any a times, native fails to cope up to take the advantage. For example - retrograde mercury will help native in picking up the hidden meanings of symbols / signs / discussions and will have little different vision of the subject; and very often this confusion - might lead to wrong decisions. regards / Prafulla Gang We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called memories.. Some take us forward, they're called dreams. > > solaris.smoke > Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:24:05 +0300 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > || hare räma kåñna || > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > the process of learning - and in that capacity I > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > knew - and suggesting that the effects you > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > to another aspect of the chart. > > I do not agree that retrogression simply > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that. > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > makes many statements in many chapters that are > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > >Dear Samir, Namaskar. >> > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of > >which spring up in this field from new gurus. >> > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. >> > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For > >details please read Laghu Parashari. >> > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > >Regards, > >Pran Razdan >> > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote: >>> >>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>> >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>> >>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in >>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji >>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and >>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is >>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will >>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned >>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact >>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. >>> >>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's >>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: >>> >>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | >>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| >>> >>> which translates to: >>> >>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn >>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Samir >>> >>> >>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: >>> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >Dear Samir, >>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is >>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career >>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in >>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar >>> >chart has been given by Kumar. >>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the >>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and >>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the >>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter >>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. >>>> >>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously >>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. >>>> >>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot >>> >mention anything about it. >>> >Regards >>> >Pran Razdan >>>> >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>>>> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>>>> >>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn >>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the >>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh >>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong >>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since >>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, >>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this >>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. >>>>> >>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun >>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This >>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. >>>>> >>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not >>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or >>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> Samir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: >>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: >>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, >>>>> >Namaskaar. >>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all > >scriptures >>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, >>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and >>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It > >looks the >>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several > >charts but >>>>> >the one below is prominent. >>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 >>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, > >deep in >>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the > >swakhetri >>>>> >Saturn. >>>>> >Pran Razdan >>>>>> >>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in >>> >fourth >>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased >>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in > >fourth >>>>> >will make >>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due > >to its >>>>> >rajasic >>>>>>> traits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >[] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Visti ji >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter >>> >exalted in 4th >>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help > >make the >>>>> >world >>>>>>> safe for diversity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 >>>>>>>> @ <%40> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the > >twelfth, >>>>> >it will >>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital >>>>> >life, etc. >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental >>>>>>>> satisfaction, >>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes > >as the >>>>> >native >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if > >that >>>>> >planet is >>>>>>>> afflicted... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >http://srigaruda. >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @ <%40> >>>>>>> [@ >>>>>>> <%40> ] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun >>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 >>>>>>>> @ <%40> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance > >always >>>>> >helped >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each >>>>> >factor you >>>>>>>> explained to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should > >conclude >>>>> >if 4th >>>>>>>> lord >>>>>>>> is in 12th house >>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his >>>>> >deeds...or >>>>>>>> karma >>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never > >been able >>>>> >to be >>>>>>>> satisfied. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he >>> >achieves >>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tarun >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth > >house, >>>>> >and the >>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth > >house, >>>>> >being >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness > >increases >>>>> >and our >>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth >>> >from the >>>>>>>> fourth, >>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the > >body due >>>>> >to weak >>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is >>> >seen from >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed >>> >in the >>>>>>>> twelfth >>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth > >house >>>>>>>> auspicious >>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the >>> >sanjivani >>>>>>>> beeja >>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om >>>>> >Joom Sah, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva > >beeja; haum. >>>>> >Hence: >>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, >>>>> >recooperation, >>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the >>> >third eye >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >http://srigaruda. >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ >>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar >>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should >>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. >>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart >>> >reading today >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Rafal ji But is this denial persist, or one get the results through his strong determination. regards / Prafulla Gang We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams. > > starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl > Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:50:21 +0200 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > vyam vyasadevaya namah > Dear Prafulla, > Retrogression is denial and strong iccha-sakti. One is very determined > and denial make him even more determined. This is right approach. > Jupiter debiliated in fifth and Vakra can make one schizophrenic (example > in VRA). > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > Prafulla Gang > > Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:38 AM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > Dear Samir ji > > I have not seen retrograde planet (or even debilitated) planet turning > out to be malefic for the chart (if they are benefic for the lagna). Yes, > retrogression brings different attributes of the concerned planet in > forefront; and any a times, native fails to cope up to take the > advantage. For example - retrograde mercury will help native in picking > up the hidden meanings of symbols / signs / discussions and will have > little different vision of the subject; and very often this confusion - > might lead to wrong decisions. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called > memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams. > > > > > solaris.smoke > > Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:24:05 +0300 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > > the process of learning - and in that capacity I > > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > > knew - and suggesting that the effects you > > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > > to another aspect of the chart. > > > > I do not agree that retrogression simply > > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that. > > > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > > makes many statements in many chapters that are > > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > > >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > >> > > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to > > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of > > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be > > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of > > >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > >> > > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one > > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general > reading > > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please > > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. > >> > > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka > you > > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures > > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general > > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For > > >details please read Laghu Parashari. > >> > > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression > > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are > > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the > > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > > >Regards, > > >Pran Razdan > >> > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > > wrote: > >>> > >>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>> > >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>> > >>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > >>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > >>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and > >>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > >>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > >>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > >>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > >>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise > produce. > >>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > >>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > >>> > >>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > >>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > >>> > >>> which translates to: > >>> > >>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > >>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > >>> > >>> Best wishes, > >>> > >>> Samir > >>> > >>> > >>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > >>> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>> >Dear Samir, > >>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is > >>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career > >>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong > sat in > >>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more > similar > >>> >chart has been given by Kumar. > >>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was > the > >>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and > >>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in > the > >>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. > Jupiter > >>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. > >>>> > >>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. > Obviously > >>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. > >>>> > >>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures > donot > >>> >mention anything about it. > >>> >Regards > >>> >Pran Razdan > >>>> > >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>> > >>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > >>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > >>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > >>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > >>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > >>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > >>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > >>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > >>>>> > >>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > >>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > >>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > >>>>> > >>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not > >>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or > >>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>> > >>>>> Samir > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > >>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> > wrote: > >>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, > >>>>> >Namaskaar. > >>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all > > >scriptures > >>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good > results, > >>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio > and > >>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It > > >looks the > >>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several > > >charts but > >>>>> >the one below is prominent. > >>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > >>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, > > >deep in > >>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the > > >swakhetri > >>>>> >Saturn. > >>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in > >>> >fourth > >>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes > increased > >>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in > > >fourth > >>>>> >will make > >>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due > > >to its > >>>>> >rajasic > >>>>>>> traits. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> >[] On > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Visti ji > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter > >>> >exalted in 4th > >>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help > > >make the > >>>>> >world > >>>>>>> safe for diversity. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > >>>>>>>> @ <%40> > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the > > >twelfth, > >>>>> >it will > >>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > >>>>> >life, etc. > >>>>>>>> If > >>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > >>>>>>>> satisfaction, > >>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes > > >as the > >>>>> >native > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if > > >that > >>>>> >planet is > >>>>>>>> afflicted... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > > >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> @ <%40> > >>>>>>> [@ > >>>>>>> <%40> ] > >>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun > >>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 > >>>>>>>> @ <%40> > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance > > >always > >>>>> >helped > >>>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > >>>>> >factor you > >>>>>>>> explained to me. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should > > >conclude > >>>>> >if 4th > >>>>>>>> lord > >>>>>>>> is in 12th house > >>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > >>>>> >deeds...or > >>>>>>>> karma > >>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never > > >been able > >>>>> >to be > >>>>>>>> satisfied. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he > >>> >achieves > >>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tarun > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth > > >house, > >>>>> >and the > >>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth > > >house, > >>>>> >being > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness > > >increases > >>>>> >and our > >>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth > >>> >from the > >>>>>>>> fourth, > >>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the > > >body due > >>>>> >to weak > >>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is > >>> >seen from > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed > >>> >in the > >>>>>>>> twelfth > >>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth > > >house > >>>>>>>> auspicious > >>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the > >>> >sanjivani > >>>>>>>> beeja > >>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > >>>>> >Joom Sah, > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva > > >beeja; haum. > >>>>> >Hence: > >>>>>>>> Om > >>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > >>>>> >recooperation, > >>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the > >>> >third eye > >>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I hope this helps. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > > >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ > >>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > >>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should > >>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. > >>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > >>> >reading today > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Prafulla, Yes, you are right. I have also observed in some charts that retrograde mercury in a bad house results in ADD (Attention deficit disorder). This however needs confirmation. Please keep this in mind. Pran , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Samir ji > > I have not seen retrograde planet (or even debilitated) planet turning out to be malefic for the chart (if they are benefic for the lagna). Yes, retrogression brings different attributes of the concerned planet in forefront; and any a times, native fails to cope up to take the advantage. For example - retrograde mercury will help native in picking up the hidden meanings of symbols / signs / discussions and will have little different vision of the subject; and very often this confusion - might lead to wrong decisions. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams. > > > > > > solaris.smoke > > Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:24:05 +0300 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > > the process of learning - and in that capacity I > > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > > knew - and suggesting that the effects you > > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > > to another aspect of the chart. > > > > I do not agree that retrogression simply > > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that. > > > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > > makes many statements in many chapters that are > > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > > >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > >> > > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to > > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of > > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be > > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of > > >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > >> > > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one > > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading > > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please > > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. > >> > > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you > > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures > > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general > > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For > > >details please read Laghu Parashari. > >> > > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression > > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are > > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the > > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > > >Regards, > > >Pran Razdan > >> > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>> > >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>> > >>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > >>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > >>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and > >>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > >>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > >>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > >>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > >>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. > >>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > >>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > >>> > >>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > >>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > >>> > >>> which translates to: > >>> > >>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > >>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > >>> > >>> Best wishes, > >>> > >>> Samir > >>> > >>> > >>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > >>> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>> >Dear Samir, > >>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is > >>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career > >>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in > >>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar > >>> >chart has been given by Kumar. > >>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the > >>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and > >>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the > >>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter > >>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. > >>>> > >>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously > >>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. > >>>> > >>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot > >>> >mention anything about it. > >>> >Regards > >>> >Pran Razdan > >>>> > >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>> > >>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > >>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > >>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > >>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > >>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > >>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > >>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > >>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > >>>>> > >>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > >>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > >>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > >>>>> > >>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not > >>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or > >>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>> > >>>>> Samir > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > >>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > >>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, > >>>>> >Namaskaar. > >>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all > > >scriptures > >>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, > >>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and > >>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It > > >looks the > >>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several > > >charts but > >>>>> >the one below is prominent. > >>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > >>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, > > >deep in > >>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the > > >swakhetri > >>>>> >Saturn. > >>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in > >>> >fourth > >>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > >>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in > > >fourth > >>>>> >will make > >>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due > > >to its > >>>>> >rajasic > >>>>>>> traits. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> >[] On > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Visti ji > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter > >>> >exalted in 4th > >>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help > > >make the > >>>>> >world > >>>>>>> safe for diversity. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > >>>>>>>> @ <%40> > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the > > >twelfth, > >>>>> >it will > >>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > >>>>> >life, etc. > >>>>>>>> If > >>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > >>>>>>>> satisfaction, > >>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes > > >as the > >>>>> >native > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if > > >that > >>>>> >planet is > >>>>>>>> afflicted... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > > >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> @ <%40> > >>>>>>> [@ > >>>>>>> <%40> ] > >>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun > >>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 > >>>>>>>> @ <%40> > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance > > >always > >>>>> >helped > >>>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > >>>>> >factor you > >>>>>>>> explained to me. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should > > >conclude > >>>>> >if 4th > >>>>>>>> lord > >>>>>>>> is in 12th house > >>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > >>>>> >deeds...or > >>>>>>>> karma > >>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never > > >been able > >>>>> >to be > >>>>>>>> satisfied. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he > >>> >achieves > >>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tarun > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth > > >house, > >>>>> >and the > >>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth > > >house, > >>>>> >being > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness > > >increases > >>>>> >and our > >>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth > >>> >from the > >>>>>>>> fourth, > >>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the > > >body due > >>>>> >to weak > >>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is > >>> >seen from > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed > >>> >in the > >>>>>>>> twelfth > >>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth > > >house > >>>>>>>> auspicious > >>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the > >>> >sanjivani > >>>>>>>> beeja > >>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > >>>>> >Joom Sah, > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva > > >beeja; haum. > >>>>> >Hence: > >>>>>>>> Om > >>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > >>>>> >recooperation, > >>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the > >>> >third eye > >>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I hope this helps. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > > >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ > >>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > >>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should > >>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. > >>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > >>> >reading today > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 vyam vyasadevaya namah Dear Nutan, Sani in simha vyaya bhava for kanya lagna can give some problem with sleeping and generally quality of behaving resting in personality (charming, virtous and well-mannered - Parasara(Miscelaneous Yogas chapter) on subhakartari yoga on Lagna) but for serious affliction it must be aspected by malefics.. Here the Jupiter as kendra lord aspects kona lord sani so it is good situation (only from this partial perspective). Jupiter in forth will give hapiness, nice friend, good youth and of course all glorified consequences of hamsa mahapurus yoga..which will take the dark force of badhak away. regards Rafal Gendarz - nutan2510 Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:15 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction - Dear Vistiji, Sir, please I have one question. You said that the fifth house shows the future, and the ninth house shows the past. But what would it mean if for virgo ascendent saturn is in the 12th house and jupiter is in the 4th house? Does that mean person won't get good sleep but would still be satisfied and happy. Thanks. Regards, Nutan -- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > The fifth house shows the future, and the ninth house shows the past. So the > future of happiness (fourth house) is good health and longevity (eighth > house). Similarly the future of disease (eighth house) is hospitalization > and recovery (twelfth house). > > Malefics placed in the fifth/ninth houses cause problems to the house, > especially if there is bad friendship between the planets. > > Example: Saturn in the eighth house gives long life and good health, but if > Mars is in the twelfth house then doctors involvement or accidents during > sleeping/recovery will damage the health and happiness. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Tarun > 27 June 2006 19:02 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > Namaskar, > > I understand the things very clearly. > > Sir please dont mind but just one more question is coming in my mind. > > You said that""Should our happiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth > from the fourth,"" > Sir i guess 5th house in argala is auspicious kind of combination. > > sir if a planet is in 5th house to its own house or in argala should we see > suffering related to that. > > Thanks and Best Regards > Tarun > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, it will > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital life, etc. If > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental satisfaction, > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the native is > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that planet is > afflicted... > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Tarun > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always helped me > to understand the depth of astrology. > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each factor you > explained to me. > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude if 4th lord > is in 12th house > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his deeds...or > karma > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able to be > satisfied. > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > Thanks and best Regards > > Tarun > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, and the > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, being that > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases and our > mental satisfaction also. > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the fourth, > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due to weak > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from the > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the twelfth > are vital for the recooperation process. > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house auspicious > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani beeja > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om Joom Sah, and > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. Hence: Om > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, recooperation, > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye with > the help of Shiva. > > I hope this helps. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Thanks Rafalji. Regards, Nutan -- In , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > vyam vyasadevaya namah > Dear Nutan, > > Sani in simha vyaya bhava for kanya lagna can give some problem with sleeping and generally quality of behaving resting in personality (charming, virtous and well-mannered - Parasara(Miscelaneous Yogas chapter) on subhakartari yoga on Lagna) but for serious affliction it must be aspected by malefics. Here the Jupiter as kendra lord aspects kona lord sani so it is good situation (only from this partial perspective). Jupiter in forth will give hapiness, nice friend, good youth and of course all glorified consequences of hamsa mahapurus yoga..which will take the dark force of badhak away. > regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > nutan2510 > > Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:15 AM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > - > Dear Vistiji, > > Sir, please I have one question. You said that the fifth house shows > the future, and the ninth house shows the past. But what would it mean > if for virgo ascendent saturn is in the 12th house and jupiter is in > the 4th house? Does that mean person won't get good sleep but would > still be satisfied and happy. > > Thanks. > Regards, > > Nutan > > -- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > The fifth house shows the future, and the ninth house shows the > past. So the > > future of happiness (fourth house) is good health and longevity (eighth > > house). Similarly the future of disease (eighth house) is > hospitalization > > and recovery (twelfth house). > > > > Malefics placed in the fifth/ninth houses cause problems to the house, > > especially if there is bad friendship between the planets. > > > > Example: Saturn in the eighth house gives long life and good health, > but if > > Mars is in the twelfth house then doctors involvement or accidents > during > > sleeping/recovery will damage the health and happiness. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Tarun > > 27 June 2006 19:02 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > I understand the things very clearly. > > > > Sir please dont mind but just one more question is coming in my mind. > > > > You said that""Should our happiness suffer the eighth house being > the fifth > > from the fourth,"" > > Sir i guess 5th house in argala is auspicious kind of combination. > > > > sir if a planet is in 5th house to its own house or in argala should > we see > > suffering related to that. > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > Tarun > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, it will > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital life, > etc. If > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > satisfaction, > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the > native is > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that > planet is > > afflicted... > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Tarun > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always > helped me > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each factor you > > explained to me. > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude if > 4th lord > > is in 12th house > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his deeds...or > > karma > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able to be > > satisfied. > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, and the > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house, > being that > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases > and our > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the > fourth, > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due to > weak > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen > from the > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the > twelfth > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house > auspicious > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the > sanjivani beeja > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om Joom > Sah, and > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum. > Hence: Om > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, recooperation, > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third > eye with > > the help of Shiva. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Dear Samir, It is alright if it was a typo. I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house giving them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the question I had raised in my earlier mail to Visti. In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the general unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says Saturn's aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case of Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here. Regards Pran Razdan , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > the process of learning - and in that capacity I > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > knew - and suggesting that the effects you > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > to another aspect of the chart. > > I do not agree that retrogression simply > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that. > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > makes many statements in many chapters that are > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > > > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of > >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > > > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. > > > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For > >details please read Laghu Parashari. > > > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > >Regards, > >Pran Razdan > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > > > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > > > pointed out, that when curses exist, and > > > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > > > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > > > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > > > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > > > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce. > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > > > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > > > > > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > > > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > > > > > > which translates to: > > > > > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > > > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Samir, > > > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is > > > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career > > > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in > > > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar > > > >chart has been given by Kumar. > > > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the > > > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and > > > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the > > > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter > > > >is obviously weak and cannot help. > > > > > > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously > > > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. > > > > > > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot > > > >mention anything about it. > > > >Regards > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > > > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > > > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > > > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > > > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > > > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > > > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > > > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > > > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > > > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > > > > > > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > > > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > > > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > > > > > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > >Dear Vistiji, > > > > > >Namaskaar. > > > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all > >scriptures > > > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results, > > > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and > > > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It > >looks the > > > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several > >charts but > > > > > >the one below is prominent. > > > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > > > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, > >deep in > > > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the > >swakhetri > > > > > >Saturn. > > > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in > > > >fourth > > > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased > > > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in > >fourth > > > > > >will make > > > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due > >to its > > > > > >rajasic > > > > > > > traits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter > > > >exalted in 4th > > > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help > >make the > > > > > >world > > > > > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the > >twelfth, > > > > > >it will > > > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital > > > > > >life, etc. > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental > > > > > > > > satisfaction, > > > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes > >as the > > > > > >native > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if > >that > > > > > >planet is > > > > > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >http://srigaruda. > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > [@ > > > > > > > <%40> ] > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance > >always > > > > > >helped > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each > > > > > >factor you > > > > > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should > >conclude > > > > > >if 4th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is in 12th house > > > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his > > > > > >deeds...or > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never > >been able > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he > > > >achieves > > > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth > >house, > > > > > >and the > > > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth > >house, > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness > >increases > > > > > >and our > > > > > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth > > > >from the > > > > > > > > fourth, > > > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the > >body due > > > > > >to weak > > > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is > > > >seen from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed > > > >in the > > > > > > > > twelfth > > > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth > >house > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the > > > >sanjivani > > > > > > > > beeja > > > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om > > > > > >Joom Sah, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva > >beeja; haum. > > > > > >Hence: > > > > > > > > Om > > > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > > > > > >recooperation, > > > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the > > > >third eye > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >http://srigaruda. > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > > >reading today > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness. Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the fourth house will make the person very melancholic! regards Aru , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote: > > Dear Samir, > It is alright if it was a typo. > I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house giving > them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the question I > had raised in my earlier mail to Visti. > In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn > which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the general > unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says Saturn's > aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case of > Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here. > Regards > Pran Razdan > > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > > the process of learning - and in that capacity I > > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > > knew - and suggesting that the effects you > > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > > to another aspect of the chart. > > > > I do not agree that retrogression simply > > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that. > > > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > > makes many statements in many chapters that are > > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > > >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > > > > > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to > > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of > > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be > > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of > > >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > > > > > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one > > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading > > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please > > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. > > > > > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you > > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures > > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general > > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For > > >details please read Laghu Parashari. > > > > > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression > > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are > > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the > > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > > >Regards, > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > > > > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > > > > pointed out, that when curses exist, and > > > > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > > > > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > > > > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > > > > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > > > > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise > produce. > > > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > > > > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > > > > > > > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > > > > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > > > > > > > > which translates to: > > > > > > > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > > > > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > > > > >, Samir Shah > <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Samir, > > > > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is > > > > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career > > > > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong > sat in > > > > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar > > > > >chart has been given by Kumar. > > > > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa > was the > > > > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and > > > > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the > > > > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. > Jupiter > > > > >is obviously weak and cannot help. > > > > > > > > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. > Obviously > > > > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything. > > > > > > > > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures > donot > > > > >mention anything about it. > > > > >Regards > > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > > > > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > > > > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > > > > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > > > > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > > > > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > > > > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > > > > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > > > > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > > > > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > > > > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > > > > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > >, "Visti Larsen" > <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > > >Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > >Namaskaar. > > > > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all > > >scriptures > > > > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good > results, > > > > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in > Scorpio and > > > > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It > > >looks the > > > > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several > > >charts but > > > > > > >the one below is prominent. > > > > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > > > > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, > > >deep in > > > > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the > > >swakhetri > > > > > > >Saturn. > > > > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth > lord in > > > > >fourth > > > > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes > increased > > > > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in > > >fourth > > > > > > >will make > > > > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due > > >to its > > > > > > >rajasic > > > > > > > > traits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter > > > > >exalted in 4th > > > > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha > chart)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help > > >make the > > > > > > >world > > > > > > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% 40srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > > > > > > @ <% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the > > >twelfth, > > > > > > >it will > > > > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy > marital > > > > > > >life, etc. > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures > mental > > > > > > > > > satisfaction, > > > > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes > > >as the > > > > > > >native > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if > > >that > > > > > > >planet is > > > > > > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > > >http://srigaruda. > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > <%40> > > > > > > > > [@ > > > > > > > > <%40> ] > > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > > > > > > @ <% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance > > >always > > > > > > >helped > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can > understand each > > > > > > >factor you > > > > > > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should > > >conclude > > > > > > >if 4th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > is in 12th house > > > > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with > all his > > > > > > >deeds...or > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never > > >been able > > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with > whatever he > > > > >achieves > > > > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth > > >house, > > > > > > >and the > > > > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth > > >house, > > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness > > >increases > > > > > > >and our > > > > > > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the > fifth > > > > >from the > > > > > > > > > fourth, > > > > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the > > >body due > > > > > > >to weak > > > > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and > this is > > > > >seen from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets > placed > > > > >in the > > > > > > > > > twelfth > > > > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth > > >house > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate > on the > > > > >sanjivani > > > > > > > > > beeja > > > > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola > mantra: Om > > > > > > >Joom Sah, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva > > >beeja; haum. > > > > > > >Hence: > > > > > > > > > Om > > > > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, > > > > > > >recooperation, > > > > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally > opening the > > > > >third eye > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > > >http://srigaruda. > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > Krishna' > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > > > >reading today > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear Arvinda ji I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th lord in lagna. It makes the native focussing on domestic issues. How about kumbha lagna shani in 4th house? Will the shani (though natural malefic planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) deny domestic comforts and happiness. Here shani will aspect the lagna as well !! regards / Prafulla Gang Let not the sands of time get in your lunch. > > aru_dulla > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness. > Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness > in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a > way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the > perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna > or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always > be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the > fourth house will make the person very melancholic! > > regards > Aru > > > > , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote: >> >> Dear Samir, >> It is alright if it was a typo. >> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house > giving >> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the > question I >> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti. >> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn >> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the > general >> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says > Saturn's >> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case > of >> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here. >> Regards >> Pran Razdan >> >> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > wrote: >>> >>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>> >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>> >>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly >>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was >>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects >>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in >>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I >>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I >>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you >>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked >>> to another aspect of the chart. >>> >>> I do not agree that retrogression simply >>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS >>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can >>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than > that. >>> >>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the >>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we >>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara >>> makes many statements in many chapters that are >>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Samir >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: >>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar. >>>> >>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished > to >>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years > of >>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can > be >>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, > many of >>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus. >>>> >>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not > one >>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general > reading >>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer >>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer > please >>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of >>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. >>>> >>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the > shaloka you >>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some > scriptures >>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a > general >>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. > For >>> >details please read Laghu Parashari. >>>> >>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since > retrogression >>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which > we are >>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all > the >>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. >>> >Regards, >>> >Pran Razdan >>>> >>> >, Samir Shah > <solaris.smoke@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>>>> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>>>> >>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in >>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji >>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and >>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is >>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will >>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned >>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact >>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would > otherwise >> produce. >>>>> >>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's >>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: >>>>> >>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | >>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| >>>>> >>>>> which translates to: >>>>> >>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn >>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> Samir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: >>>>> >, Samir Shah >> <solaris.smoke@> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>> >Dear Samir, >>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart > which is >>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, > career >>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of > strong >> sat in >>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more > similar >>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar. >>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu > dasa >> was the >>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two > cars and >>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable > Rahu in the >>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went > away. >> Jupiter >>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. >>>>>> >>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. >> Obviously >>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do > everything. >>>>>> >>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral > scriptures >> donot >>>>> >mention anything about it. >>>>> >Regards >>>>> >Pran Razdan >>>>>> >>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn >>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the >>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh >>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong >>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since >>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, >>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this >>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun >>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This >>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not >>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or >>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Samir >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: >>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" >> <visti@> wrote: >>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, >>>>>>> >Namaskaar. >>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost > all >>> >scriptures >>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives > good >> results, >>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in >> Scorpio and >>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate > etc. It >>> >looks the >>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have > several >>> >charts but >>>>>>> >the one below is prominent. >>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 >>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no > marriage, >>> >deep in >>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than > the >>> >swakhetri >>>>>>> >Saturn. >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that > fourth >> lord in >>>>> >fourth >>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth > causes >> increased >>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst > mercury in >>> >fourth >>>>>>> >will make >>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets > around due >>> >to its >>>>>>> >rajasic >>>>>>>>> traits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >[] On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > Satisfaction >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction > (jupiter >>>>> >exalted in 4th >>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala > purusha >> chart)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we > can help >>> >make the >>>>>>> >world >>>>>>>>> safe for diversity. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > 40srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 >>>>>>>>>> @ <% > 40> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental >> Satisfaction >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed > in the >>> >twelfth, >>>>>>> >it will >>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, > happy >> marital >>>>>>> >life, etc. >>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also > ensures >> mental >>>>>>>>>> satisfaction, >>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest > clothes >>> >as the >>>>>>> >native >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, > imagine if >>> >that >>>>>>> >planet is >>>>>>>>>> afflicted... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> >>> >http://srigaruda. >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> @ >> <%40> >>>>>>>>> [@ >>>>>>>>> <%40> > ] >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun >>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 >>>>>>>>>> @ <% > 40> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > Satisfaction >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your > guidance >>> >always >>>>>>> >helped >>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can >> understand each >>>>>>> >factor you >>>>>>>>>> explained to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we > should >>> >conclude >>>>>>> >if 4th >>>>>>>>>> lord >>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house >>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied > with >> all his >>>>>>> >deeds...or >>>>>>>>>> karma >>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is > never >>> >been able >>>>>>> >to be >>>>>>>>>> satisfied. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with >> whatever he >>>>> >achieves >>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th > house. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tarun >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the > fourth >>> >house, >>>>>>> >and the >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of > the fourth >>> >house, >>>>>>> >being >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our > happiness >>> >increases >>>>>>> >and our >>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being > the >> fifth >>>>> >from the >>>>>>>>>> fourth, >>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise > in the >>> >body due >>>>>>> >to weak >>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor > away. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest > and >> this is >>>>> >seen from >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the > planets >> placed >>>>> >in the >>>>>>>>>> twelfth >>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the > twelfth >>> >house >>>>>>>>>> auspicious >>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably > meditate >> on the >>>>> >sanjivani >>>>>>>>>> beeja >>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola >> mantra: Om >>>>>>> >Joom Sah, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of > sadashiva >>> >beeja; haum. >>>>>>> >Hence: >>>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect > health, >>>>>>> >recooperation, >>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally >> opening the >>>>> >third eye >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> >>> >http://srigaruda. >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ >>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. >>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama >> Krishna' >>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar >>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should >>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. >>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart >>>>> >reading today >>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear Aru- You are perfectly right. But my initial question was that when all the scriptures advise that any planet in its own house, including a malefic, is bound to give good effects why does it not happen in case of Saturn in 4th house of Scorpio ascendants.I have seen several such charts who have severe problems of 4th house effects i.e lack of residential property, vehicles and overall unhappiness. I have not been able to get a satisfactory answer to this question so far. I wonder if this position of Saturn in such charts is an exception to the general rule. Pran Razdan , "Aravinda" <aru_dulla wrote: > > Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness. > Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness > in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a > way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the > perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna > or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always > be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the > fourth house will make the person very melancholic! > > regards > Aru > > > > , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Samir, > > It is alright if it was a typo. > > I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house > giving > > them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the > question I > > had raised in my earlier mail to Visti. > > In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn > > which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the > general > > unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says > Saturn's > > aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case > of > > Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here. > > Regards > > Pran Razdan > > > > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > wrote: > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > > > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > > > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > > > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > > > the process of learning - and in that capacity I > > > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > > > knew - and suggesting that the effects you > > > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > > > to another aspect of the chart. > > > > > > I do not agree that retrogression simply > > > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > > > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > > > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than > that. > > > > > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > > > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > > > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > > > makes many statements in many chapters that are > > > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > > > >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > > > > > > > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished > to > > > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years > of > > > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can > be > > > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, > many of > > > >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > > > > > > > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not > one > > > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general > reading > > > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > > > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer > please > > > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > > > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. > > > > > > > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the > shaloka you > > > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some > scriptures > > > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a > general > > > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. > For > > > >details please read Laghu Parashari. > > > > > > > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since > retrogression > > > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which > we are > > > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all > the > > > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > > > >Regards, > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > >, Samir Shah > <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > > > > > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > > > > > pointed out, that when curses exist, and > > > > > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > > > > > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > > > > > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > > > > > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > > > > > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would > otherwise > > produce. > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > > > > > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > > > > > > > > > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > > > > > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > > > > > > > > > > which translates to: > > > > > > > > > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > > > > > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > > > > > >, Samir Shah > > <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Samir, > > > > > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart > which is > > > > > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, > career > > > > > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of > strong > > sat in > > > > > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more > similar > > > > > >chart has been given by Kumar. > > > > > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu > dasa > > was the > > > > > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two > cars and > > > > > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable > Rahu in the > > > > > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went > away. > > Jupiter > > > > > >is obviously weak and cannot help. > > > > > > > > > > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. > > Obviously > > > > > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral > scriptures > > donot > > > > > >mention anything about it. > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > > > > > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > > > > > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > > > > > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > > > > > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > > > > > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > > > > > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > > > > > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > > > > > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > > > > > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not > > > > > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or > > > > > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >, "Visti Larsen" > > <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > > >Namaskaar. > > > > > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost > all > > > >scriptures > > > > > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives > good > > results, > > > > > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in > > Scorpio and > > > > > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate > etc. It > > > >looks the > > > > > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have > several > > > >charts but > > > > > > > >the one below is prominent. > > > > > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > > > > > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no > marriage, > > > >deep in > > > > > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than > the > > > >swakhetri > > > > > > > >Saturn. > > > > > > > >Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that > fourth > > lord in > > > > > >fourth > > > > > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth > causes > > increased > > > > > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst > mercury in > > > >fourth > > > > > > > >will make > > > > > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets > around due > > > >to its > > > > > > > >rajasic > > > > > > > > > traits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction > (jupiter > > > > > >exalted in 4th > > > > > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala > purusha > > chart)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we > can help > > > >make the > > > > > > > >world > > > > > > > > > safe for diversity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > 40srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > > > > > > > > > > @ <% > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > > Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed > in the > > > >twelfth, > > > > > > > >it will > > > > > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, > happy > > marital > > > > > > > >life, etc. > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also > ensures > > mental > > > > > > > > > > satisfaction, > > > > > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest > clothes > > > >as the > > > > > > > >native > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, > imagine if > > > >that > > > > > > > >planet is > > > > > > > > > > afflicted... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > > > >http://srigaruda. > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > [@ > > > > > > > > > <%40> > ] > > > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun > > > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02 > > > > > > > > > > @ <% > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > Satisfaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your > guidance > > > >always > > > > > > > >helped > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can > > understand each > > > > > > > >factor you > > > > > > > > > > explained to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we > should > > > >conclude > > > > > > > >if 4th > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > is in 12th house > > > > > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied > with > > all his > > > > > > > >deeds...or > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is > never > > > >been able > > > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with > > whatever he > > > > > >achieves > > > > > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the > fourth > > > >house, > > > > > > > >and the > > > > > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of > the fourth > > > >house, > > > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our > happiness > > > >increases > > > > > > > >and our > > > > > > > > > > mental satisfaction also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being > the > > fifth > > > > > >from the > > > > > > > > > > fourth, > > > > > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise > in the > > > >body due > > > > > > > >to weak > > > > > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor > away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest > and > > this is > > > > > >seen from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the > planets > > placed > > > > > >in the > > > > > > > > > > twelfth > > > > > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the > twelfth > > > >house > > > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably > meditate > > on the > > > > > >sanjivani > > > > > > > > > > beeja > > > > > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola > > mantra: Om > > > > > > > >Joom Sah, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of > sadashiva > > > >beeja; haum. > > > > > > > >Hence: > > > > > > > > > > Om > > > > > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect > health, > > > > > > > >recooperation, > > > > > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally > > opening the > > > > > >third eye > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > the help of Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > > > >http://srigaruda. > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > Krishna' > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart > > > > > >reading today > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear Prafulla........Saturn being lagna lord placed in the fourth and that too in a friendly house might augur well for lagna but we need more factors like A4 and placement of venus too. We have to analyze these from the AL too. Saturn aspecting its lagna is again good for the lagna. One more thing is lagna lord placed in the fourth is good but since it is a natural malefic it might give mixed results like mother being a strict disciplinarian or the native brooding all the time and so on. regards Aru , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Arvinda ji > > I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th lord in lagna. It makes the native focussing on domestic issues. How about kumbha lagna shani in 4th house? Will the shani (though natural malefic planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) deny domestic comforts and happiness. Here shani will aspect the lagna as well !! > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Let not the sands of time get in your lunch. > > > > > > aru_dulla > > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness. > > Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness > > in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a > > way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the > > perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna > > or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always > > be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the > > fourth house will make the person very melancholic! > > > > regards > > Aru > > > > > > > > , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Samir, > >> It is alright if it was a typo. > >> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house > > giving > >> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the > > question I > >> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti. > >> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn > >> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the > > general > >> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says > > Saturn's > >> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case > > of > >> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here. > >> Regards > >> Pran Razdan > >> > >> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>> > >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>> > >>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > >>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > >>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > >>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > >>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I > >>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > >>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you > >>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > >>> to another aspect of the chart. > >>> > >>> I do not agree that retrogression simply > >>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > >>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > >>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than > > that. > >>> > >>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > >>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > >>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > >>> makes many statements in many chapters that are > >>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > >>> > >>> Best wishes, > >>> > >>> Samir > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > >>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > >>>> > >>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished > > to > >>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years > > of > >>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can > > be > >>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, > > many of > >>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > >>>> > >>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not > > one > >>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general > > reading > >>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > >>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer > > please > >>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > >>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. > >>>> > >>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the > > shaloka you > >>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some > > scriptures > >>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a > > general > >>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. > > For > >>> >details please read Laghu Parashari. > >>>> > >>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since > > retrogression > >>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which > > we are > >>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all > > the > >>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > >>> >Regards, > >>> >Pran Razdan > >>>> > >>> >, Samir Shah > > <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > >>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > >>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and > >>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > >>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > >>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > >>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > >>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would > > otherwise > >> produce. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > >>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > >>>>> > >>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > >>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > >>>>> > >>>>> which translates to: > >>>>> > >>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > >>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>> > >>>>> Samir > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > >>>>> >, Samir Shah > >> <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>> >Dear Samir, > >>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart > > which is > >>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, > > career > >>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of > > strong > >> sat in > >>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more > > similar > >>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar. > >>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu > > dasa > >> was the > >>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two > > cars and > >>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable > > Rahu in the > >>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went > > away. > >> Jupiter > >>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. > >>>>>> > >>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. > >> Obviously > >>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do > > everything. > >>>>>> > >>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral > > scriptures > >> donot > >>>>> >mention anything about it. > >>>>> >Regards > >>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > >>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > >>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > >>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > >>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > >>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > >>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > >>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > >>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > >>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not > >>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or > >>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Samir > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > >>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" > >> <visti@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, > >>>>>>> >Namaskaar. > >>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost > > all > >>> >scriptures > >>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives > > good > >> results, > >>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in > >> Scorpio and > >>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate > > etc. It > >>> >looks the > >>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have > > several > >>> >charts but > >>>>>>> >the one below is prominent. > >>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > >>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no > > marriage, > >>> >deep in > >>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than > > the > >>> >swakhetri > >>>>>>> >Saturn. > >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that > > fourth > >> lord in > >>>>> >fourth > >>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth > > causes > >> increased > >>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst > > mercury in > >>> >fourth > >>>>>>> >will make > >>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets > > around due > >>> >to its > >>>>>>> >rajasic > >>>>>>>>> traits. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >[] On > >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > > Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction > > (jupiter > >>>>> >exalted in 4th > >>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala > > purusha > >> chart)? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we > > can help > >>> >make the > >>>>>>> >world > >>>>>>>>> safe for diversity. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > > 40srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > >>>>>>>>>> @ <% > > 40> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > >> Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed > > in the > >>> >twelfth, > >>>>>>> >it will > >>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, > > happy > >> marital > >>>>>>> >life, etc. > >>>>>>>>>> If > >>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also > > ensures > >> mental > >>>>>>>>>> satisfaction, > >>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest > > clothes > >>> >as the > >>>>>>> >native > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, > > imagine if > >>> >that > >>>>>>> >planet is > >>>>>>>>>> afflicted... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >>> >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> @ > >> <%40> > >>>>>>>>> [@ > >>>>>>>>> <%40> > > ] > >>>>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun > >>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 > >>>>>>>>>> @ <% > > 40> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > > Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your > > guidance > >>> >always > >>>>>>> >helped > >>>>>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can > >> understand each > >>>>>>> >factor you > >>>>>>>>>> explained to me. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we > > should > >>> >conclude > >>>>>>> >if 4th > >>>>>>>>>> lord > >>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house > >>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied > > with > >> all his > >>>>>>> >deeds...or > >>>>>>>>>> karma > >>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is > > never > >>> >been able > >>>>>>> >to be > >>>>>>>>>> satisfied. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with > >> whatever he > >>>>> >achieves > >>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th > > house. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tarun > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the > > fourth > >>> >house, > >>>>>>> >and the > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of > > the fourth > >>> >house, > >>>>>>> >being > >>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our > > happiness > >>> >increases > >>>>>>> >and our > >>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being > > the > >> fifth > >>>>> >from the > >>>>>>>>>> fourth, > >>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise > > in the > >>> >body due > >>>>>>> >to weak > >>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor > > away. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest > > and > >> this is > >>>>> >seen from > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the > > planets > >> placed > >>>>> >in the > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth > >>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the > > twelfth > >>> >house > >>>>>>>>>> auspicious > >>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably > > meditate > >> on the > >>>>> >sanjivani > >>>>>>>>>> beeja > >>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola > >> mantra: Om > >>>>>>> >Joom Sah, > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of > > sadashiva > >>> >beeja; haum. > >>>>>>> >Hence: > >>>>>>>>>> Om > >>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect > > health, > >>>>>>> >recooperation, > >>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally > >> opening the > >>>>> >third eye > >>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >>> >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ > >>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > Ashram. > >>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > >> Krishna' > >>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > >>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should > >>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. > >>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > chart > >>>>> >reading today > >>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear Arvinda In your analogy, saturn in any house will harm it..no matter if he is lagna lord, yoga graha or functional benefic. I do not agree with it. Ofcourse, there may be other factors favouring / troubling the significations. regards / Prafulla Gang Let not the sands of time get in your lunch. > > aru_dulla > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:16:22 -0000 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > Dear Prafulla........Saturn being lagna lord placed in the fourth > and that too in a friendly house might augur well for lagna but we > need more factors like A4 and placement of venus too. We have to > analyze these from the AL too. Saturn aspecting its lagna is again > good for the lagna. One more thing is lagna lord placed in the > fourth is good but since it is a natural malefic it might give mixed > results like mother being a strict disciplinarian or the native > brooding all the time and so on. > > regards > Aru > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Arvinda ji >> >> I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th lord in lagna. It > makes the native focussing on domestic issues. How about kumbha > lagna shani in 4th house? Will the shani (though natural malefic > planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) deny domestic comforts and > happiness. Here shani will aspect the lagna as well !! >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Let not the sands of time get in your lunch. >> >> >>> >>> aru_dulla >>> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000 >>> >>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction >>> >>> Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on > happiness. >>> Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of > unhappiness >>> in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in > a >>> way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the >>> perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in > lagna >>> or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will > always >>> be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in > the >>> fourth house will make the person very melancholic! >>> >>> regards >>> Aru >>> >>> >>> >>> , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Samir, >>>> It is alright if it was a typo. >>>> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house >>> giving >>>> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the >>> question I >>>> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti. >>>> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of > Saturn >>>> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the >>> general >>>> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says >>> Saturn's >>>> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the > case >>> of >>>> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here. >>>> Regards >>>> Pran Razdan >>>> >>>> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>>>> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly >>>>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was >>>>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects >>>>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in >>>>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I >>>>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I >>>>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you >>>>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked >>>>> to another aspect of the chart. >>>>> >>>>> I do not agree that retrogression simply >>>>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS >>>>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can >>>>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than >>> that. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the >>>>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we >>>>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara >>>>> makes many statements in many chapters that are >>>>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> Samir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: >>>>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar. >>>>>> >>>>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am > astonished >>> to >>>>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten > years >>> of >>>>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence > can >>> be >>>>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, >>> many of >>>>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus. >>>>>> >>>>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of > not >>> one >>>>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general >>> reading >>>>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this > answer >>>>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer >>> please >>>>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of >>>>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont > mind. >>>>>> >>>>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the >>> shaloka you >>>>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some >>> scriptures >>>>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a >>> general >>>>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. >>> For >>>>> >details please read Laghu Parashari. >>>>>> >>>>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since >>> retrogression >>>>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which >>> we are >>>>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all >>> the >>>>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. >>>>> >Regards, >>>>> >Pran Razdan >>>>>> >>>>> >, Samir Shah >>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in >>>>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji >>>>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and >>>>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is >>>>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will >>>>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned >>>>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact >>>>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would >>> otherwise >>>> produce. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's >>>>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | >>>>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which translates to: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn >>>>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Samir >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: >>>>>>> >, Samir Shah >>>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Dear Samir, >>>>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart >>> which is >>>>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, >>> career >>>>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of >>> strong >>>> sat in >>>>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more >>> similar >>>>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar. >>>>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu >>> dasa >>>> was the >>>>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two >>> cars and >>>>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable >>> Rahu in the >>>>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went >>> away. >>>> Jupiter >>>>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. >>>> Obviously >>>>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do >>> everything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral >>> scriptures >>>> donot >>>>>>> >mention anything about it. >>>>>>> >Regards >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn >>>>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the >>>>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh >>>>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong >>>>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since >>>>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, >>>>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this >>>>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun >>>>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This >>>>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not >>>>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or >>>>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Samir >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" >>>> <visti@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, >>>>>>>>> >Namaskaar. >>>>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost >>> all >>>>> >scriptures >>>>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives >>> good >>>> results, >>>>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in >>>> Scorpio and >>>>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate >>> etc. It >>>>> >looks the >>>>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have >>> several >>>>> >charts but >>>>>>>>> >the one below is prominent. >>>>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 >>>>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no >>> marriage, >>>>> >deep in >>>>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than >>> the >>>>> >swakhetri >>>>>>>>> >Saturn. >>>>>>>>> >Pran Razdan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that >>> fourth >>>> lord in >>>>>>> >fourth >>>>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth >>> causes >>>> increased >>>>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst >>> mercury in >>>>> >fourth >>>>>>>>> >will make >>>>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets >>> around due >>>>> >to its >>>>>>>>> >rajasic >>>>>>>>>>> traits. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >[] On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental >>> Satisfaction >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction >>> (jupiter >>>>>>> >exalted in 4th >>>>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala >>> purusha >>>> chart)? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we >>> can help >>>>> >make the >>>>>>>>> >world >>>>>>>>>>> safe for diversity. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% >>> 40srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 >>>>>>>>>>>> @ <% >>> 40> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental >>>> Satisfaction >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed >>> in the >>>>> >twelfth, >>>>>>>>> >it will >>>>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, >>> happy >>>> marital >>>>>>>>> >life, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also >>> ensures >>>> mental >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction, >>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest >>> clothes >>>>> >as the >>>>>>>>> >native >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, >>> imagine if >>>>> >that >>>>>>>>> >planet is >>>>>>>>>>>> afflicted... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> >>>>> >http://srigaruda. >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> @ >>>> <%40> >>>>>>>>>>> [@ >>>>>>>>>>> <%40> >>> ] >>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun >>>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 >>>>>>>>>>>> @ <% >>> 40> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental >>> Satisfaction >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your >>> guidance >>>>> >always >>>>>>>>> >helped >>>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can >>>> understand each >>>>>>>>> >factor you >>>>>>>>>>>> explained to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we >>> should >>>>> >conclude >>>>>>>>> >if 4th >>>>>>>>>>>> lord >>>>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house >>>>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied >>> with >>>> all his >>>>>>>>> >deeds...or >>>>>>>>>>>> karma >>>>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is >>> never >>>>> >been able >>>>>>>>> >to be >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with >>>> whatever he >>>>>>> >achieves >>>>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th >>> house. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tarun >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the >>> fourth >>>>> >house, >>>>>>>>> >and the >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of >>> the fourth >>>>> >house, >>>>>>>>> >being >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our >>> happiness >>>>> >increases >>>>>>>>> >and our >>>>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being >>> the >>>> fifth >>>>>>> >from the >>>>>>>>>>>> fourth, >>>>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise >>> in the >>>>> >body due >>>>>>>>> >to weak >>>>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor >>> away. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest >>> and >>>> this is >>>>>>> >seen from >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the >>> planets >>>> placed >>>>>>> >in the >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth >>>>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the >>> twelfth >>>>> >house >>>>>>>>>>>> auspicious >>>>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably >>> meditate >>>> on the >>>>>>> >sanjivani >>>>>>>>>>>> beeja >>>>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola >>>> mantra: Om >>>>>>>>> >Joom Sah, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of >>> sadashiva >>>>> >beeja; haum. >>>>>>>>> >Hence: >>>>>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect >>> health, >>>>>>>>> >recooperation, >>>>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally >>>> opening the >>>>>>> >third eye >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> >>>>> >http://srigaruda. >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ >>>>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta >>> Ashram. >>>>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama >>>> Krishna' >>>>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar >>>>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should >>>>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. >>>>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free >>> chart >>>>>>> >reading today >>>>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Prafulla.......what I said was saturn as a benefic(since he is the lagna lord) will obviously give the benefits but since it is a natural malefic it will have its own negative effects also. So, the result is mixed. Saturn is happiest in the trik sthanas. That is why it gives VRY when is debilitated and placed in a dusthanas eventhough it owns kendras and trines. As a lagna lord placed in the fourth house in a kendra it will be comfortable giving good health and good education etc,. But due to its natural maleficience it will make you melancholic at times. regards Aru , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Arvinda > > In your analogy, saturn in any house will harm it..no matter if he is lagna lord, yoga graha or functional benefic. I do not agree with it. > > Ofcourse, there may be other factors favouring / troubling the significations. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Let not the sands of time get in your lunch. > > > > > > aru_dulla > > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:16:22 -0000 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Prafulla........Saturn being lagna lord placed in the fourth > > and that too in a friendly house might augur well for lagna but we > > need more factors like A4 and placement of venus too. We have to > > analyze these from the AL too. Saturn aspecting its lagna is again > > good for the lagna. One more thing is lagna lord placed in the > > fourth is good but since it is a natural malefic it might give mixed > > results like mother being a strict disciplinarian or the native > > brooding all the time and so on. > > > > regards > > Aru > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Arvinda ji > >> > >> I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th lord in lagna. It > > makes the native focussing on domestic issues. How about kumbha > > lagna shani in 4th house? Will the shani (though natural malefic > > planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) deny domestic comforts and > > happiness. Here shani will aspect the lagna as well !! > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Let not the sands of time get in your lunch. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> aru_dulla@ > >>> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000 > >>> > >>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > >>> > >>> Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on > > happiness. > >>> Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of > > unhappiness > >>> in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in > > a > >>> way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the > >>> perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in > > lagna > >>> or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will > > always > >>> be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in > > the > >>> fourth house will make the person very melancholic! > >>> > >>> regards > >>> Aru > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@> > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Samir, > >>>> It is alright if it was a typo. > >>>> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house > >>> giving > >>>> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the > >>> question I > >>>> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti. > >>>> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of > > Saturn > >>>> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the > >>> general > >>>> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says > >>> Saturn's > >>>> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the > > case > >>> of > >>>> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here. > >>>> Regards > >>>> Pran Razdan > >>>> > >>>> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > >>>>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > >>>>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > >>>>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > >>>>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I > >>>>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > >>>>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you > >>>>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > >>>>> to another aspect of the chart. > >>>>> > >>>>> I do not agree that retrogression simply > >>>>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > >>>>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > >>>>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than > >>> that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > >>>>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > >>>>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > >>>>> makes many statements in many chapters that are > >>>>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>> > >>>>> Samir > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > >>>>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > >>>>>> > >>>>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am > > astonished > >>> to > >>>>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten > > years > >>> of > >>>>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence > > can > >>> be > >>>>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, > >>> many of > >>>>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > >>>>>> > >>>>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of > > not > >>> one > >>>>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general > >>> reading > >>>>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this > > answer > >>>>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer > >>> please > >>>>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > >>>>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont > > mind. > >>>>>> > >>>>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the > >>> shaloka you > >>>>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some > >>> scriptures > >>>>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a > >>> general > >>>>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. > >>> For > >>>>> >details please read Laghu Parashari. > >>>>>> > >>>>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since > >>> retrogression > >>>>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which > >>> we are > >>>>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all > >>> the > >>>>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > >>>>> >Regards, > >>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>> > >>>>> >, Samir Shah > >>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > >>>>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > >>>>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and > >>>>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > >>>>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > >>>>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > >>>>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > >>>>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would > >>> otherwise > >>>> produce. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > >>>>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > >>>>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> which translates to: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > >>>>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Samir > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > >>>>>>> >, Samir Shah > >>>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >Dear Samir, > >>>>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart > >>> which is > >>>>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, > >>> career > >>>>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of > >>> strong > >>>> sat in > >>>>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more > >>> similar > >>>>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar. > >>>>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu > >>> dasa > >>>> was the > >>>>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two > >>> cars and > >>>>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable > >>> Rahu in the > >>>>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went > >>> away. > >>>> Jupiter > >>>>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. > >>>> Obviously > >>>>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do > >>> everything. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral > >>> scriptures > >>>> donot > >>>>>>> >mention anything about it. > >>>>>>> >Regards > >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > >>>>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > >>>>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > >>>>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > >>>>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > >>>>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > >>>>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > >>>>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > >>>>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > >>>>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not > >>>>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or > >>>>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Samir > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > >>>>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" > >>>> <visti@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, > >>>>>>>>> >Namaskaar. > >>>>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost > >>> all > >>>>> >scriptures > >>>>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives > >>> good > >>>> results, > >>>>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in > >>>> Scorpio and > >>>>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate > >>> etc. It > >>>>> >looks the > >>>>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have > >>> several > >>>>> >charts but > >>>>>>>>> >the one below is prominent. > >>>>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > >>>>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no > >>> marriage, > >>>>> >deep in > >>>>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than > >>> the > >>>>> >swakhetri > >>>>>>>>> >Saturn. > >>>>>>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that > >>> fourth > >>>> lord in > >>>>>>> >fourth > >>>>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth > >>> causes > >>>> increased > >>>>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst > >>> mercury in > >>>>> >fourth > >>>>>>>>> >will make > >>>>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets > >>> around due > >>>>> >to its > >>>>>>>>> >rajasic > >>>>>>>>>>> traits. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >[] On > >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > >>> Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction > >>> (jupiter > >>>>>>> >exalted in 4th > >>>>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala > >>> purusha > >>>> chart)? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we > >>> can help > >>>>> >make the > >>>>>>>>> >world > >>>>>>>>>>> safe for diversity. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > >>> 40srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > >>>>>>>>>>>> @ <% > >>> 40> > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > >>>> Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed > >>> in the > >>>>> >twelfth, > >>>>>>>>> >it will > >>>>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, > >>> happy > >>>> marital > >>>>>>>>> >life, etc. > >>>>>>>>>>>> If > >>>>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also > >>> ensures > >>>> mental > >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction, > >>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest > >>> clothes > >>>>> >as the > >>>>>>>>> >native > >>>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, > >>> imagine if > >>>>> >that > >>>>>>>>> >planet is > >>>>>>>>>>>> afflicted... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >>>>> >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> @ > >>>> <%40> > >>>>>>>>>>> [@ > >>>>>>>>>>> <%40> > >>> ] > >>>>>>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun > >>>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 > >>>>>>>>>>>> @ <% > >>> 40> > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > >>> Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your > >>> guidance > >>>>> >always > >>>>>>>>> >helped > >>>>>>>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can > >>>> understand each > >>>>>>>>> >factor you > >>>>>>>>>>>> explained to me. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we > >>> should > >>>>> >conclude > >>>>>>>>> >if 4th > >>>>>>>>>>>> lord > >>>>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house > >>>>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied > >>> with > >>>> all his > >>>>>>>>> >deeds...or > >>>>>>>>>>>> karma > >>>>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is > >>> never > >>>>> >been able > >>>>>>>>> >to be > >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with > >>>> whatever he > >>>>>>> >achieves > >>>>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th > >>> house. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tarun > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the > >>> fourth > >>>>> >house, > >>>>>>>>> >and the > >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of > >>> the fourth > >>>>> >house, > >>>>>>>>> >being > >>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our > >>> happiness > >>>>> >increases > >>>>>>>>> >and our > >>>>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being > >>> the > >>>> fifth > >>>>>>> >from the > >>>>>>>>>>>> fourth, > >>>>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise > >>> in the > >>>>> >body due > >>>>>>>>> >to weak > >>>>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor > >>> away. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest > >>> and > >>>> this is > >>>>>>> >seen from > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the > >>> planets > >>>> placed > >>>>>>> >in the > >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth > >>>>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the > >>> twelfth > >>>>> >house > >>>>>>>>>>>> auspicious > >>>>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably > >>> meditate > >>>> on the > >>>>>>> >sanjivani > >>>>>>>>>>>> beeja > >>>>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola > >>>> mantra: Om > >>>>>>>>> >Joom Sah, > >>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of > >>> sadashiva > >>>>> >beeja; haum. > >>>>>>>>> >Hence: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Om > >>>>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect > >>> health, > >>>>>>>>> >recooperation, > >>>>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally > >>>> opening the > >>>>>>> >third eye > >>>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >>>>> >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ > >>>>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > >>> Ashram. > >>>>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > >>>> Krishna' > >>>>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > >>>>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should > >>>>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. > >>>>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > >>> chart > >>>>>>> >reading today > >>>>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Prafulla and Aru, Namaskar The classics (Saravali does this in detail) give the effects of the planets in various houses without considering lordships. There is a good basis for this. Let's try this approach: what are the Karakas of the 4th house? Moon (Mother, emotions, peace of mind), Mercury (education), Mars (land), Ketu (home and buildings), Venus (vehicles, luxuries), Jupiter (sukha). Okay, now lets look at the relationship of these planets with Saturn. Saturn is inimical to Mars and the Moon. Thus we can infer that it will not support these karakatwas. It is friendly, however, to Mercury and Venus, and will therefore help these karakatwas. So Saturn in the 4th will not be good for the mother, and for the ownership of land. It will give good education, though the manner in which is does so is through strict discipline. It is actually good for luxuries and vehicles! However, this doesn't guarantee happiness from the same - why? Because Jupiter is the karaka for sukha, and Saturn debilitates Jupiter (Moon's karakatwa is damaged also). Next, we can also consider the argalas of Saturn on other houses. In the 4th, Saturn will have argala on Lagna, the 3rd house and the 6th house. If we look at the karakas of these houses, we can in the same manner see what it will support and what it will oppose in each of thoses houses. So, Saturn in the 4th isn't good for Lagna either (Saturn is inimical to the Sun). All this we can say before looking at lordships. Lordships will change this somewhat - so if Saturn were to lord the 4th house, then it would try to protect that house. But this doesn't change the manner in which Shani will act. Prafulla, what do you mean by "Shani is karaka for kumbha lagna?" Best wishes, Samir At 08:08 09/07/2006, you wrote: >Dear Arvinda ji > >I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th >lord in lagna. It makes the native focussing on >domestic issues. How about kumbha lagna shani in >4th house? Will the shani (though natural >malefic planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) >deny domestic comforts and happiness. Here shani >will aspect the lagna as well !! > >regards / Prafulla Gang > >Let not the sands of time get in your lunch. > > > > > > aru_dulla > > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction > > > > Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness. > > Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness > > in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a > > way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the > > perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna > > or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always > > be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the > > fourth house will make the person very melancholic! > > > > regards > > Aru > > > > > > > > , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote: > >> > >> Dear Samir, > >> It is alright if it was a typo. > >> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house > > giving > >> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the > > question I > >> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti. > >> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn > >> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the > > general > >> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says > > Saturn's > >> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case > > of > >> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here. > >> Regards > >> Pran Razdan > >> > >> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>> > >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>> > >>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly > >>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was > >>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects > >>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in > >>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I > >>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I > >>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you > >>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked > >>> to another aspect of the chart. > >>> > >>> I do not agree that retrogression simply > >>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS > >>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can > >>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than > > that. > >>> > >>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the > >>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we > >>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara > >>> makes many statements in many chapters that are > >>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself. > >>> > >>> Best wishes, > >>> > >>> Samir > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote: > >>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar. > >>>> > >>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished > > to > >>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years > > of > >>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can > > be > >>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, > > many of > >>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus. > >>>> > >>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not > > one > >>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general > > reading > >>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer > >>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer > > please > >>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of > >>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind. > >>>> > >>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the > > shaloka you > >>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some > > scriptures > >>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a > > general > >>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. > > For > >>> >details please read Laghu Parashari. > >>>> > >>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since > > retrogression > >>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which > > we are > >>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all > > the > >>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not. > >>> >Regards, > >>> >Pran Razdan > >>>> > >>> >, Samir Shah > > <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in > >>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji > >>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and > >>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is > >>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will > >>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned > >>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact > >>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would > > otherwise > >> produce. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's > >>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS: > >>>>> > >>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija | > >>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157|| > >>>>> > >>>>> which translates to: > >>>>> > >>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn > >>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>> > >>>>> Samir > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote: > >>>>> >, Samir Shah > >> <solaris.smoke@> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>> >Dear Samir, > >>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart > > which is > >>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, > > career > >>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of > > strong > >> sat in > >>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more > > similar > >>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar. > >>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu > > dasa > >> was the > >>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two > > cars and > >>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable > > Rahu in the > >>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went > > away. > >> Jupiter > >>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help. > >>>>>> > >>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. > >> Obviously > >>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do > > everything. > >>>>>> > >>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral > > scriptures > >> donot > >>>>> >mention anything about it. > >>>>> >Regards > >>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na || > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn > >>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the > >>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh > >>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong > >>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since > >>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, > >>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this > >>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun > >>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This > >>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not > >>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or > >>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Samir > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote: > >>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" > >> <visti@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji, > >>>>>>> >Namaskaar. > >>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost > > all > >>> >scriptures > >>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives > > good > >> results, > >>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in > >> Scorpio and > >>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate > > etc. It > >>> >looks the > >>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have > > several > >>> >charts but > >>>>>>> >the one below is prominent. > >>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49 > >>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no > > marriage, > >>> >deep in > >>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than > > the > >>> >swakhetri > >>>>>>> >Saturn. > >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that > > fourth > >> lord in > >>>>> >fourth > >>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth > > causes > >> increased > >>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst > > mercury in > >>> >fourth > >>>>>>> >will make > >>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets > > around due > >>> >to its > >>>>>>> >rajasic > >>>>>>>>> traits. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >[] On > >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > > Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction > > (jupiter > >>>>> >exalted in 4th > >>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala > > purusha > >> chart)? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we > > can help > >>> >make the > >>>>>>> >world > >>>>>>>>> safe for diversity. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%> 40srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200 > >>>>>>>>>> @ <%> 40> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > >> Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed > > in the > >>> >twelfth, > >>>>>>> >it will > >>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, > > happy > >> marital > >>>>>>> >life, etc. > >>>>>>>>>> If > >>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also > > ensures > >> mental > >>>>>>>>>> satisfaction, > >>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest > > clothes > >>> >as the > >>>>>>> >native > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, > > imagine if > >>> >that > >>>>>>> >planet is > >>>>>>>>>> afflicted... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >>> >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> @ > >> <%40> > >>>>>>>>> [@ > >>>>>>>>> <%40> > > ] > >>>>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun > >>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02 > >>>>>>>>>> @ <%> 40> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental > > Satisfaction > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your > > guidance > >>> >always > >>>>>>> >helped > >>>>>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can > >> understand each > >>>>>>> >factor you > >>>>>>>>>> explained to me. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we > > should > >>> >conclude > >>>>>>> >if 4th > >>>>>>>>>> lord > >>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house > >>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied > > with > >> all his > >>>>>>> >deeds...or > >>>>>>>>>> karma > >>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is > > never > >>> >been able > >>>>>>> >to be > >>>>>>>>>> satisfied. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with > >> whatever he > >>>>> >achieves > >>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th > > house. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tarun > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath; > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the > > fourth > >>> >house, > >>>>>>> >and the > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of > > the fourth > >>> >house, > >>>>>>> >being > >>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our > > happiness > >>> >increases > >>>>>>> >and our > >>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being > > the > >> fifth > >>>>> >from the > >>>>>>>>>> fourth, > >>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise > > in the > >>> >body due > >>>>>>> >to weak > >>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor > > away. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest > > and > >> this is > >>>>> >seen from > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the > > planets > >> placed > >>>>> >in the > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth > >>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the > > twelfth > >>> >house > >>>>>>>>>> auspicious > >>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably > > meditate > >> on the > >>>>> >sanjivani > >>>>>>>>>> beeja > >>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola > >> mantra: Om > >>>>>>> >Joom Sah, > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of > > sadashiva > >>> >beeja; haum. > >>>>>>> >Hence: > >>>>>>>>>> Om > >>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect > > health, > >>>>>>> >recooperation, > >>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally > >> opening the > >>>>> >third eye > >>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > >>> >http://srigaruda. > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *** > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _____ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~ > >>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > Ashram. > >>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > >> Krishna' > >>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > >>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should > >>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals. > >>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > chart > >>>>> >reading today > >>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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