Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

 

I read your long text but I am not sure if understood your argument. Is it

your argument that Srila Prabhupada could not have said that his disciples

can make their own disciples and at the same time said that it is the

etiquette they do not do so in his presence?

 

If your answer is "yes", then you will have to explain why Srila Prabhupada

could not have said that. Otherwise I see no reason why I should concede

defeat.

 

 

On June 26 you wrote that you are not saying that it would be a

contradiction if Srila Prabhupada said that his disciples can make their own

disciples and at the same time said that it is the etiquette they do not do

so in his presence.

 

But now you wrote:

> In other words, if you prove that Srila Prabhupada gave completely

> contradictory instructions then clearly you cannot use either instruction

> since they cancel each other out.

 

What contradiction do you mean? If one said, "Srila Prabhupada said that his

disciples can make their own disciples and at the same time said that it is

the etiquette they do not do so in his presence", would one be saying that

Srila Prabhupada gave contradictory instructions? If your answer is "no",

then I see no reason why I should concede defeat.

 

 

The proof that Srila Prabhupada's letters to Hamsaduta and Kirtanananda

referred to disciples initiating their own disciples is Srila Prabhupada's

meticulous nature. If by "to initiate" he had not meant "to initiate one's

own disciples", but something never mentioned before, then he would have

written that in these two letters.

 

 

You could not prove following claims:

 

a) In 1966 Srila Prabhupada wanted to be the sole diksa guru for ISKCON for

its whole duration. (This is part of your point a).

 

b) Until today Srila Prabhupada did not authorize anyone to be diksa guru.

(This is your point b).

 

c) The Hamsadutta letter could only be referring to disciples initiating on

his behalf. (Posted on Jun 16, 2006)

 

Therefore you (IRM) remain defeated.

 

 

ys Ramakanta dasa