Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Posted by Yaduraja on Jun 29, 2006:

 

Dear Ramakanta prabhu,

PAMHO, AGTSP,

You ask:

 

> Is it your argument that Srila Prabhupada could not have said that his

> disciples can make their own disciples and at the same time said that it

> is the etiquette they do not do so in his presence?

 

No.

 

I have explained your self-contradiction 11 times now, surely that is

enough. Please see my previous explanation.

 

Your arguments simply increase in desperation:

 

> The proof that Srila Prabhupada's letters to Hamsaduta and Kirtanananda

> referred to disciples initiating their own disciples is Srila Prabhupada's

> meticulous nature.

Ramakanta das

 

But the letter to Kirtanananda I posted clearly says "on my behalf", and the

letter to Revatinandana, which also makes specific reference to

Kirtanananda's chanting on beads, clearly says that they are NOT their

disciples, but Srila Prabhupada's disciples. Look:

 

"...so I think now you may be appointed by me to give first initiations to

new disciples by chanting on their beads on my behalf. In America

Kirtanananda Swami is going that. So now if there are two of you that will

give me great relief. Kirtanananda will chant on the beads for new devotees

in America, Canada, like that, you can chant on the beads for the European

continent new disciples. They shall, of course, still be considered as my

disciples, not that they shall become your disciples, but you will be

empowered by me to chant their beads and that is the same effect of binding

master and disciple as if I were personally chanting. " (SPL Revatinandana,

4 January 1973)

 

"My dear Kirtanananda,

Please accept my blessings. Now I am getting so many requests to take first

initiation from temples in your country, and once before I had empowered you

to chant the beads on my behalf, so henceforth, as long as I am away from

America and Canada, I am requesting all of the temple presidents in that

zone of North America and South America to send the beads of the new

devotees to you at New Vrndaban. The candidates for new devotees will send

me their letters as usual, and I will give them names myself and enter in

our records, simply you must chant on their beads and then return to them.

Is that clear?" (SPL Kirtanananda 5 January 1973)

 

You obviously need to learn to read.

 

If your position is that Srila Prabhupada issued two contradictory

instructions, one allowing the possibility of his disciples initiating in

his presence ('by 1975'), the other outlawing it (the law of disciplic

succession'), then you are still defeated as explained in my last post.

 

By the way, you have effectively conceded point a) (if you have forgotten

where you conceded Srila Prabhupada wanted to make himself recognised and

accepted as the sole diksa guru for ISKCON in 1966 let me know and I'll post

it for you), and as for point b) your main argument is an illogical

challenge to prove a negative. You are completely defeated, you just need to

realise you are defeated.

 

best wishes

ys

Yadu