Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hello; I'm new to this group, I'm an attorney-writer female in my 40 s & long time Buddhist practitioner. I've always read a great deal in Hinduism but never made a connection to the right (for me) teacher or teaching. I was initiated into Buddhist tantra and realizing these are all Sanskrit mantras and Hindu gods & goddesses read further about the tradition. And of course found this wonderful group and the great big reading list. I've read a few in the past; Avalon etc..I've taken most of the books out of the university library and am in the process of reading them. It's a great, great path My question is; not having been initiated by the guru yet, is it permissable to start chanting the Khadgamala Stotra & Mantras? If not what is permissable to begin with? many thanks Cory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 If I may say so, it is permissible to do any stotra without initiation as they are not bound by strict regulations of pronunciation and such. The rule is: one should not chant Vedic mantras (suktams, etc.), etc., without being initiated into them or given permission by a Guru. JANARDANA DASA Maior <rory12001 > wrote: Hello; I'm new to this group, I'm an attorney-writer female in my 40 s & long time Buddhist practitioner. I've always read a great deal in Hinduism but never made a connection to the right (for me) teacher or teaching. I was initiated into Buddhist tantra and realizing these are all Sanskrit mantras and Hindu gods & goddesses read further about the tradition. And of course found this wonderful group and the great big reading list. I've read a few in the past; Avalon etc..I've taken most of the books out of the university library and am in the process of reading them. It's a great, great path My question is; not having been initiated by the guru yet, is it permissable to start chanting the Khadgamala Stotra & Mantras? If not what is permissable to begin with? many thanks Cory Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Yes, you can chant the Khadgamala. But my opinion is that if you're a Buddhist and you wish to understand the mantra vidya which underlies much of Buddhism from the Hindu perspective then you would do maybe better to study the Lakshmi Tantra and the Lakshmi/Narasimha tantras, Upanishads, and related Shakta mantra vidya. As well as the Sri Vidya. But especially the Tarika mantra and its relatives. Just my two cents. Not that I find there to be a difference between Narayana/Lakshmi and Guru Rinpoche/Simhamukha. But most other Buddhits seem to have shallow understanding when it comes to Hinduism. At any rate, I applaud your interest in Hinduism which is really study of the Veda, which you might know as 'rigpa.' - Maior Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:15 PM new & starting.. Hello; I'm new to this group, I'm an attorney-writer female in my 40 s & long time Buddhist practitioner. I've always read a great deal in Hinduism but never made a connection to the right (for me) teacher or teaching. I was initiated into Buddhist tantra and realizing these are all Sanskrit mantras and Hindu gods & goddesses read further about the tradition. And of course found this wonderful group and the great big reading list. I've read a few in the past; Avalon etc..I've taken most of the books out of the university library and am in the process of reading them. It's a great, great path My question is; not having been initiated by the guru yet, is it permissable to start chanting the Khadgamala Stotra & Mantras? If not what is permissable to begin with? many thanks Cory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 In ealier days people very few of them used to chant KS and LSN. The logic was that you have to more discplined when your are worshipping the mother. MY logic is simple. We are all children to Mother. We need more dedication than discpline. Where dedicatio is an intrnal process and displene is exteral. As we are close to our mother, because she care us,w e shold also be close to the greatest mother who is the mother of all,with internal dedication. If you happend to get the intiation from guru, it is excellent otherwise you assume your guru is great shiva (Dakshina Murth / Adi Guru ),do salutations to him and start self initiation. Regards Ramana --- Maior <rory12001 > wrote: > Hello; > I'm new to this group, I'm an attorney-writer > female in my 40 > s & long time Buddhist practitioner. I've always > read a great deal in > Hinduism but never made a connection to the right > (for me) teacher or > teaching. I was initiated into Buddhist tantra and > realizing these are > all Sanskrit mantras and Hindu gods & goddesses read > further about the > tradition. > > And of course found this wonderful group and the > great big reading > list. I've read a few in the past; Avalon etc..I've > taken most of the > books out of the university library and am in the > process of reading > them. It's a great, great path > > My question is; not having been initiated by the > guru yet, is it > permissable to start chanting the Khadgamala Stotra > & Mantras? > > If not what is permissable to begin with? > many thanks > Cory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I wish to thank everyone here in this group for their explanations & advice, it is very much appreciated! Please continue - you can never have enough good advice or help. In my case, I was not a Tibetan Buddhist, I received initiation from the Japanese tradition, did some scholarly reading, I think there is just one book that traces Buddhist tantric practices back to India and the historical context. I'd also read a bit in Kashmiri tantrism years ago; and the Devi Gita & Lalita Sahasramana (from Ramakrishna order). So after reading a number of site articles, I have now & am reading: "The Goddess Lives in Upstate New York" -C. Dempsey "Auspicious Wisdom" D. Renfrew Brooks "The Secret of the Three Cities" ' ' "Devi Gita" Mackenzie Brown "The Living Goddess" Linda Johnson "The Roots of Tantra" K. Harper "Saundaryalahari" "Tantric Visons of the Divine Feminine" David Kinsely This seemed to me a good mix between intellectual & devotional. What do you think? At least now I know where reputable gurus are & that of course is a tremendous benefit. As I said I really appreciate all the help and advice. thanks again, Cory - In , "Llundrub" <llundrub wrote: > > Yes, you can chant the Khadgamala. But my opinion is that if you're a Buddhist and you wish to understand the mantra vidya which underlies much of Buddhism from the Hindu perspective then you would do maybe better to study the Lakshmi Tantra and the Lakshmi/Narasimha tantras, Upanishads, and related Shakta mantra vidya. As well as the Sri Vidya. But especially the Tarika mantra and its relatives. Just my two cents. > > Not that I find there to be a difference between Narayana/Lakshmi and Guru Rinpoche/Simhamukha. But most other Buddhits seem to have shallow understanding when it comes to Hinduism. At any rate, I applaud your interest in Hinduism which is really study of the Veda, which you might know as 'rigpa.' > > > > > > - > Maior > > Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:15 PM > new & starting.. > > > Hello; > I'm new to this group, I'm an attorney-writer female in my 40 > s & long time Buddhist practitioner. I've always read a great deal in > Hinduism but never made a connection to the right (for me) teacher or > teaching. I was initiated into Buddhist tantra and realizing these are > all Sanskrit mantras and Hindu gods & goddesses read further about the > tradition. > > And of course found this wonderful group and the great big reading > list. I've read a few in the past; Avalon etc..I've taken most of the > books out of the university library and am in the process of reading > them. It's a great, great path > > My question is; not having been initiated by the guru yet, is it > permissable to start chanting the Khadgamala Stotra & Mantras? > > If not what is permissable to begin with? > many thanks > Cory > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 , "Cory/Maior" <rory12001 wrote: > > [....] I have now & am > reading: > "The Goddess Lives in Upstate New York" -C. Dempsey > "Auspicious Wisdom" D. Renfrew Brooks > "The Secret of the Three Cities" ' ' > "Devi Gita" Mackenzie Brown > "The Living Goddess" Linda Johnson > "The Roots of Tantra" K. Harper > "Saundaryalahari" > "Tantric Visons of the Divine Feminine" David Kinsely An ambitious list; I hope to catch up with you reading-wise one of these days! I would add Devadatta Kali's luminous _In Praise of the Goddess: The Devimahatmya and Its Meaning_ -- not in an attempt to adjust the mix, but just because it's so exquisite. Welcome to the e-group! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Thanks for the welcome! great, what a nice addition -thank you. I love devotional literature..I'm working slowly:) Cory > An ambitious list; I hope to catch up with > you reading-wise one of these days! > > I would add Devadatta Kali's luminous _In Praise of the Goddess: The > Devimahatmya and Its Meaning_ -- not in an attempt to adjust the mix, > but just because it's so exquisite. > > Welcome to the e-group! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Cory, I know no-one needs permission to discover the Divine. And whose permission is it you seek ? If at all, connect to the Being who wrote the Stotra, through visualisation and intention, and seek permission there - within you. Your Guru is already with you, listen ! Look whom Lord Dattatreya had as Teachers Shri Dattatreya had twenty four teachers from nature "many are my preceptors," he told King Yadu, "selected by my keen sense, from whom acquiring wisdom freely, I wander in the world…. The earth, air/breeze, sky, fire, the sun, pigeon, python, sea, moth, elephant, ant, fish, Pingala the courtesan, arrow-maker, infant/playful boy, the moon, honeybee, deer, bird of prey, maiden, serpent, spider, caterpillar and water are my twenty four preceptors. http://www.shreeswami.org/about-shri-dattatreya-datta-guru-dattavtar.htm Much Love, Vir Maior <rory12001 > wrote: Hello; I'm new to this group, I'm an attorney-writer female in my 40 s & long time Buddhist practitioner. I've always read a great deal in Hinduism but never made a connection to the right (for me) teacher or teaching. I was initiated into Buddhist tantra and realizing these are all Sanskrit mantras and Hindu gods & goddesses read further about the tradition. And of course found this wonderful group and the great big reading list. I've read a few in the past; Avalon etc..I've taken most of the books out of the university library and am in the process of reading them. It's a great, great path My question is; not having been initiated by the guru yet, is it permissable to start chanting the Khadgamala Stotra & Mantras? If not what is permissable to begin with? many thanks Cory Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Ultimately, the path itself is the teacher...........the journey brings much along the way..........teaching comes from all directions.............be aware. At each point you get only as much as you can handle................. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote: Dear Cory, I know no-one needs permission to discover the Divine. And whose permission is it you seek ? If at all, connect to the Being who wrote the Stotra, through visualisation and intention, and seek permission there - within you. Your Guru is already with you, listen ! Look whom Lord Dattatreya had as Teachers Shri Dattatreya had twenty four teachers from nature "many are my preceptors," he told King Yadu, "selected by my keen sense, from whom acquiring wisdom freely, I wander in the world…. The earth, air/breeze, sky, fire, the sun, pigeon, python, sea, moth, elephant, ant, fish, Pingala the courtesan, arrow-maker, infant/playful boy, the moon, honeybee, deer, bird of prey, maiden, serpent, spider, caterpillar and water are my twenty four preceptors. http://www.shreeswami.org/about-shri-dattatreya-datta-guru-dattavtar.htm Much Love, Vir Maior <rory12001 > wrote: Hello; I'm new to this group, I'm an attorney-writer female in my 40 s & long time Buddhist practitioner. I've always read a great deal in Hinduism but never made a connection to the right (for me) teacher or teaching. I was initiated into Buddhist tantra and realizing these are all Sanskrit mantras and Hindu gods & goddesses read further about the tradition. And of course found this wonderful group and the great big reading list. I've read a few in the past; Avalon etc..I've taken most of the books out of the university library and am in the process of reading them. It's a great, great path My question is; not having been initiated by the guru yet, is it permissable to start chanting the Khadgamala Stotra & Mantras? If not what is permissable to begin with? many thanks Cory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Vir, This is a misinformation you have about Dattatreya and also about the indiscrimate use of tantric texts without the assistance of a living representative of these traditions. In dattatreya sampradaya and also in most Sadhu sampradayas like Natha and other Siddha traditions, Dattatreya is Adiguru he is the World Teacher, and he is immortal having existed continously for several kalpas, the way his incarnation in this kalpa illustrated the nature of the Guru Principle being embodied in all substances cannot be applied to refute the need for guidance of a Teacher for a average human being. This guidance is especially important in Shakta Tradition, maybe not so much in modern teachings like Ramana Maharishis Advaita, but there enlightment is reached by self knowledge not by using tantric sadhanas, this is an altogether different situation. Especially all the Traditions going back to Dattatreya consider the devotion to a living guru as the most important point in all their sadhana without which nothing can be achieved, but which is so powerful that in itself this devotion is enough to reach moksha and also to get help in all problems of daily life. Practicing without Devotion to Guru or hoping to receive the blessing or help of Dattatreya or any of Dattatreyas lineages while at the same time rejecting the need of a living Guru is not possible. Concerning khadgamala the opinions differ, some consider khadgamala a strotram and belive it can be practiced by all, others consider it a malamantra that requires iniitiation into at least the Bala Sundari mantra to be used effectively. The same diverse opinions exist concerning recitation of the Lalita Sahasranama. Practicing without a teacher should only be an intermediate situation, at least if one feels attracted to the differing tantric traditions. Mahahradanatha the miracle nath transfer 100 u$ to my playpal account at miracle_men (AT) yuhu (DOT) com and i solve all your problems. , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Dear Cory, > > I know no-one needs permission to discover the Divine. And whose permission is it you seek ? If at all, connect to the Being who wrote the Stotra, through visualisation and intention, and seek permission there - within you. > > Your Guru is already with you, listen ! > > Look whom Lord Dattatreya had as Teachers > > Shri Dattatreya had twenty four teachers from nature "many are my preceptors," he told King Yadu, "selected by my keen sense, from whom acquiring wisdom freely, I wander in the world…. The earth, air/breeze, sky, fire, the sun, pigeon, python, sea, moth, elephant, ant, fish, Pingala the courtesan, arrow-maker, infant/playful boy, the moon, honeybee, deer, bird of prey, maiden, serpent, spider, caterpillar and water are my twenty four preceptors. > > http://www.shreeswami.org/about-shri-dattatreya-datta-guru- dattavtar.htm > > Much Love, > > Vir > > Maior <rory12001 wrote: Hello; > I'm new to this group, I'm an attorney-writer female in my 40 > s & long time Buddhist practitioner. I've always read a great deal in > Hinduism but never made a connection to the right (for me) teacher or > teaching. I was initiated into Buddhist tantra and realizing these are > all Sanskrit mantras and Hindu gods & goddesses read further about the > tradition. > > And of course found this wonderful group and the great big reading > list. I've read a few in the past; Avalon etc..I've taken most of the > books out of the university library and am in the process of reading > them. It's a great, great path > > My question is; not having been initiated by the guru yet, is it > permissable to start chanting the Khadgamala Stotra & Mantras? > > If not what is permissable to begin with? > many thanks > Cory > > > > > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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