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Namaste Advaitins,

 

While reading the commentary of Swami Shankarananda Saraswati on the

9th chapter of the Bhagavadgita, in the first verse explanation, i

came across this sentence:

 

Vi~nAnam nAma aparOkSha-anubhavaH 'Brahmaivedam Sarvam', 'aham

Brahmasmi' ityAdi-shrutyukta-rItyA sarvasya svasya cha pratyakSheNa

brahma-mAtratva-vedanam, na tu 'pAtALe sUrya-grahaNam' itivat

taTasthArtha-avabodhanam.

 

The meaning is: 'Vi~nAnam'= direct experience of the exclusive

Brahman-hood of everything and also oneself as taught in the

Srutis 'All this is Brahman alone', 'I am Brahman'. This experience

is directly had, that is with no mediacy, unlike the indirect

knowledge had from the expression 'a solar eclipse in the nether

regions'.

 

Would anyone please enlighten me about the 'pAtALe sUrya-

grahaNam'= 'a solar eclipse in the nether regions'expression? Is

there an impossibility in the direct meaning just as in 'gangaayaam

ghoShaH'= a village in the Ganges? In this, latter case, the final

meaning is 'since that is an impossibility, the expression denotes a

village situated on the banks of the Ganga.

 

Thanks and Pranams

subbu

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>"subrahmanian_v" <subrahmanian_v >

 

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>Vi~nAnam nAma aparOkSha-anubhavaH 'Brahmaivedam Sarvam', 'aham

>Brahmasmi' ityAdi-shrutyukta-rItyA sarvasya svasya cha pratyakSheNa

>brahma-mAtratva-vedanam, na tu 'pAtALe sUrya-grahaNam' itivat

>taTasthArtha-avabodhanam.

>

>

>Would anyone please enlighten me about the 'pAtALe sUrya-

>grahaNam'= 'a solar eclipse in the nether regions'expression? Is

>there an impossibility in the direct meaning just as in 'gangaayaam

>ghoShaH'= a village in the Ganges? In this, latter case, the final

>meaning is 'since that is an impossibility, the expression denotes a

>village situated on the banks of the Ganga.

>

>Thanks and Pranams

>subbu

 

Ssubbu - PraNAms

 

This is how I would understand.

 

AtmajnAnam is aparoxam in the sense it is aprameyam - since it is a

self-evident. Hence no indirect or pramAna is required to establish that I

am Brahman. Vedas only reveal the truth in removing my notions about

myself. I am sure you are familiar with all this.

 

Where as the second statement related to Surya grahaNam in the PaTAla is not

directly known through pratyaxa and has to be known, if at all, by

anumaana. The laxaNas that you are referring to jaha and ajahallaxanas are

differt from Tatasta laxana that the author mentions. He says the knowledge

of the' sUrya grahaNam in pAtala' - iti vat or like that kinds of knowledge

are of the form 'taTasta artha avabhodam' - incendental types of knowledge

which can gained through pramANas -here mostly anaumaana pramAna since it is

not available for pratyaxa anyway unless one happen to live in pAtAla. It is

neither jaha or ajahallaxana here. It could be a shaastra pramAna, I am not

sure if any shastra talks about the sunrise and sunset in pAtAla to have

surya grahaNam. It is similar to Brahman is the cause for the creation -

which is only taTasta laxaNa.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

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advaitin, "Kuntimaddi Sadananda"

<k_sadananda wrote:

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> Ssubbu - PraNAms

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> This is how I would understand.

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-here mostly anaumaana pramAna since it is

> not available for pratyaxa anyway unless one happen to live in

pAtAla. It could be a shaastra pramAna, I am not sure if any

shastra talks about the sunrise and sunset in pAtAla to have surya

grahaNam.

> Hari OM!

> Sadananda

 

 

Namaste Sada ji

Thanks for the reply. More than it being anumana pramana, it appears

to be shaastra pramana. In anumana there is a dependence on

pratyaksha for the known portion and the inference for the unknown

portion (like the smoke is seen with the eyes and the unseen fire is

inferred). In this Surya grahanam in Paataala, such cannot be the

case. So, what appears to be the instrument is the shaastra pramanam

like in the case of the existence of svarga.

Let us see if any more inputs come in deciding this matter.

 

Regards,

subbu

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