A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Rahu in Lagna [X admin.]

[Guest guest]

I generally tend in such situations to go ahead and implement as in

start utilizing the proposal and not wait for some general consensus!

Lord knows the club jyotish still has not been able to reach

consensus on things such as ayanamsha, houses, mean or true position

of nodes, dignity signs for lunar nodes, mangal dosh, sade sati,

where does the list end ...!

 

RR

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji,

>

> Sometimes, i feel - forum must also permit to create sub

forums for various subjects..and this flag, can also save lots of

time for the forum participants. like, I use web based mailing (to

avoid bulk mails / spams, virus attacks; and to keep my professional

mails seperated from the other areas of interests) - it becomes handy

to preserve the threads for future references and delete the mails of

non interest (e.g. chart reading requests etc) from the header itself

(yes, MS Outlook can also be used for this).

>

> Once we start implementing this, there will be consensus drawn in

due course - on its operating model.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

>

>

> >

> > jyotish_vani

> > Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:48:24 -0000

> >

> > A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Re: Rahu in Lagna [X

admin.]

> >

> > Thanks Prafulla. The only caution I would like to sound is that

> > individuals would have different tolerances to the number of

labels ;-

> > ) and that could create problems and frustrations for some. The

other

> > option can be a short keyword instead of a letter code [tech],

> > [reading], [admin], [promo], [gen], [writing] or ]literature],

[stock

> > market], [quiz], [news item], etc.

> >

> > I would generally avoid names of individuals in headers. If one

wants

> > to write to the person alone, use private email.

> >

> > I find that the new interface shows all the messages

connected

> > to a stem and branches regardless of if someone changed the

header or

> > not. This is a big step forward, because now people can change the

> > subject heading to reflect the message content, rather than using

> > Rahu in Lagna and talking about Bandung conference or players

> > therein. This is not being stated critically or sarcastically but

in

> > a matter-of-fact manner.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Ranjan ji

> >>

> >> Wonderful suggestion of list mail segregation. The more tags can

be

> > added like chart reading request (CR), research mail (RM) etc.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> The only difference between men and boys is the price of their

toys.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> jyotish_vani@

> >>> Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:40:52 -0000

> >>>

> >>> A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Re: Rahu in Lagna [X

> > admin.]

> >>>

> >>> Dear Pratapji and others.

> >>> Yes that is a wise decision and the thread has perhaps

> > accomplished

> >>> what it was initiated for.

> >>>

> >>> Since in a large forum like this, there are bound to be people

> > with

> >>> wide variations of tolerance and widely different styles of

> >>> expression, there are bound to be digressions and frustrations

> > from

> >>> time to time. Being several times a named party who tends to

talk

> >>> about things and aspects of human experience other than

technical

> >>> jyotish, and a heavy duty practitioner of "Read only what one

> > likes",

> >>> I have often wondered why people get so irritated. It is so easy

> > to

> >>> skip the messages you don't like! Then someone pointed out that

> > some

> >>> of us receive ALL emails in their mailboxes (despite clear

volume

> >>> alerts in the home page) and have no choice over selective

> >>> downloading. I can realize that even though they can still

quickly

> >>> skim and skip, but the downloading part is unalterable and it

> > could

> >>> tie their phone line if they are on a modem service and

> > particularly

> >>> in a region where phone service is subject to powers greater

than

> >>> Jyotish with the reliability of less than 1!

> >>>

> >>> Unfortunately, I cannot help them with a solution but to ease

the

> >>> pain, I have a proposal. How about if each serious poster and

> >>> responder use a message content flag system? When we reply to a

> >>> message, we can either insert a code (see below) to indicate the

> >>> nature of response and to avoid the header getting too long,

> > replace

> >>> the earlier code that gets copied in the header:

> >>> T: Jyotish technical

> >>> R: Remedies technical

> >>> RG: Remedies general

> >>> P: Philosophical

> >>> X: miscellaneous, literary or information

> >>> If there are multiple content types, we can use the dominant

> > theme or

> >>> themes just to keep it simple, eg. TP would be technical and

> >>> philosophical, TG could be technical and general, etc.

> >>>

> >>> See example in the header of this message.

> >>>

> >>> I know it is a bit tedious sounding at first but once we get

into

> > the

> >>> discipline of doing this, it will become second nature. And web

> >>> readers could perhaps benefit from this coding more.

> > Unfortunately,

> >>> the downloading woes cannot be solved. Postings without such

> > codings

> >>> would risk being ignored. THEN after this the discipline falls

on

> > the

> >>> shoulder of the reader! If they go ahead and read out of

> >>> uncontrollable curiosity and come out disappointed, well they

had

> > the

> >>> warning!

> >>>

> >>> The only other way to control messages would be a rather strict

> >>> moderation and most general forums do not like that because

> > readers

> >>> do not like that. It is a fine line as long as the purpose is

> > clear.

> >>>

> >>> RR

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Pratap Kaneria

> >>> <pkaneria@> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> RRji,

> >>>>

> >>>> Thank you for all the time you have devoted on this thread.

> > Yes I

> >>> have heard of Shri Karveji in Bombay and I am going to look him

> > up if

> >>> God ever give me permission to visit India in near future (I

> > haven't

> >>> been to India since 1985 for one or other reasons). I will

advise

> > the

> >>> forum if I find any significant information regarding wartime

etc.

> >>>>

> >>>> I will stop right here because this thread has gone on for

long

> >>> and other readers might be getting irritated.

> >>>>

> >>>> With Regards,

> >>>>

> >>>> Pratap

> >>>>

> >>>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >>>> Pratapji,

> >>>> DST (Wartime) was applied in these three provinces (Bengal,

Assam

> >>> and

> >>>> Bihar) but at different dates than the rest of the country

> >>> according

> >>>> to the source (details in earlier email):

> >>>> Bengal for instance had WT from 1941 october to mid may 1942

and

> >>>> again from sept 1942 to oct 47. Most of the country observed WT

> >>> from

> >>>> 1 september 1942 to 15 october 1945.

> >>>> Even standard time in India came in bits and pieces, starting

in

> >>> 1907

> >>>> with Calcutta adopting ST the last (1st oct 1941). To make

> > matters

> >>>> even more hair-raising for jyotishis the ST meridian initially

> > was

> >>>> 82E30, then became 97E30 and finally in 1947 the current

meridian

> >>> on

> >>>> 82E30 was adopted. Smaller towns had their own variations. So

> > even

> >>>> when accurate times are known one should watch out for these

and

> >>>> similar considerations particularly when using software that

does

> >>> not

> >>>> use some of the standard atlases (such as ACS -- though even

> > there

> >>> in

> >>>> the odd place there can be errors). Your best bet might be to

> > find

> >>> a

> >>>> person who lived in those times where you were born and was

> >>>> knowledgeable about the time standards used back then (ST, LMT

> >>> etc).

> >>>> Watch time alone would not help because it could be set to

> > whatever

> >>>> was in vogue and what was in vogue we do not know.

> >>>>

> >>>> I can relate to your feeling of uncertainty and frustration.

Once

> >>>> someone has become used to a horoscope for some time it is a

big

> >>>> mindset switch to then see it being replaced by a very

different

> >>> one,

> >>>> even if it is significant vargas that have changed. I have

heard

> >>> from

> >>>> someone that in Bombay or Poona there is a yogi Karveji who has

> >>> been

> >>>> known to reliably generate birthtimes by seeing a person or

even

> > by

> >>>> talking to him on telephone. His children also have this gift.

I

> >>>> think Mr. KN Rao has also written about this family. You might

> > wish

> >>>> to enquire into this if you absolutely must have your

horoscope.

> >>> Like

> >>>> they say, Jahan Chah wahan rah!

> >>>>

> >>>> If you do find more information about the time standards used

in

> >>>> Gujrat or specific place etc, please let us know.

> >>>>

> >>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>

> >>>> Rohiniranjan

> >>>> , Pratap Kaneria

> >>>>

> >>>> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> RRji,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I was born in a small town and my mother remembers my

birthtime

> >>>> as 10pm. Now was it adjusted time due to war and not, I don't

> > know

> >>>> but intend to find out. This morning I jokingly told my wife

> > that I

> >>>> am going to find a birthtime which will predict moon for me and

> >>> then

> >>>> I will settle on it. Actually in your email you quoted a source

> >>> that

> >>>> said that the war time was followed in India except Bengal,

> > Orissa

> >>>> etc. But could it be other way around? Japan had joined Hitler

in

> >>> the

> >>>> war and was progressing toward India via Burma. Therefore it

> > seems

> >>>> logical to me that the war time probably was imposed in the

> > eastern

> >>>> states of India and not in western states.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> You may be quite right about birth time rectification methods.

> >>>> Interpretation of dasa's is also very subjective and not

> >>> definitive.

> >>>> Actually as I see, if I can ascertain my navamsa or dasamsa

lagna

> >>>> that should be good enough because most practising astrologers

> >>> hardly

> >>>> ever go beyond navamsa/dasamsa. I think Shri Ashutoshji

selected

> >>>> Aquarius lagna for my navamsa because that will put my exalted

> > moon

> >>>> in fourth house of navamsa. No dasa periods are going to

> > perfectly

> >>>> align with the events of one's life.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Anyway, at present I am doing this to advance my knowledge of

> >>>> astrology and may be to be able to predict a happy dream event

or

> >>>> some of my friends. I never want to hear about coming

problems. I

> >>>> just want to hear about pending good events. May be that is how

> >>> most

> >>>> people are. Life is not worth living if there is no dream.

Dream

> >>> may

> >>>> or may not come true but sure helps you deal with current

> > struggles

> >>>> which are always going on no matter what. At different age,

just

> >>> the

> >>>> focus changes.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Anyway thanks for your attention!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> With Regards,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Pratap

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> crystal pages wrote:

> >>>>> Pratap ji,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> You mentioned that you have doubts about your birthtime and

> >>> wartime

> >>>>> etc. The latter should be easier to figure out and probably

more

> >>>>> substantial (1h difference). What was the source of your

> >>> birthtime?

> >>>>> Was it something you were told by one of your parents or was

it

> >>>>> written down in a family diary or document such as birthchart

> >>>>> prepared around birth?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Fact of the matter is that methods of rectification, though

many

> >>>> and

> >>>>> used and claimed by many to be fail-proof are generally not

so.

> >>>>> Horoscopic traits and even event analysis again are not

> >>> absolutely

> >>>>> perfect because astrological deductions are not absolute or

> > based

> >>>> on

> >>>>> a perfect correlation between planetary configurations and

> >>>>> traits/events. In fact there have been studies done where

> >>>> individuals

> >>>>> were given a variety of readings, some based on their charts,

> >>>> others

> >>>>> based on other charts and the acceptance of both groups did

not

> >>>> turn

> >>>>> out to be significantly different. People saw themselves in

> >>>> readings

> >>>>> which were based on their chart as well as the ones that were

> >>>> random.

> >>>>> Most people are far more complex and varied than any reading

> > they

> >>>> ar

> >>>>> given based on traits and tendencies, so there is always

> >>> something

> >>>>> that shows up that fits. In fact this is the reason why people

> >>> even

> >>>>> fit with their sunsign readings which are based on a different

> >>>>> zodiac. I think there is a name for this phenomenon -- Barnum

> >>>> effect,

> >>>>> if I recall correctly.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> If you are really serious about it you should research the

> > source

> >>>> of

> >>>>> birthtime and ascertain what is the story there.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Just a thought,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> RR

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

> >>>>>

> >>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always

> >>>> believed

> >>>>> in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

> >>>>> dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication

> >>> with

> >>>>> him.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

> >>>>> couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am

> >>> lazy

> >>>>> when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up

late,

> >>> get

> >>>>> up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking

> >>> for

> >>>>> short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of

> >>> brains.

> >>>>> For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs

> >>>> trying

> >>>>> to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent

may

> >>> be

> >>>>> 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and

> > suddenly.

> >>>>> When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either

reading

> >>>> books

> >>>>> on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am

> > figuring

> >>>>> out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite

> >>>> extemist

> >>>>> in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't

> >>> like

> >>>>> it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will

> > do

> >>>> it

> >>>>> intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

> >>>>> confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> >>>>>> of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

> >>>>> confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My

> >>> opinions

> >>>>> hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very

> > adaptable,

> >>>> can

> >>>>> put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need

to.

> >>> I

> >>>> am

> >>>>> self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was

> >>> very

> >>>>> ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have

> >>> knowledge

> >>>>> of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I

> > am

> >>>> not

> >>>>> a good student in the sense that I always question anything

> >>> taught

> >>>> to

> >>>>> me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get

you

> >>>>> interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that

> >>> will

> >>>>> come true in near future.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections.

> >>> And

> >>>>> that is why I was inquiring about the application of

divisional

> >>>>> charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about

> > astrology

> >>>> and

> >>>>> all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

> >>>>> contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few

> >>>> people

> >>>>> who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

> >>>>> prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past

> > event

> >>>> can

> >>>>> be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because

> > there

> >>>> are

> >>>>> thousands of rules to choose from.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not

> >>> believe

> >>>>> in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person

happy

> >>> in

> >>>>> all aspects of life.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Pratap

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

> >>>>>> I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka

for

> >>>>> mother

> >>>>>> in certain contexts.

> >>>>>> So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the

parents!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was

> >>>> there

> >>>>>> something with the type of education that you found yourself

in

> >>>> or

> >>>>>> the educational system, the entire experience that could

> >>> connect

> >>>>> with

> >>>>>> the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem

to

> >>> be

> >>>>> an

> >>>>>> undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion

and

> >>>>> lack

> >>>>>> of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source

> >>> of

> >>>>> your

> >>>>>> astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you

are

> >>>> not

> >>>>>> all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to

> >>>> portray

> >>>>>> yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World

> >>>> (predates

> >>>>>> my computers and software and it states:

> >>>>>> DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> >>>>>> Bengal province (specific dates given)

> >>>>>> Assam province (sp dates)

> >>>>>> Bihar province (sp dates)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Gujrat is not mentioned!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do

some

> >>>>> more

> >>>>>> research and find out what was really being followed in

Dohraji

> >>>> at

> >>>>>> the time of your birth!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all

> >>> that

> >>>>> bad,

> >>>>>> trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave,

eating

> >>>>> roots

> >>>>>> and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We

decided

> >>> to

> >>>>>> crawl out of the caves!!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching

> >>> your

> >>>>>> astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I say that with all sincerity!!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> RR

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Respected RRji,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> >>>>>> relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout.

As

> >>>> far

> >>>>> as

> >>>>>> my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I

> >>> was

> >>>> a

> >>>>>> favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that

during

> >>> my

> >>>>>> master's program (US), my professor came to me during the

final

> >>>>> exam

> >>>>>> of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I

> >>> knew

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>> subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of

> >>> the

> >>>>>> greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I

worked,

> >>>> my

> >>>>>> managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To

> >>> summarize,

> >>>> I

> >>>>>> must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got

> >>> along

> >>>>> with

> >>>>>> elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic

> >>>> planets

> >>>>>> seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out

really

> >>>> who

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>> malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to

> >>>> rectify

> >>>>>> my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work.

This

> >>>> new

> >>>>>> time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes

to

> >>>>>> Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> >>>>>> vargottam.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> With Regards,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Pratap

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

> >>>>>>> How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

> >>>> rahu

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

> >>> between

> >>>>> you

> >>>>>>> and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point

> >>> in

> >>>>>> life?

> >>>>>>> Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Thanks

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> RR

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Respected RRji,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu

> >>> in

> >>>>>>> Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

> >>>>> always -

> >>>>>>> - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.'

> >>> does

> >>>>> not

> >>>>>>> apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy

> >>> going,

> >>>>> lazy

> >>>>>>> and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost

everyone

> >>>>> until

> >>>>>>> proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> >>>>>> nature,

> >>>>>>> I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

> >>>> and

> >>>>>>> family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> >>>>>> looking

> >>>>>>> at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> My birth data is

> >>>>>>>> DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27,

> >>> 21N44

> >>>>>>> (Dhoraji, India)

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> With Regards,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Pratap

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> vijayamalur wrote:

> >>>>>>>> Dear sir

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in

> >>> lagna.

> >>>>>> Infact

> >>>>>>> i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in

> >>> lagna

> >>>> as

> >>>>>> The

> >>>>>>> latter would

> >>>>>>>> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

> >>>> up

> >>>>>>> losing a

> >>>>>>>> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> >>>>> loved

> >>>>>>> ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of

negativitiy

> >>>> of

> >>>>>> mine

> >>>>>>> to my family sir

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

> >>>> reduce

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>>> ill effect of it

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> best regards

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> vijaya

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> -

> >>>>>>>> crystal pages

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> >>>>>>>> Re: Rahu in Lagna

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Dear Milind,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is

> >>> creating?

> >>>>>>>> Please describe for my benefit what your belief is

> >>> regarding

> >>>>>>> mantras?

> >>>>>>>> Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

> >>>> get

> >>>>>>> fixed

> >>>>>>>> (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it

> >>> makes

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>>> native

> >>>>>>>> very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

> >>>> that

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> >>>>>>> materialistically,

> >>>>>>>> but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

> >>>> their

> >>>>>>> lifeplan

> >>>>>>>> but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

> >>>> latter

> >>>>>>> would

> >>>>>>>> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

> >>>> up

> >>>>>>> losing a

> >>>>>>>> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> >>>>> loved

> >>>>>>> ones.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

> >>>>> characteristics

> >>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>> that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

> >>> sometimes

> >>>>>>> offers

> >>>>>>>> the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

> >>>> not

> >>>>>>> always

> >>>>>>>> need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

> >>>> your

> >>>>>>> data, I

> >>>>>>>> could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

> >>>>> really

> >>>>>>>> looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want

> >>> to

> >>>> do

> >>>>>> so

> >>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>> someone will pick up the thread.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

> >>> fixed

> >>>>>> box!

> >>>>>>> In

> >>>>>>>> the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

> >>>>> roles

> >>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>> bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

> >>>> closed

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> window of our mind!

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> RR

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> , "padhyemilind2002"

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Hello

> >>>>>>>>> In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

> >>>> wherever

> >>>>> it

> >>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

> >>>> Sun

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

> >>>> other

> >>>>>>> planets

> >>>>>>>>> have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

> >>>> 29.53

> >>>>>>> degrees

> >>>>>>>>> in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd

> >>> position,

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>>> hence

> >>>>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>> get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> >>>>>> positions.

> >>>>>>> Any

> >>>>>>>>> ideas?

> >>>>>>>>> Thanks

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>