The Web of Words- Shabda Jaalam !

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Folks :

 

It is my pleasure to share these two verses from Viveka chudamani!

 

Sloka 60:

 

"Vaagvaikharee, Sabdajharee, Saastra vyakhyana kausalam br>Vaidushyam,

Vidushaam, Tadvad-bhuktaye, Na tu mukataye."

 

"Loud speech consisting of a shower of words, the skill

in expounding the scriptures, and likewise erudition

- these merely bring on a little personal enjoyment

to the scholar, but are no good for liberation."

 

("Bhukti" also means the earning of one's bread. Erudition

helps in earning one's bread - ) "Loud speech "

- speech is divided into four kinds according to

its degree of subtlety. "Vaikhari" is the lowest

class1 and represents articulate speech. Hence, dabbling

in words is meant."

 

Sloka 62:

 

"Sabba-jaalam Mahaaranyam, Chitta Bhramana Kaarakam, Atah prayatnaa -

gjnatavyam, Tattvagjnaa - ttattva maatmanaha."

 

"My dear seeker," warns Sankara, "words are hypnosis. Words are a

dense forest. Try entering them without adequate preparation

and you are sure to lose your way and sanity. If you

are serious about learning, do not get lost but seek

the guidance of a teacher who is 'aware'."

 

Thank you Peter For quoting verse 62 recently . Just a gentle

reminder once more to all of us not to get caught in this web of

words .

 

 

love and regards

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--- dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati > wrote:

 

dhyanasaraswariji - PraNAms.

I am getting your posts in doubles! Have you become dvaitin by any

chance!?

 

Yes, you are abolutely right, we need to minimize our shabda jaalam.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

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Sadar Pranaams , sadaji !

 

Am i dvaitin or an advaitin ? A million dollar questiobn ! Who am i ?

 

may i please recall here a famous verse from a Tantra Text

 

Antah-shaktah,

Bahih-shaivah.

sabhayang vaishnavahmatah

nana – rupadharah kaulah vicharanti mahitale

 

TRANSLATION

 

outwardly A Shaivaite

in gatherings, A Vaishnava;

at heart, A Shakta

under various forms the Kaulas wander on earth

 

Yes! that is the hallmark of a 'kaula' - he/she does not belong to

any sect . For a kalua, a form is everything and a form is nothing !

Therefore a kaula does not worry whether Sri Dakshinamurthy is shown

with his hands in chinmudra position and eyes closed or open or

whether Sri Dakshinamurthy's icon is depicted with 'veena' in his

hands ! smile !

 

Therefore, Sadaji and others , we should not be attached to labels or

forms or idealogies- nothing should be a bond!

 

Sri Ramakrishna was the perfect example of a Kaula - He would do

abisheka to all the 12 jyotirlingas in the sri dakshineshwer temple

and dress up like a shaivite but in gatherings he will always be

singing and dancing like a vaishnavite praising the leela of lord

krishna and of course at hear he was a great devotee of mother kali ,

a true shakta! Was Sri Ramakrishna , not a brahma jnani ?

 

Sadaji, may i share this verse from Adi shankara's Jivan-Muktananda

lahari

 

siváyáç sambhorvá kvacidapi ca vinúïorapi kadá

gaïádhyakúasyápi prakaûa tapanasyápi ca kadá

Paûhanvai námálim nayana racitánanda salilo

munir na vyámoham bhajati gurudèkúákúata tamáç (7)

 

Chanting the many names with tears of joy welling in the eyes,

Sometimes of the consort of Siva (Sakti), at times of Sambhu (Siva),

sometimes of Vishnu , And then of Ganapati and sometimes of the

visible Sun; The sage, with ignorance dispelled by Guru's grace

(dèksá), is not at all deluded.

 

(www.kamakoti.org)

 

BTW, Sadaji, i apologize for not showing up at the lecture. With

house full of guests for the holiday weekend july 4th, i am cooking

and cleaning most of the time! A woman's job never ends!

 

i don't know why my posts are appearing twice? either they take

forever to appear or when they appear , they are either duplicated or

triplicated! This is also MAya!

 

Harihi Aum!

 

-- In advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda

<kuntimaddisada wrote:

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> --- dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote:

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> dhyanasaraswariji - PraNAms.

> I am getting your posts in doubles! Have you become dvaitin by any

> chance!?

>

> Yes, you are abolutely right, we need to minimize our shabda

jaalam.

>

> Hari OM!

> Sadananda

>

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sarasvatiamma,

what a profound statement!

Yes words can reveal aham BrahmAsmi!

Words can also confuse the same. Depending on the adhikAri.

As long as one is silent, one may pose to be a pundita, the moment one begins to speak.............!

Human beings can be very miserly with regards to money due to insecurity but very generous with words not knowing the implications.

I better stop here because my own words will reveal my pAndityam!

om namo nArayanAya.

Lakshmi Muthuswamy

 

 

 

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Dearest Sri Lakshmi :

 

You are a blessing to this holy satsangha . i enjoy reading all your

posts and learn so much from them . In fact , after reading your posts

,now i am inspired to read Swami Dayananda's works. The Arshgokulam is

also nearby ( 2 hours drive) to where i live so i may even visit that

place ! My point is one can read all the vedas , upanishads and the

scriptures with a view to share the teachings therein but never to

win an argument or show off one's 'pandityam' ! would you not agree ?

 

Let me share a story with you all

 

Once King Janaka was sitting on the bank of a river , REpeating

'SOHAM' mantra at the top of his voice.

 

Sage ASHTAVAKRA was passing by. the sage was a knower of truth and an

enlightened being. He was surprised why king Janaka was chanting the

mantra in this loud fashion.

 

ASHTAVAKRA wanted to instruct King Janaka the proper way of

chanting a mantra. SO, he sat down near King Janaka and chanting

loudly, :

'

"This is my Alms Bowl and this is my Yoga Stick " so much

so that ASTHAVAKRA'S MANTRA DROWNED KING JANAKA'S MANTRA !

 

 

Now, King Janaka , not to be left behind starting chanting

his 'SOHAM ' mantra even louder --- this went on for some time -both

vyeing witH each other in this 'mantra recitation'....

 

now, King Janaka got really annoyed and asked asthavakra what the sage

waS doing- the sage replied " i am repeating - this is my Alms bowl,

this is my yoga stick. "

 

King Janaka replied, " Have you lost your MIND? Who told you that the

Alms bowl and the stick do not belong to you ? Why do you have to

keep shouting about it.?"

 

Sage ASHTAVAKRA replied , " O Mighty King ! It seems to me you are

the one who lacks understanding. who told you that you are

not 'THAT '? Why do you to go on shouting THAT 'i AM tHAT' ? 'SO

HAM' ?

 

When king Janaka heard this, he suddenly realized the truth- he

understood that he need not go on repeating 'SO Ham' mantra , he only

needed to understand it and practice 'living' it!!!!!!!!

 

'You are really unbound and actionless, self-illuminating and

spotless already. The cause of your bondage is that you are still

resorting to stilling the mind.'

 

Ashtavakra Gita 1.15

 

after reading your post, i am reminded of what my grandma used to

say ' Sivanasne Summa iru' ( tamil - if you do not know something

just be quiet - may be applies to all who are still ignorant of the

real meaning of 'Summa Iru' - 'be still' ! can i dare to say 'aham

brahmasmi' when the Aham is bigger than my Thumb AND SMALLER THAN THE

EIFFEL TOWER? SMILE!

 

love and blessings

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Lakshmi Muthuswamy <lakmuthu wrote:

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> sarasvatiamma,

>

> what a profound statement!

>

> Yes words can reveal aham BrahmAsmi!

>

> Words can also confuse the same. Depending on the adhikAri.

>

> As long as one is silent, one may pose to be a pundita, the moment

one begins to speak.............!

>

> Human beings can be very miserly with regards to money due to

insecurity but very generous with words not knowing the implications.

>

> I better stop here because my own words will reveal my pAndityam!

>

> om namo nArayanAya.

>

> Lakshmi Muthuswamy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

>

>

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Namaste Sarasvatiji,

The phrase “summa iru” has reminded me an oft repeated story by Swami Dayandaji in Class.

In a temple there was a person who used to sit in one corner of the temple. The person who wore and ochre robe clad around his waist, a rudrakhsa strung in a string around hia neck and vibhuti smeared on his forehead sitting inside or outside a temple is addressed as ‘Sami’

The story is about one such Sami who enters the outside prAhAra of the temple as and when the temple opens early morning, occupies his usual place in a corner. He sits there the whole day till the temple closes for the night without moving or talking to any one.

The usual procedure in the temple for years has been to give one Patta of rice i.e a big flattened ball of rice for each of the persons who work or do their kainkaryam on a regular basis. Our Sami also was being given and written in the records but no contribution of seva of any kind from him.

A new Dharmadhikari took over the administration of the temple. He checked the records and questioned regarding the rice given to the Sami. He wanted to stop this as the Sami was simply sitting quiet the whole day doing no work what so ever.

The others did not welcome this idea. They suggested to him after great deliberation to try sitting for one day like the Sami and then make a decision. The Dharmadhikari agreed.

Next day morning he sat next to him. A few minutes passed, he began to wriggle and then a little later he became so uncomfortable and restless. He could not sit or stat quiet even for 20 mins. No question of sitting for a day. He realised what a great Mahatma tha Sami was and passed an order saying ‘summa irundha Samikki erundu pattai’ give two balls of rice for the quiet Sami.

Staying put in one place, sitting quiet is not all that easy. Beginning stages dhyana is recommended for 20 mins and to be increased gradually.

(These is my personal experinece

The lips may not move or the organs of speech may not move. What about mental chatter?

During japa, it becomes mechanical chanting of the names of the lord and the mind in the background goes on a chatter trip. Even chanting alod can become mechanical once it is committed to memory.

Not to speak of mental chanting. One can even go to sleep or can get lost..)

Dhyanam is a manasam karma. In dhyAnam, there is a directed mental activity in all awareness. We do an elaborate ritual in the mind - mAnasa puja using the verses like Shiva mAnasa puja or Vishnu mAnasa puja etc

dhyana can be defined as saguna – brahma vishaya – mAnasa vyApAra.

GuNa means attributes. SaguNa means along with attributes.

Brahman is satyam jnanam anatam brahma. It is attribute-free, nirguna limitless consciousness, which is the truth of everything and the nature of the Self Atman.

With mAya-sakti its is Isvara, it is saguNa.

Brahman always means nirguNa

Isvara means bhaga- bhagavAn one who has the limitless guNas like sovereignty, aisvaraya, knowledge, jnAna etc. everything is a manifestation of the Saguna Brahma therefore the manifest for will be saguna. For eg AkAsha , vayu, agni etc.

Even the unmanifset is also saguNa. Eg, the seed. In which the tree is not seen though nit has all the guNAs of the tree latent in it.. Satva rajas tamas are all there in unmanifest condition. There fore saguNa brahma is bhagavAn.

Vishaya is object, mAnasa - mental vyApAra - activity

I began with the story intending to write on silence and I have ended up with dhyanam. All bhagavat chittam.

Om namo narayanaya

Lakshmi Muthuswamy

 

 

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Namaste Sarasvatiji,

The phrase “summa iru” has reminded me an oft repeated story by Swami Dayanandaji in Class.

In a temple there was a person who used to sit in one corner of the temple. The person who wore and ochre robe clad around his waist, a rudrakhsa strung in a string around hia neck and vibhuti smeared on his forehead sitting inside or outside a temple is addressed as ‘Sami’

The story is about one such Sami who enters the outside prAhAra of the temple as and when the temple opens early morning, occupies his usual place in a corner. He sits there the whole day till the temple closes for the night without moving or talking to any one.

The usual procedure in the temple for years has been to give one Patta of rice i.e a big flattened ball of rice for each of the persons who work or do their kainkaryam on a regular basis. Our Sami also was being given and written in the records but no contribution of seva of any kind from him.

A new Dharmadhikari took over the administration of the temple. He checked the records and questioned regarding the rice given to the Sami. He wanted to stop this as the Sami was simply sitting quiet the whole day doing no work what so ever.

The others did not welcome this idea. They suggested to him after great deliberation to try sitting for one day like the Sami and then make a decision. The Dharmadhikari agreed.

Next day morning he sat next to him. A few minutes passed, he began to wriggle and then a little later he became so uncomfortable and restless. He could not sit or stat quiet even for 20 mins. No question of sitting for a day. He realised what a great Mahatma tha Sami was and passed an order saying ‘summa irundha Samikki erundu pattai’ give two balls of rice for the quiet Sami.

Staying put in one place, sitting quiet is not all that easy. Beginning stages dhyana is recommended for 20 mins and to be increased gradually.

(These is my personal experinece

The lips may not move or the organs of speech may not move. What about mental chatter?

During japa, it becomes mechanical chanting of the names of the lord and the mind in the background goes on a chatter trip. Even chanting alod can become mechanical once it is committed to memory.

Not to speak of mental chanting. One can even go to sleep or can get lost..)

Dhyanam is a manasam karma. In dhyAnam, there is a directed mental activity in all awareness. We do an elaborate ritual in the mind - mAnasa puja using the verses like Shiva mAnasa puja or Vishnu mAnasa puja etc

dhyana can be defined as saguna – brahma vishaya – mAnasa vyApAra.

GuNa means attributes. SaguNa means along with attributes.

Brahman is satyam jnanam anatam brahma. It is attribute-free, nirguna limitless consciousness, which is the truth of everything and the nature of the Self Atman.

With mAya-sakti its is Isvara, it is saguNa.

Brahman always means nirguNa

Isvara means bhaga- bhagavAn one who has the limitless guNas like sovereignty, aisvaraya, knowledge, jnAna etc. everything is a manifestation of the Saguna Brahma therefore the manifest for will be saguna. For eg AkAsha , vayu, agni etc.

Even the unmanifset is also saguNa. Eg, the seed. In which the tree is not seen though nit has all the guNAs of the tree latent in it.. Satva rajas tamas are all there in unmanifest condition. There fore saguNa brahma is bhagavAn.

Vishaya is object, mAnasa - mental vyApAra - activity

I began with the story intending to write on silence and I have ended up with dhyanam. All bhagavat chittam.

yA devi sarva bhUteshu vritti rUpeNa samstithA, namastasmai, namastasmai, namastasmai namo namah.

Om namo narayanaya

Lakshmi Muthuswamy

 

 

 

 

 

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namaste Sarasvatiji,

"Am i dvaitin or an advaitin ? A million dollar questiobn ! Who am i ?"

"Am I Kaulah?" isnt this another addition to the list of words?

om namo narayanaya

Lakshmi Muthuswamy

 

 

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praNAms

Hare Krishna

 

what an irony!!! the thread against *shabda jAlaM* has already attracted

more than ten lengthy *shabda jAlaM* mails:-))...Perhaps it would be

appropriate to say * yA dEvi sarva bhUtEshu *web of words* rupENa

saMstitha*...

 

*chumma iru* is still *romba dooraM* for us :-))

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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Namaste All,

I remember, in one of his lectures, Swami Dayananda Saraswati saying:

"DarpanE Mukhadarshanavat ShAstre Atma Darshanam"

(Having a vision of Atma by looking into the Shastra, is just like seeing one's face in a mirror, ).

So, IMHO, just like we see our face in a mirror frequently to ensure everything is okay, we should also look into the Shastra to ensure that we are proceeding all right in our Path to have the "Vision of Atma".

Warm Regards

 

 

 

R. S. Mani

 

 

 

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prabhu-ji!

 

Hare Krishna!

 

You write :

 

** yA dEvi sarva bhUtEshu *web of words* rupENa

saMstitha*...)

 

Wow! Prabhuji! what a profound obswervation! Have you seen the

imagery of Goddess Kali ? Have you seen the Garland of Skulls (

severed heads) Kali ma wears around her neck?

 

I want to share with you all an interesting Web Page with a profound explanation for the "Garland of Skulls," from the Indian Tantra

Shastra. This string of heads is the Garland of Letters (Varnamala),

that is, the fifty, and as some count it, fifty-one letters, of the

Sanskrit Alphabet.

 

I strongly recommend all of you to read and enjoy the Web Page provided by the author, Arthur Avalon

 

URL: http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/sas/sas25.htm

 

(((((snip snip )))))

 

Of these letters and names and their meaning or objects, that is,

concepts and concepts objectified, the whole Universe is composed.

When Kali withdraws the world, that is, the names and forms which the

letters signify, the dualism in consciousness, which is creation,

vanishes. There is neither "I" (Aham) nor "This" (Idam) but the one

non-dual Perfect Experience which Kali in Her own true nature

(Svarupa) is. In this way Her garland is understood.

 

So Devi is Matrika shakti ! Smile ! ( matrika -words)

 

Devi is also 'Maya' ' shakti ! ( maya- web)

 

Yaa devi sarva bhuteshu 'buddhi' rupena sansthita!

 

Jai Mahakali !

 

Jai Gurudeva!

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Sarasvatimataji pranamah,

 

Blessed indeed I am to have learnt all about Shakti mArga in one write up.

 

I have one question ; astAnga yoga sAdhana - is it taught only as a final stage of sAdhana?

 

I am reproducing from Swamiji's book "Isvara in one's life"

 

"When I look upon myself as very much connected to Isvara who is the infallible order, the sense of alienation is not there for me. Therefore every form that is here is his form, every phenomenon that is here is an expression of the Lord. In any one pheneomenon I can invoke the total or I can invoke the Lord as a phenomenon, as a devatA."

 

 

I would also like to add the 27th sloka from Adi Shankara' s Soundarya Lahari

 

japo jalpah shilpam sakalamapi mudrA viracanA

gaitih prAdakshinyam ashanAdhyAhuti vidhih

praNAmah samveshah sukhamakhilam AtmArpaNadrshA

saparyAparyAyastava bhavatu yanme vilasitam

 

AtmArpaNadrshA = having offered my body, mind, prANa and my spirit to you and by the blessing of this knowledge that I am your svarUpa - jIvAtma paramAtma ikyam

 

jalpah = let all the prattle that is done on vyavahara of the world

 

japah bhavatu = may it be your mahamantra japa

 

sakalam shilpamapi = let all the activities performed by the movement of the arms and the legs

 

mudrAviracanA bhavatu = may it be the ten mudras - samkshobam, vidsAvaNam, AkarshaNam, vasyham, unmAdam, mahAnkusham, kecari, yoni, trikandam

 

gatih = let even the accidental walking

 

prAdakshiNam bhavatu = may it be pradakshiNam circumambulation for you

 

ashanAdi = let the food and the drinks consumed

 

Ahuti vidhih bhavatu = may it be the sacrificial rituals/ homa anushthAnam

 

samveshah = let the lying on the ground

 

praNmah bhavatu = may it be my prostrations namaskrams

 

evam = in this manner

 

Sukham= all that can give me comfort and joy

 

me = my

 

yat = whatever

 

vilasitam = play, sport or pastime, enjoyment

 

akhilamapi = including all the above

 

tava = your

 

tava saparyAparyAyah bhavatu = may it be in the form of Your puja

 

This is prayer ultimate.

 

om namo narayanaya

Lakshmi Muthuswamy