What Krsna says, that is truth. Krsna bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya

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Western So-Called Civilisation <HR width="100%"></CENTER>Prabhupada: Sraddha-sabde visvasa sudrdha niscaya. This is basic platform, that

"What Krsna says, that is truth." Krsna bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya: "If

I follow Krsna, then my business is complete." This is intelligence. Now... We

have come to the open field. How it is nice. And so long we were passing

through that congested areas--hellish, simply hellish. And now here is open space. How

it is nice.

Hari-sauri: To enter into a city is so imposing on your consciousness.

Prabhupada: Up to that point, simply rubbish, all papers thrown here and there.

People are living in... Now see here, how it is open and pleasing. Organize

this farm project. Farm. (background talking)

Hari-sauri: He's just saying that in the West one requires a great deal of

capital. To start a farm, to get the land, you need a lot of money because land

is very expensive. And also we have to use modern farming techniques because we

have so few men to run the farms.

Prabhupada: No, you show example. People will do automatically. When the people

find it is very nice, they will take.

Hari-sauri: Should we try to make an effort to have our householders go and

live on the farms, a special effort? If it's ready to do that?

Prabhupada: Why householders? Everyone. Hare Krsna. (japa)

Ramesvara: In America there is a very big emphasis on getting people to join us

by moving into our temples. The temple presidents are very eager to get as many

people to move in as possible, but in the long run most people cannot come up

to the standard.

Prabhupada: Therefore I am [advocating]... Farms.

Ramesvara: So they have to be encouraged to have a little bit of Krsna

consciousness in their own home, make their home a temple.

Prabhupada: No, let them go to the farm, New Vrindaban.

Ramesvara: Many people... Most people in the world, they are grhamedhis, and

they cannot give it up so easily.

Prabhupada: "No, you remain... Come here with your wife, children. You remain

grhamedhi."

Jagadisa: New Vrindaban is very austere. If we build little bungalows with

modern convenience...

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Jagadisa: There has to be some modern convenience.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Then we shall do that.

Ramesvara: But for many people who live in the cities, they have their jobs

already. They don't want to give it up.

Prabhupada: (train slows down) What is the nonsense? No, there is a station? No station.

Jagadisa: Why does this train keep stopping? (train stops)

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Hare Krsna. Jaya.

Jagadisa: Why does the train keep stopping?

Prabhupada: Who is this gentleman?

Hari-sauri: Pradyumna?

Prabhupada: Oh, Pradyumna.

Ramesvara: Say, in America, most people live in the cities, and they already have their job, and they are set in their ways.

Prabhupada: But you said that there is unemployment also.

Ramesvara: To a certain extent. But there are still 250,000,000 people. So most

of them...

Prabhupada: So those who are unemployed, let them come to us. We shall give them employment.

Ramesvara: Yes. But for the mass population...

Prabhupada: Well, gradually you will increase and...

Ramesvara: We have to give them something that they can do in their home.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Ramesvara: Because it is impractical to think that they will give up everything and move into the temple.

Prabhupada: No, those who are unemployed, let them come. We shall give them employment.

Jagadisa: On the farm.

Prabhupada: Yes. Ramesvara: For those who are unemployed, that's attractive.

Jagadisa: But for those who are already employed...

Ramesvara: But most people have jobs.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Ramesvara: Many people already have their jobs and their families.

Prabhupada: All right, let them not come, but those who are unemployed, let them come.

Ramesvara: But what...? For those people who already have their jobs, instead of...

Prabhupada: That job... They will be very soon jobless. Don't worry. (laughs) They will come. They will be obliged to come. Now they have got job, but as the days are advancing in Kali-yuga, they'll be jobless.