The Wrath of Israel or Who wants war in the Middle East?

[krsna]

[Guest guest]

 

:mad2

 

Israel/US just finished a gigantic delivering of modern warfare weapons to India.

Now we have a couple of days ago this terrorism in Mumbai with 190 people killed - CNN says overhasty it was done by Muslimes from Kashmir/Pakistan. At the same time Israel is more or less in war with Palestine/Lybia/Syria/Iran -again Muslim countries. If India starts a war with Pakistan it should be clear that India will be also involved in the Israel/Palestine conflict. At the same time Prabhupada said when India starts a war with Pakistan this would become a world war. Of course this can only happen when India's government becomes infiltrated by people who are nothing but agents of US/Israel. Whats alarming is that India is presently spending Billions on buying weapons from US/Israel.

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

[Kulapavana]

Israel is doing everything it can to provoke a war with Iran. They see that currently - with the abysmal failures in Iraq - their chances for Bush starting that war for them are close to zero. So, what to do? Provoke the war of course... than US will be forced to back Israel... very sly realpolitik, as usual.

[Guest guest]

 

Israel is doing everything it can to provoke a war with Iran. They see that currently - with the abysmal failures in Iraq - their chances for Bush starting that war for them are close to zero. So, what to do? Provoke the war of course... than US will be forced to back Israel... very sly realpolitik, as usual.

 

 

As usual your speculations are 100% wrong.

 

THE WAR ON ISRAEL: IRAN'S DIRTY HANDS

 

July 14, 2006 -- Israel today finds itself waging an undeclared war on two fronts: in Lebanon, against the terrorists of Hezbollah, and in Gaza, against the terrorists of Hamas, who now run the Palestin ian Authority government.

 

But the real enemy - the one deliberately provoking an escalation of violence that could spark a Mideast conflagration at any moment - is not directly engaged in the current conflict.

 

Make no mistake: The Islamic Republic of Iran is the one pulling the strings - certainly in Lebanon, and almost certainly in Gaza, as well.

 

Yesterday saw a dramatic ratcheting up of the action:

 

* Hezbollah fired more than 100 Katyushas and other rockets into northern Israel, including the major cities of Haifa and Safed. The attacks killed two Israeli civilians and wounded 35 plus.

 

* The Israeli foreign ministry said it had "concrete evidence" that Hezbollah was trying to move two Israeli soldiers kidnapped Wednesday to Iran. (Tehran has done this before. Back in 1986, it "bought" captured Israeli airman Ron Arad from a Lebanese militia and shipped him to Iran. His fate, 20 years later, remains unknown.)

 

That news led Israel to impose a naval blockade on the Lebanese coast and its major ports, turning back three ships carrying fuel.

 

* Israel vowed that if Lebanon's government continues to ignore a United Nations call for it to confront Hezbollah, "we shall not allow Hezbollah forces to remain any further on the borders of the state of Israel" - as they have with impunity since Israel evacuated southern Lebanon in 2000.

 

Israeli officials also promised that, if necessary, they are prepared to wage a long and painful military campaign to secure their nation's borders and protect its citizens.

 

As well they should.

 

As President Bush recognized, "Israel has the right to defend herself. Every nation must defend herself against terrorist attacks and the killing of innocent life."

 

Underscoring that concern, Washington late yesterday vetoed a draft U.N. Security Council resolution that would have condemned Israel's incursion into Gaza.

 

There is no mistaking that this latest escalation was provoked unilaterally by Hezbollah and Hamas, which both kidnapped Israeli soldiers to hold for political ransom and rained missiles on Israeli civilians.

 

Much of the international community is indulging in its usual myopia and indifference when it comes to attacks against Israel. The European Union, though calling for the soldiers' release, yesterday condemned Israel for its "disproportionate" military response.

 

Would the Europeans rather have Israel move into Gaza and Lebanon and start taking hostages? That would be more "proportionate . . ."

 

But Hezbollah and Hamas don't act en tirely on their own - especially when it comes to such large-scale attacks on Israel. Both are entirely dependent on Iran and Syria for financial and material support.

 

As the Israeli foreign ministry noted, Damascus is home to several major terrorist groups and leaders, including Khaled Meshaal, chief of Hamas. From there, Meshaal directs attacks on Israel from the Palestinian-controlled territories, including the firing of Kassam rockets against border towns.

 

Syria also provides key support to Hezbollah with the transfer of arms, personnel and munitions, both from regional airports and through border crossings into Lebanon, which was long under Syrian occupation.

 

For that reason, Israeli jets yesterday put Beirut's international airport out of commission and bombed the main highway linking Beirut and Damascus. And they dropped leaflets on the southern Beirut neighborhood where Hezbollah's leader, Sayyd Hassan Narallah, lives, warning residents there to clear out quickly.

 

As Israel's chief of staff warned, "Nothing is safe in Lebanon" as long as Israel's soldiers remain captive and Israel itself is under siege.

 

Yet it is Iran - which recently signed another mutual-defense pact with Syria - that is Hezbollah's chief benefactor, providing funding, weapons and leadership.

 

"For all practical purposes," say the Israelis, "Hezbollah is merely an arm of the Tehran jihadist regime," which also has made key inroads into Palestinian terrorist groups in the West Bank and Gaza.

 

Which is what makes the timing of this terrorist onslaught against Israel so suspicious. It comes as Tehran faces a deadline to respond to demands that it cease its nuclear-weapons program or face unspecified sanctions.

 

And indeed, the focus of international concern on the eve of this weekend's G-8 summit has shifted from Tehran's nuclear ambitions to the explosive situation between Israel and its neighbors.

 

But this latest violence should only underscore the danger that Iran poses not only to Israel and the Middle East but to the entire world.

 

President Bush rightly labeled it a member of the Axis of Evil - a terror-sponsoring rogue regime that exports murder and mayhem against its enemies.

 

So-called pragmatists in the international community say Israel should make a deal, freeing thousands of terrorists held in its prisons for its captured soldiers. But the self-styled pragmatists ignore the reality that caving in to such demands only invites further acts of terrorism.

 

Israel, in particular, cannot afford to yield to demands from regimes - Hamas, Syria and Iran - that are publicly pledged to its destruction. No nation with any self-respect would be asked to shrug off such threats - especially when they are underscored with acts of unprovoked aggression.

 

To be sure, the answer to this situation cannot be found only through mili tary might. Diplomacy also is necessary - if other nations summon the will (which most thus far have not) to confront terrorism on a global scale and see it through until the terrorist threat is destroyed.

 

But if world leaders prefer appeasement, then Israel can't be faulted for doing whatever it deems necessary to eliminate the threat on its borders.

 

If that means taking on Iran when others are afraid - or unwilling - to do so, then so be it.

[AncientMariner]

 

Israel is doing everything it can to provoke a war with Iran. They see that currently - with the abysmal failures in Iraq - their chances for Bush starting that war for them are close to zero. So, what to do? Provoke the war of course... than US will be forced to back Israel... very sly realpolitik, as usual.

 

 

 

Hare Krishna Kulapavana,

 

I consider you to be a very intelligent vaisnava but your political views always seem a little strange to me but it is always possible that you could be right. All I know is that I know nothing so whoever ends up being right in the end I guess Krishna will let us know. Best of luck and I guess we can all agree that lets pray the world comes to its senses.

[Guest guest]

 

Israel is doing everything it can to provoke a war with Iran. They see that currently - with the abysmal failures in Iraq - their chances for Bush starting that war for them are close to zero. So, what to do? Provoke the war of course... than US will be forced to back Israel... very sly realpolitik, as usual.

 

Wow, you really need to stop listening to Air America. You see there is this small thing you really seem to be missing. Isreal is responding ( look that word up in a dictionary ) to direct attacks on its military. Hezbollah ( funded 100% by Iran ) went into Israel and attacked/kidnapped. Israel has every right to use whatever means they want to get their soldiers back. Your whole " Jews controll the US " attitude has no place at all here.

[Kulapavana]

There is no secret that the Israeli lobby in US is trying very hard to get US government to start a war with Iran, just like they did with Iraq. They dont even try to hide it (see the thread I started here months ago on this subject).

 

The brazen and illegal Israeli attacks in Lebanon are meant to push the envelope in that direction as Americans are very frustrated with the war in Iraq and certainly have no stomach for another war with zero benefit for USA. That is not just my opinion.

 

As to the issue of the "response"... both Palestinians and Israelis kill innocent civilians using that worn out excuse. For you, when Palis kidnap Israeli soldiers it is an "act of war" giving Israel carte blanche to do whatever it wants, while all the atrocities Israel committed earlier to provoke the kidnapping is irrelevant? Very funny logic... to me, both sides are equally wrong and guilty...

[Kulapavana]

 

I consider you to be a very intelligent vaisnava but your political views always seem a little strange to me ...

 

Thank you. My political views are quite irrelevant but I dislike one-sided presentations in general as they lead to both ignorance and arrogance.

[Guest guest]

 

That is not just my opinion.

 

 

Sadly that is about all of your post that rings true, too many moonbats think the exact same way. I would suggest an unbiased look at the history of the region starting with just who the people who call themselves Palistinians are ( here is a hint look into Jordan )

Then after that maybe look into how the Arab world does nothing to ease the suffering in Gaza and The West Bank ( Hint: They send little to no money or supplies to help establish a state instead they send propaganda to the region blaming Jews for the suffering ).

Lastly you just might want to look into The Muslim Brotherhood and the origins of Hamas/Hezbulla.

 

Funny how you speak of one sided presentations leading to ignorance

[Kulapavana]

 

Funny how you speak of one sided presentations leading to ignorance

 

starting from top:

 

1. do you think the descendants of Khazars, lots of whom recently emigrated from Russia for example, and who call themselves "Jews", have more right to live there than people who call themselves Palestinians?

 

2. You say Arab countries do little to help people in Gaza. True. Israel on the other hand does everything it can to HURT people in Gaza. Whose action do you think is more demonic?

 

3. Regardless of the origin of any democraticaly elected government in Gaza, Israel will continue to kill people they dont like, including their families.

 

is that double sided enough for you?

[Guest guest]

 

starting from top:

 

1. do you think the descendants of Khazars, lots of whom recently emigrated from Russia for example, and who call themselves "Jews", have more right to live there than people who call themselves Palestinians?

 

2. You say Arab countries do little to help people in Gaza. True. Israel on the other hand does everything it can to HURT people in Gaza. Whose action do you think is more demonic?

 

3. Regardless of the origin of any democraticaly elected government in Gaza, Israel will continue to kill people they dont like, including their families.

 

is that double sided enough for you?

 

 

1. Yes because Palestinians are simply Jordanians that were displaced ( again look into the origin of " Palestine ) Israel however is recognised by the world body, with some exceptions , as a Jewish state.

 

2. Israel has no obligation to the people in Gaza it is a seperate state that Israel withdrew from after pressure. However the Arab states that decry Isreal are the same states that could easily infuse money and resources to Gaza to eliminate the misery. However these Arab states send in Weapons and propaganda saying that their misery is because of Israel. If Gaza was built up instead of armed there would be peace.

Israel doesn`t keep Gaza in poverty their Arab brothers do.

 

3. What a stupid and blind statement. Israel RESPONDS, please name the last time Israel sent bombs into Gaza without provocation.

 

Really sad that you buy into all the moonbat garbage without having a true understanding of the region. How many years have you lived in the middle east ?

[Kulapavana]

one more time, this time slowly for you:

 

1. People imported from all over the world by Israel displace indigenous people all the time (such policy is called ethnic cleansing everywhere else). The current state of Israel was established through an armed struggle (by terrorists or freedom fighters - depending on your perspective - all sposored by Josef Stalin) not by peaceful elections by the locals. Jews were only a small minority at that time.

 

2. Arab states may not help people in Gaza very much, while Israel actively HURTS them by witholding THEIR money and destroying THEIR infrastructure.

 

3. Israel does not care for democracy in Gaza or international laws, killing anybody they like. (such policy is called state sponsored terrorism everywhere else)

 

People who lived in ME all their lives are generally very biased despite all their local "knowledge". Proof positive that residency is of little value in such discussions. The locals are caught up in a vicious cycle of hate. Hate makes people blind.

[Guest guest]

 

one more time, this time slowly for you:

 

1. People imported from all over the world by Israel displace indigenous people all the time (such policy is called ethnic cleansing everywhere else). The current state of Israel was established through an armed struggle (by terrorists or freedom fighters - depending on your perspective - all sposored by Josef Stalin) not by peaceful elections by the locals. Jews were only a small minority at that time.

 

2. Arab states may not help people in Gaza very much, while Israel actively HURTS them by witholding THEIR money and destroying THEIR infrastructure.

 

3. Israel does not care for democracy in Gaza or international laws, killing anybody they like. (such policy is called state sponsored terrorism everywhere else)

 

People who lived in ME all their lives are generally very biased despite all their local "knowledge". Proof positive that residency is of little value in such discussions. The locals are caught up in a vicious cycle of hate. Hate makes people blind.

 

1. Wow step away from the Michael Moore movies and pick up a few history books for once.

 

2. Israel has no control over the finances of Gaza nor do they have any control on the infrastructure. They attack prime targets when attacked period.

 

3. Once again your shallow world view is showing. I bet you feel the train bombings in India were justified as well because India won`t give up its land.

 

Yes hate does make people blind as your obvious hate of Jews blinds you to real history in the region. Residency means alot, while I have lived in the UAE and for some time In Israel I think I have a broader view than some American who watches to much TV

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

 

Wow, you really need to stop listening to Air America. You see there is this small thing you really seem to be missing. Isreal is responding ( look that word up in a dictionary ) to direct attacks on its military. Hezbollah ( funded 100% by Iran ) went into Israel and attacked/kidnapped. Israel has every right to use whatever means they want to get their soldiers back. Your whole " Jews controll the US " attitude has no place at all here.

 

Yes - that is the exact point and to the point too - thank-you!

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

 

There is no secret that the Israeli lobby in US is trying very hard to get US government to start a war with Iran, just like they did with Iraq. They dont even try to hide it (see the thread I started here months ago on this subject).

 

The brazen and illegal Israeli attacks in Lebanon are meant to push the envelope in that direction as Americans are very frustrated with the war in Iraq and certainly have no stomach for another war with zero benefit for USA. That is not just my opinion.

 

As to the issue of the "response"... both Palestinians and Israelis kill innocent civilians using that worn out excuse. For you, when Palis kidnap Israeli soldiers it is an "act of war" giving Israel carte blanche to do whatever it wants, while all the atrocities Israel committed earlier to provoke the kidnapping is irrelevant? Very funny logic... to me, both sides are equally wrong and guilty...

 

 

So how did this lobby induce the abductions? Seems the logic is lacking in that point?

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

 

As usual your speculations are 100% wrong.

 

THE WAR ON ISRAEL: IRAN'S DIRTY HANDS

 

July 14, 2006 -- Israel today finds itself waging an undeclared war on two fronts: in Lebanon, against the terrorists of Hezbollah, and in Gaza, against the terrorists of Hamas, who now run the Palestin ian Authority government.

 

But the real enemy - the one deliberately provoking an escalation of violence that could spark a Mideast conflagration at any moment - is not directly engaged in the current conflict.

 

Make no mistake: The Islamic Republic of Iran is the one pulling the strings - certainly in Lebanon, and almost certainly in Gaza, as well.

 

Yesterday saw a dramatic ratcheting up of the action:

 

* Hezbollah fired more than 100 Katyushas and other rockets into northern Israel, including the major cities of Haifa and Safed. The attacks killed two Israeli civilians and wounded 35 plus.

 

* The Israeli foreign ministry said it had "concrete evidence" that Hezbollah was trying to move two Israeli soldiers kidnapped Wednesday to Iran. (Tehran has done this before. Back in 1986, it "bought" captured Israeli airman Ron Arad from a Lebanese militia and shipped him to Iran. His fate, 20 years later, remains unknown.)

 

That news led Israel to impose a naval blockade on the Lebanese coast and its major ports, turning back three ships carrying fuel.

 

* Israel vowed that if Lebanon's government continues to ignore a United Nations call for it to confront Hezbollah, "we shall not allow Hezbollah forces to remain any further on the borders of the state of Israel" - as they have with impunity since Israel evacuated southern Lebanon in 2000.

 

Israeli officials also promised that, if necessary, they are prepared to wage a long and painful military campaign to secure their nation's borders and protect its citizens.

 

As well they should.

 

As President Bush recognized, "Israel has the right to defend herself. Every nation must defend herself against terrorist attacks and the killing of innocent life."

 

Underscoring that concern, Washington late yesterday vetoed a draft U.N. Security Council resolution that would have condemned Israel's incursion into Gaza.

 

There is no mistaking that this latest escalation was provoked unilaterally by Hezbollah and Hamas, which both kidnapped Israeli soldiers to hold for political ransom and rained missiles on Israeli civilians.

 

Much of the international community is indulging in its usual myopia and indifference when it comes to attacks against Israel. The European Union, though calling for the soldiers' release, yesterday condemned Israel for its "disproportionate" military response.

 

Would the Europeans rather have Israel move into Gaza and Lebanon and start taking hostages? That would be more "proportionate . . ."

 

But Hezbollah and Hamas don't act en tirely on their own - especially when it comes to such large-scale attacks on Israel. Both are entirely dependent on Iran and Syria for financial and material support.

 

As the Israeli foreign ministry noted, Damascus is home to several major terrorist groups and leaders, including Khaled Meshaal, chief of Hamas. From there, Meshaal directs attacks on Israel from the Palestinian-controlled territories, including the firing of Kassam rockets against border towns.

 

Syria also provides key support to Hezbollah with the transfer of arms, personnel and munitions, both from regional airports and through border crossings into Lebanon, which was long under Syrian occupation.

 

For that reason, Israeli jets yesterday put Beirut's international airport out of commission and bombed the main highway linking Beirut and Damascus. And they dropped leaflets on the southern Beirut neighborhood where Hezbollah's leader, Sayyd Hassan Narallah, lives, warning residents there to clear out quickly.

 

As Israel's chief of staff warned, "Nothing is safe in Lebanon" as long as Israel's soldiers remain captive and Israel itself is under siege.

 

Yet it is Iran - which recently signed another mutual-defense pact with Syria - that is Hezbollah's chief benefactor, providing funding, weapons and leadership.

 

"For all practical purposes," say the Israelis, "Hezbollah is merely an arm of the Tehran jihadist regime," which also has made key inroads into Palestinian terrorist groups in the West Bank and Gaza.

 

Which is what makes the timing of this terrorist onslaught against Israel so suspicious. It comes as Tehran faces a deadline to respond to demands that it cease its nuclear-weapons program or face unspecified sanctions.

 

And indeed, the focus of international concern on the eve of this weekend's G-8 summit has shifted from Tehran's nuclear ambitions to the explosive situation between Israel and its neighbors.

 

But this latest violence should only underscore the danger that Iran poses not only to Israel and the Middle East but to the entire world.

 

President Bush rightly labeled it a member of the Axis of Evil - a terror-sponsoring rogue regime that exports murder and mayhem against its enemies.

 

So-called pragmatists in the international community say Israel should make a deal, freeing thousands of terrorists held in its prisons for its captured soldiers. But the self-styled pragmatists ignore the reality that caving in to such demands only invites further acts of terrorism.

 

Israel, in particular, cannot afford to yield to demands from regimes - Hamas, Syria and Iran - that are publicly pledged to its destruction. No nation with any self-respect would be asked to shrug off such threats - especially when they are underscored with acts of unprovoked aggression.

 

To be sure, the answer to this situation cannot be found only through mili tary might. Diplomacy also is necessary - if other nations summon the will (which most thus far have not) to confront terrorism on a global scale and see it through until the terrorist threat is destroyed.

 

But if world leaders prefer appeasement, then Israel can't be faulted for doing whatever it deems necessary to eliminate the threat on its borders.

 

If that means taking on Iran when others are afraid - or unwilling - to do so, then so be it.

Quote:

 

Would the Europeans rather have Israel move into Gaza and Lebanon and start taking hostages? That would be more "proportionate . . ."

 

Reply:

 

Exactly! It's odd that the E.U. is already showing it's bias against Israel - is it [partly] due to the large number of - radical islamists - seemingly already in europe?

 

God will not permit the loss of Israel and that's that!

 

There cannot be discussions for peace with groups and individuals that wish to see your extermination!

 

Sincere peace are not signed in those circumstances.

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

 

Sadly that is about all of your post that rings true, too many moonbats think the exact same way. I would suggest an unbiased look at the history of the region starting with just who the people who call themselves Palistinians are ( here is a hint look into Jordan )

Then after that maybe look into how the Arab world does nothing to ease the suffering in Gaza and The West Bank ( Hint: They send little to no money or supplies to help establish a state instead they send propaganda to the region blaming Jews for the suffering ).

Lastly you just might want to look into The Muslim Brotherhood and the origins of Hamas/Hezbulla.

 

Funny how you speak of one sided presentations leading to ignorance

 

 

...

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

[Guest guest]

Air america, give me a break. As if all of a sudden, a radio syndicate espousing a small bit of opposition to the fascism of corporate ameriKKKa is influential.

 

Maybe yall should go back to your foxed up radio shows and hear the mantras of zeig heil, never again (except to them).

 

And, BTW, the neofascists running ameriKKKa could care less about Israel or jews. They need them only to bring about their joyous rapture and have their armageddon. They only want to bathe in the blood of their crucified guru.

 

Srila Prabhupada has asid that one goes, they all go, when referring to thermo-nuclear warfare. So, all the corpses will not be fodder for our discussion, nor will we have to bear the ridiculous graphics posted by our resident neocon.

 

Now, do you all like to see all the new half-bodied young adults around. Have you seen any faceless ones yet? Didja ever ask the young soldier if Israel was worth a f--- to die for. And do you think that the islamic persons will surrender to your brutality once again.

 

Or maybe you think I was brainwashed by air america, or michael moore. No, friends, some do not just babble dittos with the mobs on the radio.

[Guest guest]

 

Now, do you all like to see all the new half-bodied young adults around. Have you seen any faceless ones yet? Didja ever ask the young soldier if Israel was worth a f--- to die for. And do you think that the islamic persons will surrender to your brutality once again.

 

 

 

 

Having Lived in Israel for a few years I spoke to many members of the IDF and yes they believe that Israel is worth dying for. Personally I could care less if any member of Hezbulla surrenders, they put their hands into the lions den and must face what they have awoken.

 

In the future maybe a dictionary would help your weak little insults as well.

 

How many clueless Jew haters are on this board anyway ?

[AncientMariner]

 

Air america, give me a break. As if all of a sudden, a radio syndicate espousing a small bit of opposition to the fascism of corporate ameriKKKa is influential.

 

Maybe yall should go back to your foxed up radio shows and hear the mantras of zeig heil, never again (except to them).

 

And, BTW, the neofascists running ameriKKKa could care less about Israel or jews. They need them only to bring about their joyous rapture and have their armageddon. They only want to bathe in the blood of their crucified guru.

 

Srila Prabhupada has asid that one goes, they all go, when referring to thermo-nuclear warfare. So, all the corpses will not be fodder for our discussion, nor will we have to bear the ridiculous graphics posted by our resident neocon.

 

Now, do you all like to see all the new half-bodied young adults around. Have you seen any faceless ones yet? Didja ever ask the young soldier if Israel was worth a f--- to die for. And do you think that the islamic persons will surrender to your brutality once again.

 

Or maybe you think I was brainwashed by air america, or michael moore. No, friends, some do not just babble dittos with the mobs on the radio.

 

 

 

Well boys(don't mean that condescendingly, just what my boss always says) I guess the $64,000 question is will Krishna end up taking any sides in this battle or will he remain on the sidelines just letting these kali-yuga wars come and go while in the meantime creating more and more unwanted population so eventually he can come and lop the heads off of the despotic rulers at the end of the Kali-yuga. I have always wondered how the liberal media is going to portray the Kalki-avatar. My guess is they will be on the side of the despotic rulers and try to claim Krishna is a criminal.

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

 

How many clueless Jew haters are on this board anyway ?

 

Too many - even one is too many...

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

 

...And, BTW, the neofascists running ameriKKKa could care less about Israel or jews. They need them only to bring about their joyous rapture and have their armageddon. They only want to bathe in the blood of their crucified guru....nor will we have to bear the ridiculous graphics posted by our resident neocon....Or maybe you think I was brainwashed by air america, or michael moore. No, friends, some do not just babble dittos with the mobs on the radio.

 

You say "Prabhupada said" - where? Got a quote?

 

You should try to see things as they are and - what is wrong with the simple graphics that I post? They are the truth aren't they? You're looking to a nuclear war to save yourself from having to look at them?

[Guest guest]

 

Quote:

 

Would the Europeans rather have Israel move into Gaza and Lebanon and start taking hostages? That would be more "proportionate . . ."

 

Reply:

 

Exactly! It's odd that the E.U. is already showing it's bias against Israel - is it [partly] due to the large number of - radical islamists - seemingly already in europe?

 

God will not permit the loss of Israel and that's that!

 

There cannot be discussions for peace with groups and individuals that wish to see your extermination!

 

Sincere peace are not signed in those circumstances.

 

Who told you this - Yahweh, the storm god?

 

You are preaching bible rhetoric! go to a rapture forum with that judeo-christian rhetoric, but don't spread it amongst vaishnavas and other Hindus and expect us to believe it.

 

God will not permit the destruction of dharma. He says nothing about Israel in any Vedic scriptures.