to all, a question about Guru Gita - Honouring the Guru (5)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kalia and all,

 

please allow me to put to you all a question which has been on my mind

for some time and I feel I am getting nowhere with it. In the Guru

Gita it is said twice that if Shiva gets angry, the Guru can help you,

but if the Guru gets angry, Shiva cannot. This puzzles me; how can

Shiva get angry? Is Shiva not the Guru, 'full, complete and perfect',

'residing in harmony with his own soul'. What would make Shiva angry,

if He is all in all? And, for that matter, what would make the Guru

angry? The only thing that comes to mind is the 'sin against the Holy

Spirit which cannot be forgiven' mentioned by Jesus, but I'm not to

clear on that either. So if any one of you had any ideas about this, I

would be grateful if you'd share them,

 

with love,

Henny

 

, "kaliananda_saraswati"

<kaliananda_saraswati wrote:

>

> B. Gita Chap 3 vs 17 and 18

> That man who delights in his own soul, who is contented with his own

> soul, and who is satisfied only with his own soul, he knows of

> nothing left to be done.

>

> For him, neither is there a purpose for completed actions nor for

> incomplete actions, and he regards all beings of existence without

> selfishness.

>

> G. Gita vs 112 and 126

> I worship true existence, consciousness, and bliss, beyond all

> distinctions, always as my Guru. He is eternal, full, complete and

> perfect, beyond attributes, without qualities. He resides in

> harmony with his own soul.

>

> The knowledgeable realize all wisdom as the union of the individual

> with all that is. He rejoices everywhere in eternal bliss and

> eternal peace.

>

> Jai Guru

>

[Guest guest]

The following is quote from

 

 

* Brahmanda Purana

<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brahmanda_Purana&action=edit>

Guru is Shiva sans his three eyes,Vishnu sans his four armsBrahma sans

his four heads.He is parama Shiva himself in human form

Here Shiva represents principle of chaos or change(Shiva; Mahesvara;

Rudra) whereas parama Shiva represents Guru principle or Unmovable

Witness(Shiva; Brahman; Purusha; Atman).So to answer your question when

change(shiva) is taking place only by being centered in the

Witness(internal guru) or protected by a person who is centered in the

Witness(external guru) can you escape it.

But if your are not centered in the Witness(guru) or protected by some

one who is centered in the Witness(guru) even good changes(shiva) in

life don't last long due to the nature of change and you continue suffer

from the vagaries of life.

 

Jai Sri Ramakrishna!

 

 

 

, "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i wrote:

>

> Dear Kalia and all,

>

> please allow me to put to you all a question which has been on my mind

> for some time and I feel I am getting nowhere with it. In the Guru

> Gita it is said twice that if Shiva gets angry, the Guru can help you,

> but if the Guru gets angry, Shiva cannot. This puzzles me; how can

> Shiva get angry? Is Shiva not the Guru, 'full, complete and perfect',

> 'residing in harmony with his own soul'. What would make Shiva angry,

> if He is all in all? And, for that matter, what would make the Guru

> angry? The only thing that comes to mind is the 'sin against the Holy

> Spirit which cannot be forgiven' mentioned by Jesus, but I'm not to

> clear on that either. So if any one of you had any ideas about this, I

> would be grateful if you'd share them,

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

> , "kaliananda_saraswati"

> kaliananda_saraswati@ wrote:

> >

> > B. Gita Chap 3 vs 17 and 18

> > That man who delights in his own soul, who is contented with his own

> > soul, and who is satisfied only with his own soul, he knows of

> > nothing left to be done.

> >

> > For him, neither is there a purpose for completed actions nor for

> > incomplete actions, and he regards all beings of existence without

> > selfishness.

> >

> > G. Gita vs 112 and 126

> > I worship true existence, consciousness, and bliss, beyond all

> > distinctions, always as my Guru. He is eternal, full, complete and

> > perfect, beyond attributes, without qualities. He resides in

> > harmony with his own soul.

> >

> > The knowledgeable realize all wisdom as the union of the individual

> > with all that is. He rejoices everywhere in eternal bliss and

> > eternal peace.

> >

> > Jai Guru

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Hennyji,

 

Namaste. Your questions have been forwarded to Swamiji and will be posted when He

responds. Thank you so much for these questions and for keeping this seva alive.

 

Jai GuRu

 

, "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i wrote:

>

> Dear Kalia and all,

>

> please allow me to put to you all a question which has been on my mind

> for some time and I feel I am getting nowhere with it. In the Guru

> Gita it is said twice that if Shiva gets angry, the Guru can help you,

> but if the Guru gets angry, Shiva cannot. This puzzles me; how can

> Shiva get angry? Is Shiva not the Guru, 'full, complete and perfect',

> 'residing in harmony with his own soul'. What would make Shiva angry,

> if He is all in all? And, for that matter, what would make the Guru

> angry? The only thing that comes to mind is the 'sin against the Holy

> Spirit which cannot be forgiven' mentioned by Jesus, but I'm not to

> clear on that either. So if any one of you had any ideas about this, I

> would be grateful if you'd share them,

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

> , "kaliananda_saraswati"

> <kaliananda_saraswati@> wrote:

> >

> > B. Gita Chap 3 vs 17 and 18

> > That man who delights in his own soul, who is contented with his own

> > soul, and who is satisfied only with his own soul, he knows of

> > nothing left to be done.

> >

> > For him, neither is there a purpose for completed actions nor for

> > incomplete actions, and he regards all beings of existence without

> > selfishness.

> >

> > G. Gita vs 112 and 126

> > I worship true existence, consciousness, and bliss, beyond all

> > distinctions, always as my Guru. He is eternal, full, complete and

> > perfect, beyond attributes, without qualities. He resides in

> > harmony with his own soul.

> >

> > The knowledgeable realize all wisdom as the union of the individual

> > with all that is. He rejoices everywhere in eternal bliss and

> > eternal peace.

> >

> > Jai Guru

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

In Tulasida's Ramayana, towrds its end, Kakabushandi narrates his past lives. In one of it when he disrespects his Guru, Lord Shiva gets annoyed with him and punishes him. But Guru comes to his rescue and worships Lord Shiva by his praise to reduce his disciple's punishment. Eventually that punishment turns out to be his good luck and he realises his Ishta child Rama. When Lord punishes(as we normally think), it is really His Grace and the individual reaches higher spiritual level easily. Whatever God does is always for everyone's ultimate good (which is spiritual). Puny man in his ignorance measures his welfare in physical well being only. In the beginnng of the same 'Rama Charita Manas' there is a story of Narada and his curse on Lord Vishnu under the effect of Mahamaya. There also God promises him that he will do whatever is for his ultimate good(when Narada was under the influence of Mahamaya). That is a wonderful story which dear Ramaya may tell us one of these days

in her beautiful captivating style.

Pranam

chetan

 

 

Chetan Merani

 

 

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