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Namaste all!

 

Please, help me with understanding.

 

In the "Brahma Sutra" :

Jagadvyaparavarjam prakaranadasannihitattvaccha IV.4.17

 

The liberated soul attains all lordly powers) except the power of creation, etc., on account of (the Lord being) the subject matter (of all texts where creation, etc., are referred to) and (the liberated souls) not being mentioned (in that connection)

 

 

If ahankar or individuality of soul is illusion, how can I understand words that after moksha jiva still being?

 

Please, give me right understanding of this.

 

 

Pranams.

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Shiv Anurag

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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advaitin, Shiva Anurag <jadu_s2002 wrote:

>

> Namaste all!

>

> Please, help me with understanding.

>

> In the "Brahma Sutra" :

> Jagadvyaparavarjam prakaranadasannihitattvaccha

IV.4.17

>

> The liberated soul attains all lordly powers)

except the power of creation, etc., on account of

(the Lord being) the subject matter (of all texts where

creation, etc., are referred to) and (the liberated

souls) not being mentioned (in that connection)

>

 

Namaste

 

Please refer to

[Advaita-l] Re: Clarification on vEdAnta sUtra

Jaldhar H. Vyas

of May 8 2004.

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

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advaitin, Shiva Anurag <jadu_s2002 wrote:

>

> Namaste all!

>

> Please, help me with understanding.

>

> In the "Brahma Sutra" :

> Jagadvyaparavarjam prakaranadasannihitattvaccha

IV.4.17

>

> The liberated soul attains all lordly powers)

except the power of creation, etc., on account of

(the Lord being) the subject matter (of all texts where

creation, etc., are referred to) and (the liberated

souls) not being mentioned (in that connection)

>

>

> If ahankar or individuality of soul is illusion, how can I

understand words that after moksha jiva still being?

>

> Please, give me right understanding of this.

Pranams.

> ----------

> Shiv Anurag

 

Namaste Shiva-ji,

 

Yes this is a curly one. Depends on whether one is visishatadvaitic

or advaitic I suppose. If one believes in duality then liberation

may mean becoming a dweller in Brahmaloka until Mahapralaya.

 

 

The other explanation is that the soul in this case may refer to the

existing body/mind of the Jivanmukta until the body drops.

 

Actually Jesus also said that 'All power comes to he that

overcomes', or similar.......Its the old apples and oranges deal

again.............ONS..Tony.

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advaitin, Shiva Anurag <jadu_s2002 wrote:

>

> Namaste all!

>

> Please, help me with understanding.

>

> In the "Brahma Sutra" :

> Jagadvyaparavarjam prakaranadasannihitattvaccha IV.4.17

>

> The liberated soul attains all lordly powers) except the power of

creation, etc., on account Of (the Lord being) the subject matter (of

all texts where creation, Etc., are referred to) and (the liberated

souls) not being mentioned (in that connection)

>

> If ahankar or individuality of soul is illusion, how can I

understand words that after moksha jiva still being?

>

> Please, give me right understanding of this.

>

>

> Pranams.

> ----------

> Shiv Anurag

 

Namaste Shiv ji,

 

The sutra quoted above is about that soul who has taken to the path

of higher meditations, he is a Saguna Brahma vit and BEFORE ATTAINING

DIRECT REALIZATION OF THE ABSOLUTE BRAHMAN (IN THE MANNER 'AHAM

BRAHMASMI'), passes away. By virtue of his extraordinary merit born

of Saguna upasana, he attains powers of lordship to a great extent.

After the punya phalam is exhausted, he, being in Brahmaloka, gains

the Liberating Knowledge there and thereafter gets liberated, without

having to return to samsara. As such, till such time he gets direct

realization of Brahman, he is not fully released in the absolute

terms. In the case of someone who has obtained the Direct Liberationg

Realization of the Absolute here itself, that is before death, there

being instantaneous moksha for him, there is no question of his prana

leaving the body and travelling to any other loka. For such a soul

there is no return to this samsara also.

 

Thus, this particular sutra is about a person who has not yet

attained moksha. The following translation of the Bhashya for the

final sutra throws light on the issue.

 

22. (Of them) there is non-return, according to scripture; non-

return, according to scripture.

 

Those who, in following the road of the gods, to which the vein and

the ray are leading, and on which light is the first stage, reach the

world of Brahman as described by scripture--where 'there are the two

lakes Ara and Nya in the world of Brahman, in the third heaven from

hence,' and where 'there is the lake Airammadîya and the Asvattha

tree showering down Soma. and the city of Brahman Aparâgitâ and the

golden hall built by Prabhu' (Kh. Up. VIII, 5, 3)--and set forth at

length in mantras, arthavâdas, and so on; those, we say, who reach

that world do not return from there after having finished the

enjoyment of their deeds; as those do who have gone to the world of

the moon and other places.---Why so?--Because scriptural passages

teach that they do not so return. Compare 'Moving upwards by it he

reaches the immortal' (Kh. Up. VIII, 6, 6); 'For them there is no

return' (Bri. Up. VI, 2, 15); 'Those who proceed on that path do not

return to the life of man' (Kh. Up. IV, 15, 6); 'He reaches the world

of Brahman and does not return' (Kh. Up. VIII, 15, 1). That the

finality of their lordly power does not imply their return to the

life of man, we have shown under IV, 3, 10. IT IS A SETTLED MATTER

THAT THOSE WHO THROUGH PERFECT KNOWLEDGE HAVE DISPELLED ALL MENTAL

DARKNESS AND ARE DEVOTED TO THE ETERNALLY PERFECT NIRVANA DO NOT

RETURN. . And as those also who rely on the knowledge of the

qualified Brahman in the end have recourse to that (Nirvâna), it

follows that they also do not return.--The repetition of the

words, 'Non-return, according to scripture,' indicates the conclusion

of this body of doctrine.

 

Warm regards,

subbu

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