Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Namaste all! Please, help me with understanding. In the "Brahma Sutra" : Jagadvyaparavarjam prakaranadasannihitattvaccha IV.4.17 The liberated soul attains all lordly powers) except the power of creation, etc., on account of (the Lord being) the subject matter (of all texts where creation, etc., are referred to) and (the liberated souls) not being mentioned (in that connection) If ahankar or individuality of soul is illusion, how can I understand words that after moksha jiva still being? Please, give me right understanding of this. Pranams. ---------- Shiv Anurag Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 advaitin, Shiva Anurag <jadu_s2002 wrote: > > Namaste all! > > Please, help me with understanding. > > In the "Brahma Sutra" : > Jagadvyaparavarjam prakaranadasannihitattvaccha IV.4.17 > > The liberated soul attains all lordly powers) except the power of creation, etc., on account of (the Lord being) the subject matter (of all texts where creation, etc., are referred to) and (the liberated souls) not being mentioned (in that connection) > Namaste Please refer to [Advaita-l] Re: Clarification on vEdAnta sUtra Jaldhar H. Vyas of May 8 2004. PraNAms to all advaitins profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 advaitin, Shiva Anurag <jadu_s2002 wrote: > > Namaste all! > > Please, help me with understanding. > > In the "Brahma Sutra" : > Jagadvyaparavarjam prakaranadasannihitattvaccha IV.4.17 > > The liberated soul attains all lordly powers) except the power of creation, etc., on account of (the Lord being) the subject matter (of all texts where creation, etc., are referred to) and (the liberated souls) not being mentioned (in that connection) > > > If ahankar or individuality of soul is illusion, how can I understand words that after moksha jiva still being? > > Please, give me right understanding of this. Pranams. > ---------- > Shiv Anurag Namaste Shiva-ji, Yes this is a curly one. Depends on whether one is visishatadvaitic or advaitic I suppose. If one believes in duality then liberation may mean becoming a dweller in Brahmaloka until Mahapralaya. The other explanation is that the soul in this case may refer to the existing body/mind of the Jivanmukta until the body drops. Actually Jesus also said that 'All power comes to he that overcomes', or similar.......Its the old apples and oranges deal again.............ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 advaitin, Shiva Anurag <jadu_s2002 wrote: > > Namaste all! > > Please, help me with understanding. > > In the "Brahma Sutra" : > Jagadvyaparavarjam prakaranadasannihitattvaccha IV.4.17 > > The liberated soul attains all lordly powers) except the power of creation, etc., on account Of (the Lord being) the subject matter (of all texts where creation, Etc., are referred to) and (the liberated souls) not being mentioned (in that connection) > > If ahankar or individuality of soul is illusion, how can I understand words that after moksha jiva still being? > > Please, give me right understanding of this. > > > Pranams. > ---------- > Shiv Anurag Namaste Shiv ji, The sutra quoted above is about that soul who has taken to the path of higher meditations, he is a Saguna Brahma vit and BEFORE ATTAINING DIRECT REALIZATION OF THE ABSOLUTE BRAHMAN (IN THE MANNER 'AHAM BRAHMASMI'), passes away. By virtue of his extraordinary merit born of Saguna upasana, he attains powers of lordship to a great extent. After the punya phalam is exhausted, he, being in Brahmaloka, gains the Liberating Knowledge there and thereafter gets liberated, without having to return to samsara. As such, till such time he gets direct realization of Brahman, he is not fully released in the absolute terms. In the case of someone who has obtained the Direct Liberationg Realization of the Absolute here itself, that is before death, there being instantaneous moksha for him, there is no question of his prana leaving the body and travelling to any other loka. For such a soul there is no return to this samsara also. Thus, this particular sutra is about a person who has not yet attained moksha. The following translation of the Bhashya for the final sutra throws light on the issue. 22. (Of them) there is non-return, according to scripture; non- return, according to scripture. Those who, in following the road of the gods, to which the vein and the ray are leading, and on which light is the first stage, reach the world of Brahman as described by scripture--where 'there are the two lakes Ara and Nya in the world of Brahman, in the third heaven from hence,' and where 'there is the lake Airammadîya and the Asvattha tree showering down Soma. and the city of Brahman Aparâgitâ and the golden hall built by Prabhu' (Kh. Up. VIII, 5, 3)--and set forth at length in mantras, arthavâdas, and so on; those, we say, who reach that world do not return from there after having finished the enjoyment of their deeds; as those do who have gone to the world of the moon and other places.---Why so?--Because scriptural passages teach that they do not so return. Compare 'Moving upwards by it he reaches the immortal' (Kh. Up. VIII, 6, 6); 'For them there is no return' (Bri. Up. VI, 2, 15); 'Those who proceed on that path do not return to the life of man' (Kh. Up. IV, 15, 6); 'He reaches the world of Brahman and does not return' (Kh. Up. VIII, 15, 1). That the finality of their lordly power does not imply their return to the life of man, we have shown under IV, 3, 10. IT IS A SETTLED MATTER THAT THOSE WHO THROUGH PERFECT KNOWLEDGE HAVE DISPELLED ALL MENTAL DARKNESS AND ARE DEVOTED TO THE ETERNALLY PERFECT NIRVANA DO NOT RETURN. . And as those also who rely on the knowledge of the qualified Brahman in the end have recourse to that (Nirvâna), it follows that they also do not return.--The repetition of the words, 'Non-return, according to scripture,' indicates the conclusion of this body of doctrine. Warm regards, subbu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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