Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Hi All, Would anyone like to take up the chart of Kenneth Lay, in order to study his rise and fall? Astrodatabank gives his birth details as under: d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 t.o.b 6 p.m. p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA We could study the various astro principles as they apply to this horoscope. All the best, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 15 April? Strong Sun, thats what comes to mind first...... On 7/7/06, neenako <neenako > wrote: > > Hi All, > > Would anyone like to take up the chart of Kenneth Lay, in order to > study his rise and fall? > > Astrodatabank gives his birth details as under: > > d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 > > t.o.b 6 p.m. > > p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA > > We could study the various astro principles as they apply to this > horoscope. > > All the best, > > Neena > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Hi Dear Neena, Nice to see you Kundalika! There are some very interesting things in this chart - This exalted Sun you both referred to in the 8H of unearned wealth owns 12H of self undoing. 9H showing his education in economics with Saturn there, and Saturn is in Sun's star in 8H. Interestingly that Saturn as only planet in Sun's stars is in MB degree. Not only is this exalted Sun in 8H but also in gandanta degree. Just looking briefly, he was indicted on 11 counts of securities fraud and related charges on July 7, 2004, TSun and TSaturn in 10H exactly to the degree conjoined in Gemini, in Rahu star, and TJupiter exactly on 12H natal Rahu. TRahu itself now in 8H conjoined natal Sun/Moon. TMercury as his lagna lord, who in natal chart is in debility, (as well as late gandanta) was closely conjoined with TMars in debility in 11H Cancer, and this TMercury in MB degree. TMoon owns 11H and itself is in Jupiter's 7H, Pisces - all three, TMercury, TMars, and TMoon in Saturn's star. My book gives for 'securities' - Mars, for 'fraud' - (non-Jyotish Neptune) Pisces and 12H. Besides career for 10H, Wendy gives at her web site 'success and status in society, honor from government, reknown, fame, dignity'... As lord of both 1st and 10th houses this debilitated Mercury who is also in maraka karaka sthana for Mercury, could we have seen these serious faults in his career, etc. Mercury is only planet in Mercury's star in natal chart. 7H also represents public and one's dealings with the public in general, public enemies, AND money and finances of one's employees. Your question Neena, in seeing the rise is more difficult perhaps. Both Sun, as natural karaka for 10H and career, and this Mercury owning 1st and 10th houses having serious faults. As well Mars in 10H owns 3/8 houses and is in sandhi degree. I like your suggestion of VRY, but I don't know enough about that yoga really. Interestingly he died while again in July, so naturally TSun again in Gemini, this time Sun exactly, to the degree, right on top of his dasa progressed Moon at 19+ degrees. This degree in Ardra, Rahu star, Again TMars in debility and in Ra/Ma dasa. Natally Mars is in sandhi degree in his 10H and deposits 8H Sun. What do you think for this rise Neena?? He enjoyed a long successful career right? The chart definitely shows the fall from this, and the problems with all indicators for career. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of neenako Friday, July 07, 2006 2:46 AM jyotish-vidya Kenneth Lay Hi All, Would anyone like to take up the chart of Kenneth Lay, in order to study his rise and fall? Astrodatabank gives his birth details as under: d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 t.o.b 6 p.m. p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA We could study the various astro principles as they apply to this horoscope. All the best, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 nice to see u miss k navams is very strong three vargottam planets mer sun venus saturn in own house and moon is exalted as well in navams this is the real strength of this horoscope kind regs jiger shah - Kundalika Shastri<kundalika > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> Friday, July 07, 2006 5:59 AM Re: Kenneth Lay 15 April? Strong Sun, thats what comes to mind first...... On 7/7/06, neenako <neenako <neenako >> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Would anyone like to take up the chart of Kenneth Lay, in order to > study his rise and fall? > > Astrodatabank gives his birth details as under: > > d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 > > t.o.b 6 p.m. > > p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA > > We could study the various astro principles as they apply to this > horoscope. > > All the best, > > Neena > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 - So, till now we have the following: Reasons for rise 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury 2. Moon in exalted navamsa 3. Saturn in own navamsa 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also indicates the same. As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. Reasons for Fall: As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are responsible for the fall . I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). May be other members can point out some features which have escaped our attention till now. A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does the same extend to business men and fraudsters? Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in childhood. The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been clearly shown by Patrice. Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud angle. Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > nice to see u miss k > > navams is very strong three vargottam planets mer sun venus > > saturn in own house and moon is exalted as well in navams this is the real strength of this horoscope > > kind regs jiger shah > - > Kundalika Shastri<kundalika > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya> > Friday, July 07, 2006 5:59 AM > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > 15 April? Strong Sun, thats what comes to mind first...... > > On 7/7/06, neenako <neenako<neenako> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Would anyone like to take up the chart of Kenneth Lay, in order to > > study his rise and fall? > > > > Astrodatabank gives his birth details as under: > > > > d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 > > > > t.o.b 6 p.m. > > > > p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA > > > > We could study the various astro principles as they apply to this > > horoscope. > > > > All the best, > > > > Neena > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Dear Neena, Mu two cents about his arrest: Whenever lagna lord and sith lord conjoin in a dusthana, arrest is most likley. In this case, The sixth lord Rahu is in the 12th house. The dispositor is lagnakaraka Sun. Please note that he was arrested during Rahu/Sun period and was under arrest even during Rahu/Moon period (Moon is conjunct with Sun) and was released on bail during Rahu/Mars period (May this year). He has one more VRY - lord of 6th in 12th - Rahu. Rahu is aspected by Venus. Venus is the lord of 2nd and 11th. Hence, I guess he made lot of money during Rahu/Venus period. Regards, Krishna --- neenako <neenako > wrote: > - > So, till now we have the following: > > Reasons for rise > > 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury > 2. Moon in exalted navamsa > 3. Saturn in own navamsa > 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th > > In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and > Venus. Any exchange > makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. > So there is a > strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong > 9th gives among > other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord > of 5th in 5th > therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from > securiies and > speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with > Saturn also > indicates the same. > > As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is > debilitated, its > vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna > strong. > > In addition to the 10th house , we should also have > a look at the > 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in > this chart. > > Reasons for Fall: > > As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the > chart, they are > responsible for the fall . > > I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud > to. Moon is a > malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th > house can give > unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, > at the same time > Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. > And this duty > was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). > > May be other members can point out some features > which have escaped > our attention till now. > > A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been > noticed in a > number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but > also can lead to an > unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur > Rehman, Indira > Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all > political figures. Does > the same extend to business men and fraudsters? > > Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre > status in > childhood. > > The timing of death and the effects of transits have > all been > clearly shown by Patrice. > > Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially > about the fraud > angle. > > Regards, > > Neena > -- In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" > <jigershah > wrote: > > > > nice to see u miss k > > > > navams is very strong three vargottam planets > mer sun venus > > > > saturn in own house and moon is exalted as well in > navams this is > the real strength of this horoscope > > > > kind regs jiger shah > > - > > Kundalika Shastri<kundalika > > To: > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- > vidya> > > Friday, July 07, 2006 5:59 AM > > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > > > > 15 April? Strong Sun, thats what comes to mind > first...... > > > > On 7/7/06, neenako > <neenako<neenako> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Would anyone like to take up the chart of > Kenneth Lay, in > order to > > > study his rise and fall? > > > > > > Astrodatabank gives his birth details as > under: > > > > > > d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 > > > > > > t.o.b 6 p.m. > > > > > > p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA > > > > > > We could study the various astro principles as > they apply to > this > > > horoscope. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Just a correction - venus is the lord of 2nd and 9th and not as 11th as mentioned in my mail. Still the argument holds good. Regards, Krishna --- Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: > Dear Neena, > > Mu two cents about his arrest: > > Whenever lagna lord and sith lord conjoin in a > dusthana, arrest is most likley. In this case, The > sixth lord Rahu is in the 12th house. The dispositor > is lagnakaraka Sun. Please note that he was arrested > during Rahu/Sun period and was under arrest even > during Rahu/Moon period (Moon is conjunct with Sun) > and was released on bail during Rahu/Mars period > (May > this year). > > He has one more VRY - lord of 6th in 12th - Rahu. > Rahu > is aspected by Venus. Venus is the lord of 2nd and > 11th. Hence, I guess he made lot of money during > Rahu/Venus period. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- neenako <neenako > wrote: > > > - > > So, till now we have the following: > > > > Reasons for rise > > > > 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury > > 2. Moon in exalted navamsa > > 3. Saturn in own navamsa > > 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th > > > > In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and > > Venus. Any exchange > > makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. > > So there is a > > strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong > > 9th gives among > > other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord > > of 5th in 5th > > therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains > from > > securiies and > > speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with > > Saturn also > > indicates the same. > > > > As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is > > debilitated, its > > vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes > lagna > > strong. > > > > In addition to the 10th house , we should also > have > > a look at the > > 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in > > this chart. > > > > Reasons for Fall: > > > > As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the > > chart, they are > > responsible for the fall . > > > > I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud > > to. Moon is a > > malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in > 8th > > house can give > > unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give > wealth, > > at the same time > > Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of > wealth. > > And this duty > > was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its > dispositor). > > > > May be other members can point out some features > > which have escaped > > our attention till now. > > > > A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been > > noticed in a > > number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but > > also can lead to an > > unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur > > Rehman, Indira > > Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all > > political figures. Does > > the same extend to business men and fraudsters? > > > > Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre > > status in > > childhood. > > > > The timing of death and the effects of transits > have > > all been > > clearly shown by Patrice. > > > > Hope to hear from other list members too. > Especially > > about the fraud > > angle. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neena > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" > > <jigershah > > wrote: > > > > > > nice to see u miss k > > > > > > navams is very strong three vargottam planets > > > mer sun venus > > > > > > saturn in own house and moon is exalted as well > in > > navams this is > > the real strength of this horoscope > > > > > > kind regs jiger shah > > > - > > > Kundalika Shastri<kundalika > > > To: > > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- > > vidya> > > > Friday, July 07, 2006 5:59 AM > > > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > > > > > > > 15 April? Strong Sun, thats what comes to mind > > first...... > > > > > > On 7/7/06, neenako > > <neenako<neenako> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Would anyone like to take up the chart of > > Kenneth Lay, in > > order to > > > > study his rise and fall? > > > > > > > > Astrodatabank gives his birth details as > > under: > > > > > > > > d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 > > > > > > > > t.o.b 6 p.m. > > > > > > > > p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA > > > > > > > > We could study the various astro principles > as > > they apply to > > this > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 rahu mars dasha mars 3 8 lord killed the person - neenako<neenako > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:13 AM Re: Kenneth Lay - So, till now we have the following: Reasons for rise 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury 2. Moon in exalted navamsa 3. Saturn in own navamsa 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also indicates the same. As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. Reasons for Fall: As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are responsible for the fall . I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). May be other members can point out some features which have escaped our attention till now. A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does the same extend to business men and fraudsters? Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in childhood. The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been clearly shown by Patrice. Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud angle. Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > nice to see u miss k > > navams is very strong three vargottam planets mer sun venus > > saturn in own house and moon is exalted as well in navams this is the real strength of this horoscope > > kind regs jiger shah > - > Kundalika Shastri<kundalika > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya><jyotish- vidya<vidya>> > Friday, July 07, 2006 5:59 AM > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > 15 April? Strong Sun, thats what comes to mind first...... > > On 7/7/06, neenako <neenako<neenako> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Would anyone like to take up the chart of Kenneth Lay, in order to > > study his rise and fall? > > > > Astrodatabank gives his birth details as under: > > > > d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 > > > > t.o.b 6 p.m. > > > > p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA > > > > We could study the various astro principles as they apply to this > > horoscope. > > > > All the best, > > > > Neena > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 - Rahu/ Mars killed him. Mars is also the lord of the 64th navamsa. -- In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > rahu mars > > dasha mars 3 8 lord killed the person > - > neenako<neenako > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya> > Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:13 AM > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > - > So, till now we have the following: > > Reasons for rise > > 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury > 2. Moon in exalted navamsa > 3. Saturn in own navamsa > 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th > > In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange > makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a > strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among > other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th > therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and > speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also > indicates the same. > > As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its > vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. > > In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the > 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. > > Reasons for Fall: > > As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are > responsible for the fall . > > I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a > malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give > unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time > Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty > was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). > > May be other members can point out some features which have escaped > our attention till now. > > A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a > number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an > unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira > Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does > the same extend to business men and fraudsters? > > Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in > childhood. > > The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been > clearly shown by Patrice. > > Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud > angle. > > Regards, > > Neena > -- In jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya>, "jiger shah" <jigershah@> > wrote: > > > > nice to see u miss k > > > > navams is very strong three vargottam planets mer sun venus > > > > saturn in own house and moon is exalted as well in navams this is > the real strength of this horoscope > > > > kind regs jiger shah > > - > > Kundalika Shastri<kundalika@> > > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya><jyotish- > vidya<vidya>> > > Friday, July 07, 2006 5:59 AM > > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > > > > 15 April? Strong Sun, thats what comes to mind first...... > > > > On 7/7/06, neenako <neenako@<neenako@>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Would anyone like to take up the chart of Kenneth Lay, in > order to > > > study his rise and fall? > > > > > > Astrodatabank gives his birth details as under: > > > > > > d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 > > > > > > t.o.b 6 p.m. > > > > > > p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA > > > > > > We could study the various astro principles as they apply to > this > > > horoscope. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear All, Lay died during RA/MA period. That was during madhyayu period (36 to 72 years). In general, death during Rahu dasha indicates unnatural death. This is the first time I am coming across a different situation. It has been said that he died of heart attack. From the chart is it possible conclude that the death occurred due to heart attack? There is one indication about that. Both Rahu and Mars (the dasha and bhukti lords of the date of death) are aspecting the 4th house (representing heart). However, I don't see any malefic conjunctions to 4th house. Hence, I am not sure if the two aspects are severe enought to cause death. Even the fourth house from Aries gets just one aspect from Saturn. No other malefic afflictions. I am not sure if this confirms heart attack. It would be interesting to analyse more on the cause of death in this case. Did he commit suicide for not wanting to spend a long-term in jail? I am not sure. I only suspect this as the death occurred during Rahu dasha. I will be interested in any thoughts on this from other learned members. Regards, Krishna --- Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: > Just a correction - venus is the lord of 2nd and 9th > and not as 11th as mentioned in my mail. Still the > argument holds good. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 > > wrote: > > > Dear Neena, > > > > Mu two cents about his arrest: > > > > Whenever lagna lord and sith lord conjoin in a > > dusthana, arrest is most likley. In this case, The > > sixth lord Rahu is in the 12th house. The > dispositor > > is lagnakaraka Sun. Please note that he was > arrested > > during Rahu/Sun period and was under arrest even > > during Rahu/Moon period (Moon is conjunct with > Sun) > > and was released on bail during Rahu/Mars period > > (May > > this year). > > > > He has one more VRY - lord of 6th in 12th - Rahu. > > Rahu > > is aspected by Venus. Venus is the lord of 2nd and > > 11th. Hence, I guess he made lot of money during > > Rahu/Venus period. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- neenako <neenako > wrote: > > > > > - > > > So, till now we have the following: > > > > > > Reasons for rise > > > > > > 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > 2. Moon in exalted navamsa > > > 3. Saturn in own navamsa > > > 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th > > > > > > In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and > > > Venus. Any exchange > > > makes both planets strong whether for good or > bad. > > > So there is a > > > strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A > strong > > > 9th gives among > > > other things a good higher education. Saturn > ,lord > > > of 5th in 5th > > > therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains > > from > > > securiies and > > > speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with > > > Saturn also > > > indicates the same. > > > > > > As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is > > > debilitated, its > > > vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes > > lagna > > > strong. > > > > > > In addition to the 10th house , we should also > > have > > > a look at the > > > 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise > in > > > this chart. > > > > > > Reasons for Fall: > > > > > > As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the > > > chart, they are > > > responsible for the fall . > > > > > > I am not very sure what we can attribute the > fraud > > > to. Moon is a > > > malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in > > 8th > > > house can give > > > unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give > > wealth, > > > at the same time > > > Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of > > wealth. > > > And this duty > > > was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its > > dispositor). > > > > > > May be other members can point out some features > > > which have escaped > > > our attention till now. > > > > > > A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has > been > > > noticed in a > > > number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but > > > also can lead to an > > > unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh > Mujibur > > > Rehman, Indira > > > Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all > > > political figures. Does > > > the same extend to business men and fraudsters? > > > > > > Sun in 8th also indicates his father's > mediocre > > > status in > > > childhood. > > > > > > The timing of death and the effects of transits > > have > > > all been > > > clearly shown by Patrice. > > > > > > Hope to hear from other list members too. > > Especially > > > about the fraud > > > angle. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Neena > > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "jiger > shah" > > > <jigershah > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > nice to see u miss k > > > > > > > > navams is very strong three vargottam > planets > > > > > mer sun venus > > > > > > > > saturn in own house and moon is exalted as > well > > in > > > navams this is > > > the real strength of this horoscope > > > > > > > > kind regs jiger shah > > > > - > > > > Kundalika > Shastri<kundalika > > > > To: > > > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- > > > vidya> > > > > Friday, July 07, 2006 5:59 AM > > > > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 April? Strong Sun, thats what comes to > mind > > > first...... > > > > > > > > On 7/7/06, neenako > > > <neenako<neenako> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > Would anyone like to take up the chart of > > > Kenneth Lay, in > > > order to > > > > > study his rise and fall? > > > > > > > > > > Astrodatabank gives his birth details as > > > under: > > > > > > > > > > d.o.b. 15 April, 1942 > > > > > > > > > > t.o.b 6 p.m. > > > > > > > > > > p.o.b Tyrone, Maryland, USA > > > > > > > > > > We could study the various astro > principles > > as > > > they apply to > > > this > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear Harry, //It has been said that he died of heart attack. From the chart is it possible conclude that the death occurred due to heart attack?// Yes! The native died during pratyantar of 4th/7th lord Jupiter. 4th governs chest area (heart/lungs) and Jupiter, conjunct Saturn, aspects 3rd (owned by bhukti lord Mars). 3rd, as we know, shows cause of death. Note Jupiter in nakshatra of Mars who owns both 3rd and 8th...houses of death. At time of death Rahu transits lagnesh Mercury in 7th marakasthana in sign of Jupiter whilst Jupiter transits 2nd marakasthana in nakshatra of Rahu. Note transit Jupiter aspecting both natal Sun in 8th house and transit Sun in 10th...Sun, we know, governs physical heart. 12th lord Sun transiting bhukti lord Mars is in nakshatra of 3rd lord Jupiter...reminding you again that 3rd reveals cause of death... I'll leave it here for now as I have some commitments (away from the computer) today. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:24 AM Re: Re: Kenneth Lay Dear All, Lay died during RA/MA period. That was during madhyayu period (36 to 72 years). In general, death during Rahu dasha indicates unnatural death. This is the first time I am coming across a different situation. It has been said that he died of heart attack. From the chart is it possible conclude that the death occurred due to heart attack? There is one indication about that. Both Rahu and Mars (the dasha and bhukti lords of the date of death) are aspecting the 4th house (representing heart). However, I don't see any malefic conjunctions to 4th house. Hence, I am not sure if the two aspects are severe enought to cause death. Even the fourth house from Aries gets just one aspect from Saturn. No other malefic afflictions. I am not sure if this confirms heart attack. It would be interesting to analyse more on the cause of death in this case. Did he commit suicide for not wanting to spend a long-term in jail? I am not sure. I only suspect this as the death occurred during Rahu dasha. I will be interested in any thoughts on this from other learned members. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear Wendy, With these indicators is it possible to say that the death was natural or was it self inflicted (suicide) or caused by enemies (murder) or by external events (accident)? What should we look at to find the answers? Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Harry, > > //It has been said that he died of heart attack. > From the chart > is it possible conclude that the death occurred due > to > heart attack?// > > Yes! The native died during pratyantar of 4th/7th > lord Jupiter. 4th > governs chest area (heart/lungs) and Jupiter, > conjunct Saturn, > aspects 3rd (owned by bhukti lord Mars). 3rd, as we > know, shows cause > of death. Note Jupiter in nakshatra of Mars who owns > both 3rd and > 8th...houses of death. > > At time of death Rahu transits lagnesh Mercury in > 7th marakasthana in > sign of Jupiter whilst Jupiter transits 2nd > marakasthana in nakshatra > of Rahu. Note transit Jupiter aspecting both natal > Sun in 8th house > and transit Sun in 10th...Sun, we know, governs > physical heart. > > 12th lord Sun transiting bhukti lord Mars is in > nakshatra of 3rd lord > Jupiter...reminding you again that 3rd reveals cause > of death... > > I'll leave it here for now as I have some > commitments (away from the > computer) today. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" > <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:24 AM > Re: Re: Kenneth Lay > > > Dear All, > > Lay died during RA/MA period. That was during > madhyayu > period (36 to 72 years). In general, death during > Rahu > dasha indicates unnatural death. This is the first > time I am coming across a different situation. It > has > been said that he died of heart attack. From the > chart > is it possible conclude that the death occurred due > to > heart attack? > > There is one indication about that. Both Rahu and > Mars > (the dasha and bhukti lords of the date of death) > are > aspecting the 4th house (representing heart). > However, > I don't see any malefic conjunctions to 4th house. > Hence, I am not sure if the two aspects are severe > enought to cause death. Even the fourth house from > Aries gets just one aspect from Saturn. No other > malefic afflictions. I am not sure if this confirms > heart attack. It would be interesting to analyse > more > on the cause of death in this case. > > Did he commit suicide for not wanting to spend a > long-term in jail? I am not sure. I only suspect > this > as the death occurred during Rahu dasha. I will be > interested in any thoughts on this from other > learned > members. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Harry, It would be very difficult to 'self inflict' a heart attack. According to the information available, Kenneth Lay had suffered coronary heart disease for some time which resulted in a massive (fatal) heart attack on Jul 5. He was taken to Aspen Valley Hospital, where he died at 3:11 a.m. (5:11 a.m. EDT). We can see ample evidence in horoscope to support this... Also important to understand that if there were any suspicious circumstances contributing to his death it would surely have been noted by the attending medical staff. Mars owning 3rd suggests that death will be sudden and this, of course, is what a massive heart attack is...sudden! No doubt the stress of his indictment was a contributing factor and this we can see with Mars conjunct SA/ME (in sign of Moon - who occupies 8th along with 12th lord Sun) at time of death. Note 6th lord Saturn conjunct 4th lord Jupiter. 4th shows 'conditions at close of life'...he was embroiled in litigation (6th house). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:46 PM Re: Re: Kenneth Lay Dear Wendy, With these indicators is it possible to say that the death was natural or was it self inflicted (suicide) or caused by enemies (murder) or by external events (accident)? What should we look at to find the answers? Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Harry, > > //It has been said that he died of heart attack. > From the chart > is it possible conclude that the death occurred due > to > heart attack?// > > Yes! The native died during pratyantar of 4th/7th > lord Jupiter. 4th > governs chest area (heart/lungs) and Jupiter, > conjunct Saturn, > aspects 3rd (owned by bhukti lord Mars). 3rd, as we > know, shows cause > of death. Note Jupiter in nakshatra of Mars who owns > both 3rd and > 8th...houses of death. > > At time of death Rahu transits lagnesh Mercury in > 7th marakasthana in > sign of Jupiter whilst Jupiter transits 2nd > marakasthana in nakshatra > of Rahu. Note transit Jupiter aspecting both natal > Sun in 8th house > and transit Sun in 10th...Sun, we know, governs > physical heart. > > 12th lord Sun transiting bhukti lord Mars is in > nakshatra of 3rd lord > Jupiter...reminding you again that 3rd reveals cause > of death... > > I'll leave it here for now as I have some > commitments (away from the > computer) today. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Wendy, It was my query (Krishna) that you answered. Apart for this prticular case, I am also intersted in knowing in general about the nature of death. Is it possible to read the type of death by looking at the chart? (like natural, accident, suicide or murder?) Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Harry, > > It would be very difficult to 'self inflict' a heart > attack. > According to the information available, Kenneth Lay > had suffered > coronary heart disease for some time which resulted > in a massive > (fatal) heart attack on Jul 5. He was taken to Aspen > Valley Hospital, > where he died at 3:11 a.m. (5:11 a.m. EDT). We can > see ample evidence > in horoscope to support this... Also important to > understand that if > there were any suspicious circumstances contributing > to his death it > would surely have been noted by the attending > medical staff. > > Mars owning 3rd suggests that death will be sudden > and this, of > course, is what a massive heart attack is...sudden! > No doubt the > stress of his indictment was a contributing factor > and this we can > see with Mars conjunct SA/ME (in sign of Moon - who > occupies 8th > along with 12th lord Sun) at time of death. Note 6th > lord Saturn > conjunct 4th lord Jupiter. 4th shows 'conditions at > close of > life'...he was embroiled in litigation (6th house). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" > <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:46 PM > Re: Re: Kenneth Lay > > > Dear Wendy, > > With these indicators is it possible to say that the > death was natural or was it self inflicted (suicide) > or caused by enemies (murder) or by external events > (accident)? > > What should we look at to find the answers? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > > > Dear Harry, > > > > //It has been said that he died of heart attack. > > From the chart > > is it possible conclude that the death occurred > due > > to > > heart attack?// > > > > Yes! The native died during pratyantar of 4th/7th > > lord Jupiter. 4th > > governs chest area (heart/lungs) and Jupiter, > > conjunct Saturn, > > aspects 3rd (owned by bhukti lord Mars). 3rd, as > we > > know, shows cause > > of death. Note Jupiter in nakshatra of Mars who > owns > > both 3rd and > > 8th...houses of death. > > > > At time of death Rahu transits lagnesh Mercury in > > 7th marakasthana in > > sign of Jupiter whilst Jupiter transits 2nd > > marakasthana in nakshatra > > of Rahu. Note transit Jupiter aspecting both natal > > Sun in 8th house > > and transit Sun in 10th...Sun, we know, governs > > physical heart. > > > > 12th lord Sun transiting bhukti lord Mars is in > > nakshatra of 3rd lord > > Jupiter...reminding you again that 3rd reveals > cause > > of death... > > > > I'll leave it here for now as I have some > > commitments (away from the > > computer) today. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ______________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Krishna, Parashara http://jyotishvidya.com/ch44.htm gives some pointers in the chapter on maraka planets although it's not very comprehensive. The best way to familiarize oneself with such things is by studying as many charts as possible. The chart of Chandra Levy (death by homicide) is a good start. Note the exchange between 1st/8th lords and the involvement of 3rd lord's dispositor (Mars). There are many sites giving information on her disappearance... http://crime.about.com/od/history/p/levy.htm Chandra Levy 14 Apr 1977 (13:46) Ohio, Cleveland Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, July 10, 2006 1:56 PM Re: Re: Kenneth Lay Dear Wendy, It was my query (Krishna) that you answered. Apart for this prticular case, I am also intersted in knowing in general about the nature of death. Is it possible to read the type of death by looking at the chart? (like natural, accident, suicide or murder?) Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Neena and All, Has anyone noticed the pancha-malika yoga? All major planets in five consecutive houses starting with Venus in 6th house of work and ending with Mars in 10th house of career. Some say malika yogas should begin from either lagna or Sun, however there are numerous examples of this yoga's effectiveness from any house. Members might like to look closer at this bearing in mind Venus' nakshatra lord Rahu...great worldly benefits through work. Also note Rahu's dispositor in 11th from 10th conjunct 11th lord Moon. I recently came across an interesting article (regarding 11th) which I think is worth reproducing here... "The 11th lord is one of the three trishadaya lords 3, 6, 11, which is an often overlooked category houses. The malefic quality of the 11th house is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses (3, 7, 11). B.P Malviya has written an excellent article called, "The Mystic Trio in Astrology" in K.N. Rao's book, Advanced Techniques of Astrological Predictions. He quotes the Bhagavad Gita as saying: "Tri-vidham narakasyedam dvaram nasanam atmanah kamah, krodhas tatha lobhas tasmad etat trayam tyajet." Which translates as: "Desire, anger and greed - the triple gate of hell bring about the ruination of the soul. Therefore one should avoid all these three." Ch 16 verse 21 Mr. Malviya points out that desire, anger and greed are represented by the trishadaya houses 3, 6, and 11 respectively, which are opposite the most important houses for spiritual advancement: 9, 12 and 5 houses. Being the last of the trishadaya trio, the 11th house is the most powerful. He says, "Every gain or success paves the way for another effort, as the more one gains, the more greedy one tends to be." Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:13 PM Re: Kenneth Lay - So, till now we have the following: Reasons for rise 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury 2. Moon in exalted navamsa 3. Saturn in own navamsa 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also indicates the same. As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. Reasons for Fall: As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are responsible for the fall . I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). May be other members can point out some features which have escaped our attention till now. A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does the same extend to business men and fraudsters? Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in childhood. The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been clearly shown by Patrice. Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud angle. Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Attempting to send this from groups home page as, once again, mails seem not to be getting through.... Dear Krishna, Parashara http://jyotishvidya.com/ch44.htm gives some pointers in the chapter on maraka planets although it's not very comprehensive. The best way to familiarize oneself with such things is by studying as many charts as possible. The chart of Chandra Levy (death by homicide) is a good start. Note the exchange between 1st/8th lords and the involvement of 3rd lord's dispositor (Mars). There are many sites giving information on her disappearance... http://crime.about.com/od/history/p/levy.htm Chandra Levy 14 Apr 1977 (13:46) Ohio, Cleveland Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Wendy, > > It was my query (Krishna) that you answered. Apart for > this prticular case, I am also intersted in knowing in > general about the nature of death. > > Is it possible to read the type of death by looking at > the chart? (like natural, accident, suicide or > murder?) > > Regards, > Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Resending via web... Dear Neena and All, Has anyone noticed the pancha-malika yoga? All major planets in five consecutive houses starting with Venus in 6th house of work and ending with Mars in 10th house of career. Some say malika yogas should begin from either lagna or Sun, however there are numerous examples of this yoga's effectiveness from any house. Members might like to look closer at this bearing in mind Venus' nakshatra lord Rahu...great worldly benefits through work. Also note Rahu's dispositor in 11th from 10th conjunct 11th lord Moon. I recently came across an interesting article (regarding 11th) which I think is worth reproducing here... "The 11th lord is one of the three trishadaya lords 3, 6, 11, which is an often overlooked category houses. The malefic quality of the 11th house is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses (3, 7, 11). B.P Malviya has written an excellent article called, "The Mystic Trio in Astrology" in K.N. Rao's book, Advanced Techniques of Astrological Predictions. He quotes the Bhagavad Gita as saying: "Tri-vidham narakasyedam dvaram nasanam atmanah kamah, krodhas tatha lobhas tasmad etat trayam tyajet." Which translates as: "Desire, anger and greed - the triple gate of hell bring about the ruination of the soul. Therefore one should avoid all these three." Ch 16 verse 21 Mr. Malviya points out that desire, anger and greed are represented by the trishadaya houses 3, 6, and 11 respectively, which are opposite the most important houses for spiritual advancement: 9, 12 and 5 houses. Being the last of the trishadaya trio, the 11th house is the most powerful. He says, "Every gain or success paves the way for another effort, as the more one gains, the more greedy one tends to be." Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:13 PM Re: Kenneth Lay - So, till now we have the following: Reasons for rise 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury 2. Moon in exalted navamsa 3. Saturn in own navamsa 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also indicates the same. As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. Reasons for Fall: As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are responsible for the fall . I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). May be other members can point out some features which have escaped our attention till now. A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does the same extend to business men and fraudsters? Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in childhood. The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been clearly shown by Patrice. Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud angle. Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Resending??? Dear Neena and All, Has anyone noticed the pancha-malika yoga? All major planets in five consecutive houses starting with Venus in 6th house of work and ending with Mars in 10th house of career. Some say malika yogas should begin from either lagna or Sun, however there are numerous examples of this yoga's effectiveness from any house. Members might like to look closer at this bearing in mind Venus' nakshatra lord Rahu...great worldly benefits through work. Also note Rahu's dispositor in 11th from 10th conjunct 11th lord Moon. I recently came across an interesting article (regarding 11th) which I think is worth reproducing here... "The 11th lord is one of the three trishadaya lords 3, 6, 11, which is an often overlooked category houses. The malefic quality of the 11th house is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses (3, 7, 11). B.P Malviya has written an excellent article called, "The Mystic Trio in Astrology" in K.N. Rao's book, Advanced Techniques of Astrological Predictions. He quotes the Bhagavad Gita as saying: "Tri-vidham narakasyedam dvaram nasanam atmanah kamah, krodhas tatha lobhas tasmad etat trayam tyajet." Which translates as: "Desire, anger and greed - the triple gate of hell bring about the ruination of the soul. Therefore one should avoid all these three." Ch 16 verse 21 Mr. Malviya points out that desire, anger and greed are represented by the trishadaya houses 3, 6, and 11 respectively, which are opposite the most important houses for spiritual advancement: 9, 12 and 5 houses. Being the last of the trishadaya trio, the 11th house is the most powerful. He says, "Every gain or success paves the way for another effort, as the more one gains, the more greedy one tends to be." Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:13 PM Re: Kenneth Lay - So, till now we have the following: Reasons for rise 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury 2. Moon in exalted navamsa 3. Saturn in own navamsa 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also indicates the same. As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. Reasons for Fall: As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are responsible for the fall . I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). May be other members can point out some features which have escaped our attention till now. A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does the same extend to business men and fraudsters? Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in childhood. The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been clearly shown by Patrice. Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud angle. Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Wendy, Thanks for the pointers. I will follow up on these. Regards, Krishna --- wenvasuk <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Attempting to send this from groups home page as, > once again, mails > seem not to be getting through.... > > Dear Krishna, > > Parashara http://jyotishvidya.com/ch44.htm gives > some pointers in > the > chapter on maraka planets although it's not very > comprehensive. The > best way to familiarize oneself with such things is > by studying as > many charts as possible. > > The chart of Chandra Levy (death by homicide) is a > good start. Note > the exchange between 1st/8th lords and the > involvement of 3rd lord's > dispositor (Mars). > > There are many sites giving information on her > disappearance... > http://crime.about.com/od/history/p/levy.htm > > Chandra Levy > 14 Apr 1977 (13:46) > Ohio, Cleveland > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > It was my query (Krishna) that you answered. Apart > for > > this prticular case, I am also intersted in > knowing in > > general about the nature of death. > > > > Is it possible to read the type of death by > looking at > > the chart? (like natural, accident, suicide or > > murder?) > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Hi Dear Wendy and Neena and All, Thanks for this Wendy, this - great point regarding this pancha-malika yoga. Also, I thoroughly enjoyed the article you've shared and the insight it lends on these houses, very, very interesting, many thanks for sharing this. The focus on these houses also prompted me to look for any articles mentioning Kenneth Lay's siblings. Looking at the 3rd lord, Mars, and the condition of Mars, sandhi, also owing 12H and 8 houses from 3H and in natural 3H Gemini, it seems he would be without siblings perhaps or at least brothers which are more strongly indicated by Mars itself. I finally did find an article stating that he had left behind two sisters. Hmmm, I'm thinking older, but don't know if this is true, whether they are older or younger or a mix of the two. 11H is Cancer, Cancer and Moon feminine. Moon's depositor is Mars again (12H from 11H again no brothers/Mars), and Moon in his 8H, conjoined but with exalted Sun and as you stated, 10 houses from 11H. Venus is actually final depositor for this Moon, who has the exchange with Saturn. again perhaps older siblings, and Jupiter is conjoined this Saturn, Jupiter again can represent older siblings. Also this Venus has as you've said Rahu for nakshatra lord, and importantly there is actually a parivartana at the nakshatra level with Venus and Rahu. So, although no brothers, still siblings - and that Mars in Gemini, two siblings?.. Navamsa also shows more that it would be older sisters with 3H lord Mercury in debility in 12H with Ketu, however vargotama, and as mentioned Mercury lorded Gemini lords this Mars in rasi chart. Ve/Sa togther in 11H in Saturn's own house and Saturn final depositor of Navamsa chart. This Venus is so important in this chart and also was final depositor of chart at time of death. I've been looking for more and more indications for why this Venus is clearly so involved in this man's chart for his successes and your point of this pancha-malika yoga is a great one here, as well your point of Rahu as star lord. Now looking at what Neena has added with the power lended to the planets due to parivartana, we actually see this Venus is involved in two parivartanas, with two powerful planets in this chart, Saturn, who in this chart is a great friend, and Rahu at the more subtle level of nakshatra lord. These both show so much more the details clearly of this man's life, as well this planet Venus starting this yoga. Interesting this did end in lawsuits and his conviction with the houses involved. Wendy, with pancha-malika yoga, besides the yoga itself, are all planets involved in this yoga considered strengthened? Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Monday, July 10, 2006 10:05 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Kenneth Lay Resending??? Dear Neena and All, Has anyone noticed the pancha-malika yoga? All major planets in five consecutive houses starting with Venus in 6th house of work and ending with Mars in 10th house of career. Some say malika yogas should begin from either lagna or Sun, however there are numerous examples of this yoga's effectiveness from any house. Members might like to look closer at this bearing in mind Venus' nakshatra lord Rahu...great worldly benefits through work. Also note Rahu's dispositor in 11th from 10th conjunct 11th lord Moon. I recently came across an interesting article (regarding 11th) which I think is worth reproducing here... "The 11th lord is one of the three trishadaya lords 3, 6, 11, which is an often overlooked category houses. The malefic quality of the 11th house is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses (3, 7, 11). B.P Malviya has written an excellent article called, "The Mystic Trio in Astrology" in K.N. Rao's book, Advanced Techniques of Astrological Predictions. He quotes the Bhagavad Gita as saying: "Tri-vidham narakasyedam dvaram nasanam atmanah kamah, krodhas tatha lobhas tasmad etat trayam tyajet." Which translates as: "Desire, anger and greed - the triple gate of hell bring about the ruination of the soul. Therefore one should avoid all these three." Ch 16 verse 21 Mr. Malviya points out that desire, anger and greed are represented by the trishadaya houses 3, 6, and 11 respectively, which are opposite the most important houses for spiritual advancement: 9, 12 and 5 houses. Being the last of the trishadaya trio, the 11th house is the most powerful. He says, "Every gain or success paves the way for another effort, as the more one gains, the more greedy one tends to be." Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako (AT) (DOT) <neenako%40> com> <jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> > Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:13 PM Re: Kenneth Lay - So, till now we have the following: Reasons for rise 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury 2. Moon in exalted navamsa 3. Saturn in own navamsa 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also indicates the same. As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. Reasons for Fall: As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are responsible for the fall . I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). May be other members can point out some features which have escaped our attention till now. A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does the same extend to business men and fraudsters? Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in childhood. The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been clearly shown by Patrice. Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud angle. Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 - Dear Wendy, Yes there seems a problem with the group mails. I have tried posting messages a couple of times then gave it up. This is an intermittent problem. Regarding Lay's chart, you are right about the maalika yoga. It had escaped my attention. But also notice that according to Nabhasa yogas, 7 planets in 5 houses tends to make a person ' talkative, characterless and may be imprisoned'. BTW, since you are using PL, could you please check if any of the planets have moved in Bhava charts? The effects may get modified if they have moved. Iam still on jhora software. I am still looking for clues to fraudulent behaviour in this chart. Mars in rasi sandhi is one weak link but is it enough to have brought about such an enormous securities fraud? Mars may have moved in the bhava chart. I do not know. We do know that he started ENRON in Mars dasa. Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Resending??? > > > Dear Neena and All, > > Has anyone noticed the pancha-malika yoga? All major planets in five > consecutive houses starting with Venus in 6th house of work and > ending with Mars in 10th house of career. Some say malika yogas > should begin from either lagna or Sun, however there are numerous > examples of this yoga's effectiveness from any house. > > Members might like to look closer at this bearing in mind Venus' > nakshatra lord Rahu...great worldly benefits through work. Also note > Rahu's dispositor in 11th from 10th conjunct 11th lord Moon. > > I recently came across an interesting article (regarding 11th) which > I think is worth reproducing here... > > "The 11th lord is one of the three trishadaya lords 3, 6, 11, which > is an often overlooked category houses. The malefic quality of the > 11th house is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses > (3, 7, 11). B.P Malviya has written an excellent article called, "The > Mystic Trio in Astrology" in K.N. Rao's book, Advanced Techniques of > Astrological Predictions. He quotes the Bhagavad Gita as saying: > > "Tri-vidham narakasyedam dvaram nasanam atmanah > kamah, krodhas tatha lobhas tasmad etat trayam tyajet." > > Which translates as: > "Desire, anger and greed - the triple gate of hell bring about the > ruination of the soul. Therefore one should avoid all these three." > Ch 16 verse 21 > > Mr. Malviya points out that desire, anger and greed are represented > by the trishadaya houses 3, 6, and 11 respectively, which are > opposite the most important houses for spiritual advancement: 9, 12 > and 5 houses. Being the last of the trishadaya trio, the 11th house > is the most powerful. He says, > > "Every gain or success paves the way for another effort, as the more > one gains, the more greedy one tends to be." > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:13 PM > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > - > So, till now we have the following: > > Reasons for rise > > 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury > 2. Moon in exalted navamsa > 3. Saturn in own navamsa > 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th > > In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange > makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a > strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among > other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th > therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and > speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also > indicates the same. > > As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its > vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. > > In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the > 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. > > Reasons for Fall: > > As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are > responsible for the fall . > > I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a > malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give > unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time > Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty > was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). > > May be other members can point out some features which have escaped > our attention till now. > > A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a > number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an > unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira > Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does > the same extend to business men and fraudsters? > > Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in > childhood. > > The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been > clearly shown by Patrice. > > Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud > angle. > > Regards, > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Hi Neena, Wendy, and List, What do you think about besides the condition of this Mars in his 10H of career, also depositor of this Mars, is lagnesh Mercury, and although vargottama is in debility? This Mercury is also in early degrees of gandanta, and in 7H, other house to consider for career. In Bhava charts Mercury is the only planet to move and it moves to 8H. (True this Mercury is vargottama in debility, but only planet in own star in Rasi, no planet in star in Navamsa. Jupiter who deposits this Mercury has no planets in his stars in Rasi and only lords this Mercury as only planet in his two houses.) My book gives for one's moral qualities - 1st and 10th houses. This is pretty loose and surely not enough so must be considered wholistically in chart, however this Mercury combined with this Mars perhaps an indicator? And perhaps these qualities expressed via his career. Mars is indicator for securities in my book. Intriguingly for fraud it lists 12H, and Pisces, where this Mercury, as depositor of Mars, sits in Pisces. (Non-traditional Jyotish Neptune is also given along with 12H and Pisces for fraud.) Also in his chart Rahu is in 12H. And Saturn is in MB degree. Do you all find MB degree more important to consider in health considerations? As health has been my focus, having MB is a serious fault. Perhaps not so indicative with respect to other qualities in a chart??? What do you think? Saturn can indicate deception, along with 12H. Also if we consider Wendy's last post with article on trishadaya houses, taking chart from Chandra Lagna, the parivartama exchange of Venus is in 11H with Saturn in 2H of finances. This Mars now in 3H, and Mercury in Pisces and 12H of fraud. Even considering this Sun in exaltation there, this Mars lords this Sun, and also Sun in late gandanta degrees, Saturn only planet in his star, with no planet in Moon's stars... This Sun and Moon in Ketu's star, with Ketu conjoined Venus in 11H. I wrote an email to you earlier in response to your earlier post Neena, and it still didn't come through. This was a few days ago following your post. Thanks for your great posts on this and bringing this up for study. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of neenako Monday, July 10, 2006 12:02 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Kenneth Lay - Dear Wendy, Yes there seems a problem with the group mails. I have tried posting messages a couple of times then gave it up. This is an intermittent problem. Regarding Lay's chart, you are right about the maalika yoga. It had escaped my attention. But also notice that according to Nabhasa yogas, 7 planets in 5 houses tends to make a person ' talkative, characterless and may be imprisoned'. BTW, since you are using PL, could you please check if any of the planets have moved in Bhava charts? The effects may get modified if they have moved. Iam still on jhora software. I am still looking for clues to fraudulent behaviour in this chart. Mars in rasi sandhi is one weak link but is it enough to have brought about such an enormous securities fraud? Mars may have moved in the bhava chart. I do not know. We do know that he started ENRON in Mars dasa. Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> , "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Resending??? > > > Dear Neena and All, > > Has anyone noticed the pancha-malika yoga? All major planets in five > consecutive houses starting with Venus in 6th house of work and > ending with Mars in 10th house of career. Some say malika yogas > should begin from either lagna or Sun, however there are numerous > examples of this yoga's effectiveness from any house. > > Members might like to look closer at this bearing in mind Venus' > nakshatra lord Rahu...great worldly benefits through work. Also note > Rahu's dispositor in 11th from 10th conjunct 11th lord Moon. > > I recently came across an interesting article (regarding 11th) which > I think is worth reproducing here... > > "The 11th lord is one of the three trishadaya lords 3, 6, 11, which > is an often overlooked category houses. The malefic quality of the > 11th house is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses > (3, 7, 11). B.P Malviya has written an excellent article called, "The > Mystic Trio in Astrology" in K.N. Rao's book, Advanced Techniques of > Astrological Predictions. He quotes the Bhagavad Gita as saying: > > "Tri-vidham narakasyedam dvaram nasanam atmanah > kamah, krodhas tatha lobhas tasmad etat trayam tyajet." > > Which translates as: > "Desire, anger and greed - the triple gate of hell bring about the > ruination of the soul. Therefore one should avoid all these three." > Ch 16 verse 21 > > Mr. Malviya points out that desire, anger and greed are represented > by the trishadaya houses 3, 6, and 11 respectively, which are > opposite the most important houses for spiritual advancement: 9, 12 > and 5 houses. Being the last of the trishadaya trio, the 11th house > is the most powerful. He says, > > "Every gain or success paves the way for another effort, as the more > one gains, the more greedy one tends to be." > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com > ______________________________ > > - > "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> > > Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:13 PM > Re: Kenneth Lay > > > - > So, till now we have the following: > > Reasons for rise > > 1. Vargottama Sun, Venus, Mercury > 2. Moon in exalted navamsa > 3. Saturn in own navamsa > 4. VRY, lord of 12th in 8th > > In addition we have the parivartan of Saturn and Venus. Any exchange > makes both planets strong whether for good or bad. So there is a > strong 6th house and a strong 9th house. A strong 9th gives among > other things a good higher education. Saturn ,lord of 5th in 5th > therefrom, and strong in navamsa can give gains from securiies and > speculation. Jupiter's position in the 9th with Saturn also > indicates the same. > > As far as Mercury is concerned, though it is debilitated, its > vargottama position and aspect to lagna makes lagna strong. > > In addition to the 10th house , we should also have a look at the > 2nd, 3rd and 9th houses to understand the rise in this chart. > > Reasons for Fall: > > As Patrice has pointed out the weaknesses in the chart, they are > responsible for the fall . > > I am not very sure what we can attribute the fraud to. Moon is a > malefic due to its low pakshbala. And planets in 8th house can give > unearned wealth. Sun and Moon both can give wealth, at the same time > Sun's lordship of the 12th leads to loss of wealth. And this duty > was performed by Rahu ( with Sun as its dispositor). > > May be other members can point out some features which have escaped > our attention till now. > > A very big reason for the fall is VRY. It has been noticed in a > number of charts that VRY can give a rajyoga but also can lead to an > unexpected fall. (Ref:horoscopes of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, Indira > Gandhi, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). These are all political figures. Does > the same extend to business men and fraudsters? > > Sun in 8th also indicates his father's mediocre status in > childhood. > > The timing of death and the effects of transits have all been > clearly shown by Patrice. > > Hope to hear from other list members too. Especially about the fraud > angle. > > Regards, > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dear Patrice, //Wendy, with pancha-malika yoga, besides the yoga itself, are all planets involved in this yoga considered strengthened?// Malika Yogas are not dasa dependent but, rather, set a foundation for success to come during the life of the native. Normally a planet must form many success-producing yogas for its dasa to give outstanding success, however, if a Malika Yoga is present, a planet forming even just one success producing yoga will give outstanding success. The result of a specific Malika Yoga is dependent upon the house from which the yoga begins. The indications of that house will dictate the theme of the yoga. With this yoga beginning in 6th we see the great (career) success arising from his ability to rise above any and all competitors, wouldn't you agree? //These both show so much more the details clearly of this man's life, as well this planet Venus starting this yoga. Interesting this did end in lawsuits and his conviction with the houses involved.// Note Saturn's transit through Cancer (natal Moon in 8th)...he was indicted Jul 2004. This Saturn BTW also owns 8th from 10th. //Navamsa also shows more that it would be older sisters with 3H lord Mercury in debility in 12H with Ketu, however vargotama, and as mentioned Mercury lorded Gemini lords this Mars in rasi chart. Ve/Sa togther in 11H in Saturn's own house and Saturn final depositor of Navamsa chart.// Better to consult the Dreshkana (D3) for siblings... PS: My mouse has just given up the ghost? Having to use arrow keys to navigate around...what a pain! PPS: After HOURS of diagnostics and much pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth (not to mention a few choice words hurled at this rotten computer) I finally discovered the mouse needed new batteries... unbelievable!! Rx Mercury is playing havoc with me :-( Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> <jyotish-vidya> Monday, July 10, 2006 11:41 PM RE: Re: Kenneth Lay Hi Dear Wendy and Neena and All, Thanks for this Wendy, this - great point regarding this pancha-malika yoga. Also, I thoroughly enjoyed the article you've shared and the insight it lends on these houses, very, very interesting, many thanks for sharing this. The focus on these houses also prompted me to look for any articles mentioning Kenneth Lay's siblings. Looking at the 3rd lord, Mars, and the condition of Mars, sandhi, also owing 12H and 8 houses from 3H and in natural 3H Gemini, it seems he would be without siblings perhaps or at least brothers which are more strongly indicated by Mars itself. I finally did find an article stating that he had left behind two sisters. Hmmm, I'm thinking older, but don't know if this is true, whether they are older or younger or a mix of the two. 11H is Cancer, Cancer and Moon feminine. Moon's depositor is Mars again (12H from 11H again no brothers/Mars), and Moon in his 8H, conjoined but with exalted Sun and as you stated, 10 houses from 11H. Venus is actually final depositor for this Moon, who has the exchange with Saturn. again perhaps older siblings, and Jupiter is conjoined this Saturn, Jupiter again can represent older siblings. Also this Venus has as you've said Rahu for nakshatra lord, and importantly there is actually a parivartana at the nakshatra level with Venus and Rahu. So, although no brothers, still siblings - and that Mars in Gemini, two siblings?.. Navamsa also shows more that it would be older sisters with 3H lord Mercury in debility in 12H with Ketu, however vargotama, and as mentioned Mercury lorded Gemini lords this Mars in rasi chart. Ve/Sa togther in 11H in Saturn's own house and Saturn final depositor of Navamsa chart. This Venus is so important in this chart and also was final depositor of chart at time of death. I've been looking for more and more indications for why this Venus is clearly so involved in this man's chart for his successes and your point of this pancha-malika yoga is a great one here, as well your point of Rahu as star lord. Now looking at what Neena has added with the power lended to the planets due to parivartana, we actually see this Venus is involved in two parivartanas, with two powerful planets in this chart, Saturn, who in this chart is a great friend, and Rahu at the more subtle level of nakshatra lord. These both show so much more the details clearly of this man's life, as well this planet Venus starting this yoga. Interesting this did end in lawsuits and his conviction with the houses involved. Wendy, with pancha-malika yoga, besides the yoga itself, are all planets involved in this yoga considered strengthened? Best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dear Neena, //Regarding Lay's chart, you are right about the maalika yoga. It had escaped my attention. But also notice that according to Nabhasa yogas, 7 planets in 5 houses tends to make a person ' talkative, characterless and may be imprisoned'.// As far as I know (for the Nabhasa yogas) planets need not be in consecutive houses, as is the case with the Malika yogas...for Malika yoga to form all (major) planets must occupy consecutive houses without any break. I would think that Malika yoga overrides any Nabhasa yoga... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:01 AM Re: Kenneth Lay - Dear Wendy, Yes there seems a problem with the group mails. I have tried posting messages a couple of times then gave it up. This is an intermittent problem. Regarding Lay's chart, you are right about the maalika yoga. It had escaped my attention. But also notice that according to Nabhasa yogas, 7 planets in 5 houses tends to make a person ' talkative, characterless and may be imprisoned'. BTW, since you are using PL, could you please check if any of the planets have moved in Bhava charts? The effects may get modified if they have moved. Iam still on jhora software. I am still looking for clues to fraudulent behaviour in this chart. Mars in rasi sandhi is one weak link but is it enough to have brought about such an enormous securities fraud? Mars may have moved in the bhava chart. I do not know. We do know that he started ENRON in Mars dasa. Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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