Realisation

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H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

Pranams to you all.

Sri Peter in his posting 32002 dated 14th July has stated:

Sri Ramana Maharshi states the following:

 

"A Jnani does not find anything different or separate from the Self. All are

in the Self. It is wrong to imagine that there is the world, that there is a

body in it and that you dwell in the body. If the Truth is known, the

universe and what is beyond it will be found to be only in the Self. The

outlook differs according to the sight of the person. The sight is from the

eye. The eye must be located somewhere. If you are seeing with the gross

eyes you find others gross. If with subtle eyes (i.e., the mind) others

appear subtle. If the eye becomes the Self, the Self being infinite, the

eye is infinite. There is nothing else to see different from the Self."

('Talks' 106)

A very beautiful quotation indeed! How can I make what has been stated a living fact for me, how can I interiorize it, how can I actually cognize what

sri Bhagavan has stated, What is the methodolgy to be adopted so that will become my nonverbal understanding ? My sincere request for help and guidance.

With warm and respectful regards,

Sreenivasa Murthy

 

 

 

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namaskaram to all and to Shri Sreenivasa murthyji,

We including Shri Sreenivasa Murthyji are blessed and that is why we happen to be here and for sure the process of learning has begin.

Study of Vedanta is to help one know the self...and we need to go thru this.

we are all going thru this .

I am sure our learned and more knowledgable Satsangis here in will provide more useful advice.

what is more interesting with this great site is - probably in a class room in front of a guru many may not ask such questions - so many querries that are posted and educative, informative replies that help and guide us in bettering our understanding .

namaskaram

 

sreenivasa murthy <narayana145 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

Pranams to you all.

 

 

Sri Peter in his posting 32002 dated 14th July has stated:

Sri Ramana Maharshi states the following:

 

"A Jnani does not find anything different or separate from the Self. All are

in the Self. It is wrong to imagine that there is the world, that there is a

body in it and that you dwell in the body. If the Truth is known, the

universe and what is beyond it will be found to be only in the Self. The

outlook differs according to the sight of the person. The sight is from the

eye. The eye must be located somewhere. If you are seeing with the gross

eyes you find others gross. If with subtle eyes (i.e., the mind) others

appear subtle. If the eye becomes the Self, the Self being infinite, the

eye is infinite. There is nothing else to see different from the Self."

('Talks' 106)

A very beautiful quotation indeed! How can I make what has been stated a living fact for me, how can I interiorize it, how can I actually cognize what

sri Bhagavan has stated, What is the methodolgy to be adopted so that will become my nonverbal understanding ? My sincere request for help and guidance.

With warm and respectful regards,

Sreenivasa Murthy

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Murthy-ji.

 

That indeed is a very beatutiful, lucid Ramana quote by Shri Peterji.

 

I am not a jnAni. I am not qualified to help or guide. This is just

a thought stirred up by your question quoted below:

 

The answer to your poser is very much in the Bhagwad GItA in the

words of Lord Krishna : "abhyAsena tu Kaunteya..".

 

I should, therefore, imagine that practice of the knowledge is the

only way to realizing and living it. When one is convinced that one

is the world, then one has to necessarily begin living that

conviction. They are the dhIrAs and to them alone belong the Truth.

 

Living the knowledge is really a very arduous task. However, a

beginning can right now be made by applying it in selected, less

painful areas like those relating to the body, ego, sense of

possession etc., at least partly, if not completely. Let that be the

foundation to build on subsequently.

 

Another helpful tool is regular reinforcement of the vedantic wisdom

through repetitive contemplation and reflection.

 

Divine help and guidance will certainly pour in from unexpected

quarters in very unexpected manner. The solacing part of the whole

endeavour is that the Lord Himself has assured that whatever is

gained in this process is never lost and is carried forward into

future births.

 

If you are reading this, Shri Sankarramanji, you asked me to

expatiate on my undrstanding of sahaja samadhi in the context of my

remarks on "Sleeping With the Eyes Open". I have never had any

samAdhi experience. From whatever little I know about spirituality,

I should imagine that the jnAni's position in relation to the world

as lucidly explained by Bhagwan is sahaja samAdhi - 'sleeping' with

the eyes wide open to the world. What is slept on is only the sense

of separation that we ordinary mortals are plagued with. Otherwise,

it is the widest of wide Wakefulness that doesn't leave an iota of

anything out of Itself.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, sreenivasa murthy <narayana145

wrote:

>>

> Sri Peter in his posting 32002 dated 14th July has stated:

> Sri Ramana Maharshi states the following:

>

> "A Jnani does not find anything different or separate from the

Self. All are

> in the Self. ...... There is nothing else to see different from the

Self."

> ('Talks' 106)

________________

> A very beautiful quotation indeed! How can I make what

has been stated a living fact for me, how can I interiorize it, how

can I actually cognize what

> sri Bhagavan has stated, What is the methodolgy to be adopted

so that will become my nonverbal understanding ? My sincere request

for help and guidance.

> With warm and respectful regards,

> Sreenivasa Murthy

>

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advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair"

<madathilnair wrote:

>

> Namaste Murthy-ji.

>

> That indeed is a very beatutiful, lucid Ramana quote by Shri

Peterji.

>

> I am not a jnAni. I am not qualified to help or guide. This is

just

> a thought stirred up by your question quoted below:

>

> The answer to your poser is very much in the Bhagwad GItA in the

> words of Lord Krishna : "abhyAsena tu Kaunteya..".

>

> I should, therefore, imagine that practice of the knowledge is the

> only way to realizing and living it. When one is convinced that

one

> is the world, then one has to necessarily begin living that

> conviction. They are the dhIrAs and to them alone belong the

Truth.

>

> Living the knowledge is really a very arduous task. However, a

> beginning can right now be made by applying it in selected, less

> painful areas like those relating to the body, ego, sense of

> possession etc., at least partly, if not completely. Let that be

the

> foundation to build on subsequently.

>

 

Namaste sadhakas,

 

Let me share a pleasant feeling. While composing a response in this

thread 'Realization', the following quote, also uttered by Bhagavan

Ramana, came to my mind:

dR^ishTim jnaanamayIm kR^itvaa pashyed brahma-mayam jagat

 

Somehow, i did not mention this in this form, but gave an indication

to it in other words. I was surprised to see Peter ji's subsequent

post exactly expatiating the above quote, in Bhagavan's own words.

Again, seeing Sri Murty's query, i thought of 'abhyasa', etc. and

the Gita and Nayar ji just mentioned it. Just a few minutes ago i

opened the Panchadashi chapter 11 verse 124 to discuss with a friend

and it says who a DhIra is:

 

124. Wisdom (DhIratva) consists in subjugating the desires for sense-

pleasure, even when the passions are strong and in engaging the mind

in meditation on Brahman with the desire to enjoy the bliss.

 

Soon after, i opened the Sridakshinamurti Stotram to compose the

next part of my post, it called out to me 'tameva DhIro vijnaaya'

mantra of the Brihadaranyaka. And when i opened the List to see the

latest post, i find Nayar ji talking about DhIra !

 

Now, please tell me friends, is this some kind of telepathy? Should

we discern a 'daiva balam' in this?

 

Pranams to all,

subbu

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Telepathy is a modern word, dear Subbuji.

 

Such coincidences are the way Providence expresses Itself and that

was what I meant when I said in my last post that grace will pour out

from unexpected quarters in quite unexpected manner.

 

The only thing we need to do is give the heart. That, alas, is the

last thing we do!

 

In my initial days with vedanta, I remember, books and words of the

knowledgeable used to pour in from every direction I turned. Of

late, I seem to have lost that grace. Perhaps, I have selfishly

taken my heart away from the Lotus Feet.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, "subrahmanian_v"

<subrahmanian_v wrote:

>>

> Now, please tell me friends, is this some kind of telepathy?

Should

> we discern a 'daiva balam' in this?

>

>

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advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair"

<madathilnair wrote:

>

H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

Pranams to all.

Dear Sri Madatil Nairji,

You have written in your latest posting:

<I am not a jnAni. I am not qualified to help or guide.>

 

A question to you;

How do you KNOW that you are not a jnani?

Please inquire into this to the very depth and

there will be the realisation:

" I AM The PURE CONCIOUSNESS

which ILLUMINES both jnana and ajnana and untouched

by both.".

PLEASE CONDUCT THIS EXPERIMENT.

With warm and respectful regards,

Sreenivasa murthy

>

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Namaste Shri Murthyji.

 

I seem to have carried coal to New Castle. My apologies.

 

I do have an academic understanding that "I AM the PURE CONCIOUSNESS

which ILLUMINES both jnana and ajnana and untouched by both."

 

But, the tragedy is that, despite the above understanidng, I am still

touched, nay afflicted, by both and my jnAna is a miserable

objectification that can exist only as an antonym of ajnAna.

 

Whatever I wrote about abhyAsa in my last post was a humble endeavour

towards *being* jnAna without antonym, i.e. towards living as PURE

AWARENESS.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, "narayana145" <narayana145

wrote:

>> Dear Sri Madatil Nairji,

> You have written in your latest posting:

> <I am not a jnAni. I am not qualified to help or guide.>

>

> A question to you;

>

> How do you KNOW that you are not a jnani?

>

> Please inquire into this to the very depth and

> there will be the realisation:

> " I AM The PURE CONCIOUSNESS

> which ILLUMINES both jnana and ajnana and untouched

> by both.".

> PLEASE CONDUCT THIS EXPERIMENT.

>

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Dear All,

Yesturday I was reading a book by my Gurudev and in her usual way she put the topic of realisation in the normal worldly sense. She shares ' Once during darshan a disciple came upto Gurudev and asked her "Are u a realised being ?". Gurudev just smiled because the question was one which could not be answered. If she said Yes ! I am realised than it mean she still had the sense of separation of "I" from the universal self and if she said "No ! I am not realised" again she was going to make false all the knowledge she had imparted the disciples "The self is same in all, and realisation is the permanent dissolution of the limited identity of the self with the body and ego".

Finally the master said; "I am the self and so are you" and a lightning smile which pierces the heart and dissolves all the doubts of mind.

Later she adds, realisation is the state of being permanently in bliss. If you can remain blissfull without any external support or event, know that as realisation.

thats for now frm me.

sai the seeker

 

 

Its Sai.

 

 

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