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Hi All -

 

I've been doing yoga for about 19 months largely as a result of this

group. I do it from about one to three times a week depending on my

schedule. It is something that is an easy thing, but I enjoy it. The

thing that happens is that when I do a session, all I seem to be able

to do is get something to eat then go home to sleep. If I do yoga

after work it is no problem for me to asleep by 7:30 PM and not to

wake till the next 11 hours when I have to go back to work.

 

The thing is that the sleep is very good and very deep. It is restful

and restorative sleep. The dreams are usually nice if I remember them.

If I don't go to sleep I'm dragging rest of the evening. The problem

with this is that the sleep is using up my creative time. Evening is

when I like to read and to write. I usually only need to sleep from 4

and half hours to six hours a night.

 

My question is this sleep a good thing or bad thing? Is it something

that I'll outgrow? Is there something that I need to change?

 

Any help or advice is appreciated.

 

Pax,

 

Eric Otto

Cincinnati

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Yoga is a large catch all phrase for really any of the practices of the

eight limbs of Patanjali, as even one performing the yamas or basic positve

restraints on conduct could be doing yoga. Could you be a bit more specific

about your practice? Is it hatha? And if so what school? Or raja, and if so

what school? Each type or practice will have different outcomes as far as

how much purification versus lifestyle conditioning, etc...

 

Often, purification on top of a full work schedule tends to merely rid one

of daily accumulated kleshas, rather than cutting through deep and lasting

samskaras. If as you say you're only doing this one to three times a week

then what really is the problem? The other nights maybe you can do your

creative work.

 

At any rate, you should view all restorative practices as enhancing your

basic creative connection or ground as they clear away the aging and

freeradical mentality which overwork and stress exacerbate. Thus perhaps

making your remaining free time more effective. Peace.

 

 

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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:38 PM

Yoga Question

 

 

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> Hi All -

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> I've been doing yoga for about 19 months largely as a result of this

> group. I do it from about one to three times a week depending on my

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Hello Llundrub -

 

Thank you for your thoughtful questions. The yoga that I do is Anusara

yoga that is a hatha yoga with a blend of tantra. It seems to be a yoga

of the heart because they always emphasize the heart in the practice and

movement. It is very popular here and the studio is convenient to my

home and work. I found it more challenging than Avinya yoga. I don't

know what the particular outcomes Anusara is going after, but the

teachers seem very concerned about aligning the body and opening of the

heart chakra.

 

Reading what you wrote, I'm thinking that the yoga is clearing out more

than the kleshas of daily life. I think perhaps that many years of

stress are finally being released. If it isn't samkaras, it must be some

fairly deep things. I didn't see it as a purification. Instead of the

sleep being a problem, therefore, it maybe a blessing and I need to

adjust my week accordingly as you say.

 

The sleep is very deep and very refreshing.

 

Thank you for your insight in this.

 

Many blessings to you.

 

Eric

 

 

 

, "Llundrub" <llundrub wrote:

>

> restraints on conduct could be doing yoga. Could you be a bit more

specific

> about your practice? Is it hatha? And if so what school? Or raja, and

if so

> what school? Each type or practice will have different outcomes as

far as

> how much purification versus lifestyle conditioning, etc...

>

> Often, purification on top of a full work schedule tends to merely rid

one

> of daily accumulated kleshas, rather than cutting through deep and

lasting

> samskaras. If as you say you're only doing this one to three times a

week

> then what really is the problem? The other nights maybe you can do

your

> creative work.

>

> At any rate, you should view all restorative practices as enhancing

your

> basic creative connection or ground as they clear away the aging and

> freeradical mentality which overwork and stress exacerbate. Thus

perhaps

> making your remaining free time more effective. Peace.

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Hi Eric

Hatha Yoga , has a strong influence on the functioning of the

endocrine glands. This becomes especially pronounced if the

practice is combined with Chakra meditation, intonation of sounds and

Bandhas (or Mudras).

 

The thyroid gland is the clock of the body so to say and rules over

the bodys internal time. Sleep dream and activity and inertia in the

waking state is also governed by the excretions of this gland.

 

A balanced and good Yoga Training will result in Lightness of the

Body, the need for a little less sleep, and a balanced peaceful

calm but nonetheless active and aware state of mind.

 

According to your description you are experiencing the opposite of

the desired result, though relaxation should and can occur,

an increase of sleep and inertia is not to be expected,and not wished

for, and should not occur unless something is going wrong,

 

Lightness, awareness, reduction of sleep and a balanced energy boost

should result from Yoga Practice. Your doubts are correct and show an

appropriate awareness of your body that is necessary for Yoga.

 

A diagnosis from afar why the positive results of Yoga are not

happening to you and instead you experience sleep and inertia is not

possible.

 

What is the condition of your thyroid gland? Are you sufffering from

other bodily problems? If there is a malfunctioning of the

thyroid gland or other health problems some mudras bandhas and

exercises are prohibited and if nonetheless practiced can

cause a lot of serious problems.

 

I am interested to hear what your Teacher commented on your

situation, i have 36 Years experience practicing Hatha Yoga having

started when i was 12- 13, and i have also consulted my wife who

spent most of her life in India and Nepal also working as a student

and Yoga Teacher, and we both agree that you should personally

consult with a good yoga teacher near you to find out the reason for

your problem, maybe also a second opinion apart from your Trainer.

 

Generally while practicing hatha yoga it is important to trust you

own feelings, if you doubt, stop the practice and immediately

consult with a competent teacher, this awareness about the condition

of your body is an important part and aim of yoga.

 

Together with the advice of your Teacher you should find a routine

and set of exercises that suit you and the state of your body/mind

and gives the desired results mentionend by me.

Practicing Yoga you need an individual schedule, some exercises that

are a help to others can harm you and vice versa.

 

This is especially true in the advanced practices like chakra

meditations intonations of sounds, and bandhas and mudras you can

very easily upset the intricate natural balance of the endocrinal

system by wrong exercises or wrong breathing patterns, caution and

guidance and awareness are necessary even if you do not suffer from

health problems.

 

Mahahradanatha

 

, "Eric Otto" <eottoe2001

wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi All -

>

> I've been doing yoga for about 19 months largely as a result of this

> group. I do it from about one to three times a week depending on my

> schedule. It is something that is an easy thing, but I enjoy it. The

> thing that happens is that when I do a session, all I seem to be

able

> to do is get something to eat then go home to sleep. If I do yoga

> after work it is no problem for me to asleep by 7:30 PM and not to

> wake till the next 11 hours when I have to go back to work.

>

> The thing is that the sleep is very good and very deep. It is

restful

> and restorative sleep. The dreams are usually nice if I remember

them.

> If I don't go to sleep I'm dragging rest of the evening. The problem

> with this is that the sleep is using up my creative time. Evening is

> when I like to read and to write. I usually only need to sleep from

4

> and half hours to six hours a night.

>

> My question is this sleep a good thing or bad thing? Is it something

> that I'll outgrow? Is there something that I need to change?

>

> Any help or advice is appreciated.

>

> Pax,

>

> Eric Otto

> Cincinnati

>

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Mahahradanatha gave you an excellent advice - I second it. Find a GOOD

TRUSTWORTHY Teacher.

 

Also, your symptoms may suggest overstressing, either from the practice, or

that your practice is trying to remedy by permitting your body to rest

(sleep). Are you working harder than people usually would? Perhaps you

should consider increasing frequency of the classes (every day, or at least

every other day) and reducing the load in each class? Also, if you were

forcing yourself to cut on the sleep time - perhaps your body is taking

that time back because it needs it for recuperation?

Also, as my Teacher usually says "what you do outside of your practice time

is of great importance".

Also, some say that practicing Bandhas and Mudras not under strict

observation and control of a Master is likelier to bring demise than

success. You might consider excluding those from your practice (if you were

"unconcerned" enough to do them in the first place) and see if there's any

difference.

Also, if your practice ends with meditation - perhaps you aren't ready to

meditate that long...

 

Teacher should be able to help with all of those issues, and with whatever

that's not covered.

 

 

 

 

_____

 

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On Behalf Of mahahradanatha

Friday, July 21, 2006 06:47

 

Re: Yoga Question

 

 

 

Hi Eric

Hatha Yoga , has a strong influence on the functioning of the

endocrine glands. This becomes especially pronounced if the

practice is combined with Chakra meditation, intonation of sounds and

Bandhas (or Mudras).

 

The thyroid gland is the clock of the body so to say and rules over

the bodys internal time. Sleep dream and activity and inertia in the

waking state is also governed by the excretions of this gland.

 

A balanced and good Yoga Training will result in Lightness of the

Body, the need for a little less sleep, and a balanced peaceful

calm but nonetheless active and aware state of mind.

 

According to your description you are experiencing the opposite of

the desired result, though relaxation should and can occur,

an increase of sleep and inertia is not to be expected,and not wished

for, and should not occur unless something is going wrong,

 

Lightness, awareness, reduction of sleep and a balanced energy boost

should result from Yoga Practice. Your doubts are correct and show an

appropriate awareness of your body that is necessary for Yoga.

 

A diagnosis from afar why the positive results of Yoga are not

happening to you and instead you experience sleep and inertia is not

possible.

 

What is the condition of your thyroid gland? Are you sufffering from

other bodily problems? If there is a malfunctioning of the

thyroid gland or other health problems some mudras bandhas and

exercises are prohibited and if nonetheless practiced can

cause a lot of serious problems.

 

I am interested to hear what your Teacher commented on your

situation, i have 36 Years experience practicing Hatha Yoga having

started when i was 12- 13, and i have also consulted my wife who

spent most of her life in India and Nepal also working as a student

and Yoga Teacher, and we both agree that you should personally

consult with a good yoga teacher near you to find out the reason for

your problem, maybe also a second opinion apart from your Trainer.

 

Generally while practicing hatha yoga it is important to trust you

own feelings, if you doubt, stop the practice and immediately

consult with a competent teacher, this awareness about the condition

of your body is an important part and aim of yoga.

 

Together with the advice of your Teacher you should find a routine

and set of exercises that suit you and the state of your body/mind

and gives the desired results mentionend by me.

Practicing Yoga you need an individual schedule, some exercises that

are a help to others can harm you and vice versa.

 

This is especially true in the advanced practices like chakra

meditations intonations of sounds, and bandhas and mudras you can

very easily upset the intricate natural balance of the endocrinal

system by wrong exercises or wrong breathing patterns, caution and

guidance and awareness are necessary even if you do not suffer from

health problems.

 

Mahahradanatha

 

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, "Eric Otto" <eottoe2001

wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi All -

>

> I've been doing yoga for about 19 months largely as a result of this

> group. I do it from about one to three times a week depending on my

> schedule. It is something that is an easy thing, but I enjoy it. The

> thing that happens is that when I do a session, all I seem to be

able

> to do is get something to eat then go home to sleep. If I do yoga

> after work it is no problem for me to asleep by 7:30 PM and not to

> wake till the next 11 hours when I have to go back to work.

>

> The thing is that the sleep is very good and very deep. It is

restful

> and restorative sleep. The dreams are usually nice if I remember

them.

> If I don't go to sleep I'm dragging rest of the evening. The problem

> with this is that the sleep is using up my creative time. Evening is

> when I like to read and to write. I usually only need to sleep from

4

> and half hours to six hours a night.

>

> My question is this sleep a good thing or bad thing? Is it something

> that I'll outgrow? Is there something that I need to change?

>

> Any help or advice is appreciated.

>

> Pax,

>

> Eric Otto

> Cincinnati

>

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Hi Eric:

 

You seem to be getting excellent advice already, so I will just add

one small observation:

 

In the big picture, and especially in the early stages, a hatha yoga

practice starts a movement toward BALANCE. Thus, there is no need at

the outset to consciously force modification your behavior -- for

example, if you're a smoker, hathayoga will naturally, as your

practice becomes entrenched, make you feel less need for tobacco;

likewise, the non-vegetarian will feel less need for meat; the

hyperglycemic will feel less need for sugar; and so on.

 

And yes, those who get too little sleep will suddenly feel a need

for lots of sleep; just as those who sleep too much will find

themselves needing much less sleep. I think this is probably what is

happening to you.

 

It's nothing to worry about, most likely. It's kind of

detoxification; so the effects might seem extreme or uncomnfortable

or unnerving at first. The thing is to just keep up your practice

and listen to your body. Give it what it's asking for. Trust in the

process. In the early stages of achieving balance, what is needed?

Counterweights, always. So relax and let the process work itself

through.

 

You say you feel good. Your comments indicate that you are paying

attention. It is true that having a good teacher is always the best

way, but in lieu of that, your body is an even better teacher -- if

you listen. Sounds like you are doing that. So I would not worry

much at all.

 

[bTW, your comments on the vocabulary problems here are duly noted.

In the future, I will endeavor to eschew obfuscation. ;-) ]

 

My 2 cents

 

DB

 

 

, Mouse <uri wrote:

>

> Mahahradanatha gave you an excellent advice - I second it. Find a

GOOD

> TRUSTWORTHY Teacher.

>

[...] Lightness, awareness, reduction of sleep and a balanced energy

boost should result from Yoga Practice. Your doubts are correct and

show an appropriate awareness of your body that is necessary for

Yoga.

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