Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Learned Members, Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden for gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they enter the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband to follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. Thanks & Regards, Shailaja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Dear Shailaja It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men when they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare chested, with only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples follow the same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities installed at various temples. Harry Shailaja <m_shailaja > wrote: Learned Members, Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden for gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they enter the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband to follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. Thanks & Regards, Shailaja Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 dear friends the wearing of white colour dhoti by men has been the dresscode for all spiritual persons and even the grihasthas while participating in religious or spiritual exercies, they used to wear only a dhoti. lord shri vishnu was referred as pitambardhari. other than dhoti they used to wear an angavasthram in normal and they used to tie the same at the waist portion during religious poojas and spiritual yogas. so, instead of following this dhoti and angavasthram dresscode, modern people have loosely transformed it to into bare chest dress code with their pants and pyjamas on which is not as per tradition. the same white dhoti dress code was followed by the priests in the greek religions which is well documented in history books. even the roman priests used to wear white dhoti which find mention in various books. jesus was also wearing white dhoti only but was ignored for following by his followers. even today all spiritually elevated muslims who undertake haj yatra invariably wear only a white dhoti with bare chest. all tv cheannels show every day how yoga guru ramdevji teaches yoga exercises and pranayama with dhoti and bare chest. other than tradition, the logical rational reasoning is that all these spiritual people used to do pranayama, yoga and meditation in which a simple dhoti would be comfortable and ideal. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun vedic astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear Shailaja > > It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men when they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare chested, with only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples follow the same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities installed at various temples. > > Harry > > Shailaja <m_shailaja wrote: > Learned Members, > > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden for > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they enter > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband to > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? > > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. > > Thanks & > Regards, > Shailaja > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Dear Arjunji and others , With all respect , this still does not answer the question why ? In earlier days women also used to do Pranayama et al , stil they would cover their whole body . Something deeper may be there to this practice is what my guess is . For example , why does Saraswati is shown carrying a Veena ? Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha ---------- -------------------------------- § Training § Development § Relationships email : hmm_aha growthanddevelopment Saturdaybusinessclub http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html ---------- -------------------------------- - panditarjun2004 vedic astrology Friday, July 21, 2006 11:04 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents in south indian temples? dear friends the wearing of white colour dhoti by men has been the dresscode for all spiritual persons and even the grihasthas while participating in religious or spiritual exercies, they used to wear only a dhoti. lord shri vishnu was referred as pitambardhari. other than dhoti they used to wear an angavasthram in normal and they used to tie the same at the waist portion during religious poojas and spiritual yogas. so, instead of following this dhoti and angavasthram dresscode, modern people have loosely transformed it to into bare chest dress code with their pants and pyjamas on which is not as per tradition. the same white dhoti dress code was followed by the priests in the greek religions which is well documented in history books. even the roman priests used to wear white dhoti which find mention in various books. jesus was also wearing white dhoti only but was ignored for following by his followers. even today all spiritually elevated muslims who undertake haj yatra invariably wear only a white dhoti with bare chest. all tv cheannels show every day how yoga guru ramdevji teaches yoga exercises and pranayama with dhoti and bare chest. other than tradition, the logical rational reasoning is that all these spiritual people used to do pranayama, yoga and meditation in which a simple dhoti would be comfortable and ideal. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun vedic astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear Shailaja > > It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men when they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare chested, with only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples follow the same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities installed at various temples. > > Harry > > Shailaja <m_shailaja wrote: > Learned Members, > > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden for > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they enter > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband to > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? > > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. > > Thanks & > Regards, > Shailaja > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 dear anandji i have given the genesis of the dress code for doing religious rituals (including visiting preachin mandirs for doing pooja) and how it got transformed from dhoti and angavasthra to the bare chest. you may add or supplement with further information or any deeper meanings from your guess, if you are not convinced with my explanation. with best wishes pandit arjun vedic astrology, Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Arjunji and others , > > With all respect , this still does not answer the question why ? > > In earlier days women also used to do Pranayama et al , stil they would cover their whole body . > > Something deeper may be there to this practice is what my guess is . > > For example , why does Saraswati is shown carrying a Veena ? > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > - --------- > -------------------------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships > > email : hmm_aha > growthanddevelopment > > Saturdaybusinessclub > > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > > > - --------- > -------------------------------- > - > panditarjun2004 > vedic astrology > Friday, July 21, 2006 11:04 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents in south indian temples? > > > dear friends > > the wearing of white colour dhoti by men has been the dresscode for > all spiritual persons and even the grihasthas while participating in > religious or spiritual exercies, they used to wear only a dhoti. > lord shri vishnu was referred as pitambardhari. other than dhoti > they used to wear an angavasthram in normal and they used to tie the > same at the waist portion during religious poojas and spiritual > yogas. so, instead of following this dhoti and angavasthram > dresscode, modern people have loosely transformed it to into bare > chest dress code with their pants and pyjamas on which is not as per > tradition. > > the same white dhoti dress code was followed by the priests in the > greek religions which is well documented in history books. > > even the roman priests used to wear white dhoti which find mention > in various books. > > jesus was also wearing white dhoti only but was ignored for > following by his followers. > > even today all spiritually elevated muslims who undertake haj yatra > invariably wear only a white dhoti with bare chest. > > all tv cheannels show every day how yoga guru ramdevji teaches yoga > exercises and pranayama with dhoti and bare chest. > > other than tradition, the logical rational reasoning is that all > these spiritual people used to do pranayama, yoga and meditation in > which a simple dhoti would be comfortable and ideal. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > vedic astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shailaja > > > > It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men when > they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare chested, with > only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples follow the > same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities > installed at various temples. > > > > Harry > > > > Shailaja <m_shailaja@> wrote: > > Learned Members, > > > > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden for > > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they > enter > > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband to > > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? > > > > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. > > > > Thanks & > > Regards, > > Shailaja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Respected Anandji, You are right. That explaination still does not answer the question WHY? I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath and wearing wet cloth, bare chested. They are also not aware of the reason. For them this is a custom. Use of drums and bells, Flower, Chandana, Tulsi, Honey, Milk, Camphor, idol, Mango leaf during pooja, Touching elders feet for blessings, Havan, Holy river water for drinking and bath (Silica in such water cures lots of diseases), Ornaments.... each and every such thing holds scientific reason. How beautifully and smartly our ancestors brought these things into our life. Regards, Shailaja vedic astrology, Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Arjunji and others , > > With all respect , this still does not answer the question why ? > > In earlier days women also used to do Pranayama et al , stil they would cover their whole body . > > Something deeper may be there to this practice is what my guess is . > > For example , why does Saraswati is shown carrying a Veena ? > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > - --------- > -------------------------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships > > email : hmm_aha > growthanddevelopment > > Saturdaybusinessclub > > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > > > - --------- > -------------------------------- > - > panditarjun2004 > vedic astrology > Friday, July 21, 2006 11:04 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents in south indian temples? > > > dear friends > > the wearing of white colour dhoti by men has been the dresscode for > all spiritual persons and even the grihasthas while participating in > religious or spiritual exercies, they used to wear only a dhoti. > lord shri vishnu was referred as pitambardhari. other than dhoti > they used to wear an angavasthram in normal and they used to tie the > same at the waist portion during religious poojas and spiritual > yogas. so, instead of following this dhoti and angavasthram > dresscode, modern people have loosely transformed it to into bare > chest dress code with their pants and pyjamas on which is not as per > tradition. > > the same white dhoti dress code was followed by the priests in the > greek religions which is well documented in history books. > > even the roman priests used to wear white dhoti which find mention > in various books. > > jesus was also wearing white dhoti only but was ignored for > following by his followers. > > even today all spiritually elevated muslims who undertake haj yatra > invariably wear only a white dhoti with bare chest. > > all tv cheannels show every day how yoga guru ramdevji teaches yoga > exercises and pranayama with dhoti and bare chest. > > other than tradition, the logical rational reasoning is that all > these spiritual people used to do pranayama, yoga and meditation in > which a simple dhoti would be comfortable and ideal. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > vedic astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shailaja > > > > It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men when > they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare chested, with > only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples follow the > same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities > installed at various temples. > > > > Harry > > > > Shailaja <m_shailaja@> wrote: > > Learned Members, > > > > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden for > > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they > enter > > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband to > > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? > > > > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. > > > > Thanks & > > Regards, > > Shailaja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 dear friend i know the scientific reasoning for all the items you mentioned which are used. i also know the scientific reasoning for wearing a dhoti and the way it is folded and tied. but i do not know any reason for bare chest visit only for men, be it as a doctrine of classics or some scientific reasoning. all i know is that it is a transformed dress code which is not a rule or tradition either. since you are not convinced with my explanation, may anandji or other more learnt people give the scientific explanation or deeper meaning for this bare chest visit by men. with best wishes pandit arjun vedic astrology, "Shailaja" <m_shailaja wrote: > > Respected Anandji, > > You are right. That explaination still does not answer the question > WHY? > > I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath and wearing > wet cloth, bare chested. They are also not aware of the reason. For > them this is a custom. > > Use of drums and bells, Flower, Chandana, Tulsi, Honey, Milk, > Camphor, idol, Mango leaf during pooja, Touching elders feet for > blessings, Havan, Holy river water for drinking and bath (Silica in > such water cures lots of diseases), Ornaments.... each and every > such thing holds scientific reason. How beautifully and smartly our > ancestors brought these things into our life. > > Regards, > Shailaja > > vedic astrology, Anand <anand.ghurye@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Arjunji and others , > > > > With all respect , this still does not answer the question why ? > > > > In earlier days women also used to do Pranayama et al , stil they > would cover their whole body . > > > > Something deeper may be there to this practice is what my guess > is . > > > > For example , why does Saraswati is shown carrying a Veena ? > > > > Regards , > > > > Anand > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha@ > > > > -------------------------------- -- > --------- > > -------------------------------- > > § Training § Development § Relationships > > > > email : hmm_aha@ > > growthanddevelopment > > > > Saturdaybusinessclub > > > > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > > > > > > -------------------------------- -- > --------- > > -------------------------------- > > - > > panditarjun2004 > > vedic astrology > > Friday, July 21, 2006 11:04 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents in > south indian temples? > > > > > > dear friends > > > > the wearing of white colour dhoti by men has been the dresscode > for > > all spiritual persons and even the grihasthas while > participating in > > religious or spiritual exercies, they used to wear only a dhoti. > > lord shri vishnu was referred as pitambardhari. other than dhoti > > they used to wear an angavasthram in normal and they used to tie > the > > same at the waist portion during religious poojas and spiritual > > yogas. so, instead of following this dhoti and angavasthram > > dresscode, modern people have loosely transformed it to into > bare > > chest dress code with their pants and pyjamas on which is not as > per > > tradition. > > > > the same white dhoti dress code was followed by the priests in > the > > greek religions which is well documented in history books. > > > > even the roman priests used to wear white dhoti which find > mention > > in various books. > > > > jesus was also wearing white dhoti only but was ignored for > > following by his followers. > > > > even today all spiritually elevated muslims who undertake haj > yatra > > invariably wear only a white dhoti with bare chest. > > > > all tv cheannels show every day how yoga guru ramdevji teaches > yoga > > exercises and pranayama with dhoti and bare chest. > > > > other than tradition, the logical rational reasoning is that all > > these spiritual people used to do pranayama, yoga and meditation > in > > which a simple dhoti would be comfortable and ideal. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > vedic astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\) > Nathani" > > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shailaja > > > > > > It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men when > > they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare chested, > with > > only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples follow > the > > same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities > > installed at various temples. > > > > > > Harry > > > > > > Shailaja <m_shailaja@> wrote: > > > Learned Members, > > > > > > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden > for > > > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they > > enter > > > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband > to > > > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? > > > > > > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. > > > > > > Thanks & > > > Regards, > > > Shailaja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US > (and > > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Dear Members In Jainism (the sect, I follow) - male need not be bare chest, but their nose / mouth must be covered. The pooja cloth must not be stitched (even used to cover chest / nose / mouth). yes it is also true that, it is not followed strictly by people these days. Even the pooja cloth used in Haj, must not be stitched one. regards / Prafulla Gang In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice. > > panditarjun2004 > Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:15:58 -0000 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents in south > indian temples? > > dear friend > > i know the scientific reasoning for all the items you mentioned > which are used. i also know the scientific reasoning for wearing a > dhoti and the way it is folded and tied. but i do not know any > reason for bare chest visit only for men, be it as a doctrine of > classics or some scientific reasoning. all i know is that it is a > transformed dress code which is not a rule or tradition either. > > since you are not convinced with my explanation, may anandji or > other more learnt people give the scientific explanation or deeper > meaning for this bare chest visit by men. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > vedic astrology, "Shailaja" <m_shailaja > wrote: >> >> Respected Anandji, >> >> You are right. That explaination still does not answer the > question >> WHY? >> >> I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath and > wearing >> wet cloth, bare chested. They are also not aware of the reason. > For >> them this is a custom. >> >> Use of drums and bells, Flower, Chandana, Tulsi, Honey, Milk, >> Camphor, idol, Mango leaf during pooja, Touching elders feet for >> blessings, Havan, Holy river water for drinking and bath (Silica > in >> such water cures lots of diseases), Ornaments.... each and every >> such thing holds scientific reason. How beautifully and smartly > our >> ancestors brought these things into our life. >> >> Regards, >> Shailaja >> >> vedic astrology, Anand <anand.ghurye@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Arjunji and others , >>> >>> With all respect , this still does not answer the question why ? >>> >>> In earlier days women also used to do Pranayama et al , stil > they >> would cover their whole body . >>> >>> Something deeper may be there to this practice is what my guess >> is . >>> >>> For example , why does Saraswati is shown carrying a Veena ? >>> >>> Regards , >>> >>> Anand >>> >>> A. K. Ghurye >>> Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha@ >>> >>> -------------------------------- > -- >> --------- >>> -------------------------------- >>> § Training § Development § Relationships >>> >>> email : hmm_aha@ >>> growthanddevelopment >>> >>> Saturdaybusinessclub >>> >>> http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------- > -- >> --------- >>> -------------------------------- >>> - >>> panditarjun2004 >>> vedic astrology >>> Friday, July 21, 2006 11:04 AM >>> [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents > in >> south indian temples? >>> >>> >>> dear friends >>> >>> the wearing of white colour dhoti by men has been the > dresscode >> for >>> all spiritual persons and even the grihasthas while >> participating in >>> religious or spiritual exercies, they used to wear only a > dhoti. >>> lord shri vishnu was referred as pitambardhari. other than > dhoti >>> they used to wear an angavasthram in normal and they used to > tie >> the >>> same at the waist portion during religious poojas and > spiritual >>> yogas. so, instead of following this dhoti and angavasthram >>> dresscode, modern people have loosely transformed it to into >> bare >>> chest dress code with their pants and pyjamas on which is not > as >> per >>> tradition. >>> >>> the same white dhoti dress code was followed by the priests in >> the >>> greek religions which is well documented in history books. >>> >>> even the roman priests used to wear white dhoti which find >> mention >>> in various books. >>> >>> jesus was also wearing white dhoti only but was ignored for >>> following by his followers. >>> >>> even today all spiritually elevated muslims who undertake haj >> yatra >>> invariably wear only a white dhoti with bare chest. >>> >>> all tv cheannels show every day how yoga guru ramdevji teaches >> yoga >>> exercises and pranayama with dhoti and bare chest. >>> >>> other than tradition, the logical rational reasoning is that > all >>> these spiritual people used to do pranayama, yoga and > meditation >> in >>> which a simple dhoti would be comfortable and ideal. >>> >>> with best wishes and blessings >>> pandit arjun >>> vedic astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\) >> Nathani" >>> <haresh1405@> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear Shailaja >>> > >>> > It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men > when >>> they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare > chested, >> with >>> only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples > follow >> the >>> same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities >>> installed at various temples. >>> > >>> > Harry >>> > >>> > Shailaja <m_shailaja@> wrote: >>> > Learned Members, >>> > >>> > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is > forbidden >> for >>> > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when > they >>> enter >>> > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my > husband >> to >>> > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? >>> > >>> > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. >>> > >>> > Thanks & >>> > Regards, >>> > Shailaja >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the > US >> (and >>> 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. >>> > >>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Namaskar learned Gurus and friends, I am putting forward my understanding of the issue of men praying bare chested in southindian temples. 1)firstly as Panditji mentioned it has to do with spirituality and comfort while performing religious functions 2)in north India, it is not compulsory because,of the extreme climatic conditions,as compared to south India. 3)for women it does not apply on the purpose of modesty and also because,it is believed women are more on the intuitive side and may be more receptive to the positive vibrations that are emanated from the temple deity we are praying to. 4)all religious rules are based on the climatic conditions,geography,seasonal changes,etc for example,in north India,married women should wear bright coloured saris-red,green,orange and should not wear white based saris but in Kerala,it is ok for married women to wear white based saris,which is understandable considering the humid climate and Sun. Sincerely, Bindiya. 'Agnyaan timiraandhasya gnyaanjana shalaakaya yen chakshu oonmeelitam tasmai Shri Gurave Namah.' -------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee® Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 namaste, > You are right. That explaination still does > not answer the question WHY? We are told that in deva-lokas, pitr-lokas and manushya-lokas, the upper garment is worn in a particular way. When performing daiva- karmas, pitr-karmas or manushya-karmas, we also wear the upper garment accordingly. One does not perform karma bare chested. The second piece of upper- cloth (uttariyam) is required (but worn in the daiva-manner). However, to show out humility before God (or acharyas), it is commonly tied around the waist. There are other nadi-level reasons as well, but I do not know enough about it. You should really direct your questions to practitioners of ashtanga-yoga. > I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath > and wearing wet cloth, bare chested. What is the surprise here? One does not bathe nude as per our scriptures. They bathe with the clothes while chanting the abhimarshana mantras which cleanse the person and cloth. With that perfect purity, they perform the karma with the same cloth.....as opposed to using a previously dried cloth where spiders or other insects may have been. ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya Respected Members, White Dhoti and White Angavasthram are the traditional attires of India except for sadhus afcourse who were saffron attires. The foremost reason for enforcing this is, to bring about humility in our hearts and change psychologically the frame of mind to that of worship leaving behind all external "koshas" as the Taittriya Upanishad says. The powerful saying that "Earth returns to Earth" is instilled in every action/ritual of our Vedic culture. Even when offering the ahuti in the yagna we say "Idham Na Mama" - Not mine. Sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamasthu lalitha v vedic astrology, "Shailaja" <m_shailaja wrote: > > Learned Members, > > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden for > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they enter > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband to > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? > > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. > > Thanks & > Regards, > Shailaja > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Mme, I agree to your views. Certain human gesticulation marks their humble submissiveness to powers that be. Similarly in TamilNadu it is held that a man in bare shoulders with folded hands before the superiors / Masters is a mark of respect. With regards, D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta. lalithav <lalithav > wrote: Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya Respected Members, White Dhoti and White Angavasthram are the traditional attires of India except for sadhus afcourse who were saffron attires. The foremost reason for enforcing this is, to bring about humility in our hearts and change psychologically the frame of mind to that of worship leaving behind all external "koshas" as the Taittriya Upanishad says. The powerful saying that "Earth returns to Earth" is instilled in every action/ritual of our Vedic culture. Even when offering the ahuti in the yagna we say "Idham Na Mama" - Not mine. Sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamasthu lalitha v vedic astrology, "Shailaja" <m_shailaja wrote: > > Learned Members, > > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is forbidden for > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when they enter > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my husband to > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY? > > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please. > > Thanks & > Regards, > Shailaja > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 In Haridwar and Badrinath and temples in cold climates of North Indian, every one including the priest wear a woolen shirt to protect against the cold. So this rule is modified depending on Time and Place. South India is never so cold as to require protection in temples. --- Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan > wrote: > > namaste, > > > You are right. That explaination still does > > not answer the question WHY? > > We are told that in deva-lokas, pitr-lokas and manushya-lokas, the > upper garment is worn in a particular way. When performing daiva- > karmas, pitr-karmas or manushya-karmas, we also wear the upper > garment accordingly. > > One does not perform karma bare chested. The second piece of upper- > cloth (uttariyam) is required (but worn in the daiva-manner). > However, to show out humility before God (or acharyas), it is > commonly tied around the waist. > > There are other nadi-level reasons as well, but I do not know enough > about it. You should really direct your questions to practitioners > of ashtanga-yoga. > > > I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath > > and wearing wet cloth, bare chested. > > What is the surprise here? One does not bathe nude as per our > scriptures. They bathe with the clothes while chanting the > abhimarshana mantras which cleanse the person and cloth. With that > perfect purity, they perform the karma with the same cloth.....as > opposed to using a previously dried cloth where spiders or other > insects may have been. > > ajit > > > > > > > alternate email is raichurar :Location Bombay India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 dear friends there is no rule as such and it is more a matter of conveninece. in poojas and rituals which are done by males, they apply vibhuti on the arms, chest and also in some karmas change their yajnopaveetam from savyam to apasavyam and also for performing anganasysam etc., they find it more comfortable and convenient performing them without a shirt on. in olden days in traditional orthodox brahmins in the south, all women used to take bath early morning and then prepare food with their wet saree (without blouse)and once the cooking is complete then they used to change thier wet clothes to dried ones with a blouse. since in those days, there was no gas or kerosene stove and the kitchen used to have fire, smoke and so much heat and suffocation, the wet saree used to work like a protection from them. later when gas stove came, hardly any women cook with a wet saree without blouse. one shall not follow these orthodox practices blindly without any reasoning or logic. if this was logical in those days, it is illogical these days. so accept only those things which are logical. in conclusion, there is no reason for a male to remove his shirt while visiting a temple to have a darshan of the lord. also what is good as per climatic conditions in one area is not good to another climatic area. for examples in winter, all temples in the north open at 8am while in the south you would find them open at 4am. so wearing woollens by the priests of temples in colder region is good for them and no one can find fault with them. with best wishes pandit arjun vedic astrology, sridhar k <kopparsa wrote: > > In Haridwar and Badrinath and temples in cold climates of North Indian, every > one including the priest wear a woolen shirt to protect against the cold. So > this rule is modified depending on Time and Place. > South India is never so cold as to require protection in temples. > > > > --- Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan wrote: > > > > > namaste, > > > > > You are right. That explaination still does > > > not answer the question WHY? > > > > We are told that in deva-lokas, pitr-lokas and manushya-lokas, the > > upper garment is worn in a particular way. When performing daiva- > > karmas, pitr-karmas or manushya-karmas, we also wear the upper > > garment accordingly. > > > > One does not perform karma bare chested. The second piece of upper- > > cloth (uttariyam) is required (but worn in the daiva-manner). > > However, to show out humility before God (or acharyas), it is > > commonly tied around the waist. > > > > There are other nadi-level reasons as well, but I do not know enough > > about it. You should really direct your questions to practitioners > > of ashtanga-yoga. > > > > > I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath > > > and wearing wet cloth, bare chested. > > > > What is the surprise here? One does not bathe nude as per our > > scriptures. They bathe with the clothes while chanting the > > abhimarshana mantras which cleanse the person and cloth. With that > > perfect purity, they perform the karma with the same cloth.....as > > opposed to using a previously dried cloth where spiders or other > > insects may have been. > > > > ajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alternate email is raichurar:Location Bombay India > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Sir, Before Gurus and elders we are not expected to wear upper garments. In olden days there were only upper garments and not shirts. As a token of respect it was in practice. Even now you can observe this practice among the brahmins who pay visit to their gurus. Same practice is also observed in the temples . good luck babulu panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear friends there is no rule as such and it is more a matter of conveninece. in poojas and rituals which are done by males, they apply vibhuti on the arms, chest and also in some karmas change their yajnopaveetam from savyam to apasavyam and also for performing anganasysam etc., they find it more comfortable and convenient performing them without a shirt on. in olden days in traditional orthodox brahmins in the south, all women used to take bath early morning and then prepare food with their wet saree (without blouse)and once the cooking is complete then they used to change thier wet clothes to dried ones with a blouse. since in those days, there was no gas or kerosene stove and the kitchen used to have fire, smoke and so much heat and suffocation, the wet saree used to work like a protection from them. later when gas stove came, hardly any women cook with a wet saree without blouse. one shall not follow these orthodox practices blindly without any reasoning or logic. if this was logical in those days, it is illogical these days. so accept only those things which are logical. in conclusion, there is no reason for a male to remove his shirt while visiting a temple to have a darshan of the lord. also what is good as per climatic conditions in one area is not good to another climatic area. for examples in winter, all temples in the north open at 8am while in the south you would find them open at 4am. so wearing woollens by the priests of temples in colder region is good for them and no one can find fault with them. with best wishes pandit arjun vedic astrology, sridhar k <kopparsa wrote: > > In Haridwar and Badrinath and temples in cold climates of North Indian, every > one including the priest wear a woolen shirt to protect against the cold. So > this rule is modified depending on Time and Place. > South India is never so cold as to require protection in temples. > > > > --- Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan wrote: > > > > > namaste, > > > > > You are right. That explaination still does > > > not answer the question WHY? > > > > We are told that in deva-lokas, pitr-lokas and manushya-lokas, the > > upper garment is worn in a particular way. When performing daiva- > > karmas, pitr-karmas or manushya-karmas, we also wear the upper > > garment accordingly. > > > > One does not perform karma bare chested. The second piece of upper- > > cloth (uttariyam) is required (but worn in the daiva-manner). > > However, to show out humility before God (or acharyas), it is > > commonly tied around the waist. > > > > There are other nadi-level reasons as well, but I do not know enough > > about it. You should really direct your questions to practitioners > > of ashtanga-yoga. > > > > > I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath > > > and wearing wet cloth, bare chested. > > > > What is the surprise here? One does not bathe nude as per our > > scriptures. They bathe with the clothes while chanting the > > abhimarshana mantras which cleanse the person and cloth. With that > > perfect purity, they perform the karma with the same cloth.....as > > opposed to using a previously dried cloth where spiders or other > > insects may have been. > > > > ajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alternate email is raichurar:Location Bombay India > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on Answers India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear friends, > and also in some karmas change their yajnopaveetam > from savyam to apasavyam Yes, and in these karmas, the upavastram is worn in the same manner as the yagyopavita. i.e. though the chest may be covered, is is still done in the savyam or apasavyam manner based on the karma being performed. > since in those days, there was no gas or kerosene stove and > the kitchen used to have fire, There are still houses where they cook with fire today, but they do so with dry clothes. In homas, every archaka sits beside a big fire today in dry clothes. They do not seem to have any need to cook with wet clothes. They used to cook in wet clothes in previous days for maintaining purity in the kitchen. Women seem to have stopped wearing wet clothes in the kitchen at the same time when men stopped wearing wet clothes during puja. It had more to do with the invention of modern piping (and thus, no need to take bath in the public river), than it did with the invention of the modern stove. ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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