Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Namaste, Respected Members, It is very kind of Sri Sadanandji, Sri Sunderji, and Sri Subbuji to help me with their excellent posts with reference to my earlier note. Sri Sadaji has kindly mentioned: <<<<I requested everyone to examine ruthlessly their own attachments and make an inventory - essentially the attachments are those fields to where the mind runs away later >>> When I try to make such an inventory, I find my strongest attachment is to my body, mind and intellect, and all other (private) attachments, and ragas/dveshas are there only because of my attachment to my body, mind and intellect. It is so strong that I just cannot even imagine that they are “different” from me and I have concluded that they are I only, though the Shastras very clearly say it is a wrong conclusion. When the body gets injured, who is the entity that shouts out of pain? When the body is adorned with beautiful clothes who gets happiness? When the mind gets disturbed, who is that entity that is agitated? When there is success, which is that entity who gets elated? For “my happiness” or to avoid “my unhappiness” all my efforts are towards looking after my body, mind and intellect. I have somehow concluded (maybe because of mutual superimposition) that I am (my) body, I am (my) mind and I am (my) intellect, though I have “knowledge” that the mind, body and intellect are not me and they are objects for “I”. When my body gets injured, I feel I get injured, and I am there, just because my body is there, my mind is there and my intellect is there. The attachment is so strong. Sri Subbuji said: <<< Such is the vasana of `mada' that even with regard to virtues it comes up to spoil the gain had after much struggle. It is like the game of snakes and ladders.>>> IMHO, this vasana is also because of my strong attachment to my body, both gross and subtle. IMHO, All my efforts whether for Preyas or for Shreyas are also the result this attachment. Is there any particular Sadhana to get myself freed from this attachment? Hari Om and warm regards, Mani R. S. Mani Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > Is there any particular Sadhana to get myself freed from this attachment? Namaste, There is no remedy more potent than 'Nama-Smarana' in this age, the name of one's 'Ishta-Devata' or that 'given' (dIkShA) by the Guru. Please visit Prof. VK-ji's site at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/2952/gohitvip/1204.html Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote: > Is there any particular Sadhana to get myself freed from this > attachment? > Hari Om and warm regards, > Mani Maniji - PraNAms. The second aspect of the SAdhana is SUBSTITUTION wherever you have attachment substitute it with the image of the Lord. The Body, mind and intellect are nothing but instruments of the Lord. aham vaisvAnaro bUtvA prANinAm dehamAsritaH prANApAna smAyuktaH pacAmyannam caturvidham|| I as vaiswaanara stay inside all beings and I am the one who is responsible for all the physiological functions - prANa, apAna, vyAna, udAna and samAna and is responsible for the digestion of the four types of food one takes. Food in principle includes not only from the mouth whatever that is taken in from each of the five senses. As a part of the SAdhana, recognize His presence in you as well His presence in others - ultimately He alone is. The above sloka is chanted before taking food along with Brahmaarpanam sloka. If one mentally feels his presence in and though our day to day transactions, the more our actions become noble since we cannot deliberately do any thing improper once we recognize His presence in us and outside us. This is most difficult SAdhana but one can do by adhyAsa or constant practice. Then the study of the scriptures also becomes only a means of knowing Him more and more. Hope this helps Hari OM! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 sadaji: what a brilliant heartwarming response ! lovely! ( as a part of the SAdhana, recognize His presence in you as well His > presence in others - ultimately He alone is. The above sloka is chanted before taking food along with Brahmaarpanam sloka. If one mentally feels his presence in and though our day to day transactions, the more ur actions become noble since we cannot deliberately do any thing > improper once we recognize His presence in us and outside us. > > This is most difficult SAdhana but one can do by adhyAsa or constant > practice. > > Then the study of the scriptures also becomes only a means of knowing > Him more and more.) wow! are we seeing the 'visishta advaitin' side in this message of yours? now, i take the liberty of quoting this verse for you to elaborate on ! smile! prapancikataya buddhya hari-sambandhi-vastunah mumuksubhih parityago vairagyam phalgu kathyate yes! everything is lord HARI'S. BOTH MATERIAL AND SPIRITUAL ENERGIES ! With warmest regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: > > > > As a part of the SAdhana, recognize His presence in you as well His > presence in others - ultimately He alone is. The above sloka is chanted > before taking food along with Brahmaarpanam sloka. If one mentally > feels his presence in and though our day to day transactions, the more > our actions become noble since we cannot deliberately do any thing > improper once we recognize His presence in us and outside us. > Namaste, Sadaji, There is probably even a lower (more elementary) step. To recognize the same spiritual presence in us as well as in the other person, one has even to start from a more fundamental effort. That is NOT TO LOOK INTO THE NEGATIVES of the other person. We find it very difficult to recognize our own negatives. So I think an early step in sAdhanA should be to start ignoring the negatives in the other person, just as we invariably underestimate the negatives in ourselves. This, I think, is the first most practical implementation of the advaita attitude. PraNAms to all advaitins profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Namaste Prof Vkji, "NOT TO LOOK INTO THE NEGATIVES OF THE OTHER PERSON" Profji this is easily stated and spoken than lived. I notice that the critic in me comes to the forefront most of the time and very rarely the appreciative attitude. This not only in vyavahAra but also as a monologue and the running commentary that keeps happening in the mind anyway. I remember Swamijis classes on viparitabhavana, only after the critical vritti has occured first. Later hit my forehead and catch myself and correct myself. Changing ones attitude takes a lot of courage in oneself and being able to say to one self that my thinking is wrong. This has to be practised as an intense sAdhana. Pujya Swamiji Dayanandji used to say - meet the person, with whom you have a problem in relatioship, every day for 48 days and offer something to him /her. May be even just a flower. The anger, animosity and hatred will disappear. I tried this as an experiment. It worked wonders with the person with whom I had a problem for 10 years. Being a good, nice nice person, to whom ever we are meeting with in life is next to impossible. Somewhere something misfires. Somewhere something patches up. These have their own understandable logic. Swamiji also used to say never be judgemental. Never invoke the defensive person in the other person. These teachings strike only as an after math and not while transacting and the damage is already done. Relating to people is also vyavahara. Every one has taken a janma to exhaust their papa and punya. Among the billions of people in the world, like noodles we stick to each other with a few people, with whom our completion of karma, in this janma has to take place. This lesson taught by Vedanta we often forget. They lie in the books in the printed form and does the job of reminder service, when we take up the book to study or quote. The Acharyas teaching being produced by akasha goes back to AkAsha. yato vAco nivartanta aprApya manasA saha. Brahmanandavalli tait. upa. This is my experience and understanding and the lessons learnt, again I may be wrong. But this sadhana has decreased the intensity and frequency of harsh encounters, that leave a bad residue in the memory. There is one more difficult sAdhana - to see the person and the situation as they are in the present moment. Because the approach is always biased, with the feedback given by the memory. May be this is where the vAsana kshya has to take place and replaced by Brahma nishta. Its is toooooooooo far to reach. Nevertheless, hopes not lost, with the study of Vedanta. om namo narayanaya Lakshmi Muthuswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 >"V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk > > > >Namaste, Sadaji, > >There is probably even a lower (more elementary) step. To recognize >the same spiritual presence in us as well as in the other person, >one has even to start from a more fundamental effort. That is NOT >TO LOOK INTO THE NEGATIVES of the other person. We find it very >difficult to recognize our own negatives. So I think an early step >in sAdhanA should be to start ignoring the negatives in the other >person, just as we invariably underestimate the negatives in >ourselves. This, I think, is the first most practical implementation >of the advaita attitude. > > >PraNAms to all advaitins >profvk Prof VK - PraNAms. Yes you are right. The first thing I suggested was to project the Lord in others, before I start recognizing the Lord in me too. Ignoring the negatives of others would come when I start seeing the positive things of others. If I project the Lord in others I am seeing inner beauty of others below the apparent negatives. The negatives automatically drop since my concentration is not in negating but in visualizing the God who stand for only auspicious qualities. In Upanishad - it says - bhadram karNebhi shruNuyAma devAH .... Let me see the auspicious things. I remember the three monkeys - let me not see the bad things, let me not hear bad things and let me not speak bad things. One fellow asked 'how do I know I am seeing the bad things before I say let me not see them'. Also psychologically if mind is told not to do there is a struggle not to do. But if it is turn around and say - bhadram karNebhih shruNuyAam - let me hear only auspicious things - looking from the positive side then the negatives automatically drops out. If I start looking at the Lord in everything or in every person I encounter, then my vision is automatically in the positives than negatives. But from the point of oneself, my suggestion is to start listing where our attachments are. This is not looking of the negatives of others but our own. Then substitute the Lord in the place. Your suggestion is of course well taken. The goal is clear and let us work towards the goal. By the by any progress on the write up? I still need to find a publisher, otherwise I have to publish myself. Are you coming to Washington side? Hari Om! Sadananda _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Namaste, Respected Members, Thank you Sri Sadaji and Sri Sunderji for your very sacred suggestions. I learn quite a lot from this group. I Pray for the Lord's grace so that I can assimilate them. Hari Om kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada > wrote: --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote: > Is there any particular Sadhana to get myself freed from this > attachment? > Hari Om and warm regards, > Mani Maniji - PraNAms. The second aspect of the SAdhana is SUBSTITUTION wherever you have attachment substitute it with the image of the Lord. The Body, mind and intellect are nothing but instruments of the Lord. aham vaisvAnaro bUtvA prANinAm dehamAsritaH prANApAna smAyuktaH pacAmyannam caturvidham|| I as vaiswaanara stay inside all beings and I am the one who is responsible for all the physiological functions - prANa, apAna, vyAna, udAna and samAna and is responsible for the digestion of the four types of food one takes. Food in principle includes not only from the mouth whatever that is taken in from each of the five senses. As a part of the SAdhana, recognize His presence in you as well His presence in others - ultimately He alone is. The above sloka is chanted before taking food along with Brahmaarpanam sloka. If one mentally feels his presence in and though our day to day transactions, the more our actions become noble since we cannot deliberately do any thing improper once we recognize His presence in us and outside us. This is most difficult SAdhana but one can do by adhyAsa or constant practice. Then the study of the scriptures also becomes only a means of knowing Him more and more. Hope this helps Hari OM! Sadananda R. S. Mani Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 --- dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati > wrote: Dhyanasaraswatiji - PraNAms. You missed the talk on the Vedanta Deshika's teaching on Prapatti when I was coving Arjuna sharaNAgati. I also mentioned there is nothing other than the Lord - from vishiShTa adviata that is true only from the point of antaryamin. Yes - yo mam pasyati sarvatra sarvanca mayi pasyati| tasyAham na praNasyAmi sa ca menapraNasyati|| Hari OM! Sadananda > now, i take the liberty of quoting this verse for you to elaborate > on ! smile! > > > prapancikataya buddhya > hari-sambandhi-vastunah > mumuksubhih parityago > vairagyam phalgu kathyate > > yes! everything is lord HARI'S. BOTH MATERIAL AND SPIRITUAL > ENERGIES ! > > > With warmest regards > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 > Pujya Swamiji Dayanandji used to say - meet the person, with whom you have a problem in relatioship, every day for 48 days and offer something to him /her. May be even just a flower. The anger, animosity and hatred will disappear. I tried this as an experiment. It worked wonders with the person with whom I had a problem for 10 years. > Namaste, Is there any prescription for indifference ? Sometimes I feel that I have neither love nor animosity/hatred towards a person. Is it called coldness or detachment or indifference ? I don't know - the line seems to get blurred. Anybody has insights ? regards, Om Namah Sivaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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