Ramana animals and moksha etc

July 22, 2006

> > Namaste,

> >

> > First of all I got my info on depopulation from scientists and

> > particularly lovelock.

> >

> > http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?

> > articleid=8329

> >

> > Most say there is a ten year opportunity, Lovelock seem to

> discount

> > that. This has spiritual ramifications, for there will be less

> > bodies for the opportunity to attain moksha.

> >

> > Secondly with regard to will animals vasanas etc.

> >

> > There is no difference between a human animal and an animal

except

> > in the development of the vijnamayakosa to certain degrees. Many

> > humans have IQs of less than 100, and worse. Many animals get

> close

> > to 80 or even more IQ.

> >

> > Animals due to a lack of a fully developed ego have more

> compassion

> > and Sakti than humans do, in many circumstances. An animal whose

> > love is developed enough to become Love has achieved what a

human

> > genius has missed in his intellectual merry go round of mind.

> >

> > Let us not assume that a human mind is required to achieve

> moksha.

> > There are only two requisites for moksha...1. Realise we never

> were

> > un-liberated....Who am I?...and 2. Become Love for love is 'God'

> > and 'God' is love.....an animal can do this.....Who am I?. or as

> > Nisargadatta says we are all essentially

Praneaswara.....ONS..Tony.

> >

> sorry about the long url here is tiny.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/pmvbr

>

Animals and Moksha, by Sri Ramakrishna

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>Fwd: [sri Ramakrishna] Animals and Moksha.

>Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:49:21 +0100 (BST)

Dear Friends,

This subject reminds me of a cow, Lakshmi, in Sri Ramana Maharshi's

Ashram. The saint was particularly fond of the cow and when the

animal was in its death throes, he held its head on his lap and

guided the soul to liberation. This was in the presence of many

devotees.

In Hinduism we find all Gods having an animal escort. Interestingly

near Siva temples we find the presence of bulls and snakes, in

tantric pithas we have dogs and near Ram temples we inevitably have

monkeys.

We know from the Jataka tales that Lord Buddha had to pass through

many animal lives as well.

In Orissa we have many substantiated tales of animal devotees. In

front of the Jagannath temple at Puri, there used to reside a

majestic bull which took no food except the Mahaprasad of Lord

Jagannath. Devotees who knew the peculiarities of that bull

(including myself) used to offer it pranam after coming out of the

temple which the bull used to graciously accept with a nod of the

head. When this bull died the people of Puri gave it a human funeral

and all rites fit for a sincere devotee were performed.

There is a tantric temple within the Jagannath temple premises. As

non vegetarian prasad is not allowed within the temple, the prasad

ceremony here is performed outside one of the gates of the temple.

Just as the ceremony ends a single dog appears and partakes of the

prasad. No other dog dares disturb this particular dog. This routine

has continued since centuries without a break.

Near Bhubaneswar a monkey used to regularly visit a hanuman temple.

It used to take bath in a nearby tank and sit with folded hands

before the deity. Whatever prasad the devotees gave it used to

accumulate in a corner and used to feed on it only after the deity

was offered its prasad. Needless to say this monkey too got a

funeral befitting a human devotee.

There is a vaishnav math, Radha Govinda Math, near Cuttack in

Orissa. A dog used to reside in the temple premises and used to also

attend the evening religious discourses. The founder of the math

used to make sure that the dog never missed a discourse, claiming

that the dog was a devotee and was going through an animal life.

When the dog died its funeral rites were performed and brahmins were

invited to the feast. The brahmins felt insulted and refused.

However the math went ahead with the feast which was attended by

thousands of dogs who seemed to appear out of nowhere, partook of

the feast in a very disciplined manner and vanished after the feast.

There is a devotee of this math, whom the math believes to be the

reincarnation of the founder vaishnav. His name is Lokenath Baba and

he still lives. He plays the flute very beautifully and dogs and

cows gather around to listen to the flute. I did not believe this

till I saw it with my own eyes. It is from this Baba that I learnt

about

many secret rites performed in the Jagannath temple.

In South India we have the Pak****eertha where two pigeons appear

every evening to partake of the prasad. They seem to come from a

very long distance. In North India we have a temple dedicated to

rats. Inspite of the teeming rat population in the temple and the

town, there has never been a single case of rat plague anywhere even

near the town.

One also wonders what happened to Kalia, the favourite dog of

Mahapurush Maharaj; the favourite cow of Raja Maharaj at Belur Math

and also the many animal devotees that Swamiji had acquired during

his last days. One also wonders what happened to the cat that Sri

Ramakrishna fed while performing Puja at the Kali Temple of

Dakshineswar.

India abounds in such things and sometimes we feel that there is no

distinct line between the human and animal devotees of the Lord.

Regards,

July 28, 2006

Cucumber News:

( what it is called here in the summer season, sometimes used to hide

unpleasent information : )

Yes IQ has something to do with this and certainly the sum of it, but I am

surprised that some comments I have seen elsewhere do not consider this.

The cat is out of the bag with the next generation being born, so how can it

not get very bad before it changes for the better.

The huge population is a result of nature allowing certain discoveries to be

made.

The very same nature will in time allow the problems we call our own to be

solved

A small or large population being an instrument of action.

I do not doubt a few persons already hold parts of the keys to what is

needed in the area of energy and wealth. The reason it is not revealed is

certainly not due to conspiracy.

My uncle who did research in the area of micro biology used to say that

there would be space for everybody who wanted to live in the shadow of his

own water tank. (Growing plants and micro organisms)

The web plays a part in this too, as the information (used for decisions by

politicians) is getting more shallow every year. This energy rich country is

not aware of the situation at all.

I talked to members of the parliament last year, my office is just across

the street and they did lack even basic knowledge.

Personally I am trying to get one or two journalists to write correct

information about wind turbines this fall.

And my father who has worked for fifty years in the area of combustion is at

the moment writing an article about the need for governments to pay the land

owners for not cutting down forests.

There is a CO2 tax but nothing is paid back for the opposite.

(The reduction of this new tax is done by reducing the release of CO2 in

power plants)

How many question this in a moment when every tree is needed.

He got quite surprised calculating the effect of forests even in this small

country.

And the forests are coming back at the moment. Partly due to a small climate

change,

but mostly due to the cheaper meat and timber from other countries.

At the moment the 'green people' want to use this for bio energy.

What madness.

It is not clean energy and it will release exactly the same amount of CO2

again and the effect is gone.

And the politicians did put bio energy and wind turbines on the agenda as a

solution years ago, so the wheels keeps rolling.

But even the technical magazines do not want to write too much about this,

half a page at the most

(And a major newspaper may pick up the ingress )

so it will soon be forgotten.

But I notice more and more people dislike the idea of growing corn for meat..

Alan

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