Free will to discuss about free wil.

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Tonyji and Felipeji - PraNAms to both of you.

 

We had extensive discussion in this list on this topic of Free will. I

do not like to raise that topic again. Shree Dennis Waite has discussed

some of these aspects in his forthcoming book.

 

Yours and Tony need to examined from what reference the topic has been

addressed. Most of the confusion arises if we switch our reference

states.

 

>From PAramArthika satyam - the very discussion of free will from

individual point is meaningless - when it is one without a second there

is no question of will.

 

>From the vyAvahArika point - the discussion diverges from two references

from jiiva's point or from Iswara's point.

 

Jiiva thinks He has a free will - that is where SAdhana comes into

picture. His thinking becomes as real as his thinking that he is

separate from the totality. Hence SAdhana which rests on 'free will'

involves the surrenderence of that free will at the feet of the Lord, as

part of the SAdhana for his growth. Hence he has free will that need to

be surrendered to Iswara as 'thy will be done not mine not mine', until

he is established in understanding clearly that he has no free will even

to surrender.

 

In fact that surrenderance occurance only once; and it is complete only

when He has nothing to surrender or when reconizes that even the will to

surrender is only illusion. But his illusion is recognized as illusion

only - when one's surrenderence is complete. Until then the talk of

illusion and the statement that 'free will is an illusion' are only

equally illusory.

 

Hence I stated that 'one has free will until one is free from will'.

 

Only when one transcends to the pAramArthika satyam, the free will that

he thought that he had is now recognized that it was justly as illusory

as his notion that he was jiiva different from Iswara and the rest of

the world.

 

Otherwise SAdhana becomes meaningless. It is meaningless only when one

has reached the destination.

 

That is the reason why one has to be careful from what reference the

discussion is being done.

 

I said I would not like to discuss it but ended up discussing it. Is it

by free will or not you can decide for yourself? I remain,

 

Hari OM!

 

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

--- Felipe Crema <fcrema .br> wrote:

 

 

> I close my point with a question. Given the nature of our likes

> and dislikes, wouldn't the assertion of free will configure one of the

> most powerful forms of preventing realisation from taking place?