Realisation??? - on sannyasa

July 27, 2006

Lakshmi-ji, Thanks for sharing your views on sanyasa. Sanyasa does

require a very high degree of detachment. It is difficult to plunge

in a lifestyle in which there is no roof, no water, no food, no

money, no comfort, no bathroom, no soap, nothing. I am very curious

to read about Swami Dayanandaji's sanyasa -how, when and where did

be take sanyasa. Is there any book or description of that ? A

sanyasi is not supposed to earn a living so I am guessing that all

the ashrams in Rishikesh etc have been built using donations. I

don't know if they actually go out for bhiksha everyday or food is

cooked in the ashram using donation money. Please take a look at

Swamiji's kutia (don't know when this picture was taken)

http://www.arshavidhyapitam.org/images/pujya6.jpg

Imagine spending winter in that kutia in rishikesh and that too on

the banks of ganga.

My commonsense opinion is only a sanyasi can focus totally on the

pursuit of knowledge. He has no distractions, no concerns about

tomorrow and almost no attachments. This gives a sanyasi a more

peaceful - free from agitation. A householder, consciously or

unconsiously has thoughts about his job, bank balance, parents,

children, social interactions and social commitments.

regards,

Om Namah Sivaya

July 28, 2006

Dearest Sri Lakshmi-ji :

With each post , you are coming into your own ! wow! you remind me

of beaqutiful flower wqhich unfolds each one of its petals after

seeing the golden rays of the MORNING SUN! the credit this time goes

to our Sadaji who brought out the 'best in you

Lakshmiji, you mentioned about Sage Yagnavalkya's to wives Maitreyi

and Katyayani !While the credit goes to his wife Katayayani for that

famous passage in Brihadaranyaka uppanishad ...

"Verily, not for the sake of the husband, my dear, is the husband

loved, but he is loved for the sake of the Self [which, in its true

nature, is one with the Supreme Self. .

"Verily, not for the sake of the wife, my dear, is the wife loved,

but she is loved for the sake of the Self.

"Verily, not for the sake of the sons, my dear, are the sons loved,

but they are loved for the sake of the Self.......... etc etc

etc.... "

However, we also need to mention the exceptional contribution of

another great woman saint Gargi in this context.

Recall these famous words of Gargi !

"As a warrior from Kashi or Videha rises with a bow and arrow to

fell the opponent, I rise to fell you with two questions."

For her first question, Gargi asks , "that which is above heaven and

below the earth, which is also between heaven and earth, which is

the same through past, present and future, in what is that woven,

warp and woof?" Yajnavalkya answers easily, "in space."13 For her

second question, Gargi asks, "in what is space itself woven, warp

and woof?" Yajnavalkya's answer: "the imperishable" ! GARGI never

gave up her relentless questioning even though at one point Sage

Yagnavalkya told her ", Yagnavalkya said: 'O Gargi, Do not ask too

much, lest thy head should fall off. Thou askest too much about a

deity about which we are not to ask too much. Do not ask too much, O

Gargi.'" But did Gargi give up ? no ! It is because of Gargi, Sage

yagnavalkya revealed this most quoted statement on BRAHMAN

"'That Brahman,' O Gargi, 'is unseen, but seeing; unheard, but

hearing; unperceived, but perceiving; unknown, but knowing. There is

nothing that sees but it, nothing that hears but it, nothing that

perceives but it, nothing that knows but it. In that Akshara then, O

Gargi, the ether is woven, like warp and woof.' "

On another note, lakshmiji, your personal account of your father's

taking sanyasa touched my heart. Many of the questions you have

asked had plagued me too ! in fact, once i had been to Kanchi ?(

several years back) and wanted to meet the Mahaperiyavval FACE TO

FACE BUT WAS UNFORTUNATE as the mahaperiyavaal would not meet widows

at that time ! i was so disaapointed but i later realized that even

if i did not meet him in person, i always benefitted from reading

his weekly column that appeared in the tamizh magazine 'kalki' !

you raised an interesting question about women taking up 'sanyasa' -

once , i posed this question to my tantrik Gurudeva ! He totally

knocked down the idea of me taking up Sanyasa ! He tole me 'mother !

your job is take care of your family . But within that framework,

cultivate an attitude of detatchment and dispassion. ' How right he

was ! now i am 63 , my responsibilities are not over as yet ... !

you raised an interesting point about ochre robes !

Sloka 14 of Baja govindam stotra

disciple

adds this verse

JATILO MUNDI LUNCHITAKESHAH

KAASHAAYAAMBARA BAHUKRITAVESHAH

PASYANNAPI CHA NA PASYATI MOODHO

HIUDARANIMITAM BAHUKRITAVESHAH

(BHAJA GOVINDAM, BHAJA GOVINDAM........)

The ascetic with matted locks, the man with the shaven head or

one with hair pulled out, or the man parading in the ochre robes

-- they all have eyes but yet do not see. All these are but

deceptions for cheating the world, for filling their bellies. (

Renunciation does not lie in external appearance, but in inward

thought, attitude and feeling).

Yes ! True renunciation is not just changing one's external

appearance ! AS SRI RAMANA BHAGWAN SAYS : 'giving up the non-

self is true renunciation' " ! iS THAT NOT THE HARDEST THING TO DO !

SMILE!

here , i recall this verse from Bhatruhari's vairagya shatakam

bhixaashana.n tadapi niirasamekavaara.n

shayyaa cha bhuuH parijano nijadehamaatram.h .

vastra.n vishiirNa shatakhaNDamayii cha kanthaa

haa haa tathaapi vishhayaa na parityajanti .. 15..

For eating I have tasteless food once a day, after begging of alms;

the earth for a bed, and my own body as a servant; for dress, a

blanket made from hundreds of rags; and yet alas! sensual desires

do not leave me!

Yes! does THIS not convey a powerful message ?

HARI AUM TAT SAT !

..

July 28, 2006

Namaste Sadaji,

Sadaji wrote:

"Just a question for you which Basker raised, is sanyAsa necessary or you think it is helpful" .

Sadaji, your are putting me into trouble. Even if You were to ask this question to any of the Sannyasis, they will not give a direct reply to this, as a solution.

Is this question about, ' is taking to the ochre robe helpful or not' or is it about adopting and adapting a lifestyle of sannyasa in the same position, wherever I am in life?

All the Swamis, whomever, I have come into contact with, have said, ' No need to take sannyasa! You look happy and be happy as you are.'

Taking to sannyasa is like jumping into the fire. Just by going through the ritualistic process of sannyasa, does not mean that the person has changed over night. It does not gaurantee moxa, nor realisation has dawns upon him instantly. His body is the same, has only changed/standardised the colour of his robes. His vasanas are the same. His mind is still the same, his gunas are still the same. His buddhi is still the same, his emotions are still the same. Now his ragas/dveshas are on different issues. He has to process all of them by living this vulnerable lifestyle.

When one goes on a transfer from place to place, there are numerous problems and issues one has to face with, as a result of the change. Physical, emotional, psycholigical, cultural and so on and so forth.

Then when one talkes to sannyasa!!! a newlifestyle change - away from the normal main stream of society? needs guts, needs courage to be able to face oneself. Vulnerability is the key-word. If one is ready to accept all these changes, is ready to handle all these issues, one has inner strength, one is ready to go through the grind- yes sannyasa is a wonderful lifestyle, very beautiful. One can be with oneself and iSvara alone. Nothing to bother and nothing bothers him. As long as one is not intersted in making a big Ashram, fame, retinue of chelas, big monies, proijects etc. Wonderful.

Still it is even more wonderful if, inspite of making all these, he is still an integrated person, untouched by the jagat, lives an objective life, drawing boundaries.

The individual has to decide, even the guru cannot impose.

I am writing about my fathers life here as an example to this. He was given the ochre robe which was worn By HH Shri Abhinava VidyAtIrth Swamiji in 1965. He was aksed to join the mutt and take to sannyasa, after all his duties were completed in life. Till then he was supposed to wear and perform puja. He brought this home and my mother was shocked and she fainted. I did not know what was happening.

As long as my mother was alive till 1979, he did perform puja wearing this ochre dothi. But when my mother died, he gave it all up going back to his rustic life. He did nothing. Even this puja nad rituals was brought in his life because of my mother. But he was a very clean minded, clear person and would never use a harsh word and hurt anyone. He lived alone in a flat. He did not want any of us to come and stay with him and disturb his routine. No TV, no fridge, only a agas stove for making coffee. He cooked for himself till the last day. There is not a single contoversial word about him amongst the family members even today. He was living a true sannyasa lifestyle.

He had nothing to say, nothing to share, no advice for any of us.

The only attachment he had was to my sister's children. Even this he said, he is voluntarily holding on to this attachment to maintain his sanity.

Then we children brought up the issue of joining the mutt. He was very clear in his answer, "If I take to sannyasa I cannot drink coffee, cannot chew tobacco. There are rules and regulations I have to adhere to. I have sannyasa in my mind. I am already a free person and a happy person. Why should I loose that sense of freedom and happiness that I already have now, by confirming to new rules and regulations? These are going to creat pressure in me. I dont want it".

We could do nothing. We couldnot force him. No amount of talking, nor highlighting the importance and value of gurus words would convince him. In fact he did not study any Vedanta. But he was very clear about himself. That he was complete person as he is. When he died, his kapala had opened up. He died due to this. But he used to say, wait and see how I die. What more can I say?

Taking to sannyAsa lifestyle is ones own Atma iccha. Atmanastu kAmaya sannyAsam priyam bhavati.

Running away from samsara due of virakti, because of being bogged down by samsari problems is not an answer or is neither helpful. If one has completed all that one has to - kR^itakR^tyah- has lead a complete life and is aspiring to devote the balance years of one's life to be in the niShTa of Isvara, allowing the prarbdha to unfold, giving no place for freewill -sankalpas or for any list of agendas in life to tick, then, yes, it is helpful.

kR^itakR^ityah asmi!! Who can say this? I cannot say this for another person. I can only say for myself. Only I know where I am in life and what I want.

Or if one has devoted his life, to the study of Shastras, right from childhood, has no inclination to material life, and he has an inclination to teach Shastras, then its helpful too.

Helpful or not helpful depends on ones own puruShArtha nischaya.

om namo narayanaya

Lakshmi Muthuswamy

July 28, 2006

--- dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati > wrote:

Dhyanasaraswatiji - PraNAms.

Forgive me if I put your sentences in correct perspective: Lakshmiji has

surrendered to Lord Narayana and it is because of His golden rays that

are beaming though and bringing out the best in Lakshmiji.

> With each post , you are coming into your own ! wow! you remind me

> of beaqutiful flower wqhich unfolds each one of its petals after

> seeing the golden rays of the MORNING SUN!

> Yagnavalkya said: 'O Gargi, Do not ask too

> much, lest thy head should fall off.

Here the head stands for intellect. Yagnavalkya is cautioning Gargi do

not pursue to seek answers at intellectual level. The truth is beyond

intellectual conceptualization. The head has to fall down before truth

can be seen. Further truth can be seen only when the head falls or the

intellect is surrendered.

Hari OM!

Sadananda

July 28, 2006

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sadaji writes :

( Forgive me if I put your sentences in correct perspective:

Lakshmiji has > surrendered to Lord Narayana and it is because of

His golden rays that > are beaming though and bringing out the best

in Lakshmiji. )

True ! True ! But , Sadananda is ALSO ANOTHER NAME FOR LORD vishnu !

sometimes god incarnates in human form to give support and

encouragement to his true devotees! As a moderator, you are doing a

wonderfu;l job of providing that valuable support - for example ,

you asked her to post the verses on 'vedanta dindima' also! is it

not ? SHE IMMEDIATELY ROSE TO THE OCCASSION!

Sadaji, A STOTRA IN BAJA GOVINDAM GOES THUS

TWAYI MAYI CHAANYATRAIKO VISHNUH

VYARTHAM KUPYASI MAYYASAHISHNUH

BHAVA SAMACHITTAH SARVATRA TWAM

VANCHHASYASHIRAADYADI VISHNUTWAM

(BHAJA GOVINDAM, BHAJA GOVINDAM........)(VERSE 24)

In you, in me and everywhere, there is but the one Vishnu, Mistakenly

viewing me with a sense of difference, you are ill-disposed towards

me.

Try to see in all beings only the Vishnu who is your own self. Give

up

your false and egoistic sense of separateness from other beings.

Cultivate a sense of kinship, unity and oneness with all.

(WOW! the precious vedantic Truth seeing the self as

Vishnu! )

Why Vishnu? The meaning of Vishnu is the one who pervades

Everything mobile and immobile (including time and space),

consequently He stands for the Lord's aspect that sustains

everything !

YES ! sadaji, you are verily the 'Narayana' also ! A BIG SMILE!

HOWEVER, I LOVE YOUR TAKE ON SHARANGATI' TATTWA ! WITHOUT iSHWARA

AND GURU KRIPA, ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL LIFE IS NOT POSSIBLE .

SATGURU, SATNAAM AND SATSANGATI ARE THREE CORNERSTONES OF ANY

!

Thanks SADAJI FOR CLARIFYING Gargi's statement !

Yes ! Brahman cannot be realized through mere intellectal

understanding . ( na medhaya) it is for this reason i quoted that

passage as you also said something about 'academics' in your post .

(SADAJI WRITES : Here the head stands for intellect. Yagnavalkya is

cautioning Gargi do > not pursue to seek answers at intellectual

level. The truth is beyond > intellectual conceptualization. The

head has to fall down before truth > can be seen. Further truth can

be seen only when the head falls or the > intellect is surrendered.)

may i share this verse from Adi shankara bhagvadapada FROM SHIVA

MANASA PUJA

aatmaa tvaM girijaa matiH sahacharaaH praaNaaH shariiraM gR^ihaM

puujaa te vishhayopabhogarachanaa nidraa samaadhisthitiH .

saJN{}chaaraH padayoH pradakshiNavidhiH stotraaNi sarvaa giro

yadyatkarma karomi tattadakhilaM shambho tavaaraadhanam.h .. .

ONE TRANSLATION

My soul is your temple my lord,

My activities are thine attendants,

My body is thine home,

My acts to please my senses are thine worship,

My act of sleep is the deep meditation on thee,

All my walks with my feet are thine perambulations,

What ever falls from my mouth are thine prayers,

Oh Lord, everything I say and do are thine forms of worship.

ANOTHER TRANSLATION

You are my self; Paarvatii is my reason. My five praanaas are your

attendants, my body is your house, and all the pleasures of my

senses are objects to use for your worship. My sleep is your state

of samaadhii. Wherever I walk I am walking around you, everything I

say is in praise of you, everything I do is in devotion to you, o

benevolent lord!

sOWMYAJI, you can add your own translation if you do not afree with

these ! Smile, dear one!

Sadaji, i am sorry i missed your 'discourses' due to my trip to

Florida ! however, i enjoy hanging out with you in this group - that

is also a form of satsanati! thank you!

AUM NAMO SHANKARA Narayana !

July 28, 2006

--- Lakshmi Muthuswamy <lakmuthu > wrote:

Or if one has devoted his life, to the study of Shastras, right from

> childhood, has no inclination to material life, and he has an

> inclination to teach Shastras, then its helpful too.

>

> Helpful or not helpful depends on ones own puruShArtha nischaya.

Lakshmiji PraNAms.

Thanks for sharing information about your father. He was a great

sanyaasin. My sashTanga PraNAms to Him.

Yes what is needed is mental sanyaasa. I agree that it is not the orange

robes but the environment that goes with it if one takes advantage of

that - He will be blessed. My wife has heard my lectures on the

requirement of mental sanyaasa and she repeats those to me when I raise

this issue!

In Chinmaya Mission they give sanyaasa to Women and they are many

swaminis. The sanyAsa ashram does provide an environment free from

others unnecessary botherations and provides an opportunity to devote

full time on the adhyaatmika chinta.

I myself am now in a position, completed all my perceived

responsibilities as husband (even if my wife does not agree), as father

(my daughter thinks I have to live close to her as my fatherly

obligation!), as an employee (my x-employer keeping me engaged as

consultant for their work when I am here). From my point all my

obligations are over. I would like to spend all my time in the

Adhyaatmic study and vicaara only. My wife goes to emotional upheaval

when I raise the issue of my taking sanyaasa. She is a very great soul

and helped me a lot in my evolution by putting some emotions into a dry

intellect. I am blessed to have her as my wife. She is great dancer and

dance teacher too.

I am beginning to realize it is not she that is obstructing - it is my

own attachments that are being perceived as her and my daughter's

objections . I see the Lord is testing me in their forms. Mysterious

are His plays. I am just surrendering to Him to do what He wants.

I am beginning to recognize the beauty of Shree Kulashekara Alwar's

statement:

Yadyat bhavyam bhagatu bhagavan pUrva karmAnurUpam'

Your story reminds me of Krishna's answer to Arjuna's question in the

6th Chapter. You are indeed blessed to be borne to that Holy person and

being led to path of Shreyas.

My saaShTanga Namskaras.

Hari OM!

Sadananda

July 29, 2006

In response to Sadaji’s post on “Surrender the Intellect”.

Surrender the body – mind –sense complex, surrender the emotions, surrender the will, surrender the breathing, surrender the thoughts, surrender the memory, surrender the learning, surrender that by which you surrender, so on and so forth, the list is endless.

What is not an offering to the Lord? What is it that I can say it’s mine, it belongs to me, and I offer? Everything belongs to the Lord.

I thought will select a few paragraphs for sharing the teaching, from Swami Dayanandji’s Gita home study, Chapter 3.9

<Quote

Verse 9 to 16 Lord Krishna talks about karma as a means leading to moxa.

Yj~nArthAtkarmaNo.anyatra loko.ayam karmabandhanah.

TadarthaM karma kaunteya mukttasa~NgaH samAcara..

This person who is enjoined (to do action) is bound by karma other than that performed for the sake of yaj~na.(other than the action performed as an offering to Ishvara. For this reason, oh! Kaunteya being one free from attachment, perform action for the sake of that (yaj~na)

yaj~na is a very important word in vedic literature. Even though the word means a sacrificial ritual, in a wider sense yaj~na means every action of one’s life is performed as an offering to Ishvara. In an act of giving, there is a giver, something given, and a recipient. In an offering such as a ritual, one more factor is involved – the place of offering, the altar. Thus there is the altar of offering, the recipient who is invoked in the offering, the one who does the offering, and the offering itself.

Generally, in any offering, there is a word like ‘svAha’ or ‘namah’, meaning ‘I offer this salutation.’ For example, when we say, ‘namah shivAya’, it means, ‘ unto Lord Shiva, I offer my salutations’ and this is an offering. When this expression is repeated over and over again, it becomes japa-yaj~na,. Even the food you eat is an offering, although most people do not think of it as such. If, however, look upon the digestive system as digestive fire, the food offered into that is an offering and the altar of this offering is the digestive process, prana, itself. Therefore, before eating, the food is offered to the Lord in the form of prana.

Nothing in the creation is looked upon as something different from the Lord. The Lord is a conscious being, cetana. Only in a conscious being the activity of digestion takes place and the food offered is not separate from the Lord. This is why the shloka from the fifteenth chapter of the Gita ‘ brahmArpNam…. is repeated before eating. These verses make it very clear that everything is the Lord, including the food we eat and the one who eats it. Therefore eating is an offering.

All offerings belong to the Lord alone.

The breathing process is a yaj~na. Those who are committed to practising prANnAyama, control of breath, are not merely doing exercises. They are performing a yaj~na, prana being Ishvara..

In the same way all exercises yogic postures, AsanAs are considered toi be yaj~na. In fact each Asana has its own devata. Indian music, is also a yaj~na. Every defined melody, raga, is considered to have ahead, trunk and feet, Certain Indian paintings depict each raga with the form of a Goddess.

Bringing up a child is also a yaj~na, and is an example of an indirect offering to Ishvara. The child has been given to me as a prasAda and is to be brought up by me. This is a proper attitude and is therefore karma yoga.

Any one aspect in the creation can be looked upon an an aspect of Ishvara, and that aspect becomes the presiding deity or devata. Thus in any given object, you can invoke the total or an aspect of the total. If it is an aspect, it is called devata. Any functionary such as eyes, ears nose and other organs has a presiding deity, devata, which is but Ishvara.

A yaj~na is any karma which is done for the sake of Ishvara. It can be a ritual, worship, prayer – each of which involves special karma performed for the sake of Ishvara only.

Unquote>

The devata for Intellect is caturmukha Bramhaji. I offer my salutations.

There is a story in the purana, an episode where Lord Shiva chopped off Bramhaji’s fifth head.

There is a story that tells us why Brahmaji is not being worshipped openly. There was a fight between the vAk and mind and they went for justice to Brahmaji. He favoured the mind, so Vak cursed him saying that, ‘no one will offer a salutation to you openly.’ So there are no popularised stotras for Bramhaji.

Sharing my learning in this group is an offering yaj~na, to my Acharayas and to Lord Narayana.

Om namo narayanaya

Lakshmi Muthuswamy

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July 31, 2006

I am beginning to realize it is not she that is obstructing - it is my

own attachments that are being perceived as her and my daughter's

objections . I see the Lord is testing me in their forms. Mysterious

are His plays. I am just surrendering to Him to do what He wants.

praNAms

Hare Krishna

What a profound & an objective self introspection prabhuji!! my humble

prostrations to you prabhuji....yes I completely agree with this

prabhuji...We always try to pass the buck on others citing some mundane

excuses for not taking the renunciation path... But, being a householder, I

do admit it is dharma drOha to shirk from our family responsibilities but

at the same time it is a matter of fact that in this world nobody is

indispensable to move the cycle of saMsAra...we often think we are the one

who are taking care of dependents..& without us *show* will not

run!!...but we should realize...*time goes* without any obstacles!!! Before

seeking the permission from our family members, first we should look within

ourselves whether we have the intensity of vairAgya & ready to renounce

everything at once for the sake of ultimate truth !!?? We have to put

ourselves a question whether we are matured enough to realize the temporary

nature of saMsAra & ask for the permission for taking saNyAsa from our

family members?? So, IMHO, seeking permission from our family members is

secondary & to the extent negligable too!!..first we should find out

whether that *fire* of vairAgya burning within us!! Ofcourse, siddhArtha

did not ask his wife & sons's permission before leaving palace & bhagavAn

ramaNa didnot ask anybody before making his journey to tiruvaNNAmalai...

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

July 31, 2006

Bhaskarji namaste,

"Siddharta did not ask his wife & sons's permission before leaving palace & bhagavAn ramaNa didnot ask anybody before making his journey to tiruvaNNAmalai..."

Yes Siddharta did not take permission from his family. He left silently in the midst of the night. It siuted him and he left.

Does history talk about his wife and his son Rahul? Does anyone have any care or concern and discuss their agonies, their laments and their frustrations? Siddharta was a family man. He had a certain responsibility as a father , as a husband and as a king of the land.

Is this not Krishna's teaching all about in the Gita. karma vs sannyasa?

Bhagavan Ramana ran away from home. he was a brahmacahri. His mother was the only person he had a responsibilty in life. when she came to him, Bhagavan Ramana has taken care of her, had even helped her to attain mukti. He built a samadhi for her too. he has had such reverence for her. He did not forsake his duty as a son though he was a j~nAni.

We know what happened to Bhagavan Ramana's mother. Does history tell us what happened to SiddhartAs wife and son? I have not come across. If any one has some info please tell me.

om namo narayanaya

lakshmi Muthuswamy

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July 31, 2006

Namaste,

Siddhartha subsequently initiated both his wife and son into Sannyasa.

In any case, we should NOT look at SIddharta as a normal person.

Imagine being locked up in the palace walls and not seeing anyone old,

dead or diseased for twenty-nine years. He didn't got through normal

living seeing death and aged people around him. So what he saw

eventually during his wandering came as a shock to him. The shock was

itself due to a mind that had not enough experience to relate what was

seen. To summarise, Siddhartha never lived a normal life like any one

of us. Therefore, he may not be a good example to understand Sannyasa

and vairagya in the Vedic perspective.

Om Shanti

Kathirasan

On 7/31/06, Lakshmi Muthuswamy <lakmuthu > wrote:

> Bhaskarji namaste,

>

> "Siddharta did not ask his wife & sons's permission before leaving palace & bhagavAn ramaNa didnot ask anybody before making his journey to tiruvaNNAmalai..."

>

> Yes Siddharta did not take permission from his family. He left silently in the midst of the night. It siuted him and he left.

>

> Does history talk about his wife and his son Rahul? Does anyone have any care or concern and discuss their agonies, their laments and their frustrations? Siddharta was a family man. He had a certain responsibility as a father , as a husband and as a king of the land.

>

> Is this not Krishna's teaching all about in the Gita. karma vs sannyasa?

>

> Bhagavan Ramana ran away from home. he was a brahmacahri. His mother was the only person he had a responsibilty in life. when she came to him, Bhagavan Ramana has taken care of her, had even helped her to attain mukti. He built a samadhi for her too. he has had such reverence for her. He did not forsake his duty as a son though he was a j~nAni.

>

> We know what happened to Bhagavan Ramana's mother. Does history tell us what happened to SiddhartAs wife and son? I have not come across. If any one has some info please tell me.

>

> om namo narayanaya

>

> lakshmi Muthuswamy

>

> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta.

>

July 31, 2006

K Kathirasan <brahmasatyam > wrote: Namaste,