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Drar Pt arjun,

good u brought some beter side of the Much hated Manu for no fault of his but the interpreters due to readign Max Muler's version of deliberate mischief, perversion and zeal topromote their values heter.

Sanskrit can be read in different contexts and esp in 3 gunas and can mena differently he delierately chose and sued the worst meanings of most fo thwe words.

Manu has may good things and a few that can be skipped or reviewd.

but has many good points

his classification of castes alone is seen in isolation and attacked he also gave responsiblites for each caste the way money, tax, interest rates, punishments r metted for each for the same crime is different.

we need some one to post good versions of it.

all religious /spiritual rules r laid in good faith the way it was implementd got curupted an ddegraded.

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear friends

akin to the ten commandments given by moses in the Bible, manusmriti

also has similar ten commandments of dharma which are not given due

weightage and are not followed in letter and spirit:

1. contentment

2. forgiveness

3. control over mind

4. not to steal

5. observance of physical cleanliness

6. acquisition of wisdom through intellect

7. withdrawal of sense organs from their respective pleasures

8. education leading to spiritual uplift

9. truthfulness

10. abstention from anger

manu suggests that the above ten commandments shall be observed

daily by all persons belonging to all four stages of life (ashramas)

even though some of the manusmriti preachings are not logical in the

current context, the above ten commandments are general in nature

and shall be emulated by one and all.

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

 

Prashantkumar G B

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off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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dear prashantji

 

well said. the western media and those who read some english

transcribed manusmritis have painted manusmriti as a draconian law.

today i was re-reading an old book titled "Vedic Socialism" by Nitya

Narayan Banerjee and was inspired to write this message. the real

english translation made by a saatvik person would give the true

meaning of the manusmriti which holds valid even today.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Drar Pt arjun,

> good u brought some beter side of the Much hated Manu for no

fault of his but the interpreters due to readign Max Muler's

version of deliberate mischief, perversion and zeal topromote their

values heter.

> Sanskrit can be read in different contexts and esp in 3 gunas

and can mena differently he delierately chose and sued the worst

meanings of most fo thwe words.

> Manu has may good things and a few that can be skipped or

reviewd.

> but has many good points

> his classification of castes alone is seen in isolation and

attacked he also gave responsiblites for each caste the way money,

tax, interest rates, punishments r metted for each for the same

crime is different.

> we need some one to post good versions of it.

>

> all religious /spiritual rules r laid in good faith the way it

was implementd got curupted an ddegraded.

>

>

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

wrote: dear friends

>

> akin to the ten commandments given by moses in the Bible,

manusmriti

> also has similar ten commandments of dharma which are not given

due

> weightage and are not followed in letter and spirit:

>

> 1. contentment

> 2. forgiveness

> 3. control over mind

> 4. not to steal

> 5. observance of physical cleanliness

> 6. acquisition of wisdom through intellect

> 7. withdrawal of sense organs from their respective pleasures

> 8. education leading to spiritual uplift

> 9. truthfulness

> 10. abstention from anger

>

> manu suggests that the above ten commandments shall be observed

> daily by all persons belonging to all four stages of life

(ashramas)

>

> even though some of the manusmriti preachings are not logical in

the

> current context, the above ten commandments are general in

nature

> and shall be emulated by one and all.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Prashantkumar G B

>

> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

group but

> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

> Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> 09840051861

>

>

>

>

>

> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

call rates.

>

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Dear all,

 

I too have kept the Manusmriti (Hindi translation)in my kitchen

alongwith otherbooks for interminent study while waiting for dinner,

and have referered to it many times .

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear prashantji

>

> well said. the western media and those who read some english

> transcribed manusmritis have painted manusmriti as a draconian law.

> today i was re-reading an old book titled "Vedic Socialism" by

Nitya

> Narayan Banerjee and was inspired to write this message. the real

> english translation made by a saatvik person would give the true

> meaning of the manusmriti which holds valid even today.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Drar Pt arjun,

> > good u brought some beter side of the Much hated Manu for no

> fault of his but the interpreters due to readign Max Muler's

> version of deliberate mischief, perversion and zeal topromote

their

> values heter.

> > Sanskrit can be read in different contexts and esp in 3 gunas

> and can mena differently he delierately chose and sued the worst

> meanings of most fo thwe words.

> > Manu has may good things and a few that can be skipped or

> reviewd.

> > but has many good points

> > his classification of castes alone is seen in isolation and

> attacked he also gave responsiblites for each caste the way money,

> tax, interest rates, punishments r metted for each for the same

> crime is different.

> > we need some one to post good versions of it.

> >

> > all religious /spiritual rules r laid in good faith the way it

> was implementd got curupted an ddegraded.

> >

> >

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> wrote: dear friends

> >

> > akin to the ten commandments given by moses in the Bible,

> manusmriti

> > also has similar ten commandments of dharma which are not given

> due

> > weightage and are not followed in letter and spirit:

> >

> > 1. contentment

> > 2. forgiveness

> > 3. control over mind

> > 4. not to steal

> > 5. observance of physical cleanliness

> > 6. acquisition of wisdom through intellect

> > 7. withdrawal of sense organs from their respective pleasures

> > 8. education leading to spiritual uplift

> > 9. truthfulness

> > 10. abstention from anger

> >

> > manu suggests that the above ten commandments shall be observed

> > daily by all persons belonging to all four stages of life

> (ashramas)

> >

> > even though some of the manusmriti preachings are not logical

in

> the

> > current context, the above ten commandments are general in

> nature

> > and shall be emulated by one and all.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Prashantkumar G B

> >

> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

 

> group but

> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

phone.

> > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> > 09840051861

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

> call rates.

> >

> >

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dear readers,

The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given

to understand it isnt so. this caste system was

divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and

sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2

centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the

true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras

are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels,

tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them

up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only

hampering the growth of the country also their hatred

towards other castes mentioned above.

 

I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should

be treated as equals.

 

May god bless us all,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sir,

 

Without prejudice

 

All are equal and all must be treated equal; and for the sake of past, quality must not be compromised in the name of castism (and reservation) - if one wants country to grow. Caste can not be excuse for quality.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

After every "victory" you have more enemies.

 

 

>

> kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:40:26 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: ten commandments of dharma 25/7

>

>

> dear readers,

> The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given

> to understand it isnt so. this caste system was

> divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and

> sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2

> centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the

> true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras

> are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels,

> tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them

> up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only

> hampering the growth of the country also their hatred

> towards other castes mentioned above.

>

> I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should

> be treated as equals.

>

> May god bless us all,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Gopuji,

 

Yes it has been misinterpreted, but knowingly by the thekedars of the

governing goverments ie, rulers off late., to mantain the

unequilibrium and dictum of divide and rule,

often portrayed in the forms of Upper caste having tortured the lower

caste (The vice versa is never shown by the media).,or temples not

allowing women, or foreigners,or lower castes (They will never shout

if Parsis do not allow others to enter their Fire temples),sections

have been created in the constitution deliberately to give advantages

to the minorities without outlaying the duty part, this creation of

section or allowing this created section to continue is also tatamount

by all the roof shouters of supporting the varna system but now in

this case to their own advantage. We have recently seen them trying

to gain mileage by OBC been given more percentage. Is this not

supporting or allowing a varna system or making vargas? But in their

case it is just trying to get more without merit. But when in our

case the vargas were made it was for merit, all sections knew their

duties,rights,obligations, boundaries, limitations of professions

etc. and every thing was going on smoothly for centuries before the

dawn of Invaders in India which spoiled the smooth functioning ,

and the hypocrisy is such that now when these same people are creating

vargas there is no one in the Govt. or ruling section to point

fingers, but when our ancestors did it they have always been painted

as sinners. This double minded hypocrisy is the order of the day. But

then it was already mentioned in the Ramayana in some Kand, that

when Kalyuga arrives the Shudras will rise and try to occupy all

the auspicious seats reserved for the pious. These people dont

realise that a person is Brahmin or shudra not only by birth but also

by individual Karmas which he is into.At the same time these

poiliticians would never allow a non Brahmin to perform wedding for

their daughter when their time comes, or a OBC who has been granted

pilots license with grace marks on a platter to drive their aircraft.

But this is the state of affairs in our country. what to do.

Merit based division of labour should be the call of the day and all

other divisions should be scrapped on a general administrative level,

while in the relgious boundaries they may be allowed to continue

without interferance from outsiders.

But we may never see this....

 

Bhaskar.

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

>

> dear readers,

> The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given

> to understand it isnt so. this caste system was

> divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and

> sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2

> centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the

> true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras

> are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels,

> tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them

> up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only

> hampering the growth of the country also their hatred

> towards other castes mentioned above.

>

> I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should

> be treated as equals.

>

> May god bless us all,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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dear friends

 

all holy scriptures say it loud and clear that god is present in all

sentient beings. realised people often described this atma or soul

which is the same in all these beings as god.

 

hence no human is higher than another. as per the true meaning of

the manusmriti and also as mentioned clearly in the gita, the four

varnas were merely four segments of professions and not the caste

system as it is made out.

 

two days ago when a small child prince fell into a deep pit, the

entire nation including the state chief minister and prime minister

were concerned in saving the life of one small child who is neither

a convent educated english speaking lad nor is the son of a rich and

famous family. slowly people are realising that god is there in all

human beings and are striving to serve and save all human beings

alike.

 

all educated people have realised the burial of the caste system and

are treating all humans alike. most of the marriages are happening

inter-caste and inter-state and the internet marriage sites have

performed millions of marriages based on human understanding than on

caste basis.

 

most brahmins by birth feel they belong to high caste which is

wrong. as per the scriptures, a true brahmin is supposed to have

studied the 4 vedas, 6 vedangas, 18 smritis, 18 puranas, 18

upapuranas, 12 shastras, 34 upanishads, 2 ithasas and even after

learning all these, live an austere saatvik life and such brahmins

are oft referred as sadachaar sampanna. most brahmins (including

myself) have not studied all of these and many of them are even

ignorant of their existence and realise how much homework is pending.

 

there is a humungous hypocricy with which the caste system is

presented in the media and hence let us stick to submission of facts

instead of criticising the caste system.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

> Without prejudice

>

> All are equal and all must be treated equal; and for the sake of

past, quality must not be compromised in the name of castism (and

reservation) - if one wants country to grow. Caste can not be excuse

for quality.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> After every "victory" you have more enemies.

>

>

> >

> > kgopu_24

> > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:40:26 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: ten commandments of dharma 25/7

> >

> >

> > dear readers,

> > The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given

> > to understand it isnt so. this caste system was

> > divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and

> > sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2

> > centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the

> > true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras

> > are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels,

> > tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them

> > up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only

> > hampering the growth of the country also their hatred

> > towards other castes mentioned above.

> >

> > I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should

> > be treated as equals.

> >

> > May god bless us all,

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Well said.

Bhaskar.

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> all holy scriptures say it loud and clear that god is present in

all

> sentient beings. realised people often described this atma or soul

> which is the same in all these beings as god.

>

> hence no human is higher than another. as per the true meaning of

> the manusmriti and also as mentioned clearly in the gita, the four

> varnas were merely four segments of professions and not the caste

> system as it is made out.

>

> two days ago when a small child prince fell into a deep pit, the

> entire nation including the state chief minister and prime minister

> were concerned in saving the life of one small child who is neither

> a convent educated english speaking lad nor is the son of a rich

and

> famous family. slowly people are realising that god is there in

all

> human beings and are striving to serve and save all human beings

> alike.

>

> all educated people have realised the burial of the caste system

and

> are treating all humans alike. most of the marriages are happening

> inter-caste and inter-state and the internet marriage sites have

> performed millions of marriages based on human understanding than

on

> caste basis.

>

> most brahmins by birth feel they belong to high caste which is

> wrong. as per the scriptures, a true brahmin is supposed to have

> studied the 4 vedas, 6 vedangas, 18 smritis, 18 puranas, 18

> upapuranas, 12 shastras, 34 upanishads, 2 ithasas and even after

> learning all these, live an austere saatvik life and such brahmins

> are oft referred as sadachaar sampanna. most brahmins (including

> myself) have not studied all of these and many of them are even

> ignorant of their existence and realise how much homework is

pending.

>

> there is a humungous hypocricy with which the caste system is

> presented in the media and hence let us stick to submission of

facts

> instead of criticising the caste system.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > Without prejudice

> >

> > All are equal and all must be treated equal; and for the sake of

> past, quality must not be compromised in the name of castism (and

> reservation) - if one wants country to grow. Caste can not be

excuse

> for quality.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > After every "victory" you have more enemies.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > kgopu_24@

> > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:40:26 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > Re: ten commandments of dharma 25/7

> > >

> > >

> > > dear readers,

> > > The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given

> > > to understand it isnt so. this caste system was

> > > divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and

> > > sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2

> > > centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the

> > > true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras

> > > are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels,

> > > tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them

> > > up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only

> > > hampering the growth of the country also their hatred

> > > towards other castes mentioned above.

> > >

> > > I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should

> > > be treated as equals.

> > >

> > > May god bless us all,

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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dear SriBhaskar,

Ur absolutely right, that today the politicians take

advantage of the divide and rule policy left over by

the invaders. But way back in 1920 Swami vivekananda

has written in his book that the upper castes

suppression of the lower castes will boomerang and he

said that exactly 50yrs this nation will be controlled

by Shudras who will not follow any morality once

assuming power and all sorts of corrupt and immoral

activities will take place like a poisonous snake

raising it hood to spread its venom. His vision has

come true if u take the state of tamilnadu

Mr>karunanidhi became the chief minister in the 70's

first thing he did was remove prohibition which was

strongly opposed by Sri Rajaji and no one need to

explain his harem of wives and concubines and he

allowed the seeds of corruption to germinate faster.

I still believe that Independence was given at the

wrong time astrologically both India and pakistan are

suffering in the hands of corrupt rulers.

 

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Gopuji,

 

Yes sir, we can see Mulayam singh, Laloo Prasad, Raja bhaiya and the

likes and the state of UP,Bihar in worst conditions today.

.........will stop here before this post creates problems/

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

>

> dear SriBhaskar,

> Ur absolutely right, that today the politicians take

> advantage of the divide and rule policy left over by

> the invaders. But way back in 1920 Swami vivekananda

> has written in his book that the upper castes

> suppression of the lower castes will boomerang and he

> said that exactly 50yrs this nation will be controlled

> by Shudras who will not follow any morality once

> assuming power and all sorts of corrupt and immoral

> activities will take place like a poisonous snake

> raising it hood to spread its venom. His vision has

> come true if u take the state of tamilnadu

> Mr>karunanidhi became the chief minister in the 70's

> first thing he did was remove prohibition which was

> strongly opposed by Sri Rajaji and no one need to

> explain his harem of wives and concubines and he

> allowed the seeds of corruption to germinate faster.

> I still believe that Independence was given at the

> wrong time astrologically both India and pakistan are

> suffering in the hands of corrupt rulers.

>

> with good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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True! The Sudhras are assigned the "Industry". While the Vysyas are

assigned the Finance/Business/Trading.

 

But, Sudhras job is being simply dubbed as Services as if it is a

lower level job. Contrary to the perceptions, Today 40% of Indias GDP

is from Service Sector and Software/IT/ITES/BPO is one of the Biggest

part of it. While Today people are crazy of Software Jobs and

Bridegrooms which is Service Sector or Sudhra profession by their own

interpretation.

While The fact of sudhras being poor and backward is the British

Ruining the Indian Industry,

Even The people like Swami Vivekananda, Aurobindo etc are said to

have cursed the Varna System and the Upper Castes for the plight of

the Sudhras.

All these ignored the people of Upper Castes killed by the british in

wars and Upper Caste people suppressed by the Missionaries.

All this was actually due to the depression caused due to Poverty and

is understandable.

 

But the Polticians of today are cursing the Upper Castes just for the

sake of Politics.

 

The True Culprits are the British who MisInterpreted the Scriptures

for their vested interest. And secondly, Stole a large number of

important books AND Thirdly, between 1765 and 1835 the Missionaries

with the help of the Army of East India Company did astaDigBhandhaNam

physically to the houses of the Hindu Scholars ie Brahmins Due to

which large Number of Brahmins could not follow lot of things of

Vedic Dharma.

Infact, As the Missionaries looted the houses and either demolished

or burned the houses when they did not find the great scriptures, The

Brightest scholars could not carry forward the Tradition of Teaching

the Hardcore Meaning/Marma in the Scriptures Thus largely decreasing

the quality of Scholarship in the future generations. And then came

the western education which simply questions every thing with its own

ignorance and ridicules for the others inability to answer.

 

This is all in the Tatva of the West which is Ruled by Rahu and Ketu.

Can you scholars please Analyse this Aspect without going into the

prediction part of the Astrology ?

Also, Can you pls suggest some ways to get rid of this Rahu-Ketu Dosh

with out appeasing it Itself ?

 

Really Sincerely,

- T. Jairam

 

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

>

> dear readers,

> The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given

> to understand it isnt so. this caste system was

> divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and

> sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2

> centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the

> true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras

> are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels,

> tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them

> up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only

> hampering the growth of the country also their hatred

> towards other castes mentioned above.

>

> I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should

> be treated as equals.

>

> May god bless us all,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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