Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Drar Pt arjun, good u brought some beter side of the Much hated Manu for no fault of his but the interpreters due to readign Max Muler's version of deliberate mischief, perversion and zeal topromote their values heter. Sanskrit can be read in different contexts and esp in 3 gunas and can mena differently he delierately chose and sued the worst meanings of most fo thwe words. Manu has may good things and a few that can be skipped or reviewd. but has many good points his classification of castes alone is seen in isolation and attacked he also gave responsiblites for each caste the way money, tax, interest rates, punishments r metted for each for the same crime is different. we need some one to post good versions of it. all religious /spiritual rules r laid in good faith the way it was implementd got curupted an ddegraded. panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear friends akin to the ten commandments given by moses in the Bible, manusmriti also has similar ten commandments of dharma which are not given due weightage and are not followed in letter and spirit: 1. contentment 2. forgiveness 3. control over mind 4. not to steal 5. observance of physical cleanliness 6. acquisition of wisdom through intellect 7. withdrawal of sense organs from their respective pleasures 8. education leading to spiritual uplift 9. truthfulness 10. abstention from anger manu suggests that the above ten commandments shall be observed daily by all persons belonging to all four stages of life (ashramas) even though some of the manusmriti preachings are not logical in the current context, the above ten commandments are general in nature and shall be emulated by one and all. with best wishes pandit arjun Prashantkumar G B -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. Please fix times for this in advance -*- 09840051861 How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 dear prashantji well said. the western media and those who read some english transcribed manusmritis have painted manusmriti as a draconian law. today i was re-reading an old book titled "Vedic Socialism" by Nitya Narayan Banerjee and was inspired to write this message. the real english translation made by a saatvik person would give the true meaning of the manusmriti which holds valid even today. with best wishes pandit arjun , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Drar Pt arjun, > good u brought some beter side of the Much hated Manu for no fault of his but the interpreters due to readign Max Muler's version of deliberate mischief, perversion and zeal topromote their values heter. > Sanskrit can be read in different contexts and esp in 3 gunas and can mena differently he delierately chose and sued the worst meanings of most fo thwe words. > Manu has may good things and a few that can be skipped or reviewd. > but has many good points > his classification of castes alone is seen in isolation and attacked he also gave responsiblites for each caste the way money, tax, interest rates, punishments r metted for each for the same crime is different. > we need some one to post good versions of it. > > all religious /spiritual rules r laid in good faith the way it was implementd got curupted an ddegraded. > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends > > akin to the ten commandments given by moses in the Bible, manusmriti > also has similar ten commandments of dharma which are not given due > weightage and are not followed in letter and spirit: > > 1. contentment > 2. forgiveness > 3. control over mind > 4. not to steal > 5. observance of physical cleanliness > 6. acquisition of wisdom through intellect > 7. withdrawal of sense organs from their respective pleasures > 8. education leading to spiritual uplift > 9. truthfulness > 10. abstention from anger > > manu suggests that the above ten commandments shall be observed > daily by all persons belonging to all four stages of life (ashramas) > > even though some of the manusmriti preachings are not logical in the > current context, the above ten commandments are general in nature > and shall be emulated by one and all. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear all, I too have kept the Manusmriti (Hindi translation)in my kitchen alongwith otherbooks for interminent study while waiting for dinner, and have referered to it many times . Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear prashantji > > well said. the western media and those who read some english > transcribed manusmritis have painted manusmriti as a draconian law. > today i was re-reading an old book titled "Vedic Socialism" by Nitya > Narayan Banerjee and was inspired to write this message. the real > english translation made by a saatvik person would give the true > meaning of the manusmriti which holds valid even today. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Drar Pt arjun, > > good u brought some beter side of the Much hated Manu for no > fault of his but the interpreters due to readign Max Muler's > version of deliberate mischief, perversion and zeal topromote their > values heter. > > Sanskrit can be read in different contexts and esp in 3 gunas > and can mena differently he delierately chose and sued the worst > meanings of most fo thwe words. > > Manu has may good things and a few that can be skipped or > reviewd. > > but has many good points > > his classification of castes alone is seen in isolation and > attacked he also gave responsiblites for each caste the way money, > tax, interest rates, punishments r metted for each for the same > crime is different. > > we need some one to post good versions of it. > > > > all religious /spiritual rules r laid in good faith the way it > was implementd got curupted an ddegraded. > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > wrote: dear friends > > > > akin to the ten commandments given by moses in the Bible, > manusmriti > > also has similar ten commandments of dharma which are not given > due > > weightage and are not followed in letter and spirit: > > > > 1. contentment > > 2. forgiveness > > 3. control over mind > > 4. not to steal > > 5. observance of physical cleanliness > > 6. acquisition of wisdom through intellect > > 7. withdrawal of sense organs from their respective pleasures > > 8. education leading to spiritual uplift > > 9. truthfulness > > 10. abstention from anger > > > > manu suggests that the above ten commandments shall be observed > > daily by all persons belonging to all four stages of life > (ashramas) > > > > even though some of the manusmriti preachings are not logical in > the > > current context, the above ten commandments are general in > nature > > and shall be emulated by one and all. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone > call rates. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 dear readers, The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given to understand it isnt so. this caste system was divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2 centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels, tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only hampering the growth of the country also their hatred towards other castes mentioned above. I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should be treated as equals. May god bless us all, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Sir, Without prejudice All are equal and all must be treated equal; and for the sake of past, quality must not be compromised in the name of castism (and reservation) - if one wants country to grow. Caste can not be excuse for quality. regards / Prafulla Gang After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:40:26 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: ten commandments of dharma 25/7 > > > dear readers, > The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given > to understand it isnt so. this caste system was > divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and > sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2 > centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the > true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras > are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels, > tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them > up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only > hampering the growth of the country also their hatred > towards other castes mentioned above. > > I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should > be treated as equals. > > May god bless us all, > k.gopu > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Gopuji, Yes it has been misinterpreted, but knowingly by the thekedars of the governing goverments ie, rulers off late., to mantain the unequilibrium and dictum of divide and rule, often portrayed in the forms of Upper caste having tortured the lower caste (The vice versa is never shown by the media).,or temples not allowing women, or foreigners,or lower castes (They will never shout if Parsis do not allow others to enter their Fire temples),sections have been created in the constitution deliberately to give advantages to the minorities without outlaying the duty part, this creation of section or allowing this created section to continue is also tatamount by all the roof shouters of supporting the varna system but now in this case to their own advantage. We have recently seen them trying to gain mileage by OBC been given more percentage. Is this not supporting or allowing a varna system or making vargas? But in their case it is just trying to get more without merit. But when in our case the vargas were made it was for merit, all sections knew their duties,rights,obligations, boundaries, limitations of professions etc. and every thing was going on smoothly for centuries before the dawn of Invaders in India which spoiled the smooth functioning , and the hypocrisy is such that now when these same people are creating vargas there is no one in the Govt. or ruling section to point fingers, but when our ancestors did it they have always been painted as sinners. This double minded hypocrisy is the order of the day. But then it was already mentioned in the Ramayana in some Kand, that when Kalyuga arrives the Shudras will rise and try to occupy all the auspicious seats reserved for the pious. These people dont realise that a person is Brahmin or shudra not only by birth but also by individual Karmas which he is into.At the same time these poiliticians would never allow a non Brahmin to perform wedding for their daughter when their time comes, or a OBC who has been granted pilots license with grace marks on a platter to drive their aircraft. But this is the state of affairs in our country. what to do. Merit based division of labour should be the call of the day and all other divisions should be scrapped on a general administrative level, while in the relgious boundaries they may be allowed to continue without interferance from outsiders. But we may never see this.... Bhaskar. , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear readers, > The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given > to understand it isnt so. this caste system was > divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and > sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2 > centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the > true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras > are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels, > tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them > up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only > hampering the growth of the country also their hatred > towards other castes mentioned above. > > I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should > be treated as equals. > > May god bless us all, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 dear friends all holy scriptures say it loud and clear that god is present in all sentient beings. realised people often described this atma or soul which is the same in all these beings as god. hence no human is higher than another. as per the true meaning of the manusmriti and also as mentioned clearly in the gita, the four varnas were merely four segments of professions and not the caste system as it is made out. two days ago when a small child prince fell into a deep pit, the entire nation including the state chief minister and prime minister were concerned in saving the life of one small child who is neither a convent educated english speaking lad nor is the son of a rich and famous family. slowly people are realising that god is there in all human beings and are striving to serve and save all human beings alike. all educated people have realised the burial of the caste system and are treating all humans alike. most of the marriages are happening inter-caste and inter-state and the internet marriage sites have performed millions of marriages based on human understanding than on caste basis. most brahmins by birth feel they belong to high caste which is wrong. as per the scriptures, a true brahmin is supposed to have studied the 4 vedas, 6 vedangas, 18 smritis, 18 puranas, 18 upapuranas, 12 shastras, 34 upanishads, 2 ithasas and even after learning all these, live an austere saatvik life and such brahmins are oft referred as sadachaar sampanna. most brahmins (including myself) have not studied all of these and many of them are even ignorant of their existence and realise how much homework is pending. there is a humungous hypocricy with which the caste system is presented in the media and hence let us stick to submission of facts instead of criticising the caste system. with best wishes pandit arjun , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > > Without prejudice > > All are equal and all must be treated equal; and for the sake of past, quality must not be compromised in the name of castism (and reservation) - if one wants country to grow. Caste can not be excuse for quality. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > kgopu_24 > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:40:26 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: ten commandments of dharma 25/7 > > > > > > dear readers, > > The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given > > to understand it isnt so. this caste system was > > divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and > > sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2 > > centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the > > true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras > > are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels, > > tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them > > up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only > > hampering the growth of the country also their hatred > > towards other castes mentioned above. > > > > I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should > > be treated as equals. > > > > May god bless us all, > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Well said. Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > all holy scriptures say it loud and clear that god is present in all > sentient beings. realised people often described this atma or soul > which is the same in all these beings as god. > > hence no human is higher than another. as per the true meaning of > the manusmriti and also as mentioned clearly in the gita, the four > varnas were merely four segments of professions and not the caste > system as it is made out. > > two days ago when a small child prince fell into a deep pit, the > entire nation including the state chief minister and prime minister > were concerned in saving the life of one small child who is neither > a convent educated english speaking lad nor is the son of a rich and > famous family. slowly people are realising that god is there in all > human beings and are striving to serve and save all human beings > alike. > > all educated people have realised the burial of the caste system and > are treating all humans alike. most of the marriages are happening > inter-caste and inter-state and the internet marriage sites have > performed millions of marriages based on human understanding than on > caste basis. > > most brahmins by birth feel they belong to high caste which is > wrong. as per the scriptures, a true brahmin is supposed to have > studied the 4 vedas, 6 vedangas, 18 smritis, 18 puranas, 18 > upapuranas, 12 shastras, 34 upanishads, 2 ithasas and even after > learning all these, live an austere saatvik life and such brahmins > are oft referred as sadachaar sampanna. most brahmins (including > myself) have not studied all of these and many of them are even > ignorant of their existence and realise how much homework is pending. > > there is a humungous hypocricy with which the caste system is > presented in the media and hence let us stick to submission of facts > instead of criticising the caste system. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Without prejudice > > > > All are equal and all must be treated equal; and for the sake of > past, quality must not be compromised in the name of castism (and > reservation) - if one wants country to grow. Caste can not be excuse > for quality. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > kgopu_24@ > > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:40:26 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Re: ten commandments of dharma 25/7 > > > > > > > > > dear readers, > > > The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given > > > to understand it isnt so. this caste system was > > > divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and > > > sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2 > > > centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the > > > true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras > > > are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels, > > > tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them > > > up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only > > > hampering the growth of the country also their hatred > > > towards other castes mentioned above. > > > > > > I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should > > > be treated as equals. > > > > > > May god bless us all, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 dear SriBhaskar, Ur absolutely right, that today the politicians take advantage of the divide and rule policy left over by the invaders. But way back in 1920 Swami vivekananda has written in his book that the upper castes suppression of the lower castes will boomerang and he said that exactly 50yrs this nation will be controlled by Shudras who will not follow any morality once assuming power and all sorts of corrupt and immoral activities will take place like a poisonous snake raising it hood to spread its venom. His vision has come true if u take the state of tamilnadu Mr>karunanidhi became the chief minister in the 70's first thing he did was remove prohibition which was strongly opposed by Sri Rajaji and no one need to explain his harem of wives and concubines and he allowed the seeds of corruption to germinate faster. I still believe that Independence was given at the wrong time astrologically both India and pakistan are suffering in the hands of corrupt rulers. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Gopuji, Yes sir, we can see Mulayam singh, Laloo Prasad, Raja bhaiya and the likes and the state of UP,Bihar in worst conditions today. .........will stop here before this post creates problems/ Regards, Bhaskar. , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear SriBhaskar, > Ur absolutely right, that today the politicians take > advantage of the divide and rule policy left over by > the invaders. But way back in 1920 Swami vivekananda > has written in his book that the upper castes > suppression of the lower castes will boomerang and he > said that exactly 50yrs this nation will be controlled > by Shudras who will not follow any morality once > assuming power and all sorts of corrupt and immoral > activities will take place like a poisonous snake > raising it hood to spread its venom. His vision has > come true if u take the state of tamilnadu > Mr>karunanidhi became the chief minister in the 70's > first thing he did was remove prohibition which was > strongly opposed by Sri Rajaji and no one need to > explain his harem of wives and concubines and he > allowed the seeds of corruption to germinate faster. > I still believe that Independence was given at the > wrong time astrologically both India and pakistan are > suffering in the hands of corrupt rulers. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 True! The Sudhras are assigned the "Industry". While the Vysyas are assigned the Finance/Business/Trading. But, Sudhras job is being simply dubbed as Services as if it is a lower level job. Contrary to the perceptions, Today 40% of Indias GDP is from Service Sector and Software/IT/ITES/BPO is one of the Biggest part of it. While Today people are crazy of Software Jobs and Bridegrooms which is Service Sector or Sudhra profession by their own interpretation. While The fact of sudhras being poor and backward is the British Ruining the Indian Industry, Even The people like Swami Vivekananda, Aurobindo etc are said to have cursed the Varna System and the Upper Castes for the plight of the Sudhras. All these ignored the people of Upper Castes killed by the british in wars and Upper Caste people suppressed by the Missionaries. All this was actually due to the depression caused due to Poverty and is understandable. But the Polticians of today are cursing the Upper Castes just for the sake of Politics. The True Culprits are the British who MisInterpreted the Scriptures for their vested interest. And secondly, Stole a large number of important books AND Thirdly, between 1765 and 1835 the Missionaries with the help of the Army of East India Company did astaDigBhandhaNam physically to the houses of the Hindu Scholars ie Brahmins Due to which large Number of Brahmins could not follow lot of things of Vedic Dharma. Infact, As the Missionaries looted the houses and either demolished or burned the houses when they did not find the great scriptures, The Brightest scholars could not carry forward the Tradition of Teaching the Hardcore Meaning/Marma in the Scriptures Thus largely decreasing the quality of Scholarship in the future generations. And then came the western education which simply questions every thing with its own ignorance and ridicules for the others inability to answer. This is all in the Tatva of the West which is Ruled by Rahu and Ketu. Can you scholars please Analyse this Aspect without going into the prediction part of the Astrology ? Also, Can you pls suggest some ways to get rid of this Rahu-Ketu Dosh with out appeasing it Itself ? Really Sincerely, - T. Jairam , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear readers, > The most misinterpreted is Manusmriti, but i am given > to understand it isnt so. this caste system was > divided into four, brahmins, kshatriyas,vysayas and > sudras. the first 3 werent affected in the last 2 > centuries but it was the sudras who were affected, the > true interpretation of nature work assigned to sudras > are of engineering nature ie they have to make wheels, > tools, etc. But how did this transform to fixing them > up to do menial jobs is a tragedy which is not only > hampering the growth of the country also their hatred > towards other castes mentioned above. > > I hope this situation gets extingushed and all should > be treated as equals. > > May god bless us all, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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