Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 That's what you say but then you have the stinkiest fruit in the world, a fruit which is illegal to eat in public. So people must even do some innocent things aside from prying noses. - "NMadasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy > <> Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:45 PM Re: "BEING THE MIRROR" ? lulu.dong > , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > >> >> like yourself... >> >> i hope this makes sense now ? >> >> > > Does everything have to make sense? You see I come from a society > where everything is so predictable. We are told, Singapore is such a > fantastic place. So efficient...productive, effective etc... and my > response is "We are so sterile" > > Every year in Singapore they have Festival of Arts. Performers from > all over the world gather in Singapore. Besides the usual performance > in the theatre or hall, they too schedule fringe performance : at > shopping centers etc... I love this too and will always make an > attempt to watch these street performance. In one of the performance: > during lunch time, all of us gather to watch the performance that none > of us understands. Then one man turn to me and asked : do u understand > what they are trying to say. It didnt make sense to me. I remarked, me > either, but you know come to think of it, look we are so > predictable... its refreshing dont you think. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Namaste, Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who "is the mirror" or of a person who likes to "become a mirror" Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? Where are you? When "Being the Mirror" everything is a "mirror" even the real Self, is a mirror. So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? If the primal Being, the original mirror, resides inside us all, why is it that only a few can ever realise it's true nature? Because falsity is the true nature of the primal being ? Is falsity also your nature ? Is falsity ignorance and is ignorance your nature ? Are we born ignorant ? The primal being is like a mirror, never telling the truth and always telling the truth, always telling a different truth to every creature. If we realise that ignorance is indeed our real nature, and that we are in fact the ignorant mirror than how would you describe this nature best? How to describe the nature of falsity? Indeed falsity, the mirror and ignorance resides within each of us, but to make this ignorance, this falsity and this mirror to our highest god and call it enlightenment simply sounds ignorant to me. But falsity is not aware of falsity, you are not aware that your real self is indeed your false self are you? Your false self identifies with your real self naturally, for your false self it is only natural to identify with your real self, but it is not natural for your real self to identify with your false self, your false self is like a mirror, it has no problems to identify with you, it can identify itself with everything, the mirror can identify itself with everything, but not everything can identify itself with a mirror, to identify with a mirror, one must identify with the absolute, with all the eye sees, in the present, future and past... the mirror can identify itself with everything. There is no boundary for the mirror to identify itself with, the mirror can even identify itself with another mirror, with your mirror, and so with yourself. To assume yourself to be the real primal being sounds ignorant ! You are this primal being, everyone is this primal being, primal being is our true nature, falsity is the true nature of the primal being, ignorance is the true nature of falsity. But to realise we're ignorant, to identify with ignorance, and to realise that falsity is indeed our real self, is to realise that we are indeed the ignorant self of everyone, ... To realise that we are false, to realise that falseness is indeed our real nature, is to realise that everyone is equally ignorant and that we are indeed everyone equally. In "Being the Mirror" the seen and experienced, the reflected world is false, the experiencer, the seer, the reflector is false, the experiencing, the reflecting, is false and even the true self, the Mirror itself is false. In "Being the Mirror" everything is false, all beings are false, the false is the true identity of all beings. The primal false identity incarnates into each being at birth... it grows up and developpes a unique sense of self... an identity... the so developped identity is what the primal false identity from now on believes to be... it doesn't believe to be the primal false identity, it doesn't want to believe to be the primal false identity, when it is in fact the primal false identity... the primal false identity from now on chooses to believe in it's new found identity... fact is it still is and never will be something other than the primal false identity... only that it is now believing to be a different identity... it lives with the believe that it is the developped identity... and doesn't believe to be the primal false identity... to which it returnes at death when everything which it has imagined during live perishes. I know this is very complicated... maybe it helps if i explain that the primal false identity.... which is called "being the mirror" .... is also known as Brahman, God, the absolute. But maybe it confuses things even more... Think of the Brahman as being the primal false identity. Think of the primal false identity being your identity. Think of your identity being false, and think of your false identity being the nature of everything in creation, always or most often and naturally developping a false sense of self during growth. like yourself... i hope this makes sense now ? now do you know someone who "is false" ? Are there any people "being ignorant" ? Where can i meet someone or a group of people who "are false" ? or are there any people here with the intention of "becoming ignorant" please reply! Lulu Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Well, since this all ties in now, I'll ramble on a bit about judgement. A person is their own final judge. Because you are you and no matter what someone else says about you, if you don't believe it it won't mean anything. Thus, now we see but through a mirror darkly, but some day we will see face to face. What will we see? Ourselves. At the hour when people awaken and are reflected to themselves in all their greatness or in all their miserliness, on that day you will all judge yourselves. May you render a fine judgement when all is made plain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 maybe noOne replied because you are "the mirror" you are searching for? i know for me just reading your post you seemed to bring out my "true nature." hell, i don't even understand your question. , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who "is the mirror" or of a person who likes to "become a mirror" > > Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? > > Where are you? > > When "Being the Mirror" everything is a "mirror" even the real Self, is a mirror. > > So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? > > > If the primal Being, the original mirror, resides inside us all, why is it that only a few can ever realise it's true nature? > > Because falsity is the true nature of the primal being ? > > Is falsity also your nature ? > > Is falsity ignorance and is ignorance your nature ? > > Are we born ignorant ? > > The primal being is like a mirror, never telling the truth and always telling the truth, always telling a different truth to every creature. > > If we realise that ignorance is indeed our real nature, and that we are in fact the ignorant mirror than how would you describe this nature best? > > How to describe the nature of falsity? > > Indeed falsity, the mirror and ignorance resides within each of us, but to make this ignorance, this falsity and this mirror to our highest god and call it enlightenment simply sounds ignorant to me. > > But falsity is not aware of falsity, you are not aware that your real self is indeed your false self are you? > > Your false self identifies with your real self naturally, for your false self it is only natural to identify with your real self, but it is not natural for your real self to identify with your false self, your false self is like a mirror, it has no problems to identify with you, it can identify itself with everything, the mirror can identify itself with everything, but not everything can identify itself with a mirror, to identify with a mirror, one must identify with the absolute, with all the eye sees, in the present, future and past... the mirror can identify itself with everything. > > There is no boundary for the mirror to identify itself with, the mirror can even identify itself with another mirror, with your mirror, and so with yourself. > > To assume yourself to be the real primal being sounds ignorant ! > > You are this primal being, everyone is this primal being, primal being is our true nature, falsity is the true nature of the primal being, ignorance is the true nature of falsity. > > But to realise we're ignorant, to identify with ignorance, and to realise that falsity is indeed our real self, is to realise that we are indeed the ignorant self of everyone, ... > > > To realise that we are false, to realise that falseness is indeed our real nature, is to realise that everyone is equally ignorant and that we are indeed everyone equally. > > > > > > In "Being the Mirror" the seen and experienced, the reflected world is false, the experiencer, the seer, the reflector is false, the experiencing, the reflecting, is false and even the true self, the Mirror itself is false. > > In "Being the Mirror" everything is false, all beings are false, the false is the true identity of all beings. > > The primal false identity incarnates into each being at birth... it grows up and developpes a unique sense of self... an identity... the so developped identity is what the primal false identity from now on believes to be... it doesn't believe to be the primal false identity, it doesn't want to believe to be the primal false identity, when it is in fact the primal false identity... the primal false identity from now on chooses to believe in it's new found identity... fact is it still is and never will be something other than the primal false identity... only that it is now believing to be a different identity... it lives with the believe that it is the developped identity... and doesn't believe to be the primal false identity... to which it returnes at death when everything which it has imagined during live perishes. > > I know this is very complicated... maybe it helps if i explain that the primal false identity.... which is called "being the mirror" .... is also known as Brahman, God, the absolute. > > But maybe it confuses things even more... > > Think of the Brahman as being the primal false identity. > > Think of the primal false identity being your identity. > > Think of your identity being false, > and think of your false identity being the nature of everything in creation, > always or most often and naturally developping a false sense of self during growth. > > like yourself... > > i hope this makes sense now ? > > > > > now do you know someone who "is false" ? > > Are there any people "being ignorant" ? > > Where can i meet someone or a group of people who "are false" ? > > or are there any people here with the intention of "becoming ignorant" > > > please reply! > > Lulu > > > > Groups are talking. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > like yourself... > > i hope this makes sense now ? > > Does everything have to make sense? You see I come from a society where everything is so predictable. We are told, Singapore is such a fantastic place. So efficient...productive, effective etc... and my response is "We are so sterile" Every year in Singapore they have Festival of Arts. Performers from all over the world gather in Singapore. Besides the usual performance in the theatre or hall, they too schedule fringe performance : at shopping centers etc... I love this too and will always make an attempt to watch these street performance. In one of the performance: during lunch time, all of us gather to watch the performance that none of us understands. Then one man turn to me and asked : do u understand what they are trying to say. It didnt make sense to me. I remarked, me either, but you know come to think of it, look we are so predictable... its refreshing dont you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 , "Llundrub" <llundrub wrote: > > That's what you say but then you have the stinkiest fruit in the world, a > fruit which is illegal to eat in public. So people must even do some > innocent things aside from prying noses. hahhaa yeah! perhaps. Maybe that is your nose. > > - > "NMadasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy > <> > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:45 PM > Re: "BEING THE MIRROR" ? lulu.dong > > > > , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > >> > >> like yourself... > >> > >> i hope this makes sense now ? > >> > >> > > > > Does everything have to make sense? You see I come from a society > > where everything is so predictable. We are told, Singapore is such a > > fantastic place. So efficient...productive, effective etc... and my > > response is "We are so sterile" > > > > Every year in Singapore they have Festival of Arts. Performers from > > all over the world gather in Singapore. Besides the usual performance > > in the theatre or hall, they too schedule fringe performance : at > > shopping centers etc... I love this too and will always make an > > attempt to watch these street performance. In one of the performance: > > during lunch time, all of us gather to watch the performance that none > > of us understands. Then one man turn to me and asked : do u understand > > what they are trying to say. It didnt make sense to me. I remarked, me > > either, but you know come to think of it, look we are so > > predictable... its refreshing dont you think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 A mirror is......... To see the mirror you simply be.............. Dark are the eyes of the goddess, within them all existance reflects....... Dark are the eyes of my soul where mahakali resides.......... A mirror like capacity is when you recognize that you are reflecting........... the mirror is the moment......... in the moment is the mirror........ the mirror is held by the dakini.............. Tarini ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: maybe noOne replied because you are "the mirror" you are searching for? i know for me just reading your post you seemed to bring out my "true nature." hell, i don't even understand your question. , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who "is the mirror" or of a person who likes to "become a mirror" > > Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? > > Where are you? > > When "Being the Mirror" everything is a "mirror" even the real Self, is a mirror. > > So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? > > > If the primal Being, the original mirror, resides inside us all, why is it that only a few can ever realise it's true nature? > > Because falsity is the true nature of the primal being ? > > Is falsity also your nature ? > > Is falsity ignorance and is ignorance your nature ? > > Are we born ignorant ? > > The primal being is like a mirror, never telling the truth and always telling the truth, always telling a different truth to every creature. > > If we realise that ignorance is indeed our real nature, and that we are in fact the ignorant mirror than how would you describe this nature best? > > How to describe the nature of falsity? > > Indeed falsity, the mirror and ignorance resides within each of us, but to make this ignorance, this falsity and this mirror to our highest god and call it enlightenment simply sounds ignorant to me. > > But falsity is not aware of falsity, you are not aware that your real self is indeed your false self are you? > > Your false self identifies with your real self naturally, for your false self it is only natural to identify with your real self, but it is not natural for your real self to identify with your false self, your false self is like a mirror, it has no problems to identify with you, it can identify itself with everything, the mirror can identify itself with everything, but not everything can identify itself with a mirror, to identify with a mirror, one must identify with the absolute, with all the eye sees, in the present, future and past... the mirror can identify itself with everything. > > There is no boundary for the mirror to identify itself with, the mirror can even identify itself with another mirror, with your mirror, and so with yourself. > > To assume yourself to be the real primal being sounds ignorant ! > > You are this primal being, everyone is this primal being, primal being is our true nature, falsity is the true nature of the primal being, ignorance is the true nature of falsity. > > But to realise we're ignorant, to identify with ignorance, and to realise that falsity is indeed our real self, is to realise that we are indeed the ignorant self of everyone, ... > > > To realise that we are false, to realise that falseness is indeed our real nature, is to realise that everyone is equally ignorant and that we are indeed everyone equally. > > > > > > In "Being the Mirror" the seen and experienced, the reflected world is false, the experiencer, the seer, the reflector is false, the experiencing, the reflecting, is false and even the true self, the Mirror itself is false. > > In "Being the Mirror" everything is false, all beings are false, the false is the true identity of all beings. > > The primal false identity incarnates into each being at birth... it grows up and developpes a unique sense of self... an identity... the so developped identity is what the primal false identity from now on believes to be... it doesn't believe to be the primal false identity, it doesn't want to believe to be the primal false identity, when it is in fact the primal false identity... the primal false identity from now on chooses to believe in it's new found identity... fact is it still is and never will be something other than the primal false identity... only that it is now believing to be a different identity... it lives with the believe that it is the developped identity... and doesn't believe to be the primal false identity... to which it returnes at death when everything which it has imagined during live perishes. > > I know this is very complicated... maybe it helps if i explain that the primal false identity.... which is called "being the mirror" .... is also known as Brahman, God, the absolute. > > But maybe it confuses things even more... > > Think of the Brahman as being the primal false identity. > > Think of the primal false identity being your identity. > > Think of your identity being false, > and think of your false identity being the nature of everything in creation, > always or most often and naturally developping a false sense of self during growth. > > like yourself... > > i hope this makes sense now ? > > > > > now do you know someone who "is false" ? > > Are there any people "being ignorant" ? > > Where can i meet someone or a group of people who "are false" ? > > or are there any people here with the intention of "becoming ignorant" > > > please reply! > > Lulu > > > > Groups are talking. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Hello Tarini, feels warm and cozy around that heart and soul, like love ... Thanx, Lulu Dark are the eyes of the goddess, within them all existance reflects....... Dark are the eyes of my soul where mahakali resides.......... A mirror is......... To see the mirror you simply be.............. Dark are the eyes of the goddess, within them all existance reflects....... Dark are the eyes of my soul where mahakali resides.......... A mirror like capacity is when you recognize that you are reflecting.......... the mirror is the moment......... in the moment is the mirror........ the mirror is held by the dakini.............. Tarini ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: maybe noOne replied because you are "the mirror" you are searching for? i know for me just reading your post you seemed to bring out my "true nature." hell, i don't even understand your question. , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who "is the mirror" or of a person who likes to "become a mirror" > > Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? > > Where are you? > > When "Being the Mirror" everything is a "mirror" even the real Self, is a mirror. > > So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 maybe noOne replied because you are "the mirror" you are searching for? i know for me just reading your post you seemed to bring out my "true nature." hell, i don't even understand your question. well thanks, that's already a start, but I'm not looking for myself, i have found myself years ago, i am "the mirror" yes, but i'm not looking for myself, i'm looking for other people with the same SENSE of self, the sense that they ARE mirrors, NOT people. see, i came to the believe that what i call "i", is omnipotent, "i" is everywhere, at anytime. And so I'm looking for people who are aware of this, but also for others who are not aware of this but like to become aware of it. The problem is, that as soon an "i" becomes aware of this, this is very difficult to explain, but an aware "i" usually tends to neglect or forget other "i's" when the "i" i'm talking about is omnipotent and universal, it is present in all i's. if this is very confusing don't worry, simply ignore it. can you imagine to be at various places simultaneously? can you imagine writing yourself a message from a simultaneous place? what would you write in this message to convince yourself that you are being at the same time at a different place? the universal i is difficult to explain ... try for yourself..! Lulu here's an update: now do you know someone who is consciously wrong ? Are there any people knowingly ignorant ? Where can i meet someone or a group of people who is aware of their falsness ? or are there any people here with the intention of purposely becoming wrong, false, ignorant and stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 The truth for idiots LOL I agree pretty much, if someone handed me a book with the title the truth for idiots, i would probably not want to read it, because i want to discover at least some bits by myself. So if something makes too much sense, I am getting naturally annoyed, because the truth is after all mine, not theirs. Lulu Does everything have to make sense? You see I come from a society where everything is so predictable. We are told, Singapore is such a fantastic place. So efficient...productive, effective etc... and my response is "We are so sterile" Every year in Singapore they have Festival of Arts. Performers from all over the world gather in Singapore. Besides the usual performance in the theatre or hall, they too schedule fringe performance : at shopping centers etc... I love this too and will always make an attempt to watch these street performance. In one of the performance: during lunch time, all of us gather to watch the performance that none of us understands. Then one man turn to me and asked : do u understand what they are trying to say. It didnt make sense to me. I remarked, me either, but you know come to think of it, look we are so predictable... its refreshing dont you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 On 8/2/06, NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote: > > , "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us > wrote: > > > > maybe noOne replied because you are "the mirror" you are searching > > for? i know for me just reading your post you seemed to bring out > > my "true nature." hell, i don't even understand your question. > > > > > > > > So my question is: does the mirror projects the truth? Or only > projects what your mind wants to see? Great Question. However before that I have another one.. What is truth.. ? My bigger problem is can my eyes actually the right instrument to see the truth. Or are these senses immature to do the job. Do I need something extra to see/understand/comprehend the truth? -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Allow me to give my 2 cents.. On 8/3/06, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong > wrote: > > > well thanks, that's already a start, but I'm not looking for myself, > i have found myself years ago, It has been really long since someone made that claim.. i.e. "they have found them self". I will assume for now that you know what you are saying. i am "the mirror" yes, but i'm not looking for myself, i'm looking for other > people with the same SENSE of self, the sense that they ARE mirrors, NOT > people. Perhaps, I can say then you are looking for people like your self. "Bird of a feather flocks together." Once you have found them then what is your intent? see, i came to the believe that what i call "i", is omnipotent, "i" is > everywhere, at anytime. And so I'm looking for people who are aware of this, > but also for others who are not aware of this but like to become aware of > it. The concept of "I" is everywhere is very know to myself. But I hope when you say "aware" you don't mean "know". Because everyone knows it, very rarely people are aware of it. Thats why my first comment in this email. if this is very confusing don't worry, simply ignore it. Don't know how other persons will reply to that. I can say for myself. I don't ignore if its confusing usually. But I do tend to ignore if I fail to see the points. Now that could be because I am not mature enough to see the point, or there is no point. can you imagine to be at various places simultaneously? Any place any time. If its all me.. then there is nothing else. Then there is nothing to imagine. "IT IS ALL ME". But then I think that is easy. How about we make it bit complex. Instead of being "imagine" can you be there "really"? Will wait for your answer on that. can you imagine writing yourself a message from a simultaneous place? Again lets move up the stakes. Instead of "imagine", make it "real". Can you? what would you write in this message to convince yourself that you are > being at the same time at a different place? I don't need to convince myself. Either I know it or I don't know it. I know when I will be there. the universal i is difficult to explain ... I would disagree with you on that. It is very easy. If everything is me or "i" , then if I can explain myself I can explain universal "i" too. They both will be equal. Or am I missing the point again. try for yourself..! I am still trying to find out myself. BTW I do love how a "mirror" has lead to so much of philosophical discussion. This is very interesting. But then is it only discussion, or can it help me in "elevating" myself. If it cant then perhaps I should ignore it.. Thanks and Regards Dp Lulu > > > > here's an update: > > now do you know someone who is consciously wrong ? > > Are there any people knowingly ignorant ? > > Where can i meet someone or a group of people who is aware of their > falsness ? > > or are there any people here with the intention of purposely becoming > wrong, false, ignorant and stupid? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Hello Lulu, On 8/4/06, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong > wrote: > > > Dear Dhirendra Pal > > > It is a good way to start a conversation by trusting > in that your partner is aware of real self, > it shows respect. I have leared that respect is a must. Also I have found knowledge and wisdom in places where normal people think there is none. My Master, My Mother and The Nature are the best teachers I have know. So I have no issues in beginning with that you or for that matter someone else making a claim that they are realized. "People judge other by their own standards". Perhaps that's why if I said I am realized I would be so I think you know what you are talking about.. However please do understand, that once someone has made "this" claim, then they would have to either prove it or else I would have to ignore them. Now its very much up to them, as to whether prove themself or not, as they may chose not to.. but then in that case I would say why even make a claim... in the first place As I don't want to end up following a guy who claims to be a priest, has molested kids and is on FBI's wanted list. (Yes this is really someone like that, I saw it in America's Most Wanted. ) >> Perhaps, I can say then you are looking for people like your self. > "Bird of a feather flocks together." > > Yes, that is the Perfect expression. Glad we are on the same page. >> Once you have found them then what is your intent? > > Explaining the universal "i"... to the universal "i". > to explain "myself" to "myself". Very Interesting. But why would you want to explain it to those who have already realised it.. On the contrary if I were you, I would also look for people who hasn't found out the truth, so that I can help them to find it, provided I have realised it. And off course this can only happen if they are interested too.. with some exceptions off course >> The concept of "I" is everywhere is very know to myself. > > Are we speaking of the same "I" ? > Is your ideal of the universal "I" the same as mine ? A) I used the word "known". I didnt said "realise". B) Lets assume that the answer is "NO" ( I love to begin from NO). But I "know" for certain, that I can know/read/understand/analyse any ideology. The only ones I "refuse to accept" as the ones that treat feminine power, second to masculine. C) I assume the word universal has the same meaning for you and me. Just to be on the same page the dictionary say "Of, relating to, extending to, or affecting the entire world or all within the world". Where the "world" is "universe". Remember the word has "uni" so there cant be multi in it. Assuming that you also translate it to the same thing, My answer would be YES. D) Finally the real answer can only be given by you... Not by me.. remember you are the one who is realised. Not me. I am still what is nicely called in Buddhism, "Wanderling". So you would know on what level I am, and only you can understand/comprehend what I am saying. Vice-versa may/can not be true. Beside, I agree "to know" and "to understand what we know" is sometimes > different. Very Different if I may add. I know that eating less, and doing pranamaya is very good for me. But doesn't mean I have realised it.. because if I had.. I would be probably doing it.. >> Do you understand the ideal of the universal "i" ? Yes I do. > can you imagine to be at various places simultaneously? > > >> Any place any time. If its all me.. then there is nothing else. > >> Then there is nothing to imagine. "IT IS ALL ME". But then I think > that is easy. > >> How about we make it bit complex. Instead of "imagine" can you be > there > >> "really"? Will wait for your answer on that. > > Can I be where you are really ? ... can you be where i am really ?... > can i think your thoughts really... > can i see out of your eyes really... can you look out of mine really ... > ? I surely understood the point. However I dont think I made my point clearly. When I asked you the question.. "can you be at any place really" I meant it "really", "physically". Its not in terms of philosophy where you can equate yourself as universal "I", then bring me in calculation, and prove that you can be at more then one place. I am actually referring to your ability to be at any given place "physically". To further clarify the situation allow me to tell you the difference between "Astronomers" and "Astronauts". Astronomers : studies planets, by staying on earth. He/she sits in the luxury of his/her own house, work place, and does the job. This doesnt means that "Astronomers" do anothing. How they don't have to break a sweat... In relation to what I am about to say next. Astronauts : On the other hand actually, hops on a space shuttle, faces the dangers (may be the ones predicted by Astronomers, or far more dangerous, then predicted.. ) and goes "onto the planet" to explore it. So my question falls in the "Astronauts" category. No theories or logics any more. So if you can be anywhere, at anytime, feel free to drop by my work any time, "physically" and "I will believe that you are a realised "Astronaut"". However if we are talking on an "Astronomers" plane, then these are mere words, which, unfortunately ,will not take me any far (at least that's what I believe) as, now my goal is to be an "Astronaut". And this would also explain when I start to ignore things I did type in couple of response for the rest of the email, but then I realised, it will not do any good, Until what I have asked before, is know. So you may please skip them. Will wait for a response... Thanks and Regards Dp if it's really that easy, ... if it is all you... and if you are > everything and everywhere... than who's composing this message... ....if > not you ? Does it matter? Will it change anything, if "I" answere it right or wrong. Is there a right or wrong. If everything is me.. then there is nothing else. is there more than one you, is there maybe a different you, is there a you > which you have never heared of ? A you which you have never seen ? If this > is all really you... Does this matter too ... than who is this you, who you are talking to... > .... a you in a different dimension, > ....a you in a different time, > .... a you in a different body, > ... is it the real you or is it a false you that you are talking to ? I am still stuck on universe. "Uni" is one. Doesnt matter the dimension, time and body. Or does it.. ? If all is really you, how can you be sure this you is really you, ... ? There is nothing to be sure off.. You have to be sure only when there are 2. With one there is nothing to be sure it. It is what it is.. There is no "sure" and "un sure". There is no light no darkness. There is God, there is no God. There is me, there is no me. Everything "IS" one. I can go on and on and on with these kinds of questions and answers. But then the point it.. "do they take me anywhere.." ? If this all is really you, how can you be sure which one of all this you > is the real you ? > > > > can you imagine writing yourself a message from a simultaneous > place? > > >> Again lets move up the stakes. Instead of "imagine", make it "real". > Can > you? > > > >>> Can I write a message from a simultaneous self ? > > Am I your simultaneous self, am i writing you this message from a > simultaneous place ? If your answer is yes, i am, than you will know that i > can, if your answer is no, i still can but you may ignore that i am. > > you are at so many infinite places, in so many different times and in so > many countless bodies, how is it possible that you know all this places and > times and bodies ? i am in most of these places and times and bodies without > knowing that i am there, i am there unknowingly, when i am there i'm > ignorant, for example this rock, i am in this rock, but when i am the rock, > i don' know that i am the rock, i simply am.... > > > the universal "i" is difficult to explain ... > > >> I would disagree with you on that. It is very easy. If everything is me > or > >> "i" , then if I can explain myself I can explain universal "i" too. > They > >> both will be equal. > > that's right, you're not missing the point, if i can explain myself, i > can explain the universal "i", but explaining myself is as difficult as > explaining the universal "i", that's why i'm looking for people like me and > myself. > Bird of a feather floks together. > > > Kind Regards, > Lulu > > > [The force is feminine in nature] > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call > rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 My Dear Lulu, I am combining both the email (one sent to me directly and the other sent to SS) answers in this single email as I dont see this discussion going anywhere. Now in the email you have sent me you have asked the following questions.. On 8/5/06, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong > wrote: > > How would you answer your question ? > I can anwser but then it wouldnt be fun, now would it...? The question was meant for you not for me.. What answer would you expect ? > > What answer do you wish to receive ? > A) I though I made it clear what I want. Still you ask "What answer whould you expect"? B) You see the questions you have asked are like the ones we are asked when we are seeing a theparist. Now if I need therapy, I will go to someone here locally. So it seems you are just playing a games of words, and not answere any questions directly... C) I though you are the realised one. Forgive my language, but if you have to ask me the answers I "wish to receive" , then I dont think you can give any answers on "That", the one and only. What good would it do to me, if I asked the question to you, then gave the answeres to you too... "Do I really sound that dumb..?" ha ha ha formulate one, according to your expectations and wishes and let me know. > If you are realised, I dont have to.. I never tell my master what I want, yet he knows everything, and grants me everything.. I mean what ever I need, off course, and not what I want.. ha ha ha (I have always wanted to have dinner with Kate Winslet.. boy oh boy) And then regarding the email you have sent to the group... On 8/5/06, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong > wrote: > > Namaste, > > in my ideal of understanding universal oneness, not only self realised > people are part of "universal oneness", You wouldnt need to use the word "understading", if you are "realised". I sense doubt. There can/should be no doubt at that stage. in my ideal of understanding universal oneness all beings belong to this > oneness... Please refer to the above line. thus, i can only speak from my personal experience, Please refer to the above line. if what you have learned does ever perish. I will again beg to differ. The Knowledge I seek, never pershises. Once you "Know" it, you dont need to know anything. "Knowingit" gives you all the knowledge of the world. Which my dear friend has finally brought me to the conclusion, that you talks are still of those Astronomers. It was great talking to you. Learned a lot. Will be signing out on this thread... Tons of Thanks and Regards Dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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