Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Alka, both the points said below r true there is a September issues [special] in ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE, by raman's which has covered this will in 72, 73 and in 80's also form which what u said Mars in Makara and Sani if Tula or a Kendra also cancel it he neechatva of Mars. Mars inMekdra to chandra or Mars in Kendra to Sani also. and in the case where the beggar, millionaire comparison is made the one giving cancellation gets the power more to confer the results. Alka Saini <alka.saini > wrote: Hi Ashutosh, Sourav said that we will look at Jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) to be in kendra from lagna or moon and you are saying that we will look for the lord of the sign where mars gets exalted (capricorn) i.e. saturn. This is the confusion, I am unable to make out who is correct. Two people can have two different views, but I think that the rule should be interpreted in only one way. Alka astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote: Dear Alka, Why would you need to look at jupiter or exaltation sign of mars. But you should look for the following: 1. A powerfull moon (lord of house of debiliation) in kendra from ascendent. Or 2. A powerfull saturn ("lord" of exaltation sign of mars) in kendra from ascendent or moon. Regards, Ashutosh [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable] - Alka Saini Saturday, 29 July, 2006 10:59 Re: cancellation of debility?? Hi Ashutosh, Thanks for the comments, but somebody on other group gave me the following, so I am still not clear with point 2. This what I got as an answer: > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. [sourav]: Yes Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. [sourav]: No Now the answers are exact opposite. What should I think is correct. Alka astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote: Dear Alka, When moon is the depositor then no need to look from the moon itself. Only the angles from ascendent will be seen here. The second rule: For example, mars is debiliated in cancer, then the lord of the sign of exaltation of mars (not moon) should be in kendra from moon or ascendent. But, here are some misconceptions too. The cancellation of debiliation does not occur only by depositior's placement in kendra, but the depositor should also be strong by being placed in own house or in exaltation. A mediocre depositor will not cancel the debiliation. The debiliation is not cancelled by simple aspect of depositor on debiliated planet. The debiliation is never cancelled in totality, it is only reduced. Regards, Ashutosh [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable] - Alka Saini Friday, 28 July, 2006 13:38 cancellation of debility?? Hi, I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about cancellation of debility. 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house from ascendant or the moon. 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an angle from the acendant or the moon. 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for dispositor? Now my doubts: 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to moon. 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any remedies for debilitated planet? Kindly answer my queries. Alka Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear mr Prashant , alka and ashutosh. i shall bring to your notice an interesting combination which has the example you people are discussing .well for anyone born on 26th september 1998 at 12 in the afternoon at delhi the moon is in scorpio in first house mars in cancer in ninth jupitor is in fourth saturn is in sixth in aries but retrograde venus is in virgo but with mercury and sun.interesting isint it four debilitations and foyr cancellations . what do you people say? regards --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Alka, > both the points said below r true > there is a September issues [special] in > ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE, by raman's which has covered > this will in 72, 73 and in 80's also > form which what u said > Mars in Makara and Sani if Tula or a Kendra also > cancel it he neechatva of Mars. > Mars inMekdra to chandra > or Mars in Kendra to Sani also. > and in the case where the beggar, millionaire > comparison is made the one giving cancellation gets > the power more to confer the results. > > > Alka Saini <alka.saini > wrote: > Hi Ashutosh, > > Sourav said that we will look at Jupiter (it gets > exalted in cancer) to be in kendra from lagna or > moon and you are saying that we will look for the > lord of the sign where mars gets exalted (capricorn) > i.e. saturn. > > This is the confusion, I am unable to make out who > is correct. Two people can have two different views, > but I think that the rule should be interpreted in > only one way. > > Alka > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> > wrote: > Dear Alka, > > Why would you need to look at jupiter or > exaltation sign of mars. But you should look for the > following: > > 1. A powerfull moon (lord of house of debiliation) > in kendra from ascendent. > > Or > > 2. A powerfull saturn ("lord" of exaltation sign > of mars) in kendra from ascendent or moon. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > [The services of this professional astrologer are > free on this group but off-group consultations are > chargeable] > > - > Alka Saini > > Saturday, 29 July, 2006 10:59 > Re: cancellation of debility?? > > Hi Ashutosh, > > Thanks for the comments, but somebody on other > group gave me the following, so I am still not clear > with point 2. > > This what I got as an answer: > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 > properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if > i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets > exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular > house from moon or asecendant. > [sourav]: Yes > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars > (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house > from moon or asecendant. > [sourav]: No > > Now the answers are exact opposite. What should I > think is correct. > > Alka > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> > wrote: > Dear Alka, > > When moon is the depositor then no need to look > from the moon itself. Only the angles from ascendent > will be seen here. > > The second rule: > > For example, mars is debiliated in cancer, then > the lord of the sign of exaltation of mars (not > moon) should be in kendra from moon or ascendent. > > But, here are some misconceptions too. > > The cancellation of debiliation does not occur > only by depositior's placement in kendra, but the > depositor should also be strong by being placed in > own house or in exaltation. A mediocre depositor > will not cancel the debiliation. > > The debiliation is not cancelled by simple aspect > of depositor on debiliated planet. > > The debiliation is never cancelled in totality, it > is only reduced. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > [The services of this professional astrologer are > free on this group but off-group consultations are > chargeable] > > - > Alka Saini > > Friday, 28 July, 2006 13:38 > cancellation of debility?? > > Hi, > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some > clarifications for cancellation of debility. I have > read the following 4 points about cancellation of > debility. > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is > in an angulare house from ascendant or the moon. > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is > exalted is in an angle from the acendant or the > moon. > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its > dipositor. > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted > Navamasa. > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars > is placed in cancer, then dispositor of mars is > moon. Is my understanding correct for dispositor? > > Now my doubts: > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor > will always be moon, which will be in an angle from > moon. So, does that mean that mars never gets > debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets > cancelled due to moon. > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 > properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if > i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets > exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular > house from moon or asecendant. Or we to check the > exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to > perform any remedies for debilitated planet? > > Kindly answer my queries. > > Alka > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new > Mail Beta. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new > Mail Beta. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check > out the handy changes to . > > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 dear freiends my general observation is that all the new manmade yogas (invented in the recent past) were not found mention or have any place in the original classics. there is a clear ambivalence in all these yogas: Mangal Dosha you find mangal dosha if mangal is in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses that too when seen from lagna, chandra lagna and some even say sukra lagna. then you also have 1001 relaxation rules. KSY and KAY clear ambivalence is found whether all planets shall be this side or that side, then if one planet is with the nodes and within the degrees then also you have ksy. kay is something hard to digest as ksy itself does not exist in that name. NBRY and UBDY neechabhanga rajayoga is something illogical. how can a clear cut neecha result not only vanishes but also give completely opposite rajayoga results. yes, it would definitely reduce the negative results. similar is the uchhabhanga daridra yoga. VRY here you find all lords of dusthanas placed in dusthana giving highly auspicious results. in my experience most charts with these placements have not found any rajayoga results. similarly there are so many new rules and principle like kendradhipati dosham etc. where an apparently easy principles of astrology are made out to give exactly opposite results making an already complex science a more compound maze of rules and opposite rules. personally i believe in a half blind chart where enemeis are in conjunctions and so many houses are deovid of strength. similarly i also believe in the grahana yoga because i found in hundreds of charts natives not getting the best results promised due to the eclipsing affect of sun+rahu or moon+ketu. other than these two i dont fully believe the other new modern man invented yogas but wont criticise either. truly, the adage suits well with astrology that "looks can be deceptive" because a look at the chart and the rules based on the principles are deceived by these modern man invented yogas. with best wishes pandit arjun (the adage "seeing is believing" is not true, for there is another adage "looks can be deceptive") , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > Alka, > both the points said below r true > there is a September issues [special] in ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE, by raman's which has covered this will in 72, 73 and in 80's also > form which what u said > Mars in Makara and Sani if Tula or a Kendra also cancel it he neechatva of Mars. > Mars inMekdra to chandra > or Mars in Kendra to Sani also. > and in the case where the beggar, millionaire comparison is made the one giving cancellation gets the power more to confer the results. > > > Alka Saini <alka.saini wrote: Hi Ashutosh, > > Sourav said that we will look at Jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) to be in kendra from lagna or moon and you are saying that we will look for the lord of the sign where mars gets exalted (capricorn) i.e. saturn. > > This is the confusion, I am unable to make out who is correct. Two people can have two different views, but I think that the rule should be interpreted in only one way. > > Alka > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: > Dear Alka, > > Why would you need to look at jupiter or exaltation sign of mars. But you should look for the following: > > 1. A powerfull moon (lord of house of debiliation) in kendra from ascendent. > > Or > > 2. A powerfull saturn ("lord" of exaltation sign of mars) in kendra from ascendent or moon. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable] > > - > Alka Saini > > Saturday, 29 July, 2006 10:59 > Re: cancellation of debility?? > > Hi Ashutosh, > > Thanks for the comments, but somebody on other group gave me the following, so I am still not clear with point 2. > > This what I got as an answer: > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > [sourav]: Yes > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > [sourav]: No > > Now the answers are exact opposite. What should I think is correct. > > Alka > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: > Dear Alka, > > When moon is the depositor then no need to look from the moon itself. Only the angles from ascendent will be seen here. > > The second rule: > > For example, mars is debiliated in cancer, then the lord of the sign of exaltation of mars (not moon) should be in kendra from moon or ascendent. > > But, here are some misconceptions too. > > The cancellation of debiliation does not occur only by depositior's placement in kendra, but the depositor should also be strong by being placed in own house or in exaltation. A mediocre depositor will not cancel the debiliation. > > The debiliation is not cancelled by simple aspect of depositor on debiliated planet. > > The debiliation is never cancelled in totality, it is only reduced. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable] > > - > Alka Saini > > Friday, 28 July, 2006 13:38 > cancellation of debility?? > > Hi, > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about cancellation of debility. > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house from ascendant or the moon. > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an angle from the acendant or the moon. > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for dispositor? > > Now my doubts: > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to moon. > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any remedies for debilitated planet? > > Kindly answer my queries. > > Alka > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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