Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Respected Visti ji, Cousin of mine died in an accident a month back. Mercury is exalted in 7th house (marnakaraka sthana). 8 th lord venus is debilitated in 7 th house. Please let me know if there was an indication of short life in his chart. His birth details are as follows: Date of birth : 28-9-66 Time of birth : 6.30 pm Place of birth :Bellary (76 E 55'00", 15 N 09'00") Thanks Nirmala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Namskar First of all I am sorry about your Cousin secondly longevity is not predictable some time. but let us try to find out the Rudra time for the native. The basic rule are as follow for life span. Lagna + 8th Lord = chara +duel sign = short life Lagna +horo lagna -= duel +duel = middle life Satrun + moon = duel sign + fixed sign – long life >From above pair we can calculate middle life span .but Further the age can be altered by the placement of the 8th lord in 4,7,10. long to middle or short or vice versa. So at the time of death the native was around 40 the first rule is applicable. *Middle life span we consider from* 36-72. * * *Shoola Dasa calculation* The shoola dasa started from 7th house. progression will be zodiacal. AS per rule if the lord of 8th house in 7th,8th or 9th house death will occur in second shoola dasa. The Madhya ayau kahand start from *Capricorn to Aries* death can occur in this period . As the Capricorn rashi is thrd from al aspected by deblited mars which is rudra too for the chart can kill the native as the is 5th khanda i.e 36-45 and at the time of death the native was of 40 year .Capricorn dasa was going on Shoola dasa (troubles and death): Cp MD: 2002-09-29 (11:59:59 pm) - 2011-09-30 (7:22:54 am) Sg AD: 2006-06-28 (1:14:10 pm) - 2007-03-27 (7:01:10 pm) and the sat run was transiting over the Jeeva shama at the time of the death as you mentioned he died last months. As the 8th lord from lagna is chara rashi and the 8th from AL is duel the native will die out of house only. Please mention the month, date and time for further calculation. So according my understanding I have done my best to clear picture . Amit puri On 02/08/06, knirmala999 <knirmala99 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Respected Visti ji, > > Cousin of mine died in an accident a month back. > Mercury is exalted in 7th house (marnakaraka sthana). > 8 th lord venus is debilitated in 7 th house. > Please let me know if there was an indication of short life in his > chart. > His birth details are as follows: > Date of birth : 28-9-66 > Time of birth : 6.30 pm > Place of birth :Bellary (76 E 55'00", 15 N 09'00") > > Thanks > Nirmala. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Nirmalaji, Sorry for barging in though the mail was addressed to Vistiji. Yes, the indication for short life comes from the fact that Chandra is located in a dusthana. Though that is not as severe as Chandra being in 6th or 8th, in this case it is the main reason for the short life. Though Sani is associated with Lagna, Sani is rendered weak as he is almost at Bhava Sandhi (Sripathi Bhava). Is it possible to indicate the kind of injuries from the accident? I still would like to hear Vistiji's views. Regards, Krishna --- knirmala999 <knirmala99 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Respected Visti ji, > > Cousin of mine died in an accident a month back. > Mercury is exalted in 7th house (marnakaraka sthana). > 8 th lord venus is debilitated in 7 th house. > Please let me know if there was an indication of short life in > his > chart. > His birth details are as follows: > Date of birth : 28-9-66 > Time of birth : 6.30 pm > Place of birth :Bellary (76 E 55'00", 15 N 09'00") > > Thanks > Nirmala. > > > > > Dear Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Nirmala, Namaskar I'm sorry for your loss. Have comfort in that our loved ones never leave us, but have merely changed their form for another temporary experience. There are longevity indicators in the chart showing short life. Amit Puri has already written a nice mail clarifying the same. Krishnamurty Seetharama is not correct that the problem is related to the Moon alone, as then we are talking about balarishta yogas which end when the child reaches 8 years of age. He was 39 years old when the incident happened. Thus he was in Madhya Ayur, or occupying his middle life portion (commonly 36-72). When we analyze the three pairs we find that all three pairs are indicating different types of longevity, and hence as per Parasara's advise we will use the pair indicated by Lagna and Hora Lagna, which indicates Middle life span. This pair has now become the 'Ayur Yoga Karaka' and must then be analyzed for any flaws in the longevity, and here Lagna itself is joined Saturn which could reduce the longevity an entire kakshya (shanau yogahetau kakShyaahraasaH||). However, in addition this Saturn must be afflicted by malefics also, otherwise he will only reduce nine years from the longevity. Here Saturn only recieves the rasi dristi from the Sun, who is not a malefic for longevity, and will not cause the reduction in lifespan by more than nine years. There is no bandhana yoga on the lagna or atmakarka causing no Kakshya hrasa, but a neecha graha in the seventh and joined hora lagna, whilst a neecha graha joins lagnesh can reduce the longevity two more rasi's, i.e. 18 more years. So in total we have a lifespan from 36-45 years, as 3x9 years have been reduced from the middle-life span of 72 years. Really this is not useful unless we can confirm with dasas. - Brahma Dasa - The Brahma in the chart is Mercury whilst Mars is Mahesvara. Dasas start from Pisces and move in reverse. Mars is in a watery sign, which should be the dasa at the time of death. 1. Pisces 1966 2. Aqua 1971 3. Capricorn 1971 4. Sagittarius 1975 5. Scorpio 1983 6. Libra 1986 7. Virgo 1996 8. Leo 1997 9. Cancer 2004 10. Gemini 2008 Rightly so, the dasa was that of Cancer, a watery sign at the time of death. - Shoola Dasa - Firstly, Rudra is Venus in this case and is placed in an earthy sign which can be the dasa at the time of death. Among the first and seventh houses, the seventh is stronger and dasas will initiate from there. 1. Virgo 1966 2. Libra 1975 3. Scorpio 1984 4. Sagittarius 1993 5. Capricorn 2002 6. Aquarius 2011 Notably the dasa of Capricorn was the cause of demise, which is an earthy sign. It also doesn't recieve the aspect of Jupiter or Atmakaraka to save it. Its also the third house from the arudha lagna which causes death. So the dasas do indeed highlight a fatal time, and he should have been warned about this time. Regarding the type of death, you had mentioned an accident; however, the dustha marana yoga is only appearing from the atmakaraka. Please tell us in more detail about the nature of the death. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of knirmala999 02 August 2006 09:15 [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death Respected Visti ji, Cousin of mine died in an accident a month back. Mercury is exalted in 7th house (marnakaraka sthana). 8 th lord venus is debilitated in 7 th house. Please let me know if there was an indication of short life in his chart. His birth details are as follows: Date of birth : 28-9-66 Time of birth : 6.30 pm Place of birth :Bellary (76 E 55'00", 15 N 09'00") Thanks Nirmala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear All, It is really sad that the person has died so young. Now we see that the demise was through an accident. Ketu in 8th House definitely reduces the life span by some time. Upon that Mars aspect the 8th House as well. 8th House lord is debilitated. Saturn is in 6th from 8th house. Ketus transit was over 7th house and mars was debilitated too. Dasha running was of 7th house lord. All these negatives looks towards the cause of the demise. Eminent astrologers Please revert Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Nirmala, Namaskar I’m sorry for your loss. Have comfort in that our loved ones never leave us, but have merely changed their form for another temporary experience. There are longevity indicators in the chart showing short life. Amit Puri has already written a nice mail clarifying the same. Krishnamurty Seetharama is not correct that the problem is related to the Moon alone, as then we are talking about balarishta yogas which end when the child reaches 8 years of age. He was 39 years old when the incident happened. Thus he was in Madhya Ayur, or occupying his middle life portion (commonly 36-72). When we analyze the three pairs we find that all three pairs are indicating different types of longevity, and hence as per Parasara’s advise we will use the pair indicated by Lagna and Hora Lagna, which indicates Middle life span. This pair has now become the ‘Ayur Yoga Karaka’ and must then be analyzed for any flaws in the longevity, and here Lagna itself is joined Saturn which could reduce the longevity an entire kakshya (shanau yogahetau kakShyaahraasaH||). However, in addition this Saturn must be afflicted by malefics also, otherwise he will only reduce nine years from the longevity. Here Saturn only recieves the rasi dristi from the Sun, who is not a malefic for longevity, and will not cause the reduction in lifespan by more than nine years. There is no bandhana yoga on the lagna or atmakarka causing no Kakshya hrasa, but a neecha graha in the seventh and joined hora lagna, whilst a neecha graha joins lagnesh can reduce the longevity two more rasi’s, i.e. 18 more years. So in total we have a lifespan from 36-45 years, as 3x9 years have been reduced from the middle-life span of 72 years. Really this is not useful unless we can confirm with dasas. - Brahma Dasa - The Brahma in the chart is Mercury whilst Mars is Mahesvara. Dasas start from Pisces and move in reverse. Mars is in a watery sign, which should be the dasa at the time of death. 1. Pisces 1966 2. Aqua 1971 3. Capricorn 1971 4. Sagittarius 1975 5. Scorpio 1983 6. Libra 1986 7. Virgo 1996 8. Leo 1997 9. Cancer 2004 10. Gemini 2008 Rightly so, the dasa was that of Cancer, a watery sign at the time of death. - Shoola Dasa - Firstly, Rudra is Venus in this case and is placed in an earthy sign which can be the dasa at the time of death. Among the first and seventh houses, the seventh is stronger and dasas will initiate from there. Virgo 1966 Libra 1975 Scorpio 1984 Sagittarius 1993 Capricorn 2002 Aquarius 2011 Notably the dasa of Capricorn was the cause of demise, which is an earthy sign. It also doesn’t recieve the aspect of Jupiter or Atmakaraka to save it. Its also the third house from the arudha lagna which causes death. So the dasas do indeed highlight a fatal time, and he should have been warned about this time. Regarding the type of death, you had mentioned an accident; however, the dustha marana yoga is only appearing from the atmakaraka. Please tell us in more detail about the nature of the death. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of knirmala999 02 August 2006 09:15 [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death Respected Visti ji, Cousin of mine died in an accident a month back. Mercury is exalted in 7th house (marnakaraka sthana). 8 th lord venus is debilitated in 7 th house. Please let me know if there was an indication of short life in his chart. His birth details are as follows: Date of birth : 28-9-66 Time of birth : 6.30 pm Place of birth :Bellary (76 E 55'00", 15 N 09'00") Thanks Nirmala. ACA Sumit Bajaj Consultant (Technical Analyst and Astrologer) "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence" Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Dear Vistiji, Namskar. What I have noticed about Moon being in dusthana is that it generally reduces one life-term for the native. In this case it reduced the term from purnayu to madhyayu. I have verified hundreds of charts for longevity and I have noticed that it is difficult find some one with purnayu having such a placement of Moon. Moon in 12th alone would have been fine. But, in this case, Moon (who is in dusthana in Rasi) aspects Lagna in navamsa. And, from my observation that is causing the problem. Regards, Krishna --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Nirmala, Namaskar > > I'm sorry for your loss. Have comfort in that our loved ones > never leave us, > but have merely changed their form for another temporary > experience. > > > > There are longevity indicators in the chart showing short > life. Amit Puri > has already written a nice mail clarifying the same. > Krishnamurty Seetharama > is not correct that the problem is related to the Moon alone, > as then we are > talking about balarishta yogas which end when the child > reaches 8 years of > age. > > > > He was 39 years old when the incident happened. Thus he was in > Madhya Ayur, > or occupying his middle life portion (commonly 36-72). > > When we analyze the three pairs we find that all three pairs > are indicating > different types of longevity, and hence as per Parasara's > advise we will use > the pair indicated by Lagna and Hora Lagna, which indicates > Middle life > span. > > > > This pair has now become the 'Ayur Yoga Karaka' and must then > be analyzed > for any flaws in the longevity, and here Lagna itself is > joined Saturn which > could reduce the longevity an entire kakshya (shanau yogahetau > kakShyaahraasaH||). > > However, in addition this Saturn must be afflicted by malefics > also, > otherwise he will only reduce nine years from the longevity. > Here Saturn > only recieves the rasi dristi from the Sun, who is not a > malefic for > longevity, and will not cause the reduction in lifespan by > more than nine > years. > > There is no bandhana yoga on the lagna or atmakarka causing no > Kakshya > hrasa, but a neecha graha in the seventh and joined hora > lagna, whilst a > neecha graha joins lagnesh can reduce the longevity two more > rasi's, i.e. 18 > more years. > > So in total we have a lifespan from 36-45 years, as 3x9 years > have been > reduced from the middle-life span of 72 years. > > > > Really this is not useful unless we can confirm with dasas. > > - Brahma Dasa - > > The Brahma in the chart is Mercury whilst Mars is Mahesvara. > Dasas start > from Pisces and move in reverse. Mars is in a watery sign, > which should be > the dasa at the time of death. > > 1. Pisces 1966 > > 2. Aqua 1971 > > 3. Capricorn 1971 > > 4. Sagittarius 1975 > > 5. Scorpio 1983 > > 6. Libra 1986 > > 7. Virgo 1996 > > 8. Leo 1997 > > 9. Cancer 2004 > > 10. Gemini 2008 > > > > Rightly so, the dasa was that of Cancer, a watery sign at the > time of death. > > > > - Shoola Dasa - > > Firstly, Rudra is Venus in this case and is placed in an > earthy sign which > can be the dasa at the time of death. > > Among the first and seventh houses, the seventh is stronger > and dasas will > initiate from there. > > 1. Virgo 1966 > 2. Libra 1975 > 3. Scorpio 1984 > 4. Sagittarius 1993 > 5. Capricorn 2002 > 6. Aquarius 2011 > > > > Notably the dasa of Capricorn was the cause of demise, which > is an earthy > sign. It also doesn't recieve the aspect of Jupiter or > Atmakaraka to save > it. Its also the third house from the arudha lagna which > causes death. > > > > So the dasas do indeed highlight a fatal time, and he should > have been > warned about this time. > > Regarding the type of death, you had mentioned an accident; > however, the > dustha marana yoga is only appearing from the atmakaraka. > Please tell us in > more detail about the nature of the death. > > > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of knirmala999 > 02 August 2006 09:15 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death > > > > Respected Visti ji, > > Cousin of mine died in an accident a month back. > Mercury is exalted in 7th house (marnakaraka sthana). > 8 th lord venus is debilitated in 7 th house. > Please let me know if there was an indication of short life in > his > chart. > His birth details are as follows: > Date of birth : 28-9-66 > Time of birth : 6.30 pm > Place of birth :Bellary (76 E 55'00", 15 N 09'00") > > Thanks > Nirmala. > > > > Dear Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Krishna, Namaskar I am mistaken and you are right. I just looked up Jaimini Sutram and there the sloka is: "ripuraugayoshchandre||" (ripu = 12, rauga = 32/12= remainder of 8) Translation: The moon in 12th or 8th also (cause a reduction in longevity). Comment: Jaimini continues that the Moon should not be placed in own or exaltation sign. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama 03 August 2006 10:00 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death Dear Vistiji, Namskar. What I have noticed about Moon being in dusthana is that it generally reduces one life-term for the native. In this case it reduced the term from purnayu to madhyayu. I have verified hundreds of charts for longevity and I have noticed that it is difficult find some one with purnayu having such a placement of Moon. Moon in 12th alone would have been fine. But, in this case, Moon (who is in dusthana in Rasi) aspects Lagna in navamsa. And, from my observation that is causing the problem. Regards, Krishna --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Nirmala, Namaskar > > I'm sorry for your loss. Have comfort in that our loved ones > never leave us, > but have merely changed their form for another temporary > experience. > > > > There are longevity indicators in the chart showing short > life. Amit Puri > has already written a nice mail clarifying the same. > Krishnamurty Seetharama > is not correct that the problem is related to the Moon alone, > as then we are > talking about balarishta yogas which end when the child > reaches 8 years of > age. > > > > He was 39 years old when the incident happened. Thus he was in > Madhya Ayur, > or occupying his middle life portion (commonly 36-72). > > When we analyze the three pairs we find that all three pairs > are indicating > different types of longevity, and hence as per Parasara's > advise we will use > the pair indicated by Lagna and Hora Lagna, which indicates > Middle life > span. > > > > This pair has now become the 'Ayur Yoga Karaka' and must then > be analyzed > for any flaws in the longevity, and here Lagna itself is > joined Saturn which > could reduce the longevity an entire kakshya (shanau yogahetau > kakShyaahraasaH||). > > However, in addition this Saturn must be afflicted by malefics > also, > otherwise he will only reduce nine years from the longevity. > Here Saturn > only recieves the rasi dristi from the Sun, who is not a > malefic for > longevity, and will not cause the reduction in lifespan by > more than nine > years. > > There is no bandhana yoga on the lagna or atmakarka causing no > Kakshya > hrasa, but a neecha graha in the seventh and joined hora > lagna, whilst a > neecha graha joins lagnesh can reduce the longevity two more > rasi's, i.e. 18 > more years. > > So in total we have a lifespan from 36-45 years, as 3x9 years > have been > reduced from the middle-life span of 72 years. > > > > Really this is not useful unless we can confirm with dasas. > > - Brahma Dasa - > > The Brahma in the chart is Mercury whilst Mars is Mahesvara. > Dasas start > from Pisces and move in reverse. Mars is in a watery sign, > which should be > the dasa at the time of death. > > 1. Pisces 1966 > > 2. Aqua 1971 > > 3. Capricorn 1971 > > 4. Sagittarius 1975 > > 5. Scorpio 1983 > > 6. Libra 1986 > > 7. Virgo 1996 > > 8. Leo 1997 > > 9. Cancer 2004 > > 10. Gemini 2008 > > > > Rightly so, the dasa was that of Cancer, a watery sign at the > time of death. > > > > - Shoola Dasa - > > Firstly, Rudra is Venus in this case and is placed in an > earthy sign which > can be the dasa at the time of death. > > Among the first and seventh houses, the seventh is stronger > and dasas will > initiate from there. > > 1. Virgo 1966 > 2. Libra 1975 > 3. Scorpio 1984 > 4. Sagittarius 1993 > 5. Capricorn 2002 > 6. Aquarius 2011 > > > > Notably the dasa of Capricorn was the cause of demise, which > is an earthy > sign. It also doesn't recieve the aspect of Jupiter or > Atmakaraka to save > it. Its also the third house from the arudha lagna which > causes death. > > > > So the dasas do indeed highlight a fatal time, and he should > have been > warned about this time. > > Regarding the type of death, you had mentioned an accident; > however, the > dustha marana yoga is only appearing from the atmakaraka. > Please tell us in > more detail about the nature of the death. > > > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of knirmala999 > 02 August 2006 09:15 > @ <%40> > [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death > > > > Respected Visti ji, > > Cousin of mine died in an accident a month back. > Mercury is exalted in 7th house (marnakaraka sthana). > 8 th lord venus is debilitated in 7 th house. > Please let me know if there was an indication of short life in > his > chart. > His birth details are as follows: > Date of birth : 28-9-66 > Time of birth : 6.30 pm > Place of birth :Bellary (76 E 55'00", 15 N 09'00") > > Thanks > Nirmala. > > > > Dear Regards, Krishna http://mail. <> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Dear Vistiji, Thanks for the clarification! However, I observe similar results when Moon is in the other dusthana (6th) as well. Does Jaimini say anything about it? Regards, Krishna --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Krishna, Namaskar > > I am mistaken and you are right. I just looked up Jaimini > Sutram and there > the sloka is: > > "ripuraugayoshchandre||" (ripu = 12, rauga = 32/12= remainder > of 8) > > > > Translation: The moon in 12th or 8th also (cause a reduction > in longevity). > > Comment: Jaimini continues that the Moon should not be placed > in own or > exaltation sign. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > 03 August 2006 10:00 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death > > > > Dear Vistiji, Namskar. > > What I have noticed about Moon being in dusthana is that it > generally reduces one life-term for the native. In this case > it > reduced the term from purnayu to madhyayu. I have verified > hundreds of charts for longevity and I have noticed that it is > difficult find some one with purnayu having such a placement > of > Moon. Moon in 12th alone would have been fine. But, in this > case, Moon (who is in dusthana in Rasi) aspects Lagna in > navamsa. And, from my observation that is causing the problem. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Nirmala, Namaskar > > > > I'm sorry for your loss. Have comfort in that our loved ones > > never leave us, > > but have merely changed their form for another temporary > > experience. > > > > > > > > There are longevity indicators in the chart showing short > > life. Amit Puri > > has already written a nice mail clarifying the same. > > Krishnamurty Seetharama > > is not correct that the problem is related to the Moon > alone, > > as then we are > > talking about balarishta yogas which end when the child > > reaches 8 years of > > age. > > > > > > > > He was 39 years old when the incident happened. Thus he was > in > > Madhya Ayur, > > or occupying his middle life portion (commonly 36-72). > > > > When we analyze the three pairs we find that all three pairs > > are indicating > > different types of longevity, and hence as per Parasara's > > advise we will use > > the pair indicated by Lagna and Hora Lagna, which indicates > > Middle life > > span. > > > > > > > > This pair has now become the 'Ayur Yoga Karaka' and must > then > > be analyzed > > for any flaws in the longevity, and here Lagna itself is > > joined Saturn which > > could reduce the longevity an entire kakshya (shanau > yogahetau > > kakShyaahraasaH||). > > > > However, in addition this Saturn must be afflicted by > malefics > > also, > > otherwise he will only reduce nine years from the longevity. > > Here Saturn > > only recieves the rasi dristi from the Sun, who is not a > > malefic for > > longevity, and will not cause the reduction in lifespan by > > more than nine > > years. > > > > There is no bandhana yoga on the lagna or atmakarka causing > no > > Kakshya > > hrasa, but a neecha graha in the seventh and joined hora > > lagna, whilst a > > neecha graha joins lagnesh can reduce the longevity two more > > rasi's, i.e. 18 > > more years. > > > > So in total we have a lifespan from 36-45 years, as 3x9 > years > > have been > > reduced from the middle-life span of 72 years. > > > > > > > > Really this is not useful unless we can confirm with dasas. > > > > - Brahma Dasa - > > > > The Brahma in the chart is Mercury whilst Mars is Mahesvara. > > Dasas start > > from Pisces and move in reverse. Mars is in a watery sign, > > which should be > > the dasa at the time of death. > > > > 1. Pisces 1966 > > > > 2. Aqua 1971 > > > > 3. Capricorn 1971 > > > > 4. Sagittarius 1975 > > > > 5. Scorpio 1983 > > > > 6. Libra 1986 > > > > 7. Virgo 1996 > > > > 8. Leo 1997 > > > > 9. Cancer 2004 > > > > 10. Gemini 2008 > > > > > > > > Rightly so, the dasa was that of Cancer, a watery sign at > the > > time of death. > > > > > > > > - Shoola Dasa - > > > > Firstly, Rudra is Venus in this case and is placed in an > > earthy sign which > > can be the dasa at the time of death. > > > > Among the first and seventh houses, the seventh is stronger > > and dasas will > > initiate from there. > > > > 1. Virgo 1966 > > 2. Libra 1975 > > 3. Scorpio 1984 > > 4. Sagittarius 1993 > > 5. Capricorn 2002 > > 6. Aquarius 2011 > > > > > > > > Notably the dasa of Capricorn was the cause of demise, which > > is an earthy > > sign. It also doesn't recieve the aspect of Jupiter or > > Atmakaraka to save > > it. Its also the third house from the arudha lagna which > > causes death. > === message truncated === Dear Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Krishna, Namaskar Nope he doesn't. Thats why i felt this was more applicable to balarishta. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama 03 August 2006 12:18 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death Dear Vistiji, Thanks for the clarification! However, I observe similar results when Moon is in the other dusthana (6th) as well. Does Jaimini say anything about it? Regards, Krishna --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Krishna, Namaskar > > I am mistaken and you are right. I just looked up Jaimini > Sutram and there > the sloka is: > > "ripuraugayoshchandre||" (ripu = 12, rauga = 32/12= remainder > of 8) > > > > Translation: The moon in 12th or 8th also (cause a reduction > in longevity). > > Comment: Jaimini continues that the Moon should not be placed > in own or > exaltation sign. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > 03 August 2006 10:00 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death > > > > Dear Vistiji, Namskar. > > What I have noticed about Moon being in dusthana is that it > generally reduces one life-term for the native. In this case > it > reduced the term from purnayu to madhyayu. I have verified > hundreds of charts for longevity and I have noticed that it is > difficult find some one with purnayu having such a placement > of > Moon. Moon in 12th alone would have been fine. But, in this > case, Moon (who is in dusthana in Rasi) aspects Lagna in > navamsa. And, from my observation that is causing the problem. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Nirmala, Namaskar > > > > I'm sorry for your loss. Have comfort in that our loved ones > > never leave us, > > but have merely changed their form for another temporary > > experience. > > > > > > > > There are longevity indicators in the chart showing short > > life. Amit Puri > > has already written a nice mail clarifying the same. > > Krishnamurty Seetharama > > is not correct that the problem is related to the Moon > alone, > > as then we are > > talking about balarishta yogas which end when the child > > reaches 8 years of > > age. > > > > > > > > He was 39 years old when the incident happened. Thus he was > in > > Madhya Ayur, > > or occupying his middle life portion (commonly 36-72). > > > > When we analyze the three pairs we find that all three pairs > > are indicating > > different types of longevity, and hence as per Parasara's > > advise we will use > > the pair indicated by Lagna and Hora Lagna, which indicates > > Middle life > > span. > > > > > > > > This pair has now become the 'Ayur Yoga Karaka' and must > then > > be analyzed > > for any flaws in the longevity, and here Lagna itself is > > joined Saturn which > > could reduce the longevity an entire kakshya (shanau > yogahetau > > kakShyaahraasaH||). > > > > However, in addition this Saturn must be afflicted by > malefics > > also, > > otherwise he will only reduce nine years from the longevity. > > Here Saturn > > only recieves the rasi dristi from the Sun, who is not a > > malefic for > > longevity, and will not cause the reduction in lifespan by > > more than nine > > years. > > > > There is no bandhana yoga on the lagna or atmakarka causing > no > > Kakshya > > hrasa, but a neecha graha in the seventh and joined hora > > lagna, whilst a > > neecha graha joins lagnesh can reduce the longevity two more > > rasi's, i.e. 18 > > more years. > > > > So in total we have a lifespan from 36-45 years, as 3x9 > years > > have been > > reduced from the middle-life span of 72 years. > > > > > > > > Really this is not useful unless we can confirm with dasas. > > > > - Brahma Dasa - > > > > The Brahma in the chart is Mercury whilst Mars is Mahesvara. > > Dasas start > > from Pisces and move in reverse. Mars is in a watery sign, > > which should be > > the dasa at the time of death. > > > > 1. Pisces 1966 > > > > 2. Aqua 1971 > > > > 3. Capricorn 1971 > > > > 4. Sagittarius 1975 > > > > 5. Scorpio 1983 > > > > 6. Libra 1986 > > > > 7. Virgo 1996 > > > > 8. Leo 1997 > > > > 9. Cancer 2004 > > > > 10. Gemini 2008 > > > > > > > > Rightly so, the dasa was that of Cancer, a watery sign at > the > > time of death. > > > > > > > > - Shoola Dasa - > > > > Firstly, Rudra is Venus in this case and is placed in an > > earthy sign which > > can be the dasa at the time of death. > > > > Among the first and seventh houses, the seventh is stronger > > and dasas will > > initiate from there. > > > > 1. Virgo 1966 > > 2. Libra 1975 > > 3. Scorpio 1984 > > 4. Sagittarius 1993 > > 5. Capricorn 2002 > > 6. Aquarius 2011 > > > > > > > > Notably the dasa of Capricorn was the cause of demise, which > > is an earthy > > sign. It also doesn't recieve the aspect of Jupiter or > > Atmakaraka to save > > it. Its also the third house from the arudha lagna which > > causes death. > === message truncated === Dear Regards, Krishna http://mail. <> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Respected Visti ji Thanks first of all for your detailed explanation. Nature of death - He died in a Road accident. He was riding pillion. There were no signs of any injuries. Most likely the cause of death was an internal head injury. He passed away on 23 June between 9 AM and 11 AM. 1. Does Saturn in Lagna and Ketu in 8th result in reduced longevity ? 2. Capricorn is receiving the aspect of Jupiter. Could you explain. 3. Normally there should have been malefics in the 3rd and/or 8th from AL to cause an unnatural death. But there are no planets here. Thanks Nirmala , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Krishna, Namaskar > > Nope he doesn't. Thats why i felt this was more applicable to balarishta. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > 03 August 2006 12:18 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > Thanks for the clarification! However, I observe similar results > when Moon is in the other dusthana (6th) as well. Does Jaimini > say anything about it? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Krishna, Namaskar > > > > I am mistaken and you are right. I just looked up Jaimini > > Sutram and there > > the sloka is: > > > > "ripuraugayoshchandre||" (ripu = 12, rauga = 32/12= remainder > > of 8) > > > > > > > > Translation: The moon in 12th or 8th also (cause a reduction > > in longevity). > > > > Comment: Jaimini continues that the Moon should not be placed > > in own or > > exaltation sign. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > 03 August 2006 10:00 > > @ <%40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, Namskar. > > > > What I have noticed about Moon being in dusthana is that it > > generally reduces one life-term for the native. In this case > > it > > reduced the term from purnayu to madhyayu. I have verified > > hundreds of charts for longevity and I have noticed that it is > > difficult find some one with purnayu having such a placement > > of > > Moon. Moon in 12th alone would have been fine. But, in this > > case, Moon (who is in dusthana in Rasi) aspects Lagna in > > navamsa. And, from my observation that is causing the problem. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Nirmala, Namaskar > > > > > > I'm sorry for your loss. Have comfort in that our loved ones > > > never leave us, > > > but have merely changed their form for another temporary > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are longevity indicators in the chart showing short > > > life. Amit Puri > > > has already written a nice mail clarifying the same. > > > Krishnamurty Seetharama > > > is not correct that the problem is related to the Moon > > alone, > > > as then we are > > > talking about balarishta yogas which end when the child > > > reaches 8 years of > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > He was 39 years old when the incident happened. Thus he was > > in > > > Madhya Ayur, > > > or occupying his middle life portion (commonly 36-72). > > > > > > When we analyze the three pairs we find that all three pairs > > > are indicating > > > different types of longevity, and hence as per Parasara's > > > advise we will use > > > the pair indicated by Lagna and Hora Lagna, which indicates > > > Middle life > > > span. > > > > > > > > > > > > This pair has now become the 'Ayur Yoga Karaka' and must > > then > > > be analyzed > > > for any flaws in the longevity, and here Lagna itself is > > > joined Saturn which > > > could reduce the longevity an entire kakshya (shanau > > yogahetau > > > kakShyaahraasaH||). > > > > > > However, in addition this Saturn must be afflicted by > > malefics > > > also, > > > otherwise he will only reduce nine years from the longevity. > > > Here Saturn > > > only recieves the rasi dristi from the Sun, who is not a > > > malefic for > > > longevity, and will not cause the reduction in lifespan by > > > more than nine > > > years. > > > > > > There is no bandhana yoga on the lagna or atmakarka causing > > no > > > Kakshya > > > hrasa, but a neecha graha in the seventh and joined hora > > > lagna, whilst a > > > neecha graha joins lagnesh can reduce the longevity two more > > > rasi's, i.e. 18 > > > more years. > > > > > > So in total we have a lifespan from 36-45 years, as 3x9 > > years > > > have been > > > reduced from the middle-life span of 72 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > Really this is not useful unless we can confirm with dasas. > > > > > > - Brahma Dasa - > > > > > > The Brahma in the chart is Mercury whilst Mars is Mahesvara. > > > Dasas start > > > from Pisces and move in reverse. Mars is in a watery sign, > > > which should be > > > the dasa at the time of death. > > > > > > 1. Pisces 1966 > > > > > > 2. Aqua 1971 > > > > > > 3. Capricorn 1971 > > > > > > 4. Sagittarius 1975 > > > > > > 5. Scorpio 1983 > > > > > > 6. Libra 1986 > > > > > > 7. Virgo 1996 > > > > > > 8. Leo 1997 > > > > > > 9. Cancer 2004 > > > > > > 10. Gemini 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > Rightly so, the dasa was that of Cancer, a watery sign at > > the > > > time of death. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Shoola Dasa - > > > > > > Firstly, Rudra is Venus in this case and is placed in an > > > earthy sign which > > > can be the dasa at the time of death. > > > > > > Among the first and seventh houses, the seventh is stronger > > > and dasas will > > > initiate from there. > > > > > > 1. Virgo 1966 > > > 2. Libra 1975 > > > 3. Scorpio 1984 > > > 4. Sagittarius 1993 > > > 5. Capricorn 2002 > > > 6. Aquarius 2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > Notably the dasa of Capricorn was the cause of demise, which > > > is an earthy > > > sign. It also doesn't recieve the aspect of Jupiter or > > > Atmakaraka to save > > > it. Its also the third house from the arudha lagna which > > > causes death. > > > === message truncated === > > Dear > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > http://mail. <> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Nirmalaji, In my opinion, the longevity was reduced due to Moon in 12th. 8th lord Sukra is in Virgo with Ravi aspected by Sani in Rasi Chart. The dispositor is Budha in the same house. Budha will try to protect his own house, specially when he is exalted there. As things change in Bhava chart in this case, death can be better explained using the bhava chart: In Sripathi Bhava Chart, 8th lord Sukra is in Leo aspected by Sani, Rahu and maraka Moon. The dispositor of Sukra (Ravi) is with Budha. The death occurred during Budha-Sani-Sukra-Rahu-Sukra period. That explains the timing. I guess the the death might have happened due to internal injuries in the stomach (Leo). Regards, Krishna --- knirmala999 <knirmala99 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Respected Visti ji > > Thanks first of all for your detailed explanation. > > Nature of death - He died in a Road accident. He was riding > pillion. > There were no signs of any injuries. Most likely the cause of > death > was an internal head injury. He passed away on 23 June between > 9 AM > and 11 AM. > > 1. Does Saturn in Lagna and Ketu in 8th result in reduced > longevity ? > 2. Capricorn is receiving the aspect of Jupiter. Could you > explain. > 3. Normally there should have been malefics in the 3rd and/or > 8th > from AL to cause an unnatural death. But there are no planets > here. > > Thanks > > Nirmala > > , "Visti Larsen" > <visti wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Krishna, Namaskar > > > > Nope he doesn't. Thats why i felt this was more applicable > to > balarishta. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > 03 August 2006 12:18 > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Thanks for the clarification! However, I observe similar > results > > when Moon is in the other dusthana (6th) as well. Does > Jaimini > > say anything about it? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> > com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Krishna, Namaskar > > > > > > I am mistaken and you are right. I just looked up Jaimini > > > Sutram and there > > > the sloka is: > > > > > > "ripuraugayoshchandre||" (ripu = 12, rauga = 32/12= > remainder > > > of 8) > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation: The moon in 12th or 8th also (cause a > reduction > > > in longevity). > > > > > > Comment: Jaimini continues that the Moon should not be > placed > > > in own or > > > exaltation sign. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ > <%40> > > > > > [@ > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > 03 August 2006 10:00 > > > @ <%40> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sudden death > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, Namskar. > > > > > > What I have noticed about Moon being in dusthana is that > it > > > generally reduces one life-term for the native. In this > case > > > it > > > reduced the term from purnayu to madhyayu. I have verified > > > hundreds of charts for longevity and I have noticed that > it is > > > difficult find some one with purnayu having such a > placement > > > of > > > Moon. Moon in 12th alone would have been fine. But, in > this > > > case, Moon (who is in dusthana in Rasi) aspects Lagna in > > > navamsa. And, from my observation that is causing the > problem. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Nirmala, Namaskar > > > > > > > > I'm sorry for your loss. Have comfort in that our loved > ones > > > > never leave us, > > > > but have merely changed their form for another temporary > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are longevity indicators in the chart showing > short > > > > life. Amit Puri > > > > has already written a nice mail clarifying the same. > > > > Krishnamurty Seetharama > > > > is not correct that the problem is related to the Moon > > > alone, > > > > as then we are > > > > talking about balarishta yogas which end when the child > > > > reaches 8 years of > > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was 39 years old when the incident happened. Thus he > was > > > in > > > > Madhya Ayur, > > > > or occupying his middle life portion (commonly 36-72). > > > > > > > > When we analyze the three pairs we find that all three > pairs > > > > are indicating > > > > different types of longevity, and hence as per > Parasara's > > > > advise we will use > > > > the pair indicated by Lagna and Hora Lagna, which > indicates > > > > Middle life > > > > span. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This pair has now become the 'Ayur Yoga Karaka' and must > > > then > === message truncated === Dear Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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