Jyotish Retreat and Possibility of Great Masters under one Roof

August 3, 2006

Namaskaar Sri Ramadas

The core of Nadi Astrology is with me as are his other books (other than a

few which were out of print). When I spoke to him over the phone, he had not

specified this condition. Infact, I am quite thankful to him for sharing his

knowledge through his books. I frequently try and incorporate his

ideas and teachings in my readings.

Infact, Sri C. S. Patel's book "Navamsa and Nadi Astrology" is another gem

which I am currently reading. I wish these masters can take classes at a

single place and teach all of us.

We can have a astrology retreat at our farms (converted into an ashram)

provided the masters agree to come and speak. 120 people can come and stay

there. There is no expense involved in using the farm and its rooms. The

desirous students can bear the cost of food and domestic air tickets of the

inviting the masters.I have humbly offered the same to Sri Sanjay Rathji

too. It will be wonderful to have all greats of astrology in one place at

the same time and living with us. I can organize spirtitual

lectures on Vedanta and Bhagavad Gita too during this

time, for a more comprehensive learning.

We have had countless spiritual retreats, meditation courses and camps at

this farmhouse. It is a lush green 13 acre place with no pollution (hard to

find in Delhi).

I request you and other members to think seriously about the same. I also

request the Jyotish Teachers to consider this offer.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 8/3/06, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> *OM SHRI RAGHAVEDNRAAYA NAMAH*

> *OM NAMO NARAYANAYA*

> Dear Lakshmi Ji,

> Thanks for your mail.There is already a big book by name " The core of

> Nadi Astrology " written by Shri R.G.Rao.But the only problem is that he

> gives that book only to his students.

> Anyhow I may be able to write any book only after I retire from my job

> which may be after 3 years.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> *B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh >* wrote:

>

> Om Gurave namah

>

> Namaste Ramdas Raoji,

>

> Thank you for endorsing my point of view and relating it

> convincingly to the chart you've shared with us. Let's keep the

> search on, and perhaps the Lord will bless us with the right

> insights, at the appropriate time.

>

> I really look forward to your analysis on the chart of Markandeya.

> That's going to be a real treat. Why don't you consider writing a

> book on nadi techniques? It would be very useful for novices like me.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, Ramadas Rao

> <ramadasrao wrote:

> >

> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH

> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> > Dear Lakshmi Ji,

> > I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with

> each other.So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that

> either Guru is in Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is

> in Poorvabadhra Pada Nakshatra ruled by Guru.

> > In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is

> the Karaka for brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with

> exalted Budha nad this Budha is being aspected by Rahu who is in

> Tula .This indicates that HIS brother who is very strong and

> courageous holding Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in Makara

> Rashi and is an Avatara of Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu

> aspecting exalted Budha.( Bala Rama )

> > Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read

> such difficult charts.I also have the chart of Markandeya which is

> given in Nadi book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.

> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > Om Gurave namah

> >

> > Namaste Ramdas Raoji,

> >

> > Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward.

> > This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of

> > stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I

> am

> > learning all the time:--))

> >

> > I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by

> > you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C.

> date.

> > I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the

> full

> > version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent

> me

> > the version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so

> > immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds

> of

> > CDs in the house…all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But I

> > guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by

> > now, isolated the probable dates.

> >

> > The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation

> > signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha

> > purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of

> planets

> > would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think He chose

> to

> > remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this

> > secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact

> > that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be

> > a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I mean,

> > Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of

> > philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of

> > both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara,

> > the ultimate Parivrajaka, so Saturn must influence his 4th

> > house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama,

> Buddha

> > and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, Ramadas Rao

> <ramadasrao@> wrote:

> > >

> > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH

> > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> > > Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,

> > > May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's

> > horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by

> the

> > Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in

> Udipi.The

> > Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri

> Krishna.Here

> > again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or

> anybody

> > who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:

> > > SWASTI SHRI MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA PRAVARTAMAANASYA

> > BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE

> > VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA

> > DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900 NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI

> > SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100

> > EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA

> > DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI

> > TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA

> KARANA

> > 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA

> > MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455 ,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE

> PUNYODAYA

> > VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI

> > MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI

> > VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA

> > SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI

> > KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.

> > > The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with Chandra,Surya in

> > Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in

> > Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.

> > > As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching

> > for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can

> > decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart

> > mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct.

> > > Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the native as

> > he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord

> > Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to

> > Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu

> in

> > Mesha aspecting its previous house as he is retrograding indicates

> > HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed between 2 malefics Ketu and

> > Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru

> > indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction

> whereas

> > Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also

> > Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense

> > powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in

> > connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada

> > Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya

> > Karaka Rahu indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives

> are

> > following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because

> of

> > > Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma

> > Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great

> > Philosopher also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and

> Bhakti

> > Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still studying

> > only to uncover such secrets.

> > > In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into

> > consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.

> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

> > > Ramadas Rao.

> > >

> > > Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the

> > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha

> mostly

> > it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where

> I

> > could find description of Lord Krishna's chart.

> > >

> > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more

> > details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions,

> Mostly

> > the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh@ >

> > wrote: Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Prabhakara,

> > >

> > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?

> > > Is the navamsa chart available?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, "Sanjay

> Prabhakaran"

> > >

> > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,

> > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti

> > > Chapter of

> > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart

> > are

> > > in the

> > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,

> > > >

> > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-

> jayanti.html

> > > >

> > > > Panchanga at Birth is

> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada

> > > > Karana: Kaulava

> > > > Yoga: Harshana

> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)

> > > > Vaara : Wednesday

> > > >

> > > > Taurus Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > >

> > > > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Vishnave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in

> > my

> > > book *The

> > > > > Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add

> > it

> > > at the end

> > > > > of my last post):

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Krsna

> > > > > Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time:

> > > 23:42:35 Time

> > > > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27

> > > N 25' 00"

> > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> > > > >

> > > > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Robert

> > > > >

> > > > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Vishnave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste ~

> > > > >

> > > > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and

> thus

> > > the delay

> > > > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind

> > > words

> > > > > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish

> > > scholars such as

> > > > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your

> positive

> > > feedback is

> > > > > most encouraging.

> > > > >

> > > > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the

> chart

> > of

> > > Lord Sri

> > > > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you

> as

> > > follows:

> > > > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most

> or

> > > less symbolic

> > > > > of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans

> are,

> > > although

> > > > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented

> and

> > > can also be

> > > > > correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But

> for

> > > the most

> > > > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and

> > strengths,

> > > and other

> > > > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for

> > > example, tell us

> > > > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother

> > the

> > > entire

> > > > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said,

> the

> > > study of

> > > > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in

> mind

> > > (1) the

> > > > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in

> > Vedic

> > > > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of

> > > guidelines given in

> > > > > classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga,

> BPHS,

> > > etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which

> > some

> > > > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given.

> In

> > > that text,

> > > > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in

> > the

> > > 9th house

> > > > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa

> > they

> > > occupy is

> > > > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and

> that

> > > they be in

> > > > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength,

> should

> > > occupy the

> > > > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of

> my

> > > book, and my

> > > > > conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay

> > Rath.

> > > > >

> > > > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for

> the

> > > chart I use

> > > > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like

> to

> > > follow along

> > > > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only

> > with

> > > the JHora

> > > > > software, as other software will given different and

> erroneous

> > > results]: In

> > > > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the

> 9th

> > > house, which

> > > > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the

> > > lagna; in

> > > > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while

> Jupiter

> > > occupies the

> > > > > 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches

> > > the 9th house

> > > > > by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the

> > avatara

> > > of Sri

> > > > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated

> > in

> > > the 9th

> > > > > house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of

> > such

> > > avataras is

> > > > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear

> > > toward the end

> > > > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time

> > at

> > > which Sri

> > > > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga.

> > > *Jupiter's

> > > > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but

> the

> > > fact that his

> > > > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to

> > > become very

> > > > > compromised.

> > > > >

> > > > > *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa

> chart

> > > of Sri

> > > > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only

> > > satisfies part of

> > > > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given

> above,

> > > but

> > > > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the

> > > dangerous age of

> > > > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic

> > > effects of

> > > > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to

> > > reign in

> > > > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its

> occurrence,

> > > the avatara

> > > > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th

> house,

> > > as found in

> > > > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any

> > > commentary, as

> > > > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in

> > > classics for the

> > > > > D-60 in charts of avataras.

> > > > >

> > > > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to

> > > correlate events

> > > > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of

> > such

> > > study is to

> > > > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of

> > > appearance as per

> > > > > classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply

> verbatim

> > > the

> > > > > principles given and study them in the identical ways that

> we

> > > would to study

> > > > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child

> > > Krsna lift an

> > > > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when

> > He

> > > had Mars in

> > > > > debilitation in his rasi chart?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and

> > points

> > > of view.

> > > > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on

> this

> > > subject. I

> > > > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC

> conference

> > in

> > > California,

> > > > > but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > Robert

> > > > >

> > > > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Robert ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book.

> > It

> > > was

> > > > > a great pleasure reading it.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri

> > > Krishna.

> > > > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is

> > > debilitated

> > > > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the

> purpose

> > of

> > > > > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the

> > > > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be

> a

> > > more

> > > > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga),

> > > because

> > > > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be

> the

> > > cause

> > > > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi

> > > > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the cardinal

> > vayu

> > > > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately

> > > connected to

> > > > > Saturn.

> > > > >

> > > > > >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength

> of

> > > the

> > > > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the

> > > karmic

> > > > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in

> > the

> > > > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we

> > accrued

> > > in

> > > > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-

> > > riding

> > > > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's

> > navamsa

> > > > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa

> chart

> > > given

> > > > > by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in

> navamsa,

> > > > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th houseâ€¦and I personally

> > think

> > > > > that's a more appropriate positionâ€¦.with minor

> modifications.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is

> > > > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's

> > > chart. In

> > > > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as

> in

> > > Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts

> of

> > > > > avadhutas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Requesting your inputs on the above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > ! om tat sat !

> > > > > Footnotes:

> > > > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God

> > > Surya shares

> > > > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and without

> > > emotions. Let us

> > > > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of

> all

> > > creatures.

> > > > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste

> > of

> > > energy.

> > > > > Use the energy given by Surya well.

> > > > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than

> > Surya

> > > Himself

> > > > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.

> > > > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do

> > not

> > > represent

> > > > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.

> > > > >

August 4, 2006

Dear Gaurav,

This is NOT a SJC conference. It is something Anuj is organizing in his personal capacity, which of course he or anyone else is most welcome to do.

Best regards,

Sarbani

_____

sohamsa [sohamsa] On Behalf Of yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:48 AM

sohamsa

Re: Jyotish Retreat and Possibility of Great Masters under one Roof

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Namaste Bharat Bhayia et all,

I think your proposal is an excellent idea. I come forward to commit my share of financial & physical help in contributing to this event if and as it happens.

SJC and all its members and gurus have given me incomparable knowledge and solace and this would be just one opportunity for me to contribute a drop.

Namaste;

Gaurav Jain

In a message dated 8/3/2006 2:18:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, hinduastrology writes:

Namaskaar Sri Ramadas

The core of Nadi Astrology is with me as are his other books (other than a few which were out of print). When I spoke to him over the phone, he had not specified this condition. Infact, I am quite thankful to him for sharing his knowledge through his books. I frequently try and incorporate his ideas and teachings in my readings.

Infact, Sri C. S. Patel's book "Navamsa and Nadi Astrology" is another gem which I am currently reading. I wish these masters can take classes at a single place and teach all of us.

We can have a astrology retreat at our farms (converted into an ashram) provided the masters agree to come and speak. 120 people can come and stay there. There is no expense involved in using the farm and its rooms. The desirous students can bear the cost of food and domestic air tickets of the inviting the masters.I have humbly offered the same to Sri Sanjay Rathji too. It will be wonderful to have all greats of astrology in one place at the same time and living with us. I can organize spirtitual lectures on Vedanta and Bhagavad Gita too during this time, for a more comprehensive learning.

We have had countless spiritual retreats, meditation courses and camps at this farmhouse. It is a lush green 13 acre place with no pollution (hard to find in Delhi).

I request you and other members to think seriously about the same. I also request the Jyotish Teachers to consider this offer.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 8/3/06, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> co.in> wrote:

OM SHRI RAGHAVEDNRAAYA NAMAH

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Dear Lakshmi Ji,

Thanks for your mail.There is already a big book by name " The core of Nadi Astrology " written by Shri R.G.Rao.But the only problem is that he gives that book only to his students.

Anyhow I may be able to write any book only after I retire from my job which may be after 3 years.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh@ <http:///> > wrote:

Om Gurave namah

Namaste Ramdas Raoji,

Thank you for endorsing my point of view and relating it

convincingly to the chart you've shared with us. Let's keep the

search on, and perhaps the Lord will bless us with the right

insights, at the appropriate time.

I really look forward to your analysis on the chart of Markandeya.

That's going to be a real treat. Why don't you consider writing a

book on nadi techniques? It would be very useful for novices like me.

Regards,

Lakshmi

sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:

>

> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH

> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> Dear Lakshmi Ji,

> I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with

each other..So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that

either Guru is in Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is

in Poorvabadhra Pada Nakshatra ruled by Guru.

> In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is

the Karaka for brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with

exalted Budha nad this Budha is being aspected by Rahu who is in

Tula .This indicates that HIS brother who is very strong and

courageous holding Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in Makara

Rashi and is an Avatara of Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu

aspecting exalted Budha.( Bala Rama )

> Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read

such difficult charts.I also have the chart of Markandeya which is

given in Nadi book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> Om Gurave namah

>

> Namaste Ramdas Raoji,

>

> Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward.

> This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of

> stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I

am

> learning all the time:--))

>

> I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by

> you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C.

date.

> I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the

full

> version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent

me

> the version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so

> immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds

of

> CDs in the houseâ€¦all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But I

> guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by

> now, isolated the probable dates.

>

> The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation

> signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha

> purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of

planets

> would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think He chose

to

> remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this

> secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact

> that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be

> a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I mean,

> Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of

> philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of

> both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara,

> the ultimate Parivrajaka, so Saturn must influence his 4th

> house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama,

Buddha

> and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@> wrote:

> >

> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH

> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> > Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,

> > May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's

> horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by

the

> Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in

Udipi.The

> Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri

Krishna.Here

> again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or

anybody

> who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:

> > SWASTI SHRI MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA PRAVARTAMAANASYA

> BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE

> VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA

> DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900 NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI

> SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100

> EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA

> DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI

> TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA

KARANA

> 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA

> MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455 ,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE

PUNYODAYA

> VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI

> MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI

> VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA

> SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI

> KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.

> > The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with Chandra,Surya in

> Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in

> Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.

> > As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching

> for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can

> decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart

> mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct..

> > Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the native as

> he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord

> Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to

> Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu

in

> Mesha aspecting its previous house as he is retrograding indicates

> HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed between 2 malefics Ketu and

> Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru

> indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction

whereas

> Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also

> Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense

> powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in

> connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada

> Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya

> Karaka Rahu indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives

are

> following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because

of

> > Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma

> Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great

> Philosopher also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and

Bhakti

> Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still studying

> only to uncover such secrets.

> > In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into

> consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.

> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> >

> > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the

> Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha

mostly

> it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where

I

> could find description of Lord Krishna's chart.

> >

> > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more

> details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions,

Mostly

> the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh@ >

> wrote: Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Prabhakara,

> >

> > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?

> > Is the navamsa chart available?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com, "Sanjay Prabhakaran"

> >

> > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,

> > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti

> > Chapter of

> > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart

> are

> > in the

> > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,

> > >

> > > http://sanjayprabha <http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-> karan.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-

jayanti.html

> > >

> > > Panchanga at Birth is

> > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada

> > > Karana: Kaulava

> > > Yoga: Harshana

> > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)

> > > Vaara : Wednesday

> > >

> > > Taurus Lagna.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> >

> > > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Vishnave Namah

> > > >

> > > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in

> my

> > book *The

> > > > Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add

> it

> > at the end

> > > > of my last post):

> > > >

> > > > Sri Krsna

> > > > Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time:

> > 23:42:35 Time

> > > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27

> > N 25' 00"

> > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> > > >

> > > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Robert

> > > >

> > > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Vishnave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste ~

> > > >

> > > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and

thus

> > the delay

> > > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind

> > words

> > > > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish

> > scholars such as

> > > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your

positive

> > feedback is

> > > > most encouraging.

> > > >

> > > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the

chart

> of

> > Lord Sri

> > > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you

as

> > follows:

> > > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most

or

> > less symbolic

> > > > of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans

are,

> > although

> > > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented

and

> > can also be

> > > > correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But

for

> > the most

> > > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and

> strengths,

> > and other

> > > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for

> > example, tell us

> > > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother

> the

> > entire

> > > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said,

the

> > study of

> > > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in

mind

> > (1) the

> > > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in

> Vedic

> > > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of

> > guidelines given in

> > > > classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga,

BPHS,

> > etc.

> > > >

> > > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which

> some

> > > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given.

In

> > that text,

> > > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in

> the

> > 9th house

> > > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa

> they

> > occupy is

> > > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and

that

> > they be in

> > > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength,

should

> > occupy the

> > > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of

my

> > book, and my

> > > > conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay

> Rath.

> > > >

> > > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for

the

> > chart I use

> > > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like

to

> > follow along

> > > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only

> with

> > the JHora

> > > > software, as other software will given different and

erroneous

> > results]: In

> > > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the

9th

> > house, which

> > > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the

> > lagna; in

> > > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while

Jupiter

> > occupies the

> > > > 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches

> > the 9th house

> > > > by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the

> avatara

> > of Sri

> > > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated

> in

> > the 9th

> > > > house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of

> such

> > avataras is

> > > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear

> > toward the end

> > > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time

> at

> > which Sri

> > > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga.

> > *Jupiter's

> > > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but

the

> > fact that his

> > > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to

> > become very

> > > > compromised.

> > > >

> > > > *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa

chart

> > of Sri

> > > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only

> > satisfies part of

> > > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given

above,

> > but

> > > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the

> > dangerous age of

> > > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic

> > effects of

> > > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to

> > reign in

> > > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its

occurrence,

> > the avatara

> > > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th

house,

> > as found in

> > > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.

> > > >

> > > > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any

> > commentary, as

> > > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in

> > classics for the

> > > > D-60 in charts of avataras.

> > > >

> > > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to

> > correlate events

> > > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of

> such

> > study is to

> > > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of

> > appearance as per

> > > > classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply

verbatim

> > the

> > > > principles given and study them in the identical ways that

we

> > would to study

> > > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child

> > Krsna lift an

> > > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when

> He

> > had Mars in

> > > > debilitation in his rasi chart?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and

> points

> > of view.

> > > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on

this

> > subject. I

> > > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC

conference

> in

> > California,

> > > > but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > Robert

> > > >

> > > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Robert ji,

> > > >

> > > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book.

> It

> > was

> > > > a great pleasure reading it.

> > > >

> > > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri

> > Krishna.

> > > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is

> > debilitated

> > > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the

purpose

> of

> > > > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the

> > > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be

a

> > more

> > > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga),

> > because

> > > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be

the

> > cause

> > > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi

> > > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the cardinal

> vayu

> > > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately

> > connected to

> > > > Saturn.

> > > >

> > > > >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength

of

> > the

> > > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the

> > karmic

> > > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in

> the

> > > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we

> accrued

> > in

> > > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-

> > riding

> > > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.

> > > >

> > > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's

> navamsa

> > > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa

chart

> > given

> > > > by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in

navamsa,

> > > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th houseÃ¢â‚¬Â¦and I personally

> think

> > > > that's a more appropriate positionÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.with minor

modifications.

> > > >

> > > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is

> > > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's

> > chart. In

> > > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as

in

> > Swami

> > > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts

of

> > > > avadhutas.

> > > >

> > > > Requesting your inputs on the above.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> >

> > > > ! om tat sat !

> > > > Footnotes:

> > > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God

> > Surya shares

> > > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and without

> > emotions. Let us

> > > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of

all

> > creatures.

> > > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste

> of

> > energy.

> > > > Use the energy given by Surya well.

> > > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than

> Surya

> > Himself

> > > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.

> > > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do

> not

> > represent

> > > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.

> > > >

August 4, 2006

Namaskaar Sarbaniji

This can be anybody's Jyotish retreat. I care for teaching in a congenial

environment. This is not something I am organizing. I want support of all

masters and their students. It is an idea that I have floated such that

everyone can come forward and do something.

For this I offer our farmhouse facilities free of cost. You are aware that I

offered Sri Sanjay Rathji the same for an SJC conference next year. Perhaps

we can visit the farm and see what it is all about.

We can also propose a SJC+Nadi Jyotish Masters Retreat. Many things can be

worked out if we are first able to accept this idea.

If you want I can come down and speak to Sanjayji directly.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 8/4/06, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

>

> Dear Gaurav,

>

> This is NOT a SJC conference. It is something Anuj is organizing in his

> personal capacity, which of course he or anyone else is most welcome to do.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40> [

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>] On Behalf Of

> yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com <yobrevol%40aol.com>

> Friday, August 04, 2006 7:48 AM

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> Re: Jyotish Retreat and Possibility of Great Masters

> under one Roof

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Namaste Bharat Bhayia et all,

>

> I think your proposal is an excellent idea. I come forward to commit my

> share of financial & physical help in contributing to this event if and as

> it happens.

> SJC and all its members and gurus have given me incomparable knowledge and

> solace and this would be just one opportunity for me to contribute a drop..

>

> Namaste;

> Gaurav Jain

>

> In a message dated 8/3/2006 2:18:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> hinduastrology <hinduastrology%40gmail.com> writes:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Ramadas

>

> The core of Nadi Astrology is with me as are his other books (other than a

> few which were out of print). When I spoke to him over the phone, he had not

> specified this condition. Infact, I am quite thankful to him for sharing his

> knowledge through his books. I frequently try and incorporate his ideas and

> teachings in my readings.

>

> Infact, Sri C. S. Patel's book "Navamsa and Nadi Astrology" is another gem

> which I am currently reading. I wish these masters can take classes at a

> single place and teach all of us.

>

> We can have a astrology retreat at our farms (converted into an ashram)

> provided the masters agree to come and speak. 120 people can come and stay

> there. There is no expense involved in using the farm and its rooms. The

> desirous students can bear the cost of food and domestic air tickets of the

> inviting the masters.I have humbly offered the same to Sri Sanjay Rathji

> too. It will be wonderful to have all greats of astrology in one place at

> the same time and living with us. I can organize spirtitual lectures on

> Vedanta and Bhagavad Gita too during this time, for a more comprehensive

> learning.

>

> We have had countless spiritual retreats, meditation courses and camps at

> this farmhouse. It is a lush green 13 acre place with no pollution (hard to

> find in Delhi).

>

> I request you and other members to think seriously about the same. I also

> request the Jyotish Teachers to consider this offer.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 8/3/06, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in<ramadasrao%40.co.in>>

> co.in> wrote:

>

> OM SHRI RAGHAVEDNRAAYA NAMAH

>

> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> Dear Lakshmi Ji,

> Thanks for your mail.There is already a big book by name " The core of

> Nadi Astrology " written by Shri R.G.Rao.But the only problem is that he

> gives that book only to his students.

> Anyhow I may be able to write any book only after I retire from my job

> which may be after 3 years.

>

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh@ <http:///> > wrote:

>

> Om Gurave namah

>

> Namaste Ramdas Raoji,

>

> Thank you for endorsing my point of view and relating it

> convincingly to the chart you've shared with us. Let's keep the

> search on, and perhaps the Lord will bless us with the right

> insights, at the appropriate time.

>

> I really look forward to your analysis on the chart of Markandeya.

> That's going to be a real treat. Why don't you consider writing a

> book on nadi techniques? It would be very useful for novices like me.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa@ <sohamsa% <sohamsa%25>40>

> .com , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:

> >

> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH

> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> > Dear Lakshmi Ji,

> > I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with

> each other..So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that