Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 34e47. Should I become a jyotishi? Will the government find my adoption papers? What were my biological parents like? What did they do? My religious nature? The truth about my adoptive parents? When will I meet my biological parents? Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? Thank you! Trying to understand my life. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible birth date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real happy. Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets are soothing to the soul in the same way............ Any way please forget it. God bless , Bhaskar. , "rebbeasher" <rebbeasher wrote: > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 34e47. > > Should I become a jyotishi? > Will the government find my adoption papers? > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > My religious nature? > The truth about my adoptive parents? > When will I meet my biological parents? > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Since you have given two free hours of your valuable time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you though I was not the person you were trying to help. Everything takes time and I often wonder if some of the problems people have are the result of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied that they forget to offer even the simplest thank you when someone takes their interests at heart. In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin of the realm. And for those who want their entire existence explained to them through their chart (!), the astrologer should be compensated according to what he or she needs, and that usually means being hired professionally for the hours involved. Most people do not understand that what appears to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, required *years* of study leading up to it, and the astrologer should not be expected or demanded to give their time away when they have the same bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do free readings as a way of honing their skills or not getting hung-up on the material side of things only, but their survival depends upon being hired for their talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it is also a trade and a service and "every servant is worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of course. So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours come through some other means of abundance. Haizen Paige , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible birth > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real happy. > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets are > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > Any way please forget it. > God bless , > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" <rebbeasher@> > wrote: > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 34e47. > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > My religious nature? > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. Thank you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Haizen, Tell me candidly, dear friend. You have teenagers or have seen teenagers grow in front of your eyes at some time or another -- or perhaps you are one of the rare ones who remember their own teenage years vividly! Having survived the storm brings such a calm and stolidity later on! It must be experienced to be believed and appreciated ;-) I have seen that the stormiest teenagers -- as long as they did not keep rolling downhill, end up being the most caring and nurturing parents. Sadly, these represent a small fraction overall, but give meaning to the adage: What did not (could not?) kill you can only make you stronger! Sorry -- I am babbling ... RR , "haizen" <haizen wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > though I was not the person you were trying to > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > if some of the problems people have are the result > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > the astrologer should be compensated according > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > Most people do not understand that what appears > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > to give their time away when they have the same > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > course. > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > come through some other means of abundance. > > Haizen Paige > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible birth > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real happy. > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets are > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > Any way please forget it. > > God bless , > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" <rebbeasher@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 34e47. > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > My religious nature? > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. Thank you. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear RR, , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Haizen, > > Tell me candidly, dear friend. You have teenagers or have seen > teenagers grow in front of your eyes at some time or another -- or > perhaps you are one of the rare ones who remember their own teenage > years vividly! Yes, I recall those years vividly. I notice that the welfare of children or teenagers has been very much on your mind lately. Makes one stop and think about one's early years or what teenagers are going through now. As for myself, I'm glad I went through years quite awhile ago rather than having to deal with the complications of the contemporary digital society. What kids are exposed today is unbelievable, and I can only hope they are able to take it in stride. > Having survived the storm brings such a calm and stolidity later on! > It must be experienced to be believed and appreciated ;-) I would agree with you, though I didn't know what it meant to "weather a storm" at the time. That came years later when I finally reframed "problems" as "challenges. Then I had the means of measuring my performance in life and my understanding, if you know what I mean, and realize how many storms I'd survived. In astrological terms, I view that as the basic function of the 6th house. An important house! (The lesson of the 8th is that of sorrow and suffering, and of the 12th, that one must learn to let go, and all things end. Personal opinion here.) > I have seen that the stormiest teenagers -- as long as they did not > keep rolling downhill, end up being the most caring and nurturing > parents. Great observation. > Sadly, these represent a small fraction overall, but give > meaning to the adage: What did not (could not?) kill you can only > make you stronger! Oh yes. > Sorry -- I am babbling ... > > RR Haizen > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > to give their time away when they have the same > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > course. > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible > birth > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real > happy. > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets > are > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > Any way please forget it. > > > God bless , > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > <rebbeasher@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 > 34e47. > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > My religious nature? > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Haizen, You are right! Teenage has been of concern to me always -- my own was rather peaceful and organized (I experienced teenage in the sixties and seventies -- in India ;-) But all these news and sounds from those others with pluto and neptune and herschel in the same sign was reaching us, believe me! I heard about those much later (paradigm shift by oh say half-a- world! Physically, mentally but not spiritually!). They say -- *travelling* enhances one's experience many folds! They are absolutely correct. After all the ninth house is about *advanced education*, right?? RR , "haizen" <haizen wrote: > > Dear RR, > > , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > Tell me candidly, dear friend. You have teenagers or have seen > > teenagers grow in front of your eyes at some time or another -- or > > perhaps you are one of the rare ones who remember their own teenage > > years vividly! > > Yes, I recall those years vividly. I notice that the welfare of children or > teenagers has been very much on your mind lately. Makes one stop > and think about one's early years or what teenagers are going through > now. As for myself, I'm glad I went through years quite awhile ago rather > than having to deal with the complications of the contemporary digital > society. What kids are exposed today is unbelievable, and I can only > hope they are able to take it in stride. > > > Having survived the storm brings such a calm and stolidity later on! > > It must be experienced to be believed and appreciated ;-) > > I would agree with you, though I didn't know what it meant to "weather > a storm" at the time. That came years later when I finally reframed > "problems" as "challenges. Then I had the means of measuring my > performance in life and my understanding, if you know what I mean, > and realize how many storms I'd survived. In astrological terms, > I view that as the basic function of the 6th house. An important house! > (The lesson of the 8th is that of sorrow and suffering, and of the 12th, > that one must learn to let go, and all things end. Personal opinion here.) > > > I have seen that the stormiest teenagers -- as long as they did not > > keep rolling downhill, end up being the most caring and nurturing > > parents. > > Great observation. > > > Sadly, these represent a small fraction overall, but give > > meaning to the adage: What did not (could not?) kill you can only > > make you stronger! > > Oh yes. > > > Sorry -- I am babbling ... > > > > RR > > Haizen > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > course. > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible > > birth > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real > > happy. > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets > > are > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > God bless , > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear RR, , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Haizen, > > You are right! Teenage has been of concern to me always -- my own was > rather peaceful and organized (I experienced teenage in the sixties > and seventies -- in India ;-) I was wondering about that. > But all these news and sounds from those others with pluto and > neptune and herschel in the same sign was reaching us, believe me! Yes, and there's no place to run, lol. > I heard about those much later (paradigm shift by oh say half-a- > world! Physically, mentally but not spiritually!). I'm reminded of an old play on words: "Brother, can you paradigm!" > They say -- *travelling* enhances one's experience many folds! They > are absolutely correct. After all the ninth house is about *advanced > education*, right?? You bet. Somestimes it's so advanced, you can end up ahead of your current lifetime, lol. > RR hp > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > > > Tell me candidly, dear friend. You have teenagers or have seen > > > teenagers grow in front of your eyes at some time or another -- > or > > > perhaps you are one of the rare ones who remember their own > teenage > > > years vividly! > > > > Yes, I recall those years vividly. I notice that the welfare of > children or > > teenagers has been very much on your mind lately. Makes one stop > > and think about one's early years or what teenagers are going > through > > now. As for myself, I'm glad I went through years quite awhile ago > rather > > than having to deal with the complications of the contemporary > digital > > society. What kids are exposed today is unbelievable, and I can only > > hope they are able to take it in stride. > > > > > Having survived the storm brings such a calm and stolidity later > on! > > > It must be experienced to be believed and appreciated ;-) > > > > I would agree with you, though I didn't know what it meant > to "weather > > a storm" at the time. That came years later when I finally reframed > > "problems" as "challenges. Then I had the means of measuring my > > performance in life and my understanding, if you know what I mean, > > and realize how many storms I'd survived. In astrological terms, > > I view that as the basic function of the 6th house. An important > house! > > (The lesson of the 8th is that of sorrow and suffering, and of the > 12th, > > that one must learn to let go, and all things end. Personal opinion > here.) > > > > > I have seen that the stormiest teenagers -- as long as they did > not > > > keep rolling downhill, end up being the most caring and nurturing > > > parents. > > > > Great observation. > > > > > Sadly, these represent a small fraction overall, but give > > > meaning to the adage: What did not (could not?) kill you can only > > > make you stronger! > > > > Oh yes. > > > > > Sorry -- I am babbling ... > > > > > > RR > > > > Haizen > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > > course. > > > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your > possible > > > birth > > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me > real > > > happy. > > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he > gets > > > are > > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > > God bless , > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 > 32n06 > > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Haizen, You are generous. At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on other platforms, and should not expect anything in return ,when doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the demand for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for acknowledgement of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not supposed to ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person comes asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and search for some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves after taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to another flat,then You feel... Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please can any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less demanding. Haizen thanks for understanding. Regards/Bhaskar. , "haizen" <haizen wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > though I was not the person you were trying to > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > if some of the problems people have are the result > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > the astrologer should be compensated according > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > Most people do not understand that what appears > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > to give their time away when they have the same > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > course. > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > come through some other means of abundance. > > Haizen Paige > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible birth > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real happy. > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets are > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > Any way please forget it. > > God bless , > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" <rebbeasher@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 34e47. > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > My religious nature? > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. Thank you. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, You're a good man. Warm regards, Haizen , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Haizen, > > You are generous. > At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on > other platforms, and should not expect anything in return ,when > doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego > overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the demand > for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for acknowledgement > of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not supposed to > ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person comes > asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and search for > some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves after > taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to another > flat,then You feel... > Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, > instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please can > any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, > what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > demanding. > > Haizen thanks for understanding. > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > to give their time away when they have the same > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > course. > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible > birth > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real > happy. > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets > are > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > Any way please forget it. > > > God bless , > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > <rebbeasher@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 > 34e47. > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > My religious nature? > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Haizen , You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my family tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again demanding) regards/Bhaskar. -- In , "haizen" <haizen wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > You're a good man. > > Warm regards, Haizen > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > You are generous. > > At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on > > other platforms, and should not expect anything in return ,when > > doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego > > overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the demand > > for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for acknowledgement > > of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not supposed to > > ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > > If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person comes > > asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and search for > > some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves after > > taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to another > > flat,then You feel... > > Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, > > instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please can > > any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, > > what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > > demanding. > > > > Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > course. > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible > > birth > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real > > happy. > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets > > are > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > God bless , > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Bhakar, I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they don't, I had the pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A prophet being without honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families too. In the meantime, it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic record. ;-) Sincerely, Haizen , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Haizen , > You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my family > tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > demanding) > > regards/Bhaskar. > > -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > You're a good man. > > > > Warm regards, Haizen > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > > > You are generous. > > > At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on > > > other platforms, and should not expect anything in return ,when > > > doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego > > > overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the demand > > > for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for acknowledgement > > > of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > supposed to > > > ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > > > If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person > comes > > > asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and search > for > > > some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves > after > > > taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to > another > > > flat,then You feel... > > > Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, > > > instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please can > > > any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, > > > what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > > > demanding. > > > > > > Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > > > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > > course. > > > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your > possible > > > birth > > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me > real > > > happy. > > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he > gets > > > are > > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > > God bless , > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 > 32n06 > > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Haizen, Some thoughts to share with You- This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not seen the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional bring ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, pubs in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money too in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are academically well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks due to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to flamboyant lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having hightech gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. Amongst all this, People like me, little older not matching with high academic qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because though we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class families in India today. At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left to creating only limited. Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the soul wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being wanted, a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, You have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. Thanks very much Bhaskar. , "haizen" <haizen wrote: > > Dear Bhakar, > > I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they don't, I had the > pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A prophet being without > honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families too. In the meantime, > it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic record. ;-) > > Sincerely, Haizen > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Haizen , > > You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my family > > tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > > demanding) > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > You're a good man. > > > > > > Warm regards, Haizen > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > > > > > You are generous. > > > > At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on > > > > other platforms, and should not expect anything in return ,when > > > > doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego > > > > overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the demand > > > > for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for acknowledgement > > > > of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > > supposed to > > > > ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > > > > If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person > > comes > > > > asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and search > > for > > > > some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves > > after > > > > taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to > > another > > > > flat,then You feel... > > > > Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, > > > > instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please can > > > > any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, > > > > what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > > > > demanding. > > > > > > > > Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > > > > > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > > > course. > > > > > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your > > possible > > > > birth > > > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me > > real > > > > happy. > > > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he > > gets > > > > are > > > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > > > God bless , > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 > > 32n06 > > > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 dear bhaskarji most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this mythical web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most of these in their real lives. but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. india remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion after religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african or even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and started invading various countries is known to all. french too set up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india was sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on religion. still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) is most sought after by the entire world and they project india in the top three super powers in the world by 2050. india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an indian and praise this great country that withstood centuries of invasions and still going strong. with best wishes pandit arjun (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the wealth of other countries) , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Haizen, > > Some thoughts to share with You- > This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already > full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not seen > the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional bring > ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, pubs > in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around > open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money too > in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are academically > well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks due > to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to flamboyant > lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having hightech > gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > Amongst all this, > People like me, little older not matching with high academic > qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because though > we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class families > in India today. > At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > to creating only limited. > Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the soul > wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants > is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being wanted, > a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, You > have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > > Thanks very much > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhakar, > > > > I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they don't, > I had the > > pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > prophet being without > > honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families too. > In the meantime, > > it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > record. ;-) > > > > Sincerely, Haizen > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Haizen , > > > You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > family > > > tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > > > demanding) > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > You're a good man. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, Haizen > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > > > > > > > You are generous. > > > > > At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on > > > > > other platforms, and should not expect anything in > return ,when > > > > > doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego > > > > > overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > demand > > > > > for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > acknowledgement > > > > > of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > > > supposed to > > > > > ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > > > > > If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person > > > comes > > > > > asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > search > > > for > > > > > some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves > > > after > > > > > taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to > > > another > > > > > flat,then You feel... > > > > > Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, > > > > > instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > can > > > > > any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, > > > > > what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > > > > > demanding. > > > > > > > > > > Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > > > > > > > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > > > > course. > > > > > > > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your > > > possible > > > > > birth > > > > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made > me > > > real > > > > > happy. > > > > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps > he > > > gets > > > > > are > > > > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > > > > God bless , > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > > > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > 9:56 > > > 32n06 > > > > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my > life. > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Shri Panditji, Pranams. After so many days You are writing to me. Before I get mistaken. I dont praise the west, neither have any inclination to. I just meant to say that they have been materially satiated and loking out towards India or else for spiritual succour. I agree that we Indians have been looted continously, yet our pot is always full to give others ,it will and shall never get empty. I am proud to be an Indian, By the way I have already written letter to top politician offering my services and life to make India one, back what was bissected, Pak and Bang and Kash. and throw the invaders back to Afghanistan.and also get what was looted back Kohinoor etc. But they dont want me, This is just for Your info. A Yogi has already written a book where he has proclaimed that India would be among top super powers by 2020. affectionately, Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this mythical > web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > of these in their real lives. > > but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > > as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. india > remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion after > religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african or > even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > started invading various countries is known to all. french too set > up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india was > sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > religion. > > still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) is > most sought after by the entire world and they project india in the > top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an indian > and praise this great country that withstood centuries of invasions > and still going strong. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the wealth > of other countries) > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > Some thoughts to share with You- > > This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > > I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > > towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already > > full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > seen > > the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > > better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > bring > > ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > > boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > > so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > pubs > > in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around > > open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > > below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > > access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > too > > in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > academically > > well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > due > > to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > > today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > flamboyant > > lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > hightech > > gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > > restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > > Amongst all this, > > People like me, little older not matching with high academic > > qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > > call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > > ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > > around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > > as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > though > > we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > > would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > > They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > > are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > > satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > > appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > families > > in India today. > > At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > > worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > > of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > > to creating only limited. > > Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > soul > > wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants > > is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > wanted, > > a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > You > > have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > > from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > > > > Thanks very much > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhakar, > > > > > > I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > don't, > > I had the > > > pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > > prophet being without > > > honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > too. > > In the meantime, > > > it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > > record. ;-) > > > > > > Sincerely, Haizen > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Haizen , > > > > You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > > family > > > > tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > > > > demanding) > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > You're a good man. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, Haizen > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are generous. > > > > > > At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > on > > > > > > other platforms, and should not expect anything in > > return ,when > > > > > > doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > Ego > > > > > > overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > > demand > > > > > > for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > > acknowledgement > > > > > > of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > > > > supposed to > > > > > > ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > > > > > > If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > person > > > > comes > > > > > > asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > > search > > > > for > > > > > > some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > leaves > > > > after > > > > > > taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > to > > > > another > > > > > > flat,then You feel... > > > > > > Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > advice, > > > > > > instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > > can > > > > > > any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > demand, > > > > > > what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > > > > > > demanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "haizen" > <haizen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > > > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > > > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > > > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > > > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > > > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > > > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > > > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > > > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > > > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > > > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > > > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > > > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > > > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > > > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > > > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > > > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > > > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > > > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > > > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > > > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > > > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > > > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > > > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > > > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > > > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > > > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > > > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > > > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > > > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > > > > > course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > > > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > Your > > > > possible > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > made > > me > > > > real > > > > > > happy. > > > > > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > claps > > he > > > > gets > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > > > > > God bless , > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > > > > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > > 9:56 > > > > 32n06 > > > > > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they > do? > > > > > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my > > life. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Nice to be able to chat with you. A few more comments below: , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Haizen, > > Some thoughts to share with You- > This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already > full there with the latter(General statement). Yes, I happen to live in America and get to see the relationship between materialism and spiritually here. But you would not believe how much the average American is in debt. So much of the apparent prosperity is false and the tone is set by the gov't which is trillions of dollars in debt because of war. The only reason why I mention this is because there's a great deal of unsatisfied materialism here and there are very few people who are on The Path as compared to the country as a whole. That's why some people have turned to the spirituality of other countries in order to find something of genuine value. But I should add that I think I know what you mean about the difference between the two cultures as a whole. > Here we have not seen > the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > better options. Yes. > Yet due to cultural influences and traditional bring > ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. Yes, it's being written about in some of the news publications here. >With > so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, pubs > in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around > open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money too > in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are academically > well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks due > to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > today,then what was two decades ago. I had no idea the economic development had gone so far to create such an economic boon in India. > All this isleading to flamboyant > lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having hightech > gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. Yes. I feel I understand what you're saying. > Amongst all this, > People like me, little older not matching with high academic > qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because though > we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection. That's right. You're needed. > They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class families > in India today. Yes...and you represent a counter-balance to all that. > At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > to creating only limited. It would be easy for you or anyone like you to question his worth under these circumstances. I sometimes think the same thing when an American athlete makes 26 million dollars a year and I compare that with my own earnings. Then I realize the comparison says more about the shallow values of US culture than my particular worth. > Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the soul > wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants > is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being wanted, > a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, You > have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. Yes yes yes. So I want you to know that I reiterate your worth though it could be easily argued that I'm in the same boat as you. What saves both of us, no doubt, is that our wealth is primarily internal. But we get to take every rupee of it with us when it's our turn to go, and the shoe of let's say eternal truth, will be on the other foot. Or in other words, the world needs us and is better off for it. I would also say that every person needs to experience some sense of reward. Not selfish reward, but the kind of reward that comes from one's effort to serve and make the world a better place. This includes financial rewards too and some- times that takes doing to work out. Usually, however, the rewards come from doing what one loves and working to get better at it. Then people who want the real thing will hear about and beat a path to that person's door whether it takes 10 years to happen or as long as 50. > Thanks very much You're welcome, my friend. > Bhaskar. Haizen > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhakar, > > > > I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they don't, > I had the > > pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > prophet being without > > honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families too. > In the meantime, > > it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > record. ;-) > > > > Sincerely, Haizen > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Haizen , > > > You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > family > > > tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > > > demanding) > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > You're a good man. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, Haizen > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > > > > > > > You are generous. > > > > > At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on > > > > > other platforms, and should not expect anything in > return ,when > > > > > doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego > > > > > overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > demand > > > > > for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > acknowledgement > > > > > of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > > > supposed to > > > > > ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > > > > > If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person > > > comes > > > > > asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > search > > > for > > > > > some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves > > > after > > > > > taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to > > > another > > > > > flat,then You feel... > > > > > Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, > > > > > instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > can > > > > > any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, > > > > > what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > > > > > demanding. > > > > > > > > > > Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > > > > > > > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > > > > course. > > > > > > > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your > > > possible > > > > > birth > > > > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made > me > > > real > > > > > happy. > > > > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps > he > > > gets > > > > > are > > > > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > > > > God bless , > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > > > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > 9:56 > > > 32n06 > > > > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > > > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my > life. > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 dear bhaskarji well said on the indian holy land which has given buddhism to the entire world and practiced what it preaches by not invading another country in its history. we may not get the kohinoor diamond back as it is the prized catch of the thieves and in all likelihood this diamond will adorn the coffin of the head of those thieves. similar is the story of the entire gold of south africa that was looted by the britishers and made it a poor country after giving independence. it is not you and me, if the indian government demands return of this kohinoor, then only it would be given back to us. by the way, i wish to share my own personal prediction that by 2050, water would be a traded commodity and its swings in futures would impact the economy. today's dreaded crude oil bill would be dwarfed by the huge water bill after 50 years. this is all the more cause for concern because india is the richest in natural water in the world which means many more invasions of US and UK. with best wishes pandit arjun (jal hi jeevan hai) , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Panditji, > > Pranams. > After so many days You are writing to me. > Before I get mistaken. I dont praise the west, neither have > any inclination to. I just meant to say that they have been > materially satiated and loking out towards India or else for > spiritual succour. > I agree that we Indians have been looted continously, yet > our pot is always full to give others ,it will and shall > never get empty. > I am proud to be an Indian, > By the way I have already written letter to top politician > offering my services and life to make India one, back what was > bissected, Pak and Bang and Kash. and throw the invaders back to > Afghanistan.and also get what was looted back Kohinoor etc. > But they dont want me, > This is just for Your info. > A Yogi has already written a book where he has proclaimed that > India would be among top super powers by 2020. > > affectionately, > Bhaskar. > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > > in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > > and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > mythical > > web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > > of these in their real lives. > > > > but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > > happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > > > > as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. > india > > remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > > looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > > wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion after > > religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > > do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african > or > > even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > > how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > > knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > > started invading various countries is known to all. french too set > > up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india was > > sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > > religion. > > > > still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) is > > most sought after by the entire world and they project india in the > > top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > > > india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > > wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an > indian > > and praise this great country that withstood centuries of invasions > > and still going strong. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > > superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the wealth > > of other countries) > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > > > Some thoughts to share with You- > > > This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > > > I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > > > towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > already > > > full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > > seen > > > the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > > > better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > > bring > > > ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > > > boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > > > so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > > pubs > > > in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > around > > > open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > > > below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > > > access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > > too > > > in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > > academically > > > well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > > due > > > to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > > > today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > > flamboyant > > > lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > > hightech > > > gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > > > restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > > > Amongst all this, > > > People like me, little older not matching with high academic > > > qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > > > call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > > > ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > > > around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > > > as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > > though > > > we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > > > would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > > > They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > > > are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > > > satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > > > appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > > families > > > in India today. > > > At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > > > worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > > > of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > > > to creating only limited. > > > Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > > soul > > > wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man > wants > > > is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > > wanted, > > > a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > > You > > > have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > > > from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > > > > > > Thanks very much > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhakar, > > > > > > > > I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > > don't, > > > I had the > > > > pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > > > prophet being without > > > > honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > > too. > > > In the meantime, > > > > it has now been said and the words officially go on your > akashic > > > record. ;-) > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Haizen > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haizen , > > > > > You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > > > family > > > > > tells me that some day before I leave this planet..... (Again > > > > > demanding) > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > You're a good man. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, Haizen > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are generous. > > > > > > > At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > > on > > > > > > > other platforms, and should not expect anything in > > > return ,when > > > > > > > doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > > Ego > > > > > > > overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > > > demand > > > > > > > for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > > > acknowledgement > > > > > > > of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > > > > > supposed to > > > > > > > ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > > > > > > > If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > > person > > > > > comes > > > > > > > asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > > > search > > > > > for > > > > > > > some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > > leaves > > > > > after > > > > > > > taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > > to > > > > > another > > > > > > > flat,then You feel... > > > > > > > Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > > advice, > > > > > > > instead of writing back, straightaway put the > call "Please > > > can > > > > > > > any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > > demand, > > > > > > > what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and > less > > > > > > > demanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "haizen" > > <haizen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > > > > > > time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > > > > > > though I was not the person you were trying to > > > > > > > > help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > > > > > > if some of the problems people have are the result > > > > > > > > of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > > > > > > that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > > > > > > you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > > > > > > In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > > > > > > of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > > > > > > existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > > > > > > the astrologer should be compensated according > > > > > > > > to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > > > > > > being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > > > > > > Most people do not understand that what appears > > > > > > > > to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > > > > > > required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > > > > > > the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > > > > > > to give their time away when they have the same > > > > > > > > bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > > > > > > free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > > > > > > getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > > > > > > but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > > > > > > talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > > > > > > is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > > > > > > worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > > > > > > to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > > > > > > in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > > > > > > the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > > > > > > > be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > > > > > > course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > > > > > > come through some other means of abundance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > > > > > > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > > Your > > > > > possible > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > > made > > > me > > > > > real > > > > > > > happy. > > > > > > > > > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > > claps > > > he > > > > > gets > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > > > > > > Any way please forget it. > > > > > > > > > God bless , > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rebbeasher" > > > > > > > <rebbeasher@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 > at > > > 9:56 > > > > > 32n06 > > > > > > > 34e47. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > > > > > > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > > > > > > > What were my biological parents like? What did > they > > do? > > > > > > > > > > My religious nature? > > > > > > > > > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > > > > > > > > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > > > > > > > > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my > > > life. > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji we are running in rat race and even if we win, we still remain a rat. To a large extent, best selling serial "mahabharat" also explains the issues relating to materialism. There is nothing wrong in materialism, and it does not affect the spiritualism to an extent. In my understanding of sacrifice, the "bhog" is most important element. Unless person has experienced that "bhog", the sacrifice of desire of its very non consumption is hypocracy and does not really bring spiritualism to highest order. Kindly do not misinterpret the term "bhog". I have used it very loosely. In jainism, all tirthankars were great kings and then sanyas occured to them for moksha. Even our own culture, when we are into grasthashram - we must focus on work / profession and "artha" from it. It is prescribed dharma. Our modern sages, have often misinterpreted materialism and spiritualism; and the people propogating such belief (big lot of this is astrologers itself), have spreaded wrong notions about both. Spiritualism is a process and so is materialism. Evil elements, misuse of power, demonstration of ego and above all preaching of false idealism / notions - exist in both. There is nothing called idealism. Most vital issue, which can bring us closer to god is - fulfillment of our obligations. That is the only dharma. Yes, when we are kinder to people, objects and above all to self; then we are able to meet the challenges (people of different age groups, different professions have different challenges..and accordingly different rewards..perhaps it is karmic game, where we are just a pawn). I am sure, as we put efforts to be kinder (not diplomatic on public face value, while keeping anger/negativity within); love, affections flows in from all over. Yes, sometimes - we have greater obligations to people (for some past life's debts) and the moment we acknowledge / surrender as debtor, we can repay it back. Repayment of debts is also part of our obligations. and Until, the debt is repaid - there may not be the kinder treatment by our creditor. We observe this in our daily life, and all karmic. regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:30:06 -0000 > > Re: help please... > > Dear Haizen, > > Some thoughts to share with You- > This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already > full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not seen > the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional bring > ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, pubs > in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around > open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money too > in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are academically > well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks due > to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to flamboyant > lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having hightech > gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > Amongst all this, > People like me, little older not matching with high academic > qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because though > we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class families > in India today. > At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > to creating only limited. > Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the soul > wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants > is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being wanted, > a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, You > have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > > Thanks very much > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "haizen" <haizen wrote: >> >> Dear Bhakar, >> >> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they don't, > I had the >> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > prophet being without >> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families too. > In the meantime, >> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > record. ;-) >> >> Sincerely, Haizen >> >> >> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Haizen , >>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > family >>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again >>> demanding) >>> >>> regards/Bhaskar. >>> >>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>> >>>> You're a good man. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, Haizen >>>> >>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Haizen, >>>>> >>>>> You are generous. >>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on >>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > return ,when >>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego >>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > demand >>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > acknowledgement >>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not >>> supposed to >>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. >>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person >>> comes >>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > search >>> for >>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves >>> after >>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to >>> another >>>>> flat,then You feel... >>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, >>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > can >>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, >>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less >>>>> demanding. >>>>> >>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. >>>>> >>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>>> >>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable >>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you >>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to >>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder >>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result >>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied >>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank >>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. >>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin >>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire >>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), >>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according >>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means >>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. >>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears >>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, >>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and >>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded >>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same >>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do >>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not >>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, >>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their >>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it >>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is >>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer >>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly >>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or >>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly >>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of >>>>>> course. >>>>>> >>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours >>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Haizen Paige >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. >>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your >>> possible >>>>> birth >>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made > me >>> real >>>>> happy. >>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps > he >>> gets >>>>> are >>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ >>>>>>> Any way please forget it. >>>>>>> God bless , >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" >>>>> <rebbeasher@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > 9:56 >>> 32n06 >>>>> 34e47. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? >>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? >>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they do? >>>>>>>> My religious nature? >>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? >>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? >>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my > life. >>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear members Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not affect my proud feeling. The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all sectors - government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in world war, but they managed to progress...just for their productivity. All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going to help. It is the productive work, which determines the final outcome. Let us name one profession, where we are honest and productive. We have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the best example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will always find reason for self appeasement). I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please anyone. regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > panditarjun2004 > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > > Re: help please... > > dear bhaskarji > > most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this mythical > web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > of these in their real lives. > > but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > > as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. india > remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion after > religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african or > even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > started invading various countries is known to all. french too set > up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india was > sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > religion. > > still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) is > most sought after by the entire world and they project india in the > top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an indian > and praise this great country that withstood centuries of invasions > and still going strong. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the wealth > of other countries) > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Haizen, >> >> Some thoughts to share with You- >> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. >> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking >> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already >> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > seen >> the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching >> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > bring >> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's >> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With >> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > pubs >> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around >> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly >> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy >> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > too >> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > academically >> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > due >> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely >> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > flamboyant >> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > hightech >> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some >> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. >> Amongst all this, >> People like me, little older not matching with high academic >> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as >> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , >> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings >> around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets >> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > though >> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living >> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. >> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who >> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to >> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start >> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > families >> in India today. >> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he >> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type >> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left >> to creating only limited. >> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > soul >> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants >> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > wanted, >> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > You >> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming >> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. >> >> Thanks very much >> >> Bhaskar. >> >> >> >> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Bhakar, >>> >>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > don't, >> I had the >>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A >> prophet being without >>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > too. >> In the meantime, >>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic >> record. ;-) >>> >>> Sincerely, Haizen >>> >>> >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Haizen , >>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my >> family >>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again >>>> demanding) >>>> >>>> regards/Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>> >>>>> You're a good man. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, Haizen >>>>> >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Haizen, >>>>>> >>>>>> You are generous. >>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > on >>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in >> return ,when >>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > Ego >>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the >> demand >>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for >> acknowledgement >>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not >>>> supposed to >>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. >>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > person >>>> comes >>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and >> search >>>> for >>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > leaves >>>> after >>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > to >>>> another >>>>>> flat,then You feel... >>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > advice, >>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please >> can >>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > demand, >>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less >>>>>> demanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> , "haizen" > <haizen@> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable >>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you >>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to >>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder >>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result >>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied >>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank >>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. >>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin >>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire >>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), >>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according >>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means >>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. >>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears >>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, >>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and >>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded >>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same >>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do >>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not >>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, >>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their >>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it >>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is >>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer >>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly >>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or >>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly >>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of >>>>>>> course. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours >>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Haizen Paige >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- In > , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. >>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > Your >>>> possible >>>>>> birth >>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > made >> me >>>> real >>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > claps >> he >>>> gets >>>>>> are >>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ >>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. >>>>>>>> God bless , >>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" >>>>>> <rebbeasher@> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at >> 9:56 >>>> 32n06 >>>>>> 34e47. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? >>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? >>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they > do? >>>>>>>>> My religious nature? >>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? >>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? >>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my >> life. >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Prafulla, good one.. well said... regards sriganeshh , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > we are running in rat race and even if we win, we still remain a rat. > > To a large extent, best selling serial "mahabharat" also explains the issues relating to materialism. There is nothing wrong in materialism, and it does not affect the spiritualism to an extent. In my understanding of sacrifice, the "bhog" is most important element. Unless person has experienced that "bhog", the sacrifice of desire of its very non consumption is hypocracy and does not really bring spiritualism to highest order. Kindly do not misinterpret the term "bhog". I have used it very loosely. > > In jainism, all tirthankars were great kings and then sanyas occured to them for moksha. Even our own culture, when we are into grasthashram - we must focus on work / profession and "artha" from it. It is prescribed dharma. > > Our modern sages, have often misinterpreted materialism and spiritualism; and the people propogating such belief (big lot of this is astrologers itself), have spreaded wrong notions about both. Spiritualism is a process and so is materialism. Evil elements, misuse of power, demonstration of ego and above all preaching of false idealism / notions - exist in both. There is nothing called idealism. Most vital issue, which can bring us closer to god is - fulfillment of our obligations. That is the only dharma. Yes, when we are kinder to people, objects and above all to self; then we are able to meet the challenges (people of different age groups, different professions have different challenges..and accordingly different rewards..perhaps it is karmic game, where we are just a pawn). > > I am sure, as we put efforts to be kinder (not diplomatic on public face value, while keeping anger/negativity within); love, affections flows in from all over. Yes, sometimes - we have greater obligations to people (for some past life's debts) and the moment we acknowledge / surrender as debtor, we can repay it back. Repayment of debts is also part of our obligations. and Until, the debt is repaid - there may not be the kinder treatment by our creditor. We observe this in our daily life, and all karmic. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:30:06 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > Some thoughts to share with You- > > This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > > I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > > towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already > > full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not seen > > the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > > better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional bring > > ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > > boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > > so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, pubs > > in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around > > open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > > below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > > access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money too > > in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are academically > > well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks due > > to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > > today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to flamboyant > > lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having hightech > > gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > > restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > > Amongst all this, > > People like me, little older not matching with high academic > > qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > > call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > > ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > > around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > > as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because though > > we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > > would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > > They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > > are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > > satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > > appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class families > > in India today. > > At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > > worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > > of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > > to creating only limited. > > Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the soul > > wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants > > is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being wanted, > > a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, You > > have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > > from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > > > > Thanks very much > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Bhakar, > >> > >> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they don't, > > I had the > >> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > > prophet being without > >> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families too. > > In the meantime, > >> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > > record. ;-) > >> > >> Sincerely, Haizen > >> > >> > >> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Haizen , > >>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > > family > >>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > >>> demanding) > >>> > >>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>> > >>>> You're a good man. > >>>> > >>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>>> > >>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>>> > >>>>> You are generous. > >>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on > >>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > > return ,when > >>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego > >>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > > demand > >>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > > acknowledgement > >>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > >>> supposed to > >>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > >>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person > >>> comes > >>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > > search > >>> for > >>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves > >>> after > >>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to > >>> another > >>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, > >>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > > can > >>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, > >>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > >>>>> demanding. > >>>>> > >>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > >>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > >>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > >>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > >>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > >>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>>>>> course. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your > >>> possible > >>>>> birth > >>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made > > me > >>> real > >>>>> happy. > >>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps > > he > >>> gets > >>>>> are > >>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>>>>>> God bless , > >>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > >>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > > 9:56 > >>> 32n06 > >>>>> 34e47. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > >>>>>>>> My religious nature? > >>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > >>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > >>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my > > life. > >>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Shri Prafullji, Very well written Sir. It is but imperative that unless one knows darkness he will never know the meaning of light, or unles he has seen sadness ,the meaning of happiness would not exist for a person. In the same way Bhog is also a part of spirituality, or say a part which leads towards this aspect. For ex. King Yayati after enjoying pleasures for 1000 years could only come to conclusion that theres no end to this, and then went for renouncement. Therefore nothing wrong in materialism which is a part of the dualistic nature existing in all. This should not be on the extreme though and should ultimately lead to the religious way of living, then materialsim is good, or can be co-existed side by side in living by mature people as in case of Raja Janak. Of course sacrifice of any desire is not good rather melting of the desire altogether after having consumed., or with opposite countering of better desires is preferable. Fulfillment of our obligations in whichever state we have been placed by God, does definitely bring us closer to God, agreed Sir. Repayment of debts is also part of our obligations. and Until, the debt is repaid - there may not be the kinder treatment by our creditor. Again agreed, but we posses feelings like love,hurt,sorrow etc. so when we get hurt by own people or contacts or friends due to their behaviour, that time, wiseness of above statement which I agree in full, goes behind the back and we become utterly humane and vulnerable to their behaviour which causes us to cry out like I must have did in my, mail to Mr.Haizen But yes, coming back after the pain of hurt dies out, it is very right that karmic debts are there towards these same people which unless cleared would not warranty kinder treatment. Regards/Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > we are running in rat race and even if we win, we still remain a rat. > > To a large extent, best selling serial "mahabharat" also explains the issues relating to materialism. There is nothing wrong in materialism, and it does not affect the spiritualism to an extent. In my understanding of sacrifice, the "bhog" is most important element. Unless person has experienced that "bhog", the sacrifice of desire of its very non consumption is hypocracy and does not really bring spiritualism to highest order. Kindly do not misinterpret the term "bhog". I have used it very loosely. > > In jainism, all tirthankars were great kings and then sanyas occured to them for moksha. Even our own culture, when we are into grasthashram - we must focus on work / profession and "artha" from it. It is prescribed dharma. > > Our modern sages, have often misinterpreted materialism and spiritualism; and the people propogating such belief (big lot of this is astrologers itself), have spreaded wrong notions about both. Spiritualism is a process and so is materialism. Evil elements, misuse of power, demonstration of ego and above all preaching of false idealism / notions - exist in both. There is nothing called idealism. Most vital issue, which can bring us closer to god is - fulfillment of our obligations. That is the only dharma. Yes, when we are kinder to people, objects and above all to self; then we are able to meet the challenges (people of different age groups, different professions have different challenges..and accordingly different rewards..perhaps it is karmic game, where we are just a pawn). > > I am sure, as we put efforts to be kinder (not diplomatic on public face value, while keeping anger/negativity within); love, affections flows in from all over. Yes, sometimes - we have greater obligations to people (for some past life's debts) and the moment we acknowledge / surrender as debtor, we can repay it back. Repayment of debts is also part of our obligations. and Until, the debt is repaid - there may not be the kinder treatment by our creditor. We observe this in our daily life, and all karmic. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:30:06 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > Dear Haizen, > > > > Some thoughts to share with You- > > This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > > I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > > towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already > > full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not seen > > the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > > better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional bring > > ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > > boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > > so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, pubs > > in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around > > open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > > below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > > access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money too > > in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are academically > > well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks due > > to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > > today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to flamboyant > > lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having hightech > > gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > > restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > > Amongst all this, > > People like me, little older not matching with high academic > > qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > > call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > > ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > > around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > > as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because though > > we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > > would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > > They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > > are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > > satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > > appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class families > > in India today. > > At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > > worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > > of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > > to creating only limited. > > Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the soul > > wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants > > is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being wanted, > > a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, You > > have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > > from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > > > > Thanks very much > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Bhakar, > >> > >> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they don't, > > I had the > >> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > > prophet being without > >> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families too. > > In the meantime, > >> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > > record. ;-) > >> > >> Sincerely, Haizen > >> > >> > >> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Haizen , > >>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > > family > >>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > >>> demanding) > >>> > >>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>> > >>>> You're a good man. > >>>> > >>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>>> > >>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>>> > >>>>> You are generous. > >>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or on > >>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > > return ,when > >>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the Ego > >>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > > demand > >>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > > acknowledgement > >>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > >>> supposed to > >>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > >>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one person > >>> comes > >>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > > search > >>> for > >>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately leaves > >>> after > >>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves to > >>> another > >>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my advice, > >>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > > can > >>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me demand, > >>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > >>>>> demanding. > >>>>> > >>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > >>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > >>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > >>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > >>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > >>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>>>>> course. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your > >>> possible > >>>>> birth > >>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made > > me > >>> real > >>>>> happy. > >>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps > > he > >>> gets > >>>>> are > >>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>>>>>> God bless , > >>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > >>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > > 9:56 > >>> 32n06 > >>>>> 34e47. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > >>>>>>>> My religious nature? > >>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > >>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > >>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my > > life. > >>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Shri Prafullji, Again well said, but people who are responsible for this state of affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not come in that category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country and Rathor is good for the country, yet we have no part in their goodness to the country directly, except watching their matches over a cup of drink on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the various ills of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category of either contributing good or contributing bad to the country state of affairs as of today. Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have been governing the country,their servants, and channels in all sectors, who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly not all of the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. That is another story that we develop black stains on the clothes working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a Lotus in...... regards/Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear members > > Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not affect my proud feeling. > > The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all sectors - government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in world war, but they managed to progress...just for their productivity. > > All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going to help. It is the productive work, which determines the final outcome. Let us name one profession, where we are honest and productive. We have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the best example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will always find reason for self appeasement). > > I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please anyone. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > > in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > > and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this mythical > > web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > > of these in their real lives. > > > > but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > > happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > > > > as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. india > > remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > > looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > > wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion after > > religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > > do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african or > > even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > > how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > > knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > > started invading various countries is known to all. french too set > > up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india was > > sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > > religion. > > > > still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) is > > most sought after by the entire world and they project india in the > > top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > > > india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > > wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an indian > > and praise this great country that withstood centuries of invasions > > and still going strong. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > > superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the wealth > > of other countries) > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Haizen, > >> > >> Some thoughts to share with You- > >> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > >> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > >> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already > >> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > > seen > >> the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > >> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > > bring > >> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > >> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > >> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > > pubs > >> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around > >> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > >> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > >> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > > too > >> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > > academically > >> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > > due > >> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > >> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > > flamboyant > >> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > > hightech > >> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > >> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >> Amongst all this, > >> People like me, little older not matching with high academic > >> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > >> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > >> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > >> around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > >> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > > though > >> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > >> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > >> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > >> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > >> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > >> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > > families > >> in India today. > >> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > >> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > >> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > >> to creating only limited. > >> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > > soul > >> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants > >> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > > wanted, > >> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > > You > >> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > >> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > >> > >> Thanks very much > >> > >> Bhaskar. > >> > >> > >> > >> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Bhakar, > >>> > >>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > > don't, > >> I had the > >>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > >> prophet being without > >>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > > too. > >> In the meantime, > >>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > >> record. ;-) > >>> > >>> Sincerely, Haizen > >>> > >>> > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Haizen , > >>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > >> family > >>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > >>>> demanding) > >>>> > >>>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>> > >>>>> You're a good man. > >>>>> > >>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>>>> > >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You are generous. > >>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > > on > >>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > >> return ,when > >>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > > Ego > >>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > >> demand > >>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > >> acknowledgement > >>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > >>>> supposed to > >>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > >>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > > person > >>>> comes > >>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > >> search > >>>> for > >>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > > leaves > >>>> after > >>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > > to > >>>> another > >>>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > > advice, > >>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > >> can > >>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > > demand, > >>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > >>>>>> demanding. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> , "haizen" > > <haizen@> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > >>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > >>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > >>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > >>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > >>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>>>>>> course. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- In > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > > Your > >>>> possible > >>>>>> birth > >>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > > made > >> me > >>>> real > >>>>>> happy. > >>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > > claps > >> he > >>>> gets > >>>>>> are > >>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>>>>>>> God bless , > >>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > >>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > >> 9:56 > >>>> 32n06 > >>>>>> 34e47. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they > > do? > >>>>>>>>> My religious nature? > >>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > >>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > >>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my > >> life. > >>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Strong words, Prafullaji. Just one suggestion, when you say, " The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > unproductive race." Say, it is your perception or opinion. There is a world of difference between these words. regards rishi --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear members > > Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness > does not affect my proud feeling. > > The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify > others for our non performance (we are dishonest to > ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to > hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in > all sectors - government, private sector, technology > adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, > chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find > face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too > in world war, but they managed to progress...just > for their productivity. > > All these past glories, our great culture etc are > not going to help. It is the productive work, which > determines the final outcome. Let us name one > profession, where we are honest and productive. We > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well > (IT is the best example - where our services are > monitored by non indian IT professionals and we > comply to their standards, else we will always find > reason for self appeasement). > > I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, > how unproductive we are, if not monitored / > demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for > my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, > i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to > please anyone. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, > for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or > participate actively > > in various net groups is only because they get > some belongingness > > and acceptance and love and warmth showered on > them in this mythical > > web which is real and unreal both. needless to > say they miss most > > of these in their real lives. > > > > but the first principle of karma theory says that > if you want > > happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. > make others happy. > > > > as regards your praising the west, i can tell only > one thing. india > > remained poor in material wealth only because it > has welcomed all > > looters and allowed them to loot our country and > take away as much > > wealth as they can in shiploads to their > countries. religion after > > religion, country after country invaded india and > they continue to > > do so. you ask any australian, indian, > zimbabwian, south african or > > even a hongkong chinese how british have looted > these countries. > > how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan > come on their > > knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in > the US and > > started invading various countries is known to > all. french too set > > up their own colonies. china too is annexing > countries. india was > > sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and > divisions based on > > religion. > > > > still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted > by the british) is > > most sought after by the entire world and they > project india in the > > top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > > > india has, is and would always be at the giving > end be it material > > wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud > of being an indian > > and praise this great country that withstood > centuries of invasions > > and still going strong. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all > religions but many > > superpowers of today became superpowers only by > stealing the wealth > > of other countries) > > > > , > "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > >> > >> Dear Haizen, > >> > >> Some thoughts to share with You- > >> This world has become very much > materialistic,specially India. > >> I think You are based out of India,where most > would be looking > >> towards spirituality rather than material, > because they are already > >> full there with the latter(General > statement).Here we have not > > seen > >> the former part and so no question of becoming > full and searching > >> better options. Yet due to cultural influences > and traditional > > bring > >> ups in individual families, the essence has > remained, but the 70's > >> boom of USA is now the India story currently > after 35years. With > >> so many malls coming around every city in ever > nook and corner, > > pubs > >> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, > discos all around > >> open full night.liberisation of media > broadcasting,boozing openly > >> below every building especially in Bombay in posh > areas too,easy > >> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and > availibility of money > > too > >> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as > they are > > academically > >> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing > good pay checks > > due > >> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is > available freely > >> today,then what was two decades ago. All this > isleading to > > flamboyant > >> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one > is having > > hightech > >> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending > evenings in some > >> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >> Amongst all this, > >> People like me, little older not matching with > high academic > >> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing > jobs such as > >> call centres and the like, at prime of life or > say third stage , > >> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to > the happennings > >> around staying put at home or office without > loosening out pockets > >> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the > brunt because > > though > >> we may be understanding, others around us with > whom we are living > >> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any > retrospection.. > >> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, > its the men who > >> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is > limited, to > >> satiate, considering the environments, then the > problems start > >> appearing in life, which is happening in most > middle class > > families > >> in India today. > >> At this stage man starts thinking what is he > worth ? or why is he > >> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not > allow any type > >> of harakiri in business or professional > activities , he is left > >> to creating only limited. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear all, I believe and agree to Mr.Prafullji for most of the part, though his views cannot be acceptable by all and every individual since most of us may not be behaving the way he has mentioned. They would be more applicable to as I said people in Poilitics, Govt.dept.like post offices railways, Sales Tax, Income tax, revenue, judiciary, Lok Sabha,Rajya Sabha-Parliamentary duties,Police, people having power-those who play power games,the lower category staff in these departments, the low paid servants in Government hierarchy, even high Paid ones,people in charge of public money or dispersal etc........ Most of us working privately, professionally, or having own businesses, may not have contributed much to the worse state country is in today. The commoners are mostly God fearing people, then those in power, and will not stray so easily out of duty, unless paid less for their services and duties. Again exceptions are there in all stratas and classes which cannot be overlooked, but , I agree that most of us may also have been influenced to have undesired traits in our system, which can be allegorised to getting stains when You are in a coal mine. regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear members > > Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not affect my proud feeling. > > The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all sectors - government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in world war, but they managed to progress...just for their productivity. > > All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going to help. It is the productive work, which determines the final outcome. Let us name one profession, where we are honest and productive. We have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the best example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will always find reason for self appeasement). > > I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please anyone. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > > in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > > and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this mythical > > web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > > of these in their real lives. > > > > but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > > happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > > > > as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. india > > remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > > looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > > wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion after > > religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > > do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african or > > even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > > how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > > knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > > started invading various countries is known to all. french too set > > up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india was > > sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > > religion. > > > > still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) is > > most sought after by the entire world and they project india in the > > top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > > > india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > > wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an indian > > and praise this great country that withstood centuries of invasions > > and still going strong. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > > superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the wealth > > of other countries) > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Haizen, > >> > >> Some thoughts to share with You- > >> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > >> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > >> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are already > >> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > > seen > >> the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > >> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > > bring > >> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the 70's > >> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > >> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > > pubs > >> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all around > >> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > >> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > >> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > > too > >> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > > academically > >> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > > due > >> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > >> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > > flamboyant > >> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > > hightech > >> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in some > >> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >> Amongst all this, > >> People like me, little older not matching with high academic > >> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > >> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > >> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > >> around staying put at home or office without loosening out pockets > >> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > > though > >> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > >> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > >> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > >> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > >> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > >> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > > families > >> in India today. > >> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > >> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > >> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > >> to creating only limited. > >> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > > soul > >> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man wants > >> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > > wanted, > >> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > > You > >> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > >> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > >> > >> Thanks very much > >> > >> Bhaskar. > >> > >> > >> > >> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Bhakar, > >>> > >>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > > don't, > >> I had the > >>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > >> prophet being without > >>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > > too. > >> In the meantime, > >>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > >> record. ;-) > >>> > >>> Sincerely, Haizen > >>> > >>> > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Haizen , > >>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > >> family > >>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > >>>> demanding) > >>>> > >>>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>> > >>>>> You're a good man. > >>>>> > >>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>>>> > >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You are generous. > >>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > > on > >>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > >> return ,when > >>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > > Ego > >>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > >> demand > >>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > >> acknowledgement > >>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > >>>> supposed to > >>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > >>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > > person > >>>> comes > >>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > >> search > >>>> for > >>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > > leaves > >>>> after > >>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > > to > >>>> another > >>>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > > advice, > >>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > >> can > >>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > > demand, > >>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > >>>>>> demanding. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> , "haizen" > > <haizen@> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > >>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > >>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > >>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > >>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > >>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>>>>>> course. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- In > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > > Your > >>>> possible > >>>>>> birth > >>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > > made > >> me > >>>> real > >>>>>> happy. > >>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > > claps > >> he > >>>> gets > >>>>>> are > >>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>>>>>>> God bless , > >>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > >>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > >> 9:56 > >>>> 32n06 > >>>>>> 34e47. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they > > do? > >>>>>>>>> My religious nature? > >>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > >>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > >>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my > >> life. > >>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Sir I am talking of productivity and professional honesty. and we have not been able to grow independently for various reasons..biggest one is our productive issues. The moment, person blames for non happening to "stars" and does not try to identify his attributes to match the challenges, then it is self appeasing. All these quick fix "sellers" in any profession damages the most. It makes people vulnerable to the core, without any recourse. All professions have different challenges and rewards. The family does not progress, by a kid getting gold medal in school. it has to be economic progress and unfortunately - stardom / media etc has brought up another mess. Famous economic principle - A Poor is poor, because he is poor. Why? not because of resources (we all know, resources can be borrowed etc), but for sheer desire, skill and productivity. We work best, when we are put to tough task (not necessarily political slavery). But how many of Indians finshes their work in designated time? How many of them like to deliver of good quality? and How many of Indians do not give excuse for non performance? How many of them are honest in their social / professional undertakings? How many of Indian students work on curriculum projects independently to learn? How many of Indians reach office in time? How many of them put the work as priority above their social committments? How many fresh Chartered accountants can read books of accounts? How many fresh engineers fix a car? and so on....... Bhaskar bhai, all are difficult and embrassing questions. so How many think honestly without any motives? A country can grow only with honest and committed work force. I do not mind people drinking (devatas also drink...), gambling and so on..as long as they work/deliver with honesty and productivity. So let us not get into the habbits. We are discussing minimum requisite characteristics for self sustainable economic growth. Ofcourse, we are not talking about exceptional people/circumsatnces. regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:47:39 -0000 > > Re: help please... > > Shri Prafullji, > > Again well said, but people who are responsible for this state of > affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not come in that > category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country and Rathor is > good for the country, yet we have no part in their goodness to the > country directly, except watching their matches over a cup of drink > on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the various ills > of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category of > either contributing good or contributing bad to the country state of > affairs as of today. > Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have been > governing the country,their servants, and channels in all sectors, > who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly not all of > the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. > That is another story that we develop black stains on the clothes > working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a Lotus > in...... > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear members >> >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not affect > my proud feeling. >> >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and unproductive > race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non > performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self proclaimed > sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all sectors - > government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. We > believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to > find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in world > war, but they managed to progress...just for their productivity. >> >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going to > help. It is the productive work, which determines the final outcome. > Let us name one profession, where we are honest and productive. We > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the best > example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT > professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will always > find reason for self appeasement). >> >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how > unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, there may > be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for the fact > that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please anyone. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing > and what not seeing." >> >> >>> >>> panditarjun2004 >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 >>> >>> Re: help please... >>> >>> dear bhaskarji >>> >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively >>> in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > mythical >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most >>> of these in their real lives. >>> >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. >>> >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. > india >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion > after >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african > or >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french too > set >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india > was >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on >>> religion. >>> >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) > is >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project india in > the >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. >>> >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an > indian >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > invasions >>> and still going strong. >>> >>> with best wishes >>> pandit arjun >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > wealth >>> of other countries) >>> >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Haizen, >>>> >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > already >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not >>> seen >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional >>> bring >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the > 70's >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, >>> pubs >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > around >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money >>> too >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are >>> academically >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks >>> due >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to >>> flamboyant >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having >>> hightech >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in > some >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. >>>> Amongst all this, >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high academic >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > pockets >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because >>> though >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class >>> families >>>> in India today. >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left >>>> to creating only limited. >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the >>> soul >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man > wants >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being >>> wanted, >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, >>> You >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. >>>> >>>> Thanks very much >>>> >>>> Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Bhakar, >>>>> >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they >>> don't, >>>> I had the >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A >>>> prophet being without >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families >>> too. >>>> In the meantime, >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic >>>> record. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Haizen , >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my >>>> family >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again >>>>>> demanding) >>>>>> >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're a good man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are generous. >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or >>> on >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in >>>> return ,when >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the >>> Ego >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the >>>> demand >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for >>>> acknowledgement >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not >>>>>> supposed to >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one >>> person >>>>>> comes >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and >>>> search >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately >>> leaves >>>>>> after >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves >>> to >>>>>> another >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my >>> advice, >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please >>>> can >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me >>> demand, >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less >>>>>>>> demanding. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> , "haizen" >>> <haizen@> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of >>>>>>>>> course. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- In >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out >>> Your >>>>>> possible >>>>>>>> birth >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have >>> made >>>> me >>>>>> real >>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the >>> claps >>>> he >>>>>> gets >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. >>>>>>>>>> God bless , >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at >>>> 9:56 >>>>>> 32n06 >>>>>>>> 34e47. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they >>> do? >>>>>>>>>>> My religious nature? >>>>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? >>>>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? >>>>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my >>>> life. >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> __________ FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Shri Prafulla Bhai Sahab, Aapki baat 16 anna nahi, 100anna sach hai. India isiliye toh nahi sudhri. Laaton ke bhoot baton se nahin mante. When the cat is away the mouse is at play. Without mandatory rules and regulations its difficult to make us work or stay in order ie. productive in whatever field we may be. Boss rahne se apne logon ke upar , kaam hota hai Bhai, yeh baat manta hoon main. No argument at all with Your views. They appear to be perfect. Sometimes I too think that shall we call the Britishers back for few years to bring us back in place, and then leave again.. regards/Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Sir > > I am talking of productivity and professional honesty. and we have not been able to grow independently for various reasons..biggest one is our productive issues. > > The moment, person blames for non happening to "stars" and does not try to identify his attributes to match the challenges, then it is self appeasing. All these quick fix "sellers" in any profession damages the most. It makes people vulnerable to the core, without any recourse. All professions have different challenges and rewards. > > The family does not progress, by a kid getting gold medal in school. it has to be economic progress and unfortunately - stardom / media etc has brought up another mess. > > Famous economic principle - A Poor is poor, because he is poor. Why? not because of resources (we all know, resources can be borrowed etc), but for sheer desire, skill and productivity. > > We work best, when we are put to tough task (not necessarily political slavery). But how many of Indians finshes their work in designated time? How many of them like to deliver of good quality? and How many of Indians do not give excuse for non performance? How many of them are honest in their social / professional undertakings? How many of Indian students work on curriculum projects independently to learn? How many of Indians reach office in time? How many of them put the work as priority above their social committments? How many fresh Chartered accountants can read books of accounts? How many fresh engineers fix a car? and so on....... > > Bhaskar bhai, all are difficult and embrassing questions. so How many think honestly without any motives? A country can grow only with honest and committed work force. I do not mind people drinking (devatas also drink...), gambling and so on..as long as they work/deliver with honesty and productivity. So let us not get into the habbits. We are discussing minimum requisite characteristics for self sustainable economic growth. > > Ofcourse, we are not talking about exceptional people/circumsatnces. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:47:39 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > Shri Prafullji, > > > > Again well said, but people who are responsible for this state of > > affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not come in that > > category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country and Rathor is > > good for the country, yet we have no part in their goodness to the > > country directly, except watching their matches over a cup of drink > > on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the various ills > > of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category of > > either contributing good or contributing bad to the country state of > > affairs as of today. > > Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have been > > governing the country,their servants, and channels in all sectors, > > who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly not all of > > the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. > > That is another story that we develop black stains on the clothes > > working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a Lotus > > in...... > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear members > >> > >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not affect > > my proud feeling. > >> > >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and unproductive > > race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non > > performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self proclaimed > > sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason > > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all sectors - > > government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. We > > believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to > > find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in world > > war, but they managed to progress...just for their productivity. > >> > >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going to > > help. It is the productive work, which determines the final outcome. > > Let us name one profession, where we are honest and productive. We > > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the best > > example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT > > professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will always > > find reason for self appeasement). > >> > >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how > > unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, there may > > be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for the fact > > that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please anyone. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing > > and what not seeing." > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004@ > >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: help please... > >>> > >>> dear bhaskarji > >>> > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > >>> in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > > mythical > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > >>> of these in their real lives. > >>> > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > >>> > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. > > india > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion > > after > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african > > or > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french too > > set > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india > > was > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > >>> religion. > >>> > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) > > is > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project india in > > the > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > >>> > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an > > indian > >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > > invasions > >>> and still going strong. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > > wealth > >>> of other countries) > >>> > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>> > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > > already > >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > >>> seen > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > >>> bring > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the > > 70's > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > >>> pubs > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > > around > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > >>> too > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > >>> academically > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > >>> due > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > >>> flamboyant > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > >>> hightech > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in > > some > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >>>> Amongst all this, > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high academic > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > > pockets > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > >>> though > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > >>> families > >>>> in India today. > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > >>>> to creating only limited. > >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > >>> soul > >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man > > wants > >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > >>> wanted, > >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > >>> You > >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks very much > >>>> > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Bhakar, > >>>>> > >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > >>> don't, > >>>> I had the > >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > >>>> prophet being without > >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > >>> too. > >>>> In the meantime, > >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > >>>> record. ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Haizen , > >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > >>>> family > >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > >>>>>> demanding) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You're a good man. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You are generous. > >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > >>> on > >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > >>>> return ,when > >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > >>> Ego > >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > >>>> demand > >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > >>>> acknowledgement > >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > >>>>>> supposed to > >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > >>> person > >>>>>> comes > >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > >>>> search > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > >>> leaves > >>>>>> after > >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > >>> to > >>>>>> another > >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > >>> advice, > >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > >>>> can > >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > >>> demand, > >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > >>>>>>>> demanding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> , "haizen" > >>> <haizen@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>>>>>>>> course. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --- In > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > >>> Your > >>>>>> possible > >>>>>>>> birth > >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > >>> made > >>>> me > >>>>>> real > >>>>>>>> happy. > >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > >>> claps > >>>> he > >>>>>> gets > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>>>>>>>>> God bless , > >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > >>>> 9:56 > >>>>>> 32n06 > >>>>>>>> 34e47. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they > >>> do? > >>>>>>>>>>> My religious nature? > >>>>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > >>>>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > >>>>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my > >>>> life. > >>>>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > > __________ > FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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