Why not varnasrama?

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Jiva Tattva Prabhu, its a little out of order to say:

 

> My humble opinion is that our ISKCON devotees have a big, big problem,

> that is that if they are no qualified brahmanas or take sannyasi,

 

Have you personally met all the sannyasis and brahmanas in ISKCON and know

their character first hand? If not, then your statement has no real

credibility, it is just a sweeping statement that goes against all else good

that you might say. We need to understand Varnasrama, but that cannot be

achieved by making unfounded statements.

 

I know many devotees in ISKCON, and I've seen many go back to Godhead

without doubt, and I can confidently say there are many very highly

qualified devotees in our Society. Im not saying all is perfect but its not

all imperfect either. Even in its present state ISKCON has all the

ingredients to empower any sincere soul to go back to Godhead in this very

life time, and that is happening.

 

Varnasrama is the tool for reaching and giving EVERYONE Krishna, and it is

not so easy to implement, but it has to be done eventually...

 

 

> > > > How about first defining WHAT is varnasrama? Then HOW should it be

> > > > implemented?

> > > >

> > > > It is a debatable issue that draws a wide variety of answers to the

> > > > above questions.

> > >

> > > Hare Krishna Prabhus!

> > >

> > > Humbly I will try to give a answer. Varnasrama is a kind of social

> > > organization which include all kind of people according to their

> > > professional tendencies (varna) and state of life (asrama), with the

> > > goal of reach love for God. The materialist also use it for

> > > organization.

> > >

> > > The purpose of a society or the varnasrama (according to Srila

> > > Bhaktivinode Thakura) are to fulfil the four main needs of the sadaka,

> > > that is: maintain the body in good health, improving the faculty of

> > > mind, promoting social well-being, and learning the science of the

> > > Self, all conducive to practice pure devotional service.

> > >

> > > In your service,

> > >

> > > Jiva Tattva das

>

>

> >

> > one version of varnasrama being presented is that a group of devotees

> > go to the country and set up a village with no electricity and so on

> > .... but if it excludes the cities then how can it be varnasrama which

> > is supposed to include everyone?

>

> My humble opinion is that our ISKCON devotees have a big, big problem,

> that is that if they are no qualified brahmanas or take sannyasi, (there

> are more exception like the devotees who work in BBT that generally gain a

> salary and medical security and others that can dovetail in the temple),

> they are force to fulfill their basic familiar necessities in the

> materialist society, . However S. Prabhupada advise us: para-upakara means

> mass benefit, no a certain section... that means small scale... Then, we

> have to introduce this varnasrama... according to Krishna´s instruction,

> if you want to do it in a large scale for the benefit of the whole human

> society"

>

> My understanding is that Prabhupada bougth about a dozen of big farms to

> start to make our own Society, or organized village, however now are

> practically empty, and the devotees along their children and families

> going to buy a house to live, with a mortgage for 20 years. I think it´s

> the biggest managerial fail in all our ISKCON. Prabhupada will chastise

> all of us, from the first to the last devote of ISKCON. Even the karmis at

> all the times knowed how to live together, making a church and a village

> around, now they do urbanizations, but with the Bank, shops and cinemas in

> the centre.

>

> First to go to try to install the varnasrama in the city, I think we have

> to install in our ISKCON, probably we will recover hundred of devotees.

> "We will start for our farmsif they see that we are living better that

> them, they will feel atract" said Prabhupada.

>

> Your servant,

>

> Jiva Tattva das