Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 > Are there any somewhat ideal varnasrama examples anywhere in ISKCON? There are a few essential ingredients which have been missing. The gurukula system of education is one. We have not done well in that area. One reason may be that when it was started, so I have been told, the best devotees were pressured to go on book distribution and those that were failures anywhere else were sent to the farms and schools. Schools did not make money to fuel the zonal acaryas (irresponsible princes?) ever growing hunger for 'big projects'. We all make mistakes and after all, those "acaryas" had at most 10 years devotional experience when they became "all seeing" gurus. Prabhupada spoke of thickening the milk, stopping the expansion of ISKCON and concentrating on making our devotees strong and independantly thoughtfull. Pradyumna prabhu (panditji) was one such indpendantly thoughtful person who fell foul of the wrath of the acaryas. Prabhupada said: "Now we have got so many students and so many temples but I am fearful that if we expand too much in this way that we shall become weakened and gradually the whole thing will become lost...So let us concentrate on training our devotees very thoroughly in the knowledge of Krishna Consciousness from our books, from tapes, by discussing always, and in so many ways instruct them in the right propositions."Letter to Hansadutta '72 This never happened. Instead once Prabhupada left us, the zonal acaryas continued ramping up the expansion, even instituting 'sikha points' to measure the amount of new recruits made in ever increasing competition. I was at the manor from '76 to '79 and remember how they 'blooped' almost as fast as they joined. If we look at the examples of cases where Prabhupada instructed his disciples to implement certain begginings of his varnasrama plan, we find that some disciples agreed to fulfill Prabhupadas desires. To date they are yet unfulfilled. The Amish have noticed that if a child is not brought up working on the land, he wont take to it when he is an adult. There is something about mud rain and wind that is difficult to surrender to when you have grown up in a warm dry environment in your childhood. Therefore one prerequisite for varnasrama is appropriate education for our kids. In traditional societies, the varna training is done in a family environment. A carpenters son works with his carpenter father in the yard, and becomes competent not only as a carpenter, but also he matures in his dealings with all other levels of society as he interacts with them along with his father. It has been shown that schooling systems wherein children only associate with children their own age create immature adults. Shopkeeper kids (vaisyas) also learn on the job with their families. You can find 9 year old kids in india as sharp as any salesman in the world. Vaisya farm kids learn on the farm. Ksatriya kids learn with other ksatriyas. Independant brahmanas thrive in villages where the grihastas recognise their importance, and support them with generous donations. Those brahmanas teach freely. Prabhupada described that we should give land to devotees and train them to work that land. The varnasrama system allows that such land remains with the family that utilises it as long as it is fully utilised. This has never been done. If we spent as much energy getting people situated on land training them, and thus providing an honourable livlihood, as we did force them out to do books we may have the beginnings of a varnasama society now. When Srila Prabhupada wrote his essay on Gita Nagari back in the late 40's or early 50's, he described how a 'Gita Nagari' village would need to be heavily subsidised by pious 'suchis and srimates'. He recognised that to make daivi varnasrama happen in the current world scene it needs to be fostered by pious people who recognise the need. If our leaders were to recognise what it takes to foster the gradual development of varnasrama, I beleive, as Srila Prabhupada stated, that we can do it. It would of course take many years, and I agree fully, lets do the research. But once it is done, and it need not take that long, who will subsidise it? True daivi varnasrama self sufficciency takes many villages. Your servant Samba das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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