Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 After reading the web site article on astrology, a few reactions surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, I was left feeling (sorry to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed compared to having had Western astrological readings which seem less gloom and doom. The Vedic readings seemed to stress bad things that could/would happen. Specific propitiations were offered, all of which were very costly. There seemed to be great emphasis on gems. One reading recommended that I purchase a 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had lots to say about gems. Then there were the recommendations for having very expensive yagyas done. So...my question is -- is it typical of Vedic readings to lay heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might mention that the Vedic readings were done by really good, reputable joytishis.) Thank you, Karen [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Hi Karen, I've never had one myself (can't afford it). I think the main difference between Western and Jyotis astrology is that Jyotish has a firm grounding in the laws of karma, whereas Western astrology is pretty wishy washy around the whole area of "destiny", and has little if any idea of how to protect one's self from negative influences. It is said that for protection from negative planetary influences the ashuras use gems and the devas use tapas (or mantra, I can't recall which). Most folks kind of fall into the ashura class, I guess, since they can't be bothered to do tapas. Gems are certainly easier (if you can afford them), but I bet tapas is better! Jai Maa! Chris , "forall10q" <forall10q wrote: > > After reading the web site article on astrology, a few reactions > surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, I was left feeling (sorry > to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed compared to having had > Western astrological readings which seem less gloom and doom. The Vedic > readings seemed to stress bad things that could/would happen. Specific > propitiations were offered, all of which were very costly. There seemed > to be great emphasis on gems. One reading recommended that I purchase a > 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had lots to say about gems. > Then there were the recommendations for having very expensive yagyas > done. So...my question is -- is it typical of Vedic readings to lay > heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might mention that the Vedic > readings were done by really good, reputable joytishis.) > > Thank you, > Karen [] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I used to practice jyotish. Gems can emit an astral energy that can be helpful, but practitioners are not always correct in their assessment of which ones to use. Many ideas on this are conflicting. I prefer Swamiji's idea that spiritual practices are the best remedial measures. forall10q <forall10q > wrote: After reading the web site article on astrology, a few reactions surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, I was left feeling (sorry to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed compared to having had Western astrological readings which seem less gloom and doom. The Vedic readings seemed to stress bad things that could/would happen. Specific propitiations were offered, all of which were very costly. There seemed to be great emphasis on gems. One reading recommended that I purchase a 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had lots to say about gems. Then there were the recommendations for having very expensive yagyas done. So...my question is -- is it typical of Vedic readings to lay heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might mention that the Vedic readings were done by really good, reputable joytishis.) Thank you, Karen Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 These are my feelings exactly. Because spiritual practices are the best remedial measures, it seems that not want just any jyotishi should be recommending such things. It seems that only a fairly enlightened being should practice jyotish, someone like Swamiji, for example. Or if spritial practices are the best afterall, why not just do such them and forget jyotish altogether? I find this confusing! [:-/] , Gary <aniruddhan wrote: > > I used to practice jyotish. Gems can emit an astral energy that can be helpful, but practitioners are not always correct in their assessment of which ones to use. Many ideas on this are conflicting. I prefer Swamiji's idea that spiritual practices are the best remedial measures. > > forall10q forall10q wrote: After reading the web site article on astrology, a few reactions surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, I was left feeling (sorry to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed compared to having had Western astrological readings which seem less gloom and doom. The Vedic readings seemed to stress bad things that could/would happen. Specific propitiations were offered, all of which were very costly. There seemed to be great emphasis on gems. One reading recommended that I purchase a 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had lots to say about gems. Then there were the recommendations for having very expensive yagyas done. So...my question is -- is it typical of Vedic readings to lay heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might mention that the Vedic readings were done by really good, reputable joytishis.) > > Thank you, > Karen > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I'm a student of jyotish, so my knowledge is certainly incomplete. However, I feel I can say a few things in response to the question. A really good astrologer who has the blessing of a jyotish parampara and the blessings of Mother Lalita will be able to acurately read the sixteen divisional charts normally used for royalty. With such ability the jyotishi can see past lives, specific karmas and times that deeds produce results. Sometimes this sounds fatalistic, but a good astrologer will also give very specific advice on how to prevent certain problems. Its a blessing to know a really good astrologer. Remedies can include wearing certain colors on certain days, gems, making offerings or doing pujas and japa. Generally,they say you get best results if you do the practice yourself, rather than having a priest do it. But then you may not know the ritual or have the time. Also there should be some logic to the remedy and be based on the jyotish scriptures. , "forall10q" <forall10q wrote: > > These are my feelings exactly. Because spiritual practices are the best > remedial measures, it seems that not want just any jyotishi should be > recommending such things. It seems that only a fairly enlightened being > should practice jyotish, someone like Swamiji, for example. Or if > spritial practices are the best afterall, why not just do such them and > forget jyotish altogether? I find this confusing! [:-/] > , Gary <aniruddhan@> wrote: > > > > I used to practice jyotish. Gems can emit an astral energy that can be > helpful, but practitioners are not always correct in their assessment of > which ones to use. Many ideas on this are conflicting. I prefer > Swamiji's idea that spiritual practices are the best remedial measures. > > > > forall10q forall10q@ wrote: After reading the web site article on > astrology, a few reactions surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, > I was left feeling (sorry to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed > compared to having had Western astrological readings which seem less > gloom and doom. The Vedic readings seemed to stress bad things that > could/would happen. Specific propitiations were offered, all of which > were very costly. There seemed to be great emphasis on gems. One reading > recommended that I purchase a 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had > lots to say about gems. Then there were the recommendations for having > very expensive yagyas done. So...my question is -- is it typical of > Vedic readings to lay heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might > mention that the Vedic readings were done by really good, reputable > joytishis.) > > > > Thank you, > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear Chris & Karen: Aloha. I practice Vedic Astrology in Hawaii, and have a few comments for you. Vedic Astology is helpful to point out the lessons we are here to learn in this life, and when they will materialize as determined by the dashas or planetary periods. For example, during a Saturn dasha, one may be presented with the opportunity to learn "Saturnish" things such as discipline, hard work, focus, austerities -- all which are excellent qualities for spiritual growth and doing tapas. So even Saturn ultimately guides us to the ultimate in life or enlightenment. Of course, the lessons from Saturn will be either very smooth or difficult depending on how Saturn is presented in your chart -- either as a functional benefic or a malefic. Do not be disheartened by suggested remedies that seem to be out of your reach. There are many "remedies" that are very simple and available for you to do at little or no cost. You mentioned a Diamond was prescribed which would indicate your Venus needs strenthening. Simple remedies are to perform "seva" or service to others on Fridays (Venus day), fasting or semi-fast (fruit/milk) on a Friday and to recite Venus mantras on Fridays (108 or one mala minimum) -- these all gain the favor from the planet and will elevate your energy as well. Of course, devotion and spiritual practices are always important on a daily basis also. One CD that I recommend to clients is the "Mantras of the Nine Planets" from the Mandir (http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal- 4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/107) -- the mantras by Shree Maa are truly divine and will uplift you. You can listen to the Sukra or Venus mantras on Fridays for good effect, but all the mantras are wonderful and can be listened to regularly. I hope this will be helpful to you. Namaste and Aloha, Jill (Sai Yogini) , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956 wrote: > > Hi Karen, > > I've never had one myself (can't afford it). I think the main > difference between Western and Jyotis astrology is that Jyotish has a > firm grounding in the laws of karma, whereas Western astrology is > pretty wishy washy around the whole area of "destiny", and has little > if any idea of how to protect one's self from negative influences. > > It is said that for protection from negative planetary influences the > ashuras use gems and the devas use tapas (or mantra, I can't recall > which). Most folks kind of fall into the ashura class, I guess, since > they can't be bothered to do tapas. Gems are certainly easier (if you > can afford them), but I bet tapas is better! > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > , "forall10q" <forall10q@> wrote: > > > > After reading the web site article on astrology, a few reactions > > surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, I was left feeling (sorry > > to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed compared to having had > > Western astrological readings which seem less gloom and doom. The Vedic > > readings seemed to stress bad things that could/would happen. Specific > > propitiations were offered, all of which were very costly. There seemed > > to be great emphasis on gems. One reading recommended that I purchase a > > 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had lots to say about gems. > > Then there were the recommendations for having very expensive yagyas > > done. So...my question is -- is it typical of Vedic readings to lay > > heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might mention that the Vedic > > readings were done by really good, reputable joytishis.) > > > > Thank you, > > Karen [] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Namaste` Yogini, This was a very kind and helpful post. Jai Maa , "jedwards74" <jilledwards108 wrote: > > Dear Chris & Karen: > > Aloha. I practice Vedic Astrology in Hawaii, and have a few comments > for you. Vedic Astology is helpful to point out the lessons we are > here to learn in this life, and when they will materialize as > determined by the dashas or planetary periods. For example, during > a Saturn dasha, one may be presented with the opportunity to > learn "Saturnish" things such as discipline, hard work, focus, > austerities -- all which are excellent qualities for spiritual > growth and doing tapas. So even Saturn ultimately guides us to the > ultimate in life or enlightenment. Of course, the lessons from > Saturn will be either very smooth or difficult depending on how > Saturn is presented in your chart -- either as a functional benefic > or a malefic. > > Do not be disheartened by suggested remedies that seem to be out of > your reach. There are many "remedies" that are very simple and > available for you to do at little or no cost. You mentioned a > Diamond was prescribed which would indicate your Venus needs > strenthening. Simple remedies are to perform "seva" or service to > others on Fridays (Venus day), fasting or semi-fast (fruit/milk) on > a Friday and to recite Venus mantras on Fridays (108 or one mala > minimum) -- these all gain the favor from the planet and will > elevate your energy as well. Of course, devotion and spiritual > practices are always important on a daily basis also. > > One CD that I recommend to clients is the "Mantras of the Nine > Planets" from the Mandir (http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal- > 4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/107) -- the mantras by Shree Maa are truly > divine and will uplift you. You can listen to the Sukra or Venus > mantras on Fridays for good effect, but all the mantras are > wonderful and can be listened to regularly. > > I hope this will be helpful to you. > Namaste and Aloha, Jill (Sai Yogini) > > > > , "Chris Kirner" > <chriskirner1956@> wrote: > > > > Hi Karen, > > > > I've never had one myself (can't afford it). I think the main > > difference between Western and Jyotis astrology is that Jyotish > has a > > firm grounding in the laws of karma, whereas Western astrology is > > pretty wishy washy around the whole area of "destiny", and has > little > > if any idea of how to protect one's self from negative influences. > > > > It is said that for protection from negative planetary influences > the > > ashuras use gems and the devas use tapas (or mantra, I can't recall > > which). Most folks kind of fall into the ashura class, I guess, > since > > they can't be bothered to do tapas. Gems are certainly easier (if > you > > can afford them), but I bet tapas is better! > > > > Jai Maa! > > Chris > > > > > > , "forall10q" <forall10q@> wrote: > > > > > > After reading the web site article on astrology, a few reactions > > > surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, I was left feeling > (sorry > > > to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed compared to having had > > > Western astrological readings which seem less gloom and doom. > The Vedic > > > readings seemed to stress bad things that could/would happen. > Specific > > > propitiations were offered, all of which were very costly. > There seemed > > > to be great emphasis on gems. One reading recommended that I > purchase a > > > 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had lots to say about > gems. > > > Then there were the recommendations for having very expensive > yagyas > > > done. So...my question is -- is it typical of Vedic readings > to lay > > > heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might mention that the > Vedic > > > readings were done by really good, reputable joytishis.) > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Karen [] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Jai Maa, It is been duly reasearched by many renowned astrologers that for increasing the effect of a particular planet, its power shall be increased by using the related things/gems. Mantras for planet are used only for reducing their ill effect. So for eg. if a venus mantra is used in condition when venus is placed good but has less power, the mantra will not help but using gem will help. However, other remedies can help to increase the effect of venus that is "lakshmi Poojan". Regards Sadhu Maa <sadumaa > wrote: Namaste` Yogini, This was a very kind and helpful post. Jai Maa , "jedwards74" <jilledwards108 wrote: > > Dear Chris & Karen: > > Aloha. I practice Vedic Astrology in Hawaii, and have a few comments > for you. Vedic Astology is helpful to point out the lessons we are > here to learn in this life, and when they will materialize as > determined by the dashas or planetary periods. For example, during > a Saturn dasha, one may be presented with the opportunity to > learn "Saturnish" things such as discipline, hard work, focus, > austerities -- all which are excellent qualities for spiritual > growth and doing tapas. So even Saturn ultimately guides us to the > ultimate in life or enlightenment. Of course, the lessons from > Saturn will be either very smooth or difficult depending on how > Saturn is presented in your chart -- either as a functional benefic > or a malefic. > > Do not be disheartened by suggested remedies that seem to be out of > your reach. There are many "remedies" that are very simple and > available for you to do at little or no cost. You mentioned a > Diamond was prescribed which would indicate your Venus needs > strenthening. Simple remedies are to perform "seva" or service to > others on Fridays (Venus day), fasting or semi-fast (fruit/milk) on > a Friday and to recite Venus mantras on Fridays (108 or one mala > minimum) -- these all gain the favor from the planet and will > elevate your energy as well. Of course, devotion and spiritual > practices are always important on a daily basis also. > > One CD that I recommend to clients is the "Mantras of the Nine > Planets" from the Mandir (http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal- > 4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/107) -- the mantras by Shree Maa are truly > divine and will uplift you. You can listen to the Sukra or Venus > mantras on Fridays for good effect, but all the mantras are > wonderful and can be listened to regularly. > > I hope this will be helpful to you. > Namaste and Aloha, Jill (Sai Yogini) > > > > , "Chris Kirner" > <chriskirner1956@> wrote: > > > > Hi Karen, > > > > I've never had one myself (can't afford it). I think the main > > difference between Western and Jyotis astrology is that Jyotish > has a > > firm grounding in the laws of karma, whereas Western astrology is > > pretty wishy washy around the whole area of "destiny", and has > little > > if any idea of how to protect one's self from negative influences. > > > > It is said that for protection from negative planetary influences > the > > ashuras use gems and the devas use tapas (or mantra, I can't recall > > which). Most folks kind of fall into the ashura class, I guess, > since > > they can't be bothered to do tapas. Gems are certainly easier (if > you > > can afford them), but I bet tapas is better! > > > > Jai Maa! > > Chris > > > > > > , "forall10q" <forall10q@> wrote: > > > > > > After reading the web site article on astrology, a few reactions > > > surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, I was left feeling > (sorry > > > to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed compared to having had > > > Western astrological readings which seem less gloom and doom. > The Vedic > > > readings seemed to stress bad things that could/would happen. > Specific > > > propitiations were offered, all of which were very costly. > There seemed > > > to be great emphasis on gems. One reading recommended that I > purchase a > > > 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had lots to say about > gems. > > > Then there were the recommendations for having very expensive > yagyas > > > done. So...my question is -- is it typical of Vedic readings > to lay > > > heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might mention that the > Vedic > > > readings were done by really good, reputable joytishis.) > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Karen [] > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 It is indeed sad that some of the con-artists tend to go overboard to offer sale/ use of gems and costly "propitiating" activities, to no avail. Needless to add, there will be always few gullible and naive followers of these callous "astrolgers' who can rack up big $$ when they see someone , so tender, wounded or ready to be "taken". As our dear Swamji has often said, practice of austere sankalp, done with sincere devotion and full unflinching faith in the powers above us will certianly go a long way in alleviating all forms of obstacles, including mental turmoil and anguish. Faith in the Maha Mritunjay mantram, or Gayathri or Shodasha nava-varanams or ashta-thik Durga Mayee and simple repetitions of ishta devatha mantrams will cure even the most difficult phases of shani and durbalams. JAI MAA!! babu krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Yes, Babu. This is the main reason I stopped practicing jyotish. Our karma is of our own creation and the divine plan is for it to help us grow in wisdom and realization. Pleasant experiences can make us grateful to and mindful of God, while unpleasant ones can help us learn the lessons we need to learn, while prodding us to seek refuge and solace in the divine. God has no karma, and as we become more divine ourselves, God's grace will alleviate our karmic difficulties. As Jesus said, "she loves much, so much is forgiven." narayanan krishnan <babuk1008 > wrote: It is indeed sad that some of the con-artists tend to go overboard to offer sale/ use of gems and costly "propitiating" activities, to no avail. Needless to add, there will be always few gullible and naive followers of these callous "astrolgers' who can rack up big $$ when they see someone , so tender, wounded or ready to be "taken". As our dear Swamji has often said, practice of austere sankalp, done with sincere devotion and full unflinching faith in the powers above us will certianly go a long way in alleviating all forms of obstacles, including mental turmoil and anguish. Faith in the Maha Mritunjay mantram, or Gayathri or Shodasha nava-varanams or ashta-thik Durga Mayee and simple repetitions of ishta devatha mantrams will cure even the most difficult phases of shani and durbalams. JAI MAA!! babu krishnan Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Thanks for your comments, Chris! The web site discussion of astrology (I mean shreemaa.org) started me thinking about organic and biodynamic farming/gardening. If astrology could be used that way, the way that we use planetary influences to plant, that's amazingly harmonious. It's a joy and a comfort and provides total attunement with Mother Earth and her outerspace buddies. I would love to find more of that kind of astrology. Tapas or mantras, as you mention, are terrific, feel-good solutions that make a person feel whole and part at the same time. Touching the stones (my gems) from my garden feels right but just buying stuff, whether it be gems or pujas or yagyas feels not only superstitious but downright the wrong thing to do. Thank you, Karen [] , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956 wrote: > > Hi Karen, > > I've never had one myself (can't afford it). I think the main > difference between Western and Jyotis astrology is that Jyotish has a > firm grounding in the laws of karma, whereas Western astrology is > pretty wishy washy around the whole area of "destiny", and has little > if any idea of how to protect one's self from negative influences. > > It is said that for protection from negative planetary influences the > ashuras use gems and the devas use tapas (or mantra, I can't recall > which). Most folks kind of fall into the ashura class, I guess, since > they can't be bothered to do tapas. Gems are certainly easier (if you > can afford them), but I bet tapas is better! > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > , "forall10q" forall10q@ wrote: > > > > After reading the web site article on astrology, a few reactions > > surfaced. Having had several Vedic readings, I was left feeling (sorry > > to say) negative and scarily overwhelmed compared to having had > > Western astrological readings which seem less gloom and doom. The Vedic > > readings seemed to stress bad things that could/would happen. Specific > > propitiations were offered, all of which were very costly. There seemed > > to be great emphasis on gems. One reading recommended that I purchase a > > 3-caret diamond! All my Vedic readings had lots to say about gems. > > Then there were the recommendations for having very expensive yagyas > > done. So...my question is -- is it typical of Vedic readings to lay > > heavy stress on costly propitiations? (I might mention that the Vedic > > readings were done by really good, reputable joytishis.) > > > > Thank you, > > Karen [] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I learned a lot from the following post. However, I am ignorant about the meaning of several words and phrases. May I ask please what the following words mean? Shodasha nava-varanams, ashta-thik Durga Mayee, difficult phases of shani and durbalams. Thank you, Karen [] , narayanan krishnan <babuk1008 wrote: > > It is indeed sad that some of the con-artists tend to go overboard to offer sale/ use of gems and costly "propitiating" activities, to no avail. Needless to add, there will be always few gullible and naive followers of these callous "astrolgers' who can rack up big $$ when they see someone , so tender, wounded or ready to be "taken". > As our dear Swamji has often said, practice of austere sankalp, done with sincere devotion and full unflinching faith in the powers above us will certianly go a long way in alleviating all forms of obstacles, including mental turmoil and anguish. Faith in the Maha Mritunjay mantram, or Gayathri or Shodasha nava-varanams or ashta-thik Durga Mayee and simple repetitions of ishta devatha mantrams will cure even the most difficult phases of shani and durbalams. > JAI MAA!! > > babu krishnan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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