Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery wrote: advaitin, "subrahmanian_v" <subrahmanian_v@> wrote: > > advaitin, "shyam_md" <shyam_md@> wrote: > > Srigurubhyo NamaH > Namaste Shyam ji, > > Thank you for the very thought-provoking response. Here is yet > another `evidence' of Ishwara gracing this group. How timely is that > post of Sri Sund > Shyam says: > Is jnana vrtti "aham brahmasmi" some kind of > experience or experiential state is what is being > considered. > > I have a few questions, and am eager to hear your learned and > erudite opinions and thoughts. > > Since the vastu is selfexisting and is in fact the only thing > existing and realization amouts to the recognition of the vastu as > my true self, who would be the "experiencer" of that experience? Namaste, It seems to me that investing too heavily in the concept of Iswara tends to replace the idea of oneself with the idea of another self without realisation. Iswara is the illusory sum total of all the jivas, the Universal Mind if you wish. I understand one becomes the Sakti on realisation but also simultaneously realises Nirguna Brahman, all that is left is the body and the creation; which essentially disappears as never having happened at all..Ajativada! I'm not saying it is wrong to worship or attribute some reality to Iswara but it is only a step, a step that can be jumped over by 'Who am I?' So going to the inside instead of the outside....ONS..Tony. This is my last post for a couple of weeks as I will be in Cuba. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery wrote: > > advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery@> wrote: > > advaitin, "subrahmanian_v" > <subrahmanian_v@> wrote: > > > > advaitin, "shyam_md" <shyam_md@> wrote: > > > > Srigurubhyo NamaH > > Namaste Shyam ji, > > > > Thank you for the very thought-provoking response. Here is yet > > another `evidence' of Ishwara gracing this group. How timely is > that > > post of Sri Sund > > Shyam says: > > Is jnana vrtti "aham brahmasmi" some kind of > > experience or experiential state is what is being > > considered. > > > > I have a few questions, and am eager to hear your learned and > > erudite opinions and thoughts. > > > > Since the vastu is selfexisting and is in fact the only thing > > existing and realization amouts to the recognition of the vastu as > > my true self, who would be the "experiencer" of that experience? > > Namaste, > > It seems to me that investing too heavily in the concept of Iswara > tends to replace the idea of oneself with the idea of another self > without realisation. Iswara is the illusory sum total of all the > jivas, the Universal Mind if you wish. I understand one becomes the > Sakti on realisation but also simultaneously realises Nirguna > Brahman, all that is left is the body and the creation; which > essentially disappears as never having happened at all..Ajativada! > > I'm not saying it is wrong to worship or attribute some reality to > Iswara but it is only a step, a step that can be jumped over by 'Who > am I?' So going to the inside instead of the outside....ONS..Tony. > > This is my last post for a couple of weeks as I will be in Cuba. > > --- End forwarded message --- > I am the unveiled dance of awareness I am the emptiness of being filled with hope I am endless dreams of lovers and schemers and how dreams end without beginning, I am a bright vision of nothing embraced in loving arms, the ripe aftertaste of tongues melting in the dark. I am the solitude of wheatfields swaying under blue skies longing for the taste of bread made holy in sacred hearts I am the harmony of how grapes surrender and suffer a fine wine, I am its bittersweet cup held in the memory of fear, I am salt-filled tears flowing in the sweet milk of human kindness and how these shall ever combine, I am the attar of what remains when the shadow of One Life is crushed in the visitation of All Life. I am a necklace of human skulls. I am Kali. Love, Anna 8/18/06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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