Guest guest Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 > B) Mahahradanath. (It take me couple of rounds to understand, that he is > being sarcastic. I wasn´t being sarcastic in this monkey parable, i was very serious. I am convinced that everything even very high accomplishment become a trap if the ego attachment and pride sets in. Whatever it was you experienced it instanly becomes useless if you grab it and try to hold on to it. Shakti is constantly moving and our experiences are ever changing, holding on to the phenomena claiming "I" and "mine" is the way our day to day consciousness works, but this is only a trap in our sadhana. Becoming aware of that monkey reflex is an important work if we want to progress. This is all i want to express in all my postings at the moment. It is not about who is right or wrong it is all about why we are so much attached to name and form to grab into the coconut and cant escape with only peanuts in our hands. This is not sarcasm this is really "serious shit man" Mahahradanatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Dear Lulu, I would like you to read this slowly and think about it. There is one thing that i shure amongst all the uncertainities of life, that once you have been born you will die. It is like that with all other things also everything that has a beginning will some day end. It is thus with all your experiences, including the real impressive ones, First there is only an impulse unconcscious of itself, than the impression becomes formulated and you experience something, then you watch it and after a while a new impulse sets in, this is the way consciousness and nature interact. For me it is not important if someone realises self, or emptiness or experiences samadhis or satoris as the zen masters, or whether he has drunk too much liquor, i grieveing because his wife left him or cooking a nice meal, There is something that HAS all these experiences, lets call him the experiencer, normally we do not notice him because he is all the time busy experiencing something so that he has no spare time to notice that he exist because he is so fascinated by all his experiences. What is important to me is not to have the greatest biggest possible experience call this the ultimate experience. This is not something special we do this all the time while watching tv, listen to our favorite music whatever for that moment if we really love the action it is the ultimate experience. Thats why there are religions, fanclubs of rock stars, mortorcycle clubs, freemasons etc, people gather around experiences they consider ultimate. the more intense the experience has been the more we are interested to share it and the harder it will be to realise that it is part of a fleeting world that is constantly creating new forms this world in How i understand shakta and shaiva religion this world substance and all its forms is one form of shakti. One aim isas far as i am able tounderstand it, is to let loose of all attachment and aversion to the experiences and be able to wact the forms appear and disappear, through all its three stages(ichha impulse jnana apperception kriya finalisation) without hanging on to one experience, because if we do that we suffer when we loose it and we cannot experience bliss as long as we have it, because we are already clutching our monkey fingers aronud it, and are not relaxed enough to let the experience bubble up and disappear. So it is attachment and aversion that hinder us to feel Bliss. Thats why no experience can never be ultimate, to postulate that moksha is a distinct experience that can be experienced by the experiencer is not what the sages meant, at least according to my knowledge. It can consist in the right attitude towards peeling onions or the right attitude towards self realisation, but it is always an attitude never an experience. So thats why it makes no difference if you empty a bottle of wodka or experience samadhi, its the attitude towards the experience that counts in the end. Mahardanatha , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > Dear Mahahradanatha > > As i agree with you that the ego should not be regarded as a seperate and better institution than other egos, in other words, one mirror should not be regarded as a seperate and better institution than other mirrors, if you don't grab your experience by the head, hold on to it, and pass it on in whatever form, to someone else, your experience is useless, because down into the grave, you can't take it, you can, but for someone to digg it out is quite a challenge. > > Lulu > > "Whatever it is you experienced it instanly becomes useless if you > grab it and try to hold on to it". > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Dear Mahardanatha, I don't think I get your point, maybe you would like to speak about your attidude towards the experience of writing an email. Lulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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