Doctoral thesis on social dynamics of Online religious Groups

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Actually, after her 1st couple of messages, i realized that she was just talking in circles, and leaving messages of absolutely NO substance. It was starting to become very annoying, and i then began to delete the messages everytime I saw them. I didn't mention anything to the moderators, as i didnt want to sound negative. Nevertheless, it is very difficult for the moderators to assess the seriousness of participants in this kind of forum. But, thank God someone peeped her game.

JANARDANA DASA

Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote:

Actually now when I look back at the emails, I realise that you are very right, Devi. When ever I asked a question, she always turns it around, and gives it back to me... That is because she has no clue of what I am talking, so all she does is throws the question back at me..

 

Man I have been duped again.. But better late then never..

 

Thanks and Regards

Dp

 

--- On 8/10/06, NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote:

>

> , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong

> wrote:

> >

> > I agree with what you see, this lulu likes to be a teacher, but as

> long as she is a trainee, she is a trainee and not a teacher.

> >

> > Beside, making a distinction would be against her knowledge, that

> in

> the beginning and in the end all identities are the same.

> >

> > Lulu

> >

>

> This is my observations : You designs an intrinsically meaningless

> post, posts it in all different sorts of religious groups, and

> monitors what meaning the various groups attribute to the

> meaningless. In that sense, you are holding up a mirror. A mirror

> has no content. It contains only what each viewer temporarily places

> in it. Your post have no content, they are meaningless constructions

> and the experiment is to see what meaning ppl give it.

 

 

 

 

 

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, Janardana Dasa

<lightdweller wrote:

>

> Actually, after her 1st couple of messages, i realized that she

was just talking in circles, and leaving messages of absolutely NO

substance. It was starting to become very annoying, and i then

began to delete the messages everytime I saw them. I didn't mention

anything to the moderators, as i didnt want to sound negative.

Nevertheless, it is very difficult for the moderators to assess the

seriousness of participants in this kind of forum. But, thank God

someone peeped her game.

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

> Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh wrote:

> Actually now when I look back at the emails, I realise

that you are very right, Devi. When ever I asked a question, she

always turns it around, and gives it back to me... That is because

she has no clue of what I am talking, so all she does is throws the

question back at me..

>

> Man I have been duped again.. But better late then never..

 

 

 

Now this is what I see. Lulu is a good teacher and her intentions is

good. It must be good. She is trying to find answers or new

techniques

that will help her or future teachers to find a way of how to better

educate our children.

 

 

 

I remember we had this conversation long time ago :

 

Does our spiritual journey ends with Moksa? Is the end is our prime

goal or the process itself.

 

The Process is important. Read this quote "We embody the local eyes

and ears and thoughts of the Universe. We are a way for the Cosmos

to know itself." You see ... we are all cells in Devi's body and

each one that awakens makes Her more alive, not only does She touch

us with Her grace, we send it back to Her, it is a two-way flow You

make Her more conscious; give Her a new set of eyes and ears, and a

new set of hands. You manifest Her ... which is moksha for you ...

but for Her it is more -- She too is happy to have You with Her So

Moksha is not the end of your path; in Sri vidya it is only the

beginning, like everything in Sri Vidya it is practical and logical.

 

Sadhana is like, say, Medical School. If you want to be a doctor,

you can't just be a doctor -- you must learn the intricacies of the

trade. If You want to be Devi there is even more to know ...You must

know Everything or be able to let Every thing flow through you in a

useful way to Her. So this process is important ... but it is just

the training for what is to come not only must we realize our Self,

but we must be able to act on that realization in a way that

usefully furthers Her work or else what good are we? So I think the

process is important, but it is not the end in itself. Just like

medical school is not the end, or law school is not the end it is

just a process of gathering the knowledge and experience we need to

do the work ahead then, once we "graduate" that is perhaps moksha

but still, you get better and better and if you are very good, and

love your work, hopefully you will take it further than it's ever

been taken before.

 

The thing is not just to "realize" it but also to "act" on it. A

doctor, after many years of effort and toil, may find a new cure or

a new process. A lawyer may develop a new legal precedent that makes

the system more just and humane and a sadhak, by becoming two of

Devi's thousand arms, makes Her only more manifest by giving Her two

more eyes, helps Her to see by giving Her two more ears ... etc.

because it must be lonely to be the only One, it's lonely at the

top. And so, by realizing Her, we also bring Her warmth and love.

 

 

I think the problem lies in what we in the medical field terms:

Inform Consent. This is a very sensitive issue for us. We do not

carry out any procedure or clinical testing's on patients without

their knowledge/consent.

 

Perhaps when you go into the cyberspace it is a very different

scenario altogether. Certain rules do not apply in the Cyberspace.

That is a challenge for many researcher I think. Some may say the

cyberspace is an illusion. Friends you make on the internet do not

exist. But again, the computer just do not get switch by itself.

This forum: where does all the words and thoughts come from? There

are people sitting on the other side. Even when you chat over the

messenger, communication is going on. Thoughts transmitted thru and

fro. When there's thoughts transmission, energy too is being

utilized. So how can we say all these are just illusions.

 

Like I joke earlier, in this group, there are different birds

species with different feathers for some mystical [i like to believe

as Mystical actually] reason flock together in this cyberspace

called Shakti Sadhana. When I think about the birds, suddenly

Galapagos Archipelago comes into my mind. And when I read Lulu's

post somehow the whole thing like a puzzle comes into the picture.

[i got the opportunity to read the book The Beak of the Finch by

Jonathan Weiner], and did anybody get the chance to read an article

in the National Geographic entitled: Is Darwin Wrong? Interesting

theories being discuss which fascinates me.

 

 

A lot of people join this group for various reasons. There are those

who just want to find friends. Then there are those who are bored.

They want a place where they can get the attention. Several

Christian and Muslim Missionaries too join our group, for their own

reason too. Perhaps they just want to learn something from us [i

want to believe this very much] And I know many are also serious

Sadhak/Sadhika.

 

Spiritualism is not something you think you can manipulate.

This makes them angry when they feel they are being used as an

object.

 

I like to introduce a book, entitled : The Cybercultures Reader.

Edited by David Bell and Barbara M. Kennedy.

 

The Cybercultures Reader brings together key writings in the

exciting new interdisciplinary field of cyberculture studies,

providing in one volume a comprehensive guide to the ways in which

new technologies are reshaping cultural forms and practices in the

new millennium.

 

The last few day, I've been reading this article to get an

understanding of this Cyberculture.

 

 

 

 

JANARDANA DASA remarked "Nevertheless, it is very difficult for the

moderators to assess the

seriousness of participants in this kind of forum"

 

Yes! Indeed. It is very difficult. Many times I am being asked: This

guy is in another forum, and he never post such silly messages

there, only in Shakti Sadhana. Why is that so? Because the Swami in

that particular group is very strict? The Swami does not like

nonsense messages being posted?

 

And my responses have always been: because we are not like other

groups. We are not Swamis in here. We are householder. Many of us

have children and social commitment. To me even if my daughter asks

silly questions, how can I tell her "do not ask such silly

question?" The last few days she have been asking me; "Ma why do

people die? Why do people kill other people". You tend to wonder,

what does this young innocent mind has seen that make her to ask

such questions.

 

As parents it is a challenge for us to try to find answers to these

questions. Make it simple so that this young innocent mind is able

to grasp it. How does a child learn? A child learnt through play. So

being serious sometimes may not be the answer. Many have asked me :

how is your little girl? And I joke, she is growing up. Growing up

so fast that I look forward for the day when she will bring a

horrible looking young man home to introduce to us, I [ as the

mother] will get into distress obviously, but to her he is the most

charming being very walk on this earth. As parent we eventually have

to grow.

 

And that is what we all must do : GROW.

 

 

Think of the goodness, and goodness will come to us.

[Guest guest]

Doctoral thesis on social dynamics of Online religious Groups

 

I think this is a far fetched assumption, or is it a joke?

 

I think it is a cultural problem, i am living in europe and we have a

craze here of self realised,

It all began with papaji and the "satsanghs" now we gave in evry

major city literally thousands of self realised.

Nowadays groups of people meet and there are one or more self

realsied and they started talking like lulu, or the ask mystci

questions and the people taking part in the satsangh have to answer,

some just sits and smile, in every satsangh a few become self

realsied "boom" just like that,sometimes one but somties also 10 or

12, usually the satsangh leader gets darshan = money and more and

more people begin to earn aliving by this.

This is a veritable mass hysteria, since everybody of those who have

enough followers write a bookthey have their own fast literature by

now, which is written in the style lulu uses.

some information:

http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ysatsang.htm

some of the smaller mor crazy types:

http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/RatingsN.htm

this guy is into the mirror stuff:

http://www.bryanwalton.com/products.htm

[Guest guest]

sorry for the chain posting but here you can see the mixed stuff, some

good, like nisarggdatta maharaj and osme really crazy in my opinion.

Bow this webstie is quality picked, if these are the serious imagine

those of lesser quality.

http://www.nonduality.com/

[Guest guest]

I have to correct the typing, i will delete the old posting either

something is wrong with my keyboard my brain or my fingers

 

> sorry for the chain posting but here you can see the mixed stuff,

>some

> good, like nisarggdatta maharaj and some really crazy in my opinion.

> Now this webstie is quality picked, if these are the serious imagine

> those of lesser quality.

> http://www.nonduality.com/

>

[Guest guest]

Beautiful! Very sweet!

 

Jai Maa!

 

Surya

-

NMadasamy

Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:08 PM

Re: Doctoral thesis on social dynamics of Online religious Groups

 

 

, Janardana Dasa

<lightdweller wrote:

>

> Actually, after her 1st couple of messages, i realized that she

was just talking in circles, and leaving messages of absolutely NO

substance. It was starting to become very annoying, and i then

began to delete the messages everytime I saw them. I didn't mention

anything to the moderators, as i didnt want to sound negative.

Nevertheless, it is very difficult for the moderators to assess the

seriousness of participants in this kind of forum. But, thank God

someone peeped her game.

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

> Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh wrote:

> Actually now when I look back at the emails, I realise

that you are very right, Devi. When ever I asked a question, she

always turns it around, and gives it back to me... That is because

she has no clue of what I am talking, so all she does is throws the

question back at me..

>

> Man I have been duped again.. But better late then never..

 

Now this is what I see. Lulu is a good teacher and her intentions is

good. It must be good. She is trying to find answers or new

techniques

that will help her or future teachers to find a way of how to better

educate our children.

 

I remember we had this conversation long time ago :

 

Does our spiritual journey ends with Moksa? Is the end is our prime

goal or the process itself.

 

The Process is important. Read this quote "We embody the local eyes

and ears and thoughts of the Universe. We are a way for the Cosmos

to know itself." You see ... we are all cells in Devi's body and

each one that awakens makes Her more alive, not only does She touch

us with Her grace, we send it back to Her, it is a two-way flow You

make Her more conscious; give Her a new set of eyes and ears, and a

new set of hands. You manifest Her ... which is moksha for you ...

but for Her it is more -- She too is happy to have You with Her So

Moksha is not the end of your path; in Sri vidya it is only the

beginning, like everything in Sri Vidya it is practical and logical.

 

Sadhana is like, say, Medical School. If you want to be a doctor,

you can't just be a doctor -- you must learn the intricacies of the

trade. If You want to be Devi there is even more to know ...You must

know Everything or be able to let Every thing flow through you in a

useful way to Her. So this process is important ... but it is just

the training for what is to come not only must we realize our Self,

but we must be able to act on that realization in a way that

usefully furthers Her work or else what good are we? So I think the

process is important, but it is not the end in itself. Just like

medical school is not the end, or law school is not the end it is

just a process of gathering the knowledge and experience we need to

do the work ahead then, once we "graduate" that is perhaps moksha

but still, you get better and better and if you are very good, and

love your work, hopefully you will take it further than it's ever

been taken before.

 

The thing is not just to "realize" it but also to "act" on it. A

doctor, after many years of effort and toil, may find a new cure or

a new process. A lawyer may develop a new legal precedent that makes

the system more just and humane and a sadhak, by becoming two of

Devi's thousand arms, makes Her only more manifest by giving Her two

more eyes, helps Her to see by giving Her two more ears ... etc.

because it must be lonely to be the only One, it's lonely at the

top. And so, by realizing Her, we also bring Her warmth and love.

 

I think the problem lies in what we in the medical field terms:

Inform Consent. This is a very sensitive issue for us. We do not

carry out any procedure or clinical testing's on patients without

their knowledge/consent.

 

Perhaps when you go into the cyberspace it is a very different

scenario altogether. Certain rules do not apply in the Cyberspace.

That is a challenge for many researcher I think. Some may say the

cyberspace is an illusion. Friends you make on the internet do not

exist. But again, the computer just do not get switch by itself.

This forum: where does all the words and thoughts come from? There

are people sitting on the other side. Even when you chat over the

messenger, communication is going on. Thoughts transmitted thru and

fro. When there's thoughts transmission, energy too is being

utilized. So how can we say all these are just illusions.

 

Like I joke earlier, in this group, there are different birds

species with different feathers for some mystical [i like to believe

as Mystical actually] reason flock together in this cyberspace

called Shakti Sadhana. When I think about the birds, suddenly

Galapagos Archipelago comes into my mind. And when I read Lulu's

post somehow the whole thing like a puzzle comes into the picture.

[i got the opportunity to read the book The Beak of the Finch by

Jonathan Weiner], and did anybody get the chance to read an article

in the National Geographic entitled: Is Darwin Wrong? Interesting

theories being discuss which fascinates me.

 

A lot of people join this group for various reasons. There are those

who just want to find friends. Then there are those who are bored.

They want a place where they can get the attention. Several

Christian and Muslim Missionaries too join our group, for their own

reason too. Perhaps they just want to learn something from us [i

want to believe this very much] And I know many are also serious

Sadhak/Sadhika.

 

Spiritualism is not something you think you can manipulate.

This makes them angry when they feel they are being used as an

object.

 

I like to introduce a book, entitled : The Cybercultures Reader.

Edited by David Bell and Barbara M. Kennedy.

 

The Cybercultures Reader brings together key writings in the

exciting new interdisciplinary field of cyberculture studies,

providing in one volume a comprehensive guide to the ways in which

new technologies are reshaping cultural forms and practices in the

new millennium.

 

The last few day, I've been reading this article to get an

understanding of this Cyberculture.

 

JANARDANA DASA remarked "Nevertheless, it is very difficult for the

moderators to assess the

seriousness of participants in this kind of forum"

 

Yes! Indeed. It is very difficult. Many times I am being asked: This

guy is in another forum, and he never post such silly messages

there, only in Shakti Sadhana. Why is that so? Because the Swami in

that particular group is very strict? The Swami does not like

nonsense messages being posted?

 

And my responses have always been: because we are not like other

groups. We are not Swamis in here. We are householder. Many of us

have children and social commitment. To me even if my daughter asks

silly questions, how can I tell her "do not ask such silly

question?" The last few days she have been asking me; "Ma why do

people die? Why do people kill other people". You tend to wonder,

what does this young innocent mind has seen that make her to ask

such questions.

 

As parents it is a challenge for us to try to find answers to these

questions. Make it simple so that this young innocent mind is able

to grasp it. How does a child learn? A child learnt through play. So

being serious sometimes may not be the answer. Many have asked me :

how is your little girl? And I joke, she is growing up. Growing up

so fast that I look forward for the day when she will bring a

horrible looking young man home to introduce to us, I [ as the

mother] will get into distress obviously, but to her he is the most

charming being very walk on this earth. As parent we eventually have

to grow.

 

And that is what we all must do : GROW.

 

Think of the goodness, and goodness will come to us.

[Guest guest]

On 8/11/06, Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> Beautiful! Very sweet!

 

 

Indeed. Very Beautiful.

 

Thanks and Regards

Dp

 

 

Jai Maa!

>

> Surya

> -

> NMadasamy

>

> Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:08 PM

> Re: Doctoral thesis on social dynamics of

> Online religious Groups

>

>

> , Janardana Dasa

> <lightdweller wrote:

> >

> > Actually, after her 1st couple of messages, i realized that she

> was just talking in circles, and leaving messages of absolutely NO

> substance. It was starting to become very annoying, and i then

> began to delete the messages everytime I saw them. I didn't mention

> anything to the moderators, as i didnt want to sound negative.

> Nevertheless, it is very difficult for the moderators to assess the

> seriousness of participants in this kind of forum. But, thank God

> someone peeped her game.

> >

> > JANARDANA DASA

> >

> > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh wrote:

> > Actually now when I look back at the emails, I realise

> that you are very right, Devi. When ever I asked a question, she

> always turns it around, and gives it back to me... That is because

> she has no clue of what I am talking, so all she does is throws the

> question back at me..

> >

> > Man I have been duped again.. But better late then never..

>

> Now this is what I see. Lulu is a good teacher and her intentions is

> good. It must be good. She is trying to find answers or new

> techniques

> that will help her or future teachers to find a way of how to better

> educate our children.

>

> I remember we had this conversation long time ago :

>

> Does our spiritual journey ends with Moksa? Is the end is our prime

> goal or the process itself.

>

> The Process is important. Read this quote "We embody the local eyes

> and ears and thoughts of the Universe. We are a way for the Cosmos

> to know itself." You see ... we are all cells in Devi's body and

> each one that awakens makes Her more alive, not only does She touch

> us with Her grace, we send it back to Her, it is a two-way flow You

> make Her more conscious; give Her a new set of eyes and ears, and a

> new set of hands. You manifest Her ... which is moksha for you ...

> but for Her it is more -- She too is happy to have You with Her So

> Moksha is not the end of your path; in Sri vidya it is only the

> beginning, like everything in Sri Vidya it is practical and logical.

>

> Sadhana is like, say, Medical School. If you want to be a doctor,

> you can't just be a doctor -- you must learn the intricacies of the

> trade. If You want to be Devi there is even more to know ...You must

> know Everything or be able to let Every thing flow through you in a

> useful way to Her. So this process is important ... but it is just

> the training for what is to come not only must we realize our Self,

> but we must be able to act on that realization in a way that

> usefully furthers Her work or else what good are we? So I think the

> process is important, but it is not the end in itself. Just like

> medical school is not the end, or law school is not the end it is

> just a process of gathering the knowledge and experience we need to

> do the work ahead then, once we "graduate" that is perhaps moksha

> but still, you get better and better and if you are very good, and

> love your work, hopefully you will take it further than it's ever

> been taken before.

>

> The thing is not just to "realize" it but also to "act" on it. A

> doctor, after many years of effort and toil, may find a new cure or

> a new process. A lawyer may develop a new legal precedent that makes

> the system more just and humane and a sadhak, by becoming two of

> Devi's thousand arms, makes Her only more manifest by giving Her two

> more eyes, helps Her to see by giving Her two more ears ... etc.

> because it must be lonely to be the only One, it's lonely at the

> top. And so, by realizing Her, we also bring Her warmth and love.

>

> I think the problem lies in what we in the medical field terms:

> Inform Consent. This is a very sensitive issue for us. We do not

> carry out any procedure or clinical testing's on patients without

> their knowledge/consent.

>

> Perhaps when you go into the cyberspace it is a very different

> scenario altogether. Certain rules do not apply in the Cyberspace.

> That is a challenge for many researcher I think. Some may say the

> cyberspace is an illusion. Friends you make on the internet do not

> exist. But again, the computer just do not get switch by itself.

> This forum: where does all the words and thoughts come from? There

> are people sitting on the other side. Even when you chat over the

> messenger, communication is going on. Thoughts transmitted thru and

> fro. When there's thoughts transmission, energy too is being

> utilized. So how can we say all these are just illusions.

>

> Like I joke earlier, in this group, there are different birds

> species with different feathers for some mystical [i like to believe

> as Mystical actually] reason flock together in this cyberspace

> called Shakti Sadhana. When I think about the birds, suddenly

> Galapagos Archipelago comes into my mind. And when I read Lulu's

> post somehow the whole thing like a puzzle comes into the picture.

> [i got the opportunity to read the book The Beak of the Finch by

> Jonathan Weiner], and did anybody get the chance to read an article

> in the National Geographic entitled: Is Darwin Wrong? Interesting

> theories being discuss which fascinates me.

>

> A lot of people join this group for various reasons. There are those

> who just want to find friends. Then there are those who are bored.

> They want a place where they can get the attention. Several

> Christian and Muslim Missionaries too join our group, for their own

> reason too. Perhaps they just want to learn something from us [i

> want to believe this very much] And I know many are also serious

> Sadhak/Sadhika.

>

> Spiritualism is not something you think you can manipulate.

> This makes them angry when they feel they are being used as an

> object.

>

> I like to introduce a book, entitled : The Cybercultures Reader.

> Edited by David Bell and Barbara M. Kennedy.

>

> The Cybercultures Reader brings together key writings in the

> exciting new interdisciplinary field of cyberculture studies,

> providing in one volume a comprehensive guide to the ways in which

> new technologies are reshaping cultural forms and practices in the

> new millennium.

>

> The last few day, I've been reading this article to get an

> understanding of this Cyberculture.

>

> JANARDANA DASA remarked "Nevertheless, it is very difficult for the

> moderators to assess the

> seriousness of participants in this kind of forum"

>

> Yes! Indeed. It is very difficult. Many times I am being asked: This

> guy is in another forum, and he never post such silly messages

> there, only in Shakti Sadhana. Why is that so? Because the Swami in

> that particular group is very strict? The Swami does not like

> nonsense messages being posted?

>

> And my responses have always been: because we are not like other

> groups. We are not Swamis in here. We are householder. Many of us

> have children and social commitment. To me even if my daughter asks

> silly questions, how can I tell her "do not ask such silly

> question?" The last few days she have been asking me; "Ma why do

> people die? Why do people kill other people". You tend to wonder,

> what does this young innocent mind has seen that make her to ask

> such questions.

>

> As parents it is a challenge for us to try to find answers to these

> questions. Make it simple so that this young innocent mind is able

> to grasp it. How does a child learn? A child learnt through play. So

> being serious sometimes may not be the answer. Many have asked me :

> how is your little girl? And I joke, she is growing up. Growing up

> so fast that I look forward for the day when she will bring a

> horrible looking young man home to introduce to us, I [ as the

> mother] will get into distress obviously, but to her he is the most

> charming being very walk on this earth. As parent we eventually have

> to grow.

>

> And that is what we all must do : GROW.

>

> Think of the goodness, and goodness will come to us.

>

>

>

>

>

>