Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Pranam. A quote from the Rig Veda and also a question.... First, the quote, The Primordial Vastness is the sky. The Primordial Vastness is the sphere of space. The Primordial Vastness is the mother, the father, the son. The Primordial Vastness is all the Gods, the five sorts of men, all that was born and shall be born. -Rig Veda And now, the question. What are the five sorts of men? I only know of the four varnas. Thanx in advance, With Love Shankaree Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." >From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 aditirdyauraditirantarikshhamaditirmAtA sa pitA sa putraH | vishve devA aditiH pa~nca janA aditirjAtamaditirjanitvaM || Rigveda mandala 1, suktha 89 pancha janah or five sorts of men (according to most commetaries) refer to gandharvas, pithrus, devas, asuras and rakshass . , Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree wrote: > > Pranam. A quote from the Rig Veda and also a question.... > > First, the quote, > > The Primordial Vastness is the sky. The Primordial Vastness is the sphere of space. The Primordial Vastness is the mother, the father, the son. The Primordial Vastness is all the Gods, the five sorts of men, all that was born and shall be born. > > > -Rig Veda > > And now, the question. > > What are the five sorts of men? I only know of the four varnas. > > Thanx in advance, > > With Love > > Shankaree > > > Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, > Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, > Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, > Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, > Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; > Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, > Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." > > From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Pranam, Adwaithji. Thank you for your prompt answer. I have another question, though. I thought that gandharvas, devas, asuras and rakshashas were other beings and not human? So, how do we reconcile this statement? With love Shankaree Adwaith Menon <menonar > wrote: aditirdyauraditirantarikshhamaditirmAtA sa pitA sa putraH | vishve devA aditiH pa~nca janA aditirjAtamaditirjanitvaM || Rigveda mandala 1, suktha 89 pancha janah or five sorts of men (according to most commetaries) refer to gandharvas, pithrus, devas, asuras and rakshass . , Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree wrote: > > Pranam. A quote from the Rig Veda and also a question.... > > First, the quote, > > The Primordial Vastness is the sky. The Primordial Vastness is the sphere of space. The Primordial Vastness is the mother, the father, the son. The Primordial Vastness is all the Gods, the five sorts of men, all that was born and shall be born. > > > -Rig Veda > > And now, the question. > > What are the five sorts of men? I only know of the four varnas. > > Thanx in advance, > > With Love > > Shankaree > > > Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, > Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, > Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, > Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, > Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; > Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, > Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." > > From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 That is what english does to sanskrit the verse actually says "pancha janA" ,janA doesnt need to mean "men" but it can be anything that is born as jana comes from the root term janayati. And the hymn is saying that whatever that is born in any form or will be born is all Aditi Herself. I wonder if that can emotion will come by saying that primordial vastness is evryhting Adwaith Menon , Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree wrote: > > Pranam, Adwaithji. > > Thank you for your prompt answer. I have another question, though. I thought that gandharvas, devas, asuras and rakshashas were other beings and not human? So, how do we reconcile this statement? > > With love > > Shankaree > > Adwaith Menon <menonar wrote: > aditirdyauraditirantarikshhamaditirmAtA sa pitA sa putraH | > vishve devA aditiH pa~nca janA aditirjAtamaditirjanitvaM || > Rigveda mandala 1, suktha 89 > > pancha janah or five sorts of men (according to most commetaries) > refer to gandharvas, pithrus, devas, asuras and rakshass . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 For what it's worth, I'd also note that the phrase "The Primordial Vastness" is not a direct translation, but more like a shorthand definition. The actual passage would be more accurately rendered: Aditi is the sky. Aditi is the sphere of space. Aditi is the mother, the father, the son. Aditi is all the Gods, the five sorts of lesser divinities, All that has been born, and all that shall be born. More than an abstract "Primordial Vastness," Aditi is understood by the sages of the Vedas as the Primordial Mother, and arguably denotes the earliest conception of Goddess in ancient India. For more information, see: http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Newhomepage/shakti/lajjahGauri.html Thanks DB , "Adwaith Menon" <menonar wrote: > > aditirdyauraditirantarikshhamaditirmAtA sa pitA sa putraH | > vishve devA aditiH pa~nca janA aditirjAtamaditirjanitvaM || > Rigveda mandala 1, suktha 89 > > pancha janah or five sorts of men (according to most commetaries) > refer to gandharvas, pithrus, devas, asuras and rakshass . > > > > , Shankaree Ramatas > <shankaree@> wrote: > > > > Pranam. A quote from the Rig Veda and also a question.... > > > > First, the quote, > > > > The Primordial Vastness is the sky. The Primordial Vastness is the > sphere of space. The Primordial Vastness is the mother, the father, > the son. The Primordial Vastness is all the Gods, the five sorts of > men, all that was born and shall be born. > > > > > > -Rig Veda > > > > And now, the question. > > > > What are the five sorts of men? I only know of the four varnas. > > > > Thanx in advance, > > > > With Love > > > > Shankaree > > > > > > Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, > > Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, > > Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, > > Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, > > Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; > > Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, > > Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." > > > > From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari > > > > > > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new > Mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Pranam, Adwaithji. Now, I understand.:-)) Just makes me wonder... How much of the stuff that we read after translation is what the author meant... With Love Shankaree Adwaith Menon <menonar > wrote: That is what english does to sanskrit the verse actually says "pancha janA" ,janA doesnt need to mean "men" but it can be anything that is born as jana comes from the root term janayati. And the hymn is saying that whatever that is born in any form or will be born is all Aditi Herself. I wonder if that can emotion will come by saying that primordial vastness is evryhting Adwaith Menon , Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree wrote: > > Pranam, Adwaithji. > > Thank you for your prompt answer. I have another question, though. I thought that gandharvas, devas, asuras and rakshashas were other beings and not human? So, how do we reconcile this statement? > > With love > > Shankaree > > Adwaith Menon <menonar wrote: > aditirdyauraditirantarikshhamaditirmAtA sa pitA sa putraH | > vishve devA aditiH pa~nca janA aditirjAtamaditirjanitvaM || > Rigveda mandala 1, suktha 89 > > pancha janah or five sorts of men (according to most commetaries) > refer to gandharvas, pithrus, devas, asuras and rakshass . > Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." >From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari All New Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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