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Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I

feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might

ask the same question :

 

"Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people

repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one

takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post

numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be

nice too. Thanks"

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As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college.

Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds.

In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them.

On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant.

Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "….all these things shall be added unto thee"

 

 

NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote:

Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I

feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might

ask the same question :

 

"Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people

repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one

takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post

numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be

nice too. Thanks"

 

 

 

 

 

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It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one.

Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote:

As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college.

Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds.

In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them.

On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant.

 

Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "….all these things shall be added unto thee"

 

 

 

NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote:

Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I

feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might

ask the same question :

 

"Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people

repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one

takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post

numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be

nice too. Thanks"

 

 

 

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, sangar narayanan

<mackro1932 wrote:

>

> It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira.

When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why

should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no

dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others.

One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was

destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be

used to destroy any one.

> Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength

to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone.

This is my humble opinion.

> Regards,

> S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

 

 

Gd Morning. And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just

a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI.

One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and

function. None is lower nor above each other.

 

As I have been seeing, there's this shift in people focusing on

Pratyinkira more now than ever. I ask my guru one day, and i'm told

its because of the the uncertainity and the insecurity. I believe

perhaps brought about with the current political and economic

situations.

 

To tell these people "dont! do it" is like telling a child, do not

play with fire. The child will not learn until the child actually

play with fire and got burnt. Only then the child will learn.

 

Do we have an alternative way to help to ease these feelings of

vulnerable, the sense of insecurity and uncertainity?

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Pratyangira is the lion headed (sometimes Vyali)form of the divine

mother and her mantra is recited 108 times and the ritual water is

sprinkled to free individuals cast in the spell of extremely tamasic

exorcism.If used to harm others for material agains and settle

enemity it can react and adversely affect the individual performing

such rites.

The worship of pratyangira is part of vama marga and still exist in

Kerala.There is a pratyangira temple at Sasthamangalam

in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala.

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my Guru appeared to me in that form one day ( I am not hindu )

I was a bit worried what could that mean ? then i did a bit of searching

I follow a sadhana of Sri Chakra worship , and do not do any mantras

for this Diety , however after this incident felt enormous protection

from some divine forces . I do not think it is about power but for protection.

 

joanna p.

>

> , sangar narayanan

> <mackro1932@> wrote:

> >

> > It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira.

> When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why

> should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no

> dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others.

> One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was

> destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be

> used to destroy any one.

> > Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength

> to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone.

> This is my humble opinion.

> > Regards,

> > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

>

>

> Gd Morning. And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just

> a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI.

> One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and

> function. None is lower nor above each other.

>

> As I have been seeing, there's this shift in people focusing on

> Pratyinkira more now than ever. I ask my guru one day, and i'm told

> its because of the the uncertainity and the insecurity. I believe

> perhaps brought about with the current political and economic

> situations.

>

> To tell these people "dont! do it" is like telling a child, do not

> play with fire. The child will not learn until the child actually

> play with fire and got burnt. Only then the child will learn.

>

> Do we have an alternative way to help to ease these feelings of

> vulnerable, the sense of insecurity and uncertainity?

>

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All aspects of the deity are aspects of the guru which is power of all

pervasiveness of primordial pure awareness. Thus Pratyangira is the power of

clarity of consciousness.

 

 

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"joannapollner" <joannapollner >

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Friday, August 25, 2006 8:59 AM

Re: Question from Member : Worshipping Pratyingira

 

 

> my Guru appeared to me in that form one day ( I am not hindu )

> I was a bit worried what could that mean ? then i did a bit of searching

> I follow a sadhana of Sri Chakra worship , and do not do any mantras

> for this Diety , however after this incident felt enormous protection

> from some divine forces . I do not think it is about power but for

> protection.

>

> joanna p.

>>

>> , sangar narayanan

>> <mackro1932@> wrote:

>> >

>> > It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira.

>> When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why

>> should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no

>> dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others.

>> One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was

>> destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be

>> used to destroy any one.

>> > Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength

>> to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone.

>> This is my humble opinion.

>> > Regards,

>> > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

>>

>>

>> Gd Morning. And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just

>> a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI.

>> One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and

>> function. None is lower nor above each other.

>>

>> As I have been seeing, there's this shift in people focusing on

>> Pratyinkira more now than ever. I ask my guru one day, and i'm told

>> its because of the the uncertainity and the insecurity. I believe

>> perhaps brought about with the current political and economic

>> situations.

>>

>> To tell these people "dont! do it" is like telling a child, do not

>> play with fire. The child will not learn until the child actually

>> play with fire and got burnt. Only then the child will learn.

>>

>> Do we have an alternative way to help to ease these feelings of

>> vulnerable, the sense of insecurity and uncertainity?

>>

>

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>

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I agree that NO MNANTRA is created for harming. But a kitchen knife can be used to kill people too. Thats why some mantras are not given too freely. There need not be a dictum allowing misuse. Misuse happens because of the human ingenuity and immaturity.

 

sangar narayanan <mackro1932 > wrote:

It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira.. When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one.

Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote:

As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college.

Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds.

In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them.

On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant.

 

Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "….all these things shall be added unto thee"

 

NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote:

Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I

feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might

ask the same question :

 

"Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people

repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one

takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post

numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be

nice too. Thanks"

 

 

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In my training as a Wiccan High Priest, I took a vow not to do (intentionally) harmful or manipulative magic. I showed my High Priestess the pages in Johari's "Tools For Tantra" that explain the six (or more) types of mantric karmas: stambhana, marana, etc. She was aghast! "All these forms are manipulative," she observed, "except perhaps for Shantikarman and Pushtikarman, and even those you must have explicit permission to perform on a person.."

 

Marana mantras are designed to harm (or kill) people at a distance. That sounds like it was created for harming!

 

-- Len/ Black Lotus

 

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: I agree that NO MNANTRA is created for harming. But a kitchen knife can be used to kill people too. Thats why some mantras are not given too freely. There need not be a dictum allowing misuse. Misuse happens because of the human ingenuity and immaturity.

 

sangar narayanan <mackro1932 > wrote:

It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one.

Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote:

As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college.

Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds.

In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them.

On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant.

 

Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "….all these things shall be added unto thee"

 

NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote:

Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I

feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might

ask the same question :

 

"Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people

repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one

takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post

numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be

nice too. Thanks"

 

 

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my advice is , if someone feels drawn to certain Deity just think of that energy aspect

in loving way I am not sure if mantra in this way is neccessary ,although I am not on

regular bases Pratyangira worshiper just think of the Deity very lovingly .

 

Quick question though , what is then the difference between Kali and Pratyangira

is this not the same aspect ? or at least similar ?

 

joanna

>

> I agree that NO MNANTRA is created for harming. But a kitchen knife can be used to kill

people too. Thats why some mantras are not given too freely. There need not be a dictum

allowing misuse. Misuse happens because of the human ingenuity and immaturity.

>

>

> sangar narayanan <mackro1932 wrote:

> It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. When the

supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower

division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying

others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by

Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one.

> Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even

from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion.

> Regards,

> S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

>

> sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going

through school and various levels of college.

> Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with

responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras

will remain as mere letters and sounds.

> In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when

devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has

to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them.

> On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can

use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary

knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become

redundant.

>

> Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "�.all

these things shall be added unto thee"

>

> NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy wrote:

> Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I

> feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might

> ask the same question :

>

> "Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people

> repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one

> takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post

> numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be

> nice too. Thanks"

>

>

> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.

>

>

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And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just

> a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI.

> One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose

and

> function. None is lower nor above each other.

 

>And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just

> a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI.

> One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose

and

> function. None is lower nor above each other.

 

I agree with that, i like to draw attention to the fact that the form

of the devi worshipped as central in shri vidya, was received and

promulgated at a much later date, thousands of years before anybody

knew of rajarajeswari or mahatripurasundari, pratyangira was already

being called upon. Pratyangira cult is ages older than the relatively

modern shri vidya tradition.

 

She stems from atharvanic sources which fact can be safely assumend

from many details in her rites.

Even in the Vayrajana versions of her sadhana, atharvanic verses are

used.

Besides being a protective goddess she is namend asuri and krtya

herself, in this moment she is understood as the female embodiment

of destructive spells, that are deflected by the atharvans employing

offerings and mantras directed to indra or soma.

There are dakshinacara as well as vamachara, nastika as well astika,

bauddha as well as vaidika forms of pratyangira.

 

She is also identified with the deity Siddhakubjika of the purvamnaya

kaula tradition.

It is no wonder that the chinacara or vajrayana, which path is known

for its emphasis on establishing rule and dominion over others,

also embraced her worship in the form of arya pratyangira.

 

Right from the atharvanic times until now she was always associated

with rites of protection against attacks and misfortune.but also

with killing and destruction.

 

In her manuals it is said that she will kill anybody instantly who

does so much as even divulge her mantra to the uninitiated.

 

If mantras are employed that say for instance " kill, destroy, split

the enemys head" etc, and are described to be written around the

name of an enemy, one can be of the opinion that this is meant to

be directed against inner enemies like kama krodha lobha etc, but it

is also possible to understand these descriptions differently and

aply them literally and by this way develop the misuses that where

criticised even in the earliest history of the cult in Atharva Veda

Traditions.

 

Many of the protective form of deities also have destructive powers,

like Pratyangira, Shulini, Siddhakubjika, Raktakali, Aghora, Vatuka,

Bhairava, Kshetrapala, Sharabheshwara, Nrisimha, Sudarshana, they

all have destructive aspects and destructive applications are

described in the manuals, it seems to be the nature of protection

that it has reversible powers.

 

It is said in the Brahmanada Purana:

 

The Brahmaveda was present there accompanied with terrible rites. Due

to the accompaniment of the Pratyangiras, it appeared as if it had

two bodies and two heads. 2.3.1.26

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All theses forms of Devi are nothing but DEVI HERSELF. The philosophy of Brahmins who is praying in Sandhyavandana "AGASATH PATHITHAM THOYAM YADHA GACHATHI SAGARAM, SARVADEVANAMASKARA KESAVAM PRADHIGACHATHI" is applicable here also. Devi manifests herself in various forms. Whatever form you worship your wishes will be fulfilled. If our wish is not according to DHARMA, SHE herself will correct ourselves by giving mild punishments here and there, now and then, and advise us to do correct thing even without our conscience. This is wonderful blessings of Devi. It is said in Chandi, that Shakthis of various devethas destoyed the demons in their own way. Even Brahmi, who is Shakthi of Brahma, whose name has not been mentioned in any puranas for destroying evil forces, has used, her Kamandalam with full of MANTHRA THIRTHA, for destroying demons.

GOPALASWAMY S.

subramanian_gopalaswamy (AT) (DOT) co.in

 

Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

All aspects of the deity are aspects of the guru which is power of all

pervasiveness of primordial pure awareness. Thus Pratyangira is the power of

clarity of consciousness.

 

-

"joannapollner" <joannapollner >

<>

Friday, August 25, 2006 8:59 AM

Re: Question from Member : Worshipping Pratyingira

 

> my Guru appeared to me in that form one day ( I am not hindu )

> I was a bit worried what could that mean ? then i did a bit of searching

> I follow a sadhana of Sri Chakra worship , and do not do any mantras

> for this Diety , however after this incident felt enormous protection

> from some divine forces . I do not think it is about power but for

> protection.

>

> joanna p.

>>

>> , sangar narayanan

>> <mackro1932@> wrote:

>> >

>> > It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira.

>> When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why

>> should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no

>> dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others.

>> One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was

>> destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be

>> used to destroy any one.

>> > Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength

>> to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone.

>> This is my humble opinion.

>> > Regards,

>> > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

>>

>>

>> Gd Morning. And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just

>> a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI.

>> One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and

>> function. None is lower nor above each other.

>>

>> As I have been seeing, there's this shift in people focusing on

>> Pratyinkira more now than ever. I ask my guru one day, and i'm told

>> its because of the the uncertainity and the insecurity. I believe

>> perhaps brought about with the current political and economic

>> situations.

>>

>> To tell these people "dont! do it" is like telling a child, do not

>> play with fire. The child will not learn until the child actually

>> play with fire and got burnt. Only then the child will learn.

>>

>> Do we have an alternative way to help to ease these feelings of

>> vulnerable, the sense of insecurity and uncertainity?

>>

>

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