Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might ask the same question : "Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be nice too. Thanks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college. Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds. In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them. On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant. Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "….all these things shall be added unto thee" NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote: Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might ask the same question : "Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be nice too. Thanks" Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one. Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college. Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds. In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them. On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant. Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "….all these things shall be added unto thee" NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote: Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might ask the same question : "Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be nice too. Thanks" Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 , sangar narayanan <mackro1932 wrote: > > It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one. > Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion. > Regards, > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN Gd Morning. And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI. One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and function. None is lower nor above each other. As I have been seeing, there's this shift in people focusing on Pratyinkira more now than ever. I ask my guru one day, and i'm told its because of the the uncertainity and the insecurity. I believe perhaps brought about with the current political and economic situations. To tell these people "dont! do it" is like telling a child, do not play with fire. The child will not learn until the child actually play with fire and got burnt. Only then the child will learn. Do we have an alternative way to help to ease these feelings of vulnerable, the sense of insecurity and uncertainity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Pratyangira is the lion headed (sometimes Vyali)form of the divine mother and her mantra is recited 108 times and the ritual water is sprinkled to free individuals cast in the spell of extremely tamasic exorcism.If used to harm others for material agains and settle enemity it can react and adversely affect the individual performing such rites. The worship of pratyangira is part of vama marga and still exist in Kerala.There is a pratyangira temple at Sasthamangalam in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 my Guru appeared to me in that form one day ( I am not hindu ) I was a bit worried what could that mean ? then i did a bit of searching I follow a sadhana of Sri Chakra worship , and do not do any mantras for this Diety , however after this incident felt enormous protection from some divine forces . I do not think it is about power but for protection. joanna p. > > , sangar narayanan > <mackro1932@> wrote: > > > > It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. > When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why > should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no > dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. > One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was > destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be > used to destroy any one. > > Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength > to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. > This is my humble opinion. > > Regards, > > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > > > Gd Morning. And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just > a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI. > One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and > function. None is lower nor above each other. > > As I have been seeing, there's this shift in people focusing on > Pratyinkira more now than ever. I ask my guru one day, and i'm told > its because of the the uncertainity and the insecurity. I believe > perhaps brought about with the current political and economic > situations. > > To tell these people "dont! do it" is like telling a child, do not > play with fire. The child will not learn until the child actually > play with fire and got burnt. Only then the child will learn. > > Do we have an alternative way to help to ease these feelings of > vulnerable, the sense of insecurity and uncertainity? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 All aspects of the deity are aspects of the guru which is power of all pervasiveness of primordial pure awareness. Thus Pratyangira is the power of clarity of consciousness. - "joannapollner" <joannapollner > <> Friday, August 25, 2006 8:59 AM Re: Question from Member : Worshipping Pratyingira > my Guru appeared to me in that form one day ( I am not hindu ) > I was a bit worried what could that mean ? then i did a bit of searching > I follow a sadhana of Sri Chakra worship , and do not do any mantras > for this Diety , however after this incident felt enormous protection > from some divine forces . I do not think it is about power but for > protection. > > joanna p. >> >> , sangar narayanan >> <mackro1932@> wrote: >> > >> > It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. >> When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why >> should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no >> dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. >> One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was >> destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be >> used to destroy any one. >> > Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength >> to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. >> This is my humble opinion. >> > Regards, >> > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN >> >> >> Gd Morning. And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just >> a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI. >> One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and >> function. None is lower nor above each other. >> >> As I have been seeing, there's this shift in people focusing on >> Pratyinkira more now than ever. I ask my guru one day, and i'm told >> its because of the the uncertainity and the insecurity. I believe >> perhaps brought about with the current political and economic >> situations. >> >> To tell these people "dont! do it" is like telling a child, do not >> play with fire. The child will not learn until the child actually >> play with fire and got burnt. Only then the child will learn. >> >> Do we have an alternative way to help to ease these feelings of >> vulnerable, the sense of insecurity and uncertainity? >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I agree that NO MNANTRA is created for harming. But a kitchen knife can be used to kill people too. Thats why some mantras are not given too freely. There need not be a dictum allowing misuse. Misuse happens because of the human ingenuity and immaturity. sangar narayanan <mackro1932 > wrote: It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira.. When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one. Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college. Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds. In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them. On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant. Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "….all these things shall be added unto thee" NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote: Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might ask the same question : "Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be nice too. Thanks" Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 In my training as a Wiccan High Priest, I took a vow not to do (intentionally) harmful or manipulative magic. I showed my High Priestess the pages in Johari's "Tools For Tantra" that explain the six (or more) types of mantric karmas: stambhana, marana, etc. She was aghast! "All these forms are manipulative," she observed, "except perhaps for Shantikarman and Pushtikarman, and even those you must have explicit permission to perform on a person.." Marana mantras are designed to harm (or kill) people at a distance. That sounds like it was created for harming! -- Len/ Black Lotus sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: I agree that NO MNANTRA is created for harming. But a kitchen knife can be used to kill people too. Thats why some mantras are not given too freely. There need not be a dictum allowing misuse. Misuse happens because of the human ingenuity and immaturity. sangar narayanan <mackro1932 > wrote: It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one. Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college. Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds. In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them. On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant. Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "….all these things shall be added unto thee" NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy > wrote: Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might ask the same question : "Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be nice too. Thanks" Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 my advice is , if someone feels drawn to certain Deity just think of that energy aspect in loving way I am not sure if mantra in this way is neccessary ,although I am not on regular bases Pratyangira worshiper just think of the Deity very lovingly . Quick question though , what is then the difference between Kali and Pratyangira is this not the same aspect ? or at least similar ? joanna > > I agree that NO MNANTRA is created for harming. But a kitchen knife can be used to kill people too. Thats why some mantras are not given too freely. There need not be a dictum allowing misuse. Misuse happens because of the human ingenuity and immaturity. > > > sangar narayanan <mackro1932 wrote: > It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be used to destroy any one. > Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. This is my humble opinion. > Regards, > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > > sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > As I had said repeatedly, one cannot jump into postdoctoral research without going through school and various levels of college. > Pratyangira may look attractive because it gives POWER. However, power comes with responsibilities, duties, and maturity. Without these, pratyangira and other similar mantras will remain as mere letters and sounds. > In addition, as i have stressed earlier, one can start sadhana even without a Guru when devotion and grace are the aims. If one intends to use mantras for material gain, one has to go to the right guru and gain the authority and knowledge to use them. > On the practical front what i have noticed is that people strive hard thinking they can use this mantra for this and that mantra for that and by the time one gets the necessary knowledge and ability to use, the aim for which the great effort was made had become redundant. > > Moral?? Strive only for HER grace and as the Isian priest Jesus is said to have said "�.all these things shall be added unto thee" > > NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: > Received this today morning. Thought its address to the moderators, I > feel this should go to the group, because I know other members might > ask the same question : > > "Hi, I am wondering who Pratyingira really is and why to people > repeatedly ask me to stay away from her. What are the precautions one > takes while doing homa and puja to her. If you can direct me to post > numbers if you have already discussed this on the forum, that would be > nice too. Thanks" > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just > a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI. > One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and > function. None is lower nor above each other. >And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just > a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI. > One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and > function. None is lower nor above each other. I agree with that, i like to draw attention to the fact that the form of the devi worshipped as central in shri vidya, was received and promulgated at a much later date, thousands of years before anybody knew of rajarajeswari or mahatripurasundari, pratyangira was already being called upon. Pratyangira cult is ages older than the relatively modern shri vidya tradition. She stems from atharvanic sources which fact can be safely assumend from many details in her rites. Even in the Vayrajana versions of her sadhana, atharvanic verses are used. Besides being a protective goddess she is namend asuri and krtya herself, in this moment she is understood as the female embodiment of destructive spells, that are deflected by the atharvans employing offerings and mantras directed to indra or soma. There are dakshinacara as well as vamachara, nastika as well astika, bauddha as well as vaidika forms of pratyangira. She is also identified with the deity Siddhakubjika of the purvamnaya kaula tradition. It is no wonder that the chinacara or vajrayana, which path is known for its emphasis on establishing rule and dominion over others, also embraced her worship in the form of arya pratyangira. Right from the atharvanic times until now she was always associated with rites of protection against attacks and misfortune.but also with killing and destruction. In her manuals it is said that she will kill anybody instantly who does so much as even divulge her mantra to the uninitiated. If mantras are employed that say for instance " kill, destroy, split the enemys head" etc, and are described to be written around the name of an enemy, one can be of the opinion that this is meant to be directed against inner enemies like kama krodha lobha etc, but it is also possible to understand these descriptions differently and aply them literally and by this way develop the misuses that where criticised even in the earliest history of the cult in Atharva Veda Traditions. Many of the protective form of deities also have destructive powers, like Pratyangira, Shulini, Siddhakubjika, Raktakali, Aghora, Vatuka, Bhairava, Kshetrapala, Sharabheshwara, Nrisimha, Sudarshana, they all have destructive aspects and destructive applications are described in the manuals, it seems to be the nature of protection that it has reversible powers. It is said in the Brahmanada Purana: The Brahmaveda was present there accompanied with terrible rites. Due to the accompaniment of the Pratyangiras, it appeared as if it had two bodies and two heads. 2.3.1.26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 All theses forms of Devi are nothing but DEVI HERSELF. The philosophy of Brahmins who is praying in Sandhyavandana "AGASATH PATHITHAM THOYAM YADHA GACHATHI SAGARAM, SARVADEVANAMASKARA KESAVAM PRADHIGACHATHI" is applicable here also. Devi manifests herself in various forms. Whatever form you worship your wishes will be fulfilled. If our wish is not according to DHARMA, SHE herself will correct ourselves by giving mild punishments here and there, now and then, and advise us to do correct thing even without our conscience. This is wonderful blessings of Devi. It is said in Chandi, that Shakthis of various devethas destoyed the demons in their own way. Even Brahmi, who is Shakthi of Brahma, whose name has not been mentioned in any puranas for destroying evil forces, has used, her Kamandalam with full of MANTHRA THIRTHA, for destroying demons. GOPALASWAMY S. subramanian_gopalaswamy (AT) (DOT) co.in Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: All aspects of the deity are aspects of the guru which is power of all pervasiveness of primordial pure awareness. Thus Pratyangira is the power of clarity of consciousness. - "joannapollner" <joannapollner > <> Friday, August 25, 2006 8:59 AM Re: Question from Member : Worshipping Pratyingira > my Guru appeared to me in that form one day ( I am not hindu ) > I was a bit worried what could that mean ? then i did a bit of searching > I follow a sadhana of Sri Chakra worship , and do not do any mantras > for this Diety , however after this incident felt enormous protection > from some divine forces . I do not think it is about power but for > protection. > > joanna p. >> >> , sangar narayanan >> <mackro1932@> wrote: >> > >> > It is unfortunate that people do not understand about Pratyinkira. >> When the supreme Divine Mother is there - Raja Rajeswari - why >> should one go after all these lower division powers. There is no >> dictum anywhere that one can use any mantra for destroying others. >> One will notice that even the Nikumbala yaga which indrajit did was >> destroyed by Hanuman, because Divine Mother never wanted this to be >> used to destroy any one. >> > Contrary to understanding, Prathyinkira only provides strength >> to face any ordeal even from enemies and it cannot destroy anyone. >> This is my humble opinion. >> > Regards, >> > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN >> >> >> Gd Morning. And it is my humble opinion that Pratyinkira is not just >> a lower division powers. They are all the different aspect of DEVI. >> One of the millions manifestations. They serve different purpose and >> function. None is lower nor above each other. >> >> As I have been seeing, there's this shift in people focusing on >> Pratyinkira more now than ever. I ask my guru one day, and i'm told >> its because of the the uncertainity and the insecurity. I believe >> perhaps brought about with the current political and economic >> situations. >> >> To tell these people "dont! do it" is like telling a child, do not >> play with fire. The child will not learn until the child actually >> play with fire and got burnt. Only then the child will learn. >> >> Do we have an alternative way to help to ease these feelings of >> vulnerable, the sense of insecurity and uncertainity? >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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