Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Srigurubhyo NamaH The All-encompassing Advaita Namaste Sadhakas, Long ago, while attending Vedanta classes, my revered Guru had made a passing remark: `There is nothing new in dvaita and vishishtaadvaita. All these are contained in the Advaitic thought structure as particular cases.' He did not elaborate. He was a theoretical physicist. I did not comprehend the depth of the meaning in that statement. The expression `particular cases' too did not make any sense to me. Over the next close to two decades I had not given much thought to it. Only recently, about a week ago, some thoughts on that statement started appearing in my mind and started crystallizing. The following is an attempt to put it in some readable cogent form so that others' views might give it some more definite shape. The Mandukya Upanishad teaches that Consciousness expresses itself in four paada-s, states, as it were. The first is known as vishva, the second is taijasa, the third is praajna. The fourth is called Turiya. As we learn from the Upanishad, the first pada is the waking state, the second the dream state, the third the deep sleep state and the fourth is the transcendental state. Now, as we study the Upanishad, the mantras teach that the waking state is one where objects are experienced through sense organs. The dream state is where objects are experienced in the mental level itself, being projections. While the waking world may be termed `gross', the dream world is `subtle', relative to the former. What is common to both the states is that there is duality experienced in them. We can call these two states put together `dvaita', since dvaita-darshanam is not deniable there. Then, when we take up the sleep state, even the mind has subsided and the projections have ceased. There is no duality experienced as in the former two states. Shall we call this state `advaita'? No, for we learn from the Upanishad that the deep sleep state, the third pada, is the causal state, that is, duality is inherent in the deep sleep state, only to manifest later in dream or waking. This is a state that can neither be called `dvaita' strictly nor can be termed advaita. It has some characteristics close to advaita but still, it can only be `qualified' advaita. This can then be called `vishishta- advaita'. The fourth state, however, transcends even the third, causal, state and is absolutely advaita, with no trace of duality whatsoever. The seventh mantra of the Upanishat negates all the earlier states and positively terms this state as `prapanchopashamam (complete absence of the world both as cause and as effect), shantam, shivam, Advaitam'. In the above analysis, we see that dvaita and vishishta-advaita are particular cases in the thought structure of Advaita. The fifth mantra of the upanishat shows how each of the earlier paadaas, starting from the first, have to be telescopically merged into the next one so as to finally arrive at the perception of the Advaitic Truth. In each of the earlier paadas, the upanishat provides both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic Consciousness Principle. Thus in the first pada we have vishva and Virat. In the second they are called taijasa and Hiranyagarbha. In the third they are praajna and Ishwara. The Upanishad, in the build up to the Fourth Absolute Truth, provides the macrocosmic Principle in each pada so as to give an a priori idea about the Fourth Absolute Turiya. In effect, the upanishat is providing a training, upasana, for the aspirant at each of the earlier paadas so as to transcend the microcosmic being that he is and `know' the macrocosmic principle. In other words, the aspirant is made to `grow' out of his finitude and appreciate the relatively infinite at every state. This will prepare him to unreservedly understand and realize the Turiya Advaita, which is what the upanishat says has to be `realized' – sa Atma, sa vijneyaH. This alone constitutes liberation and not the knowledge of the macrocosmic principles at each of the earlier states. Thus we have the upanishat incorporating dvaita and vishishta-advaita in a manner of being subsumed within the Advaitic thought structure. The message of the upanishat is that Advaita, the Turiya, cannot be grasped unless dvaita and vishishta-advaita are understood. Also, dvaita and vishishta-advaita are not the absolute, paaramaarthika reality; they are vyavaharic in nature. That is the reason why they are explicitly negated in the seventh mantra by the Upanishat. What is negated is an appearance, a superimposition, not the truth. The upanishat is doing the `adhyaropa' of the earlier states by showing the macrocosmic principles therein and later their `apavada' so as to arrive at the Turiya. We have the immaculate Bhashya of our Acharya for all these mantras. There are the Karikas covering these. The Acharya has given the Bhashya for these as well. We can conclude that the Acharya has thereby said the final word on dvaita and vishishta-advaita leaving nothing unsaid for anyone else to say about these `particular cases'. As we see in the comprehensive bhashya, the dvaita and vishishta-advaita bhashyas merge in the Advaita bhashya and culminate in giving us the correct understanding of the Turiya. Perhaps this is what was meant by my Guru in that statement. May I request the readers, especially Sri Sada ji who has undertaken an in-depth study of the Mandukya Upanishat and the Karikas, to critically examine the above and give their verdict as to its admissibility or otherwise? Humble Pranams at the Lotus Feet of the Revered Guru, Pranams to all sadhakas, Subbu Om Tat Sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 >"subrahmanian_v" > >May I request the readers, especially Sri Sada ji who has undertaken >an in-depth study of the Mandukya Upanishat and the Karikas, to >critically examine the above and give their verdict as to its >admissibility or otherwise? > >Humble Pranams at the Lotus Feet of the Revered Guru, > >Pranams to all sadhakas, >Subbu >Om Tat Sat > Shree Subbu - PraNAms. Thanks for reminders. I need to resume my writing - just got immersed in listening to some advaitic teaching in between my outer conscious efforts. Mandukya is so scientific and fascinating. Yes one has to go beyond dvaita and vishiShTaadvata and nay even the concept advaita too to be with oneself - the turiiyam. It looks like we are zeroing in that even with the central discussion on the Self that I am. Hari Om! Sadananda _______________ Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.336065~-109.392273&style=r&lvl=4&scene=3712634&trfc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 > > In the above analysis, we see that dvaita and vishishta-advaita are > particular cases in the thought structure of Advaita. The fifth > mantra of the upanishat shows how each of the earlier paadaas, > starting from the first, have to be telescopically merged into the > next one so as to finally arrive at the perception of the Advaitic > Truth. Dear Subbuji, Namaste, Swami Vivekananda has also conveyed the same idea in the following manner: It is too often believed that a person in his progress towards perfection passes from error to truth; that when he passes on from one thought to another, he must necessarily reject the first. But no error can lead to truth. The soul passing through its different stages goes from truth to truth, and each stage is true; it goes from lower truth to higher truth. This point may be illustrated in the following way. A man is journeying towards the sun and takes a photograph at each step. How different would be the first photograph from the second and still more from the third or the last, when he reaches the real sun! But all these, though differing so widely from each other, are true, only they are made to appear different by the changing conditions of time and space. It is the recognition of this truth, which has enabled the Hindus to perceive the universal truth of all religions, from the lowest to the highest; it has made of them the only people who never had religious persecutions. I am meditating on this paragraph again and again but still i am unable to catch the complete import of this profound thought. The advaita is all encompassing and it is a last word in philosophy and realisation. JAI JAI RAGHUVEER SAMARTHA Yours in the lord, Br. Vinayaka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 subrahmanian_v <subrahmanian_v > wrote: From Sankarraman Dear Sir, Dvaita and Visishtadvaita are only stages towards the consummation of advaita. It is also not correct, in a way, to state that these stages should be crossed to come upon advaita since that would imply the idea of time and space being involved in the realization of advaita which is here and now. Dvaita and Visishtadvaita presuppose realization through time, existence of some reality outside oneself.Both the misapprehension of the waking-dream states, and the non-apprehension of sleep have to be known to be false to understand advaita. The earlier stages are contained as relative realities in the latter, but these stages without being dismissed, one cannot understand advaita, which is not a stage. with warm regards Sankarraman Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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