Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Dear All, I have not studied other philosophies besides dvaitavad. I have some idea about the goals of the different sampradayas, but the JIVA TATTVA is what I'm interested to hear and learn from those who know other philosophies. If every one wrote and sent in their respective version of Jiva Tattva, according to their own Sampradaya, then we would have a nice library on Jiva Tattva. After all, aside from Jiva tattva, talismans and sacred objects have no meaning. I'm seriously interesed to further my limited knowledge of Vedanta, and know the different angles. For example, what is JIVA TATTVA according to: Advaitavad Astanga Yoga Bhakti Shivism Shaaktism Aghori Karmavad Nastic Jain Sikh Radhaswomi TM and any other I don't know about... I hope this will increase my knowledge because all members here can teach me so much. I love to hear it. Best rgds, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Pranam, Beautiful thoughts. I wish to narrate a story of my childhood. I was in my eight grade and as usual had gone to meet my mentor. I knocked the door.... as usal and he allways knew the times when used to come and bother him :-) but today he as in a very naughty mood and he yelled .... Whose it? and i said 'Jay' and he opened the door and asked "Are you sure???" and like that silly eigth grader.. i giggled. But he with his ever inspiring smile continued to gaze in my eyes... and some how a serenity crept over me. My mind started to open like a sun flower opening up to the sun seeking the divine rays of grace. My mentor has his own ways and a few days later... i chanced upon shankaracharyas Nirvana shatkam... and i ran to him just as i read it and said... i know who i am! and he giggled and said "Pray, pronounce:" And i came out with Aham Nirvakalpo Nirarkara Rupo... Blah Blah.. i had memorised it to impress him with my new found knowledge :-) and he smiled. And when he smiles that particular smile... i think or he makes me think. He sort of pulls my mind to direction he wants to. And i said, i am not sure. And i asked him what do the shastras say? And he said so you are what other define? So i asked him Gnan yoga... is it not a way to reach that Vaikuntha? Nirvana? Nirvikalpa smadhi? And he asked me who told you that there is a place called vaikuntha? did you meet someone from there? Well in the years to come i know who i am. I am someone in search for that answer? Who I am? 40 days of fasting doesnt give it to you. Gnana yoga doesnt but does quicken the process... perhaps. Karma yoga lessens the misery of being lost. Well for know i look for vaikutha in my work. Hatha yoga to keep me healthy and moving so that i perform my karmas well. Bhakti Yoga to open up myself for that divine grace. And hoping that one day i will find out who i am and what is jivatma. Yes philosophies are interesting but they are to cryptic to understand. What i feel over the years.... is that no samradaya or no religion has the answer. Why? cause it cant be put in words. Its only for us to one day realise. Well perhaps not what your question is that i answered. But yes.. my thoughts i did reflect on Jivatma. Cheers, Jay sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear All, > > I have not studied other philosophies besides dvaitavad. I have some > idea about the goals of the different sampradayas, but the JIVA TATTVA > is what I'm interested to hear and learn from those who know other > philosophies. If every one wrote and sent in their respective version > of Jiva Tattva, according to their own Sampradaya, then we would have > a nice library on Jiva Tattva. After all, aside from Jiva tattva, > talismans and sacred objects have no meaning. I'm seriously interesed > to further my limited knowledge of Vedanta, and know the different angles. > > For example, what is JIVA TATTVA according to: > > Advaitavad > Astanga Yoga > Bhakti > Shivism > Shaaktism > Aghori > Karmavad > Nastic > Jain > Sikh > Radhaswomi > TM > > and any other I don't know about... > > I hope this will increase my knowledge because all members here can > teach me so much. I love to hear it. > > Best rgds, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Hello, Please read this entire link/article, for your answer wrt Aghora http://www.drsvoboda.com/divinefury.htm Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: Dear All, I have not studied other philosophies besides dvaitavad. I have some idea about the goals of the different sampradayas, but the JIVA TATTVA is what I'm interested to hear and learn from those who know other philosophies. If every one wrote and sent in their respective version of Jiva Tattva, according to their own Sampradaya, then we would have a nice library on Jiva Tattva. After all, aside from Jiva tattva, talismans and sacred objects have no meaning. I'm seriously interesed to further my limited knowledge of Vedanta, and know the different angles. For example, what is JIVA TATTVA according to: Advaitavad Astanga Yoga Bhakti Shivism Shaaktism Aghori Karmavad Nastic Jain Sikh Radhaswomi TM and any other I don't know about... I hope this will increase my knowledge because all members here can teach me so much. I love to hear it. Best rgds, Richard Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Richardji i am aradhasoami initiate as in santmat. i will see what i can authentically forward to you anne in nyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 the jiva must have direct experience with the light and sound behind the tenth gate or third eye.One must be initiated by a living guru .One is directly hooked up so to speak wit the naam( the inner sound) and light by repeating internal particluar mantra only given during inititation.All the other chakras below the third eye are considered not as valid or invalid for getting off the wheel. Direct experience must be achieved behind the third eye.The more one has directe xperience , the more ones karma is purified, the closer one gets to getting off the wheel of samsara.THe Sant that initiates you is your Guruji who if you dont achieve moksh in one particular lifetime will not abandon you in the next. there is no ritual, statues, .One must meditate, be vegan, adhere to ahimsa. In the end(so to speak) ones soul merges with Radha Soami soul of the lord the big kahuna way beyond the dissolution of brahma.And if the BIg Kauna wills it you return to help everyone else who has not gotten it yet. you can read the sar bachan and even baba faqir chand. i hope i have shed some light (so to speak) anne in nyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Very Beautiful and well said! - jaymunshi sacred-objects Monday, August 07, 2006 4:27 PM Re: Origin of the Jivatma - from EVERY angle Pranam, Beautiful thoughts. I wish to narrate a story of my childhood. I was in my eight grade and as usual had gone to meet my mentor. I knocked the door.... as usal and he allways knew the times when used to come and bother him :-) but today he as in a very naughty mood and he yelled .... Whose it? and i said 'Jay' and he opened the door and asked "Are you sure???" and like that silly eigth grader.. i giggled. But he with his ever inspiring smile continued to gaze in my eyes... and some how a serenity crept over me. My mind started to open like a sun flower opening up to the sun seeking the divine rays of grace. My mentor has his own ways and a few days later... i chanced upon shankaracharyas Nirvana shatkam... and i ran to him just as i read it and said... i know who i am! and he giggled and said "Pray, pronounce:" And i came out with Aham Nirvakalpo Nirarkara Rupo... Blah Blah.. i had memorised it to impress him with my new found knowledge :-) and he smiled. And when he smiles that particular smile... i think or he makes me think. He sort of pulls my mind to direction he wants to. And i said, i am not sure. And i asked him what do the shastras say? And he said so you are what other define? So i asked him Gnan yoga... is it not a way to reach that Vaikuntha? Nirvana? Nirvikalpa smadhi? And he asked me who told you that there is a place called vaikuntha? did you meet someone from there? Well in the years to come i know who i am. I am someone in search for that answer? Who I am? 40 days of fasting doesnt give it to you. Gnana yoga doesnt but does quicken the process... perhaps. Karma yoga lessens the misery of being lost. Well for know i look for vaikutha in my work. Hatha yoga to keep me healthy and moving so that i perform my karmas well. Bhakti Yoga to open up myself for that divine grace. And hoping that one day i will find out who i am and what is jivatma. Yes philosophies are interesting but they are to cryptic to understand. What i feel over the years.... is that no samradaya or no religion has the answer. Why? cause it cant be put in words. Its only for us to one day realise. Well perhaps not what your question is that i answered. But yes.. my thoughts i did reflect on Jivatma. Cheers, Jay sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear All, > > I have not studied other philosophies besides dvaitavad. I have some > idea about the goals of the different sampradayas, but the JIVA TATTVA > is what I'm interested to hear and learn from those who know other > philosophies. If every one wrote and sent in their respective version > of Jiva Tattva, according to their own Sampradaya, then we would have > a nice library on Jiva Tattva. After all, aside from Jiva tattva, > talismans and sacred objects have no meaning. I'm seriously interesed > to further my limited knowledge of Vedanta, and know the different angles. > > For example, what is JIVA TATTVA according to: > > Advaitavad > Astanga Yoga > Bhakti > Shivism > Shaaktism > Aghori > Karmavad > Nastic > Jain > Sikh > Radhaswomi > TM > > and any other I don't know about... > > I hope this will increase my knowledge because all members here can > teach me so much. I love to hear it. > > Best rgds, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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