Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Bea Flexible wrote: "-A couple weeks ago here, a question from the retreat was quoted. I think it was ego also supresses the truth.> I'll look it up. Dear Bea Flexible (Is your name Tim?): I was one of this Y-Satsang members who took notes during the Holy Mother's Marlborough, MA Retreat Question and Answer. The word "suppress" came up twice during Amma's answer to the Retreats third question on that New England Summer Retreat with rain ominously threatening. Incidentally it seemed like a miracle that it did not rain Those pre-rain light winds amidst dense clouds went on for a seemingly supernatural period of time with no tears from Mother Sky until Ammae sang the closing Hari Bol Hari Bol, Hari Hari Bol kirtan. Here is the exchange Tim? (can I be flexible?) Devotee: What is the nature of the ego and can we have compassion for it? Mother: The nature of the ego is finding happiness in suppressing someone else or establishing supremacy. {{I DELIBERATELY OMIT HER COMPLETE ANSWER BECAUSE IT INVOLVES A DIFFERENT ASPECT)}} Amma's insight in calling the ego sadistic (my term not Amma's) knocked me out. Still cannot believe how keen a notion this is. American Heritage Dictionary online defines the word suppress as: "To curtail or prohibit the activities of." My sense here is that Amma is using this word in a broad sense. Here is my clumsy attempt at interpreting Her meaning. The Ego enjoys manipulating others into submitting to MY self centered needs. Let's say I want a friend to eat at a chinese restaurant yet he prefers Japanese. My tendency is to try to manipulate him in some way to get my self centered way. This seems akin to co-depency. Another way the ego suppresses "others" is refusing to allow the "other" person the space to be what they want to be and/or think what they want to think or believe what they want to believe rather than what (MY blankedy blank EGO) prefers them to be, think and believe. If my friend at the dinner believes that all Gurus are frauds, can I just leave it there? No way. My ego must "suppress" him into thinking along my wavelength. GeorgeSon's ego refuses to just let them be what they are whether it seems to my sensibility, right or wrong. That great suppressor of others (including suppressor of my very own spiritual progress) is incapable of respecting the others contrary mindset. The Neo-Con like ego does me the additional "service" of causing me to deepen my vasanas along with incurring boat loads of adverse karma. The second part of Amma's response (your are appropriately use the handle BEA FLEXIBLE) uses strong language. Amma contends that the ego does not just stop at suppression. The ego gleefully desires to "establish supremacy". American Heritage Dictionary defines "Supremacy" as: " 1.The quality or condition of being supreme. 2. Supreme power or authority" Thus at the Restaurant the ego wants supremach over the won ton soup as opposed to Tomato egg drop. It would love to order his food as well. Not only that we want the dinner conversation to go along the lines my ego prefers. Then the judgmental aspect kicks in (aka domineering EGO) preferring him to smile more or smile less; tip more or or tip less ; eat his food with my preconcieved idea of table manners ...on and on...and on internal chatterbox critic on overdrive) .. Finally during the same question Amma warns: "We accumulate negative tendencies when suppressing others." Namaskar, GeorgeSon Chitanand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor wrote: > > Bea Flexible wrote: > > "-A couple weeks ago here, a question > from the retreat was quoted. > I think it was ego also supresses > the truth.> I'll look it up. > > Dear Bea Flexible (Is your name Tim?): > > I was one of this Y-Satsang members > who took notes during the Holy Mother's > Marlborough, MA Retreat Question and > Answer. > > The word "suppress" came up twice during > Amma's answer to the Retreats third question > on that New England Summer Retreat with > rain ominously threatening. Incidentally > it seemed like a miracle that it did not rain > Those pre-rain light winds amidst dense > clouds went on for a seemingly supernatural > period of time with no tears from Mother > Sky until Ammae sang the closing Hari Bol > Hari Bol, Hari Hari Bol kirtan. > > Here is the exchange Tim? (can I be flexible?) > > Devotee: What is the nature of the ego > and can we have compassion for it? > > Mother: The nature of the ego is finding > happiness in suppressing someone else or > establishing supremacy. > {{I DELIBERATELY OMIT HER COMPLETE ANSWER > BECAUSE IT INVOLVES A DIFFERENT ASPECT)}} > > Amma's insight in calling the ego sadistic > (my term not Amma's) knocked me out. > Still cannot believe how keen a > notion this is. > > American Heritage Dictionary online > defines the word suppress as: "To curtail > or prohibit the activities of." > > My sense here is that Amma is using > this word in a broad sense. Here > is my clumsy attempt at interpreting > Her meaning. > > The Ego enjoys manipulating others > into submitting to MY self centered > needs. Let's say I want a friend to > eat at a chinese restaurant yet he > prefers Japanese. My tendency is > to try to manipulate him in some way > to get my self centered way. This > seems akin to co-depency. > > Another way the ego suppresses "others" > is refusing to allow the "other" person > the space to be what they want to be > and/or think what they want to think > or believe what they want to believe > rather than what (MY blankedy blank EGO) > prefers them to be, think and believe. > > GeorgeSon, thanks for the multi faceted explanation. To take your explanation to its next logical progression. Instead of trying to change the external situation to suit ME. The changes need to take place in my perception. (thought processes.) As Amma has said in Awaken Children, I believe, we must get rid of our likes & dislikes. With love and compassion as my guide.Not forgetting I have a far superior goal in life. Everyone else is just where they are supposed to be in their evolvement. I believe the highest form of service is getting myself liberated.(which would be total unselfishness) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Hmmm, not incoherent I daresay -- more like, in the philosophical zone. I'm trying to think of the lessons my cranial-sacral therapist was teaching me last summer about nonviolent communication, and they are not coming quite to mind. But perhaps that is one aspect of the question you are working with here? In other words, ae you saying you "bristle" because there is an assumption of suppression or conforming being cast upon your way of being, and that kind of expectation doesn't seem to leave sufficient space for a sattvickization like opening or developing or evolving happen along its own natural, karmic cycles? (Sattvickization, I daresay, is not on that lovely online dictionary. Sorry for the neologism.) loveprashanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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