Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Dear Lien, Capricorn sign represents the knees and Saturn is its lord. Btw, by having Saturn in your first house it is in marana karaka sthana, perhaps that's why your knees are sensitive. What is your lagna? Ys, Dhira Krsna dasa, web sites: <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html> <Dhira_ayanamsa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Dear Lien Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place of birth? My programme gives six choices for the place you mention. in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the eleventh house cusp for a Scorpio asc which you say is your lagna. Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you think?? best wishes m - lotus7moon Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM Re: saturn/knees Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret, I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn ruling the knees and in past 2 months another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee problems. I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any of my charts. So, this is news to me. Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the recent period of Saturn Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee problems at this time. I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on Saturn and found interesting perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of course delays and obstacles). I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the knee" signifies becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times since the combust period began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson-- I've been trying to use this time in a different way...moving more slowly, making some offerings to help others, give away posessions and appologizing for any shortness I have had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself to less Self-righteous ways. (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take great delight in being 'right") While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I am currently putting a little extra attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just fine,swelling and bruising are better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too. Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala Purusha (time personified) and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been taught? Thank you both for your observations!! Lien , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work for me when reading charts. > > best wishes > M > > - > Chandrashekhar > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > > Dear Margaret, > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > combination. > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > best wishes > > Margaret > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > <%40> > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Lien, > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > Saturn combust > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > practice humility'/bend > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > the combust period > > > started. > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > against the cosmic > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > advice based on other > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > namaste, > > > lien > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 My lagna is Virgo/Kanya. I have Rahu in Capricorn. See my newest post to Margaret--I will clear up my birth time issue. Lien , "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote: > > Dear Lien, > > Capricorn sign represents the knees and Saturn is its lord. Btw, by having > Saturn in your first house it is in marana karaka sthana, perhaps that's > why your knees are sensitive. What is your lagna? > > Ys, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > web sites: <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html> > <Dhira_ayanamsa> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Dear Margaret, I think I see what the problem is... The 1981 birth date belongs to Anand who posted his birth information in POST # 11447. My birth information was posted earlier and that is what Chandrashekhar has been working with. For your information, I will post it again and perhaps you will see some similaities in knee issues between myself and Anand! My DOB 27th August 1952 Place Austin, Texas Time 8:12 a.m. I am Kanya rising. Shani in 1st house. Rahu in Makara. I think someone mentioned that Anand's Shani is also in Virgo. Thank you. Hope this clarifies everything!!! Lien , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Dear Lien > Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place of birth? My programme gives six choices for the place you mention. > in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the eleventh house cusp for a Scorpio asc which you say is your lagna. > Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you think?? > best wishes > m > - > lotus7moon > > Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > > Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret, > I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn ruling the knees and in past 2 months > another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee problems. > I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any of my charts. So, this is news to > me. > Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the recent period of Saturn > Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee problems at this time. > I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on Saturn and found interesting > perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of course delays and obstacles). > > I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the knee" signifies > becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times since the combust period > began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson-- > I've been trying to use this time in a different way...moving more slowly, making some > offerings to help others, give away posessions and appologizing for any shortness I have > had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself to less Self-righteous ways. > (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take great delight in being 'right") > > While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I am currently putting a little extra > attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just fine,swelling and bruising are > better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too. > Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala Purusha (time personified) > and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been taught? > > Thank you both for your observations!! > Lien > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> wrote: > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly other astrologers have > slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > > combination. > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > best wishes > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40..com> > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > Saturn combust > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee....It > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > > the combust period > > > > started. > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > against the cosmic > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > advice based on other > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > namaste, > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Dear Lien Thanks for the correction1 In your chart natal Jupiter is currently aspected by transit Saturn, so giving a simple explanation of affliction to knees currently, without going into any further detail--so sorry but am very heavily focussed on non astrological projects at the moment and only looked at your query yesterday as a means of pleasant distraction!! However it is easy to experiment with the Cap/Sag rulership of knees debate, by simply collecting charts of people with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag and finding out which of them have moles on the knee area from birth. I would say that a person with the latter is more likely to have the mole on the knee than the former, unless the decanate placements have something else to add. Briefly one for your collection can be the chart I posted recently of the lady who wanted to know if she would have children. The chart shows Sat in Cap in ninth house. When a rasi has own ruler placed in it then that area of the body has a mark or mole from birth. This lady has moles on her left calve region from birth, not on her knee. This is the acid test of which rasi rules which part of the body, and is the simplest way to find and evidence for yourself, Best wishes m - lotus7moon Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:24 AM Re: saturn/knees Dear Margaret, I think I see what the problem is... The 1981 birth date belongs to Anand who posted his birth information in POST # 11447. My birth information was posted earlier and that is what Chandrashekhar has been working with. For your information, I will post it again and perhaps you will see some similaities in knee issues between myself and Anand! My DOB 27th August 1952 Place Austin, Texas Time 8:12 a.m. I am Kanya rising. Shani in 1st house. Rahu in Makara. I think someone mentioned that Anand's Shani is also in Virgo. Thank you. Hope this clarifies everything!!! Lien , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Dear Lien > Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place of birth? My programme gives six choices for the place you mention. > in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the eleventh house cusp for a Scorpio asc which you say is your lagna. > Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you think?? > best wishes > m > - > lotus7moon > > Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > > Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret, > I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn ruling the knees and in past 2 months > another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee problems. > I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any of my charts. So, this is news to > me. > Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the recent period of Saturn > Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee problems at this time. > I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on Saturn and found interesting > perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of course delays and obstacles). > > I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the knee" signifies > becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times since the combust period > began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson-- > I've been trying to use this time in a different way...moving more slowly, making some > offerings to help others, give away posessions and appologizing for any shortness I have > had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself to less Self-righteous ways. > (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take great delight in being 'right") > > While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I am currently putting a little extra > attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just fine,swelling and bruising are > better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too. > Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala Purusha (time personified) > and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been taught? > > Thank you both for your observations!! > Lien > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> wrote: > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly other astrologers have > slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > > combination. > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > best wishes > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > Saturn combust > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > > the combust period > > > > started. > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > against the cosmic > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > advice based on other > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > namaste, > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 THIS IS INTERESTING MARGARET! You may like solving this question on another person's chart. Male DOB 5 Jan 1949 Norman, Oklahoma 6:14 a.m. LARGE BIRTH MOLE about 1 1/2 to 2 inches down from LEFT knee on inside leg.. In MAY this year --for no reason --his left knee began to hurt and stopped him from doing his morning routine of running. SEPT. 1967 he broke his achillies tendon while running and had to stop being on running scholarship to his university. USUALLY he experiences pain and gets physical therapy for RIGHT KNEE problems. MOST JYOTISHIS WONDER IF HIS BIRTHTIME IS INCORRECT...it was a concern since apparently it was decided by one that he was 0 degrees Saggitarius Lagna and he 'seemed' more like a capricorn. With this 6:14 birthtime he does have Saturn in ninth. Another jyotishi felt he might have been born at 6:09 a.m. After much rectification and looking into hospitalizations--it was decided the 6:14 time was correct. Another frequently asked question is about his body hair. He has a very furry body, bushy eyebrows and large dark eyes. When you finish other duties--you may want to examine this and see if he fits your mole- model! All the best, Lien , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Dear Lien > Thanks for the correction1 > In your chart natal Jupiter is currently aspected by transit Saturn, so giving a simple explanation of affliction to knees currently, without going into any further detail--so sorry but am very heavily focussed on non astrological projects at the moment and only looked at your query yesterday as a means of pleasant distraction!! > > However it is easy to experiment with the Cap/Sag rulership of knees debate, by simply collecting charts of people with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag and finding out which of them have moles on the knee area from birth. I would say that a person with the latter is more likely to have the mole on the knee than the former, unless the decanate placements have something else to add. > > Briefly one for your collection can be the chart I posted recently of the lady who wanted to know if she would have children. The chart shows Sat in Cap in ninth house. When a rasi has own ruler placed in it then that area of the body has a mark or mole from birth. This lady has moles on her left calve region from birth, not on her knee. > This is the acid test of which rasi rules which part of the body, and is the simplest way to find and evidence for yourself, > Best wishes > m > > > - > lotus7moon > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:24 AM > Re: saturn/knees > > > Dear Margaret, > I think I see what the problem is... > The 1981 birth date belongs to Anand who posted his birth information in POST # 11447. > My birth information was posted earlier and that is what Chandrashekhar has been > working with. > For your information, I will post it again and perhaps you will see some similaities in > knee issues between myself and Anand! > > My DOB > 27th August 1952 > Place > Austin, Texas > Time > 8:12 a.m. > > I am Kanya rising. Shani in 1st house. Rahu in Makara. > > I think someone mentioned that Anand's Shani is also in Virgo. > > Thank you. Hope this clarifies everything!!! > > Lien > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lien > > Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place of birth? My programme gives > six choices for the place you mention. > > in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the eleventh house cusp for a Scorpio > asc which you say is your lagna. > > Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you think?? > > best wishes > > m > > - > > lotus7moon > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret, > > I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn ruling the knees and in past 2 > months > > another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee problems. > > I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any of my charts. So, this is news > to > > me. > > Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the recent period of Saturn > > Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee problems at this time. > > I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on Saturn and found interesting > > perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of course delays and > obstacles). > > > > I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the knee" signifies > > becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times since the combust period > > began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson-- > > I've been trying to use this time in a different way...moving more slowly, making some > > offerings to help others, give away posessions and appologizing for any shortness I > have > > had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself to less Self-righteous ways. > > (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take great delight in being 'right") > > > > While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I am currently putting a little > extra > > attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just fine,swelling and bruising are > > better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too. > > Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala Purusha (time personified) > > and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been taught? > > > > Thank you both for your observations!! > > Lien > > > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly other astrologers > have > > slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > > > combination. > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > best wishes > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > < %40> > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > > > the combust period > > > > > started. > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > namaste, > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Hi Lien, Comments below: , "lotus7moon" <lotus7moon wrote: > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust > period? Speaking just from my own experience, I would have to say no. It's too general an influence for everyone. Saturn is combust the Sun only for about 35 days in a row per year, and the period when that takes place would be later in the year each year and probably not a reliable indicator. Combust planets are considered to be weakened while combustion occurs and might be associated with the possibility of certain physical weaknesses, but not necessarily injuries. For injuries to take place, Saturn would have to be afflicted by another planet either in the natal chart or by transit, or forming a major transit to the chart. In other words, I would not consider a combust Saturn by itself a reliable indicator to anticipate knee problems. On the other hand, if Saturn is afflicted or transiting the natal chart under the circumstances I have described, the injury might be subtly aggravated if Saturn is also combust. > Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? Oh yes, in terms of body symbology. I love "Heal Your Body" by Louise L. Hay. It's a treasure. About knee problems, she says: "Represents pride & ego...stubborn ego and pride. The inability to bend. Fear. Won't give in." This relates to what you said about the 'lesson'. > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > started. Here's the real reason, in my view: Transiting Saturn in sidereal Cancer started aspecting your Mercury during the second half of July. This is a major transit because Mercury is lord of your Virgo ascendant and represents the physical body. This transit can indicate mental fatigue or tiredness. Most astrologers consider Saturn as representing the knees, and Mercury represents the nerves. Saturn can crimp, pinch or obstruct and as 6H lord of acute health conditions, can indicate some type of a knee injury. Saturn aspects Mercury through the end of October. So babying the knees might be a good idea within this period. > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic > educational process. This is beautiful. > But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > namaste, > lien > Best wishes, Haizen Paige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Dear Anand: Sorry about the delay, but here are a few health comments about your knees: For reasons I hope to explain, I am not surprised about your knee injury. You have natal Sun, Ketu in Venus in Capricorn, and Capricorn is given rulership over the knee area by most astrologers. Ketu in this sign is considered to be unfriendly to the knees. So there's a genetic vulnerability here that should be watched throughout your life. Mars and Mercury in Aquarius indicate vulnerability to the shank, calf or ankle area, and can point to ankle accidents or injuries, or problems of circulation. The 10H represents the joints, knees and bones and it's ruled by the Sun in Capricorn, with Ketu. Again, knee weaknesses or vulnerabilities are shown. Moon in Pisces is in a weak avasthas (within the first 5 degrees of its sign) and can indicate sensitive feet or the need to wear well-fitting or custom shoes. Pamper your feet! Don't wear shoes that are too small for your feet. At the time of your accident on July 30, Saturn, representing the knees, was transiting malefic natal Rahu. In addition, Sun as 10L of the knees was also transiting Rahu, and pointing toward a knee injury. Plus, transiting Mars as 6L of accidents was passing through the 10H of the knees and aspecting Mars and Mercury in Aquarius, signifying the shank area. That's quite a few factors related to knees and legs. So. Don't rush your recovery from this injury. Be wise and do everything in your power not to let knee or leg problems become chronic. Leg exercises to increase the blood circulation of your legs might also be a good idea, but don't get injured exercising either. That would be a strange irony! And please keep in mind that transiting Saturn will be aspecting your natal Sun off and on between now and next July--with both planets signifying the bones in some way or structural matters. Take care of your overall health and your knees. In the more immediate future, Saturn will pull away from the troublesome natal Rahu influence by the end of August and that should bring you more relief. Nevertheless, I would still encourage you to give yourself additional time not to make heavy demands on your knees or legs until you feel the injury is fully recovered. Please do not neglect further problems. Full recovery now means less chance of developing a chronic knee problem later in life. Scorpio lagnas can make heavy demands upon their body and so can people who have a number of planets in Capricorn. It's hard for them to slow down or give their body any quarter or the rest it needs. By listening to your body and approaching the achievement of your goals with balance and moderation, you will be fine. Best wishes, Haizen Paige , Anand <anandmathakari wrote: > > Hi All, > > I also have the injury to Right Knee. I had an accident on 30th July 06 i.e. on Sunday & my Knee get injured. Till know it is not get cuered. So please any one can explain is this the effect of Saturn Combust. > > Regards, > Anand > > lotus7moon <lotus7moon wrote: > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > started. > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > namaste, > lien > > > > > > > Thanx & Regards, > Anand Mathakari > 9822199980 > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: saturn/knees Dear Anand: Sorry about the delay, but here are a few health comments about your knees: For reasons I hope to explain, I am not surprised about your knee injury. You have natal Sun, Ketu in Venus in Capricorn, and Capricorn is given rulership over the knee area by most astrologers. Ketu in this sign is considered to be unfriendly to the knees. So there's a genetic vulnerability here that should be watched throughout your life. Mars and Mercury in Aquarius indicate vulnerability to the shank, calf or ankle area, and can point to ankle accidents or injuries, or problems of circulation. The 10H represents the joints, knees and bones and it's ruled by the Sun in Capricorn, with Ketu. Again, knee weaknesses or vulnerabilities are shown. Moon in Pisces is in a weak avasthas (within the first 5 degrees of its sign) and can indicate sensitive feet or the need to wear well-fitting or custom shoes. Pamper your feet! Don't wear shoes that are too small for your feet. At the time of your accident on July 30, Saturn, representing the knees, was transiting malefic natal Rahu. In addition, Sun as 10L of the knees was also transiting Rahu, and pointing toward a knee injury. Plus, transiting Mars as 6L of accidents was passing through the 10H of the knees and aspecting Mars and Mercury in Aquarius, signifying the shank area. That's quite a few factors related to knees and legs. So. Don't rush your recovery from this injury. Be wise and do everything in your power not to let knee or leg problems become chronic. Leg exercises to increase the blood circulation of your legs might also be a good idea, but don't get injured exercising either. That would be a strange irony! And please keep in mind that transiting Saturn will be aspecting your natal Sun off and on between now and next July--with both planets signifying the bones in some way or structural matters. Take care of your overall health and your knees. In the more immediate future, Saturn will pull away from the troublesome natal Rahu influence by the end of August and that should bring you more relief. Nevertheless, I would still encourage you to give yourself additional time not to make heavy demands on your knees or legs until you feel the injury is fully recovered. Please do not neglect further problems. Full recovery now means less chance of developing a chronic knee problem later in life. Scorpio lagnas can make heavy demands upon their body and so can people who have a number of planets in Capricorn. It's hard for them to slow down or give their body any quarter or the rest it needs. By listening to your body and approaching the achievement of your goals with balance and moderation, you will be fine. Best wishes, Haizen Paige , Anand <anandmathakari wrote: > > Hi All, > > I also have the injury to Right Knee. I had an accident on 30th July 06 i.e. on Sunday & my Knee get injured. Till know it is not get cuered. So please any one can explain is this the effect of Saturn Combust. > > Regards, > Anand > > lotus7moon <lotus7moon wrote: > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > started. > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > namaste, > lien > > > > > > > Thanx & Regards, > Anand Mathakari > 9822199980 > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: saturn/knees Hi Lien, Comments below: , "lotus7moon" <lotus7moon wrote: > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust > period? Speaking just from my own experience, I would have to say no. It's too general an influence for everyone. Saturn is combust the Sun only for about 35 days in a row per year, and the period when that takes place would be later in the year each year and probably not a reliable indicator. Combust planets are considered to be weakened while combustion occurs and might be associated with the possibility of certain physical weaknesses, but not necessarily injuries. For injuries to take place, Saturn would have to be afflicted by another planet either in the natal chart or by transit, or forming a major transit to the chart. In other words, I would not consider a combust Saturn by itself a reliable indicator to anticipate knee problems. On the other hand, if Saturn is afflicted or transiting the natal chart under the circumstances I have described, the injury might be subtly aggravated if Saturn is also combust. > Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? Oh yes, in terms of body symbology. I love "Heal Your Body" by Louise L. Hay. It's a treasure. About knee problems, she says: "Represents pride & ego...stubborn ego and pride. The inability to bend. Fear. Won't give in." This relates to what you said about the 'lesson'. > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > started. Here's the real reason, in my view: Transiting Saturn in sidereal Cancer started aspecting your Mercury during the second half of July. This is a major transit because Mercury is lord of your Virgo ascendant and represents the physical body. This transit can indicate mental fatigue or tiredness. Most astrologers consider Saturn as representing the knees, and Mercury represents the nerves. Saturn can crimp, pinch or obstruct and as 6H lord of acute health conditions, can indicate some type of a knee injury. Saturn aspects Mercury through the end of October. So babying the knees might be a good idea within this period. > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic > educational process. This is beautiful. > But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > namaste, > lien > Best wishes, Haizen Paige , "lotus7moon" <lotus7moon wrote: > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > started. > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > namaste, > lien > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: saturn/knees Dear Anand: Sorry about the delay, but here are a few health comments about your knees: For reasons I hope to explain, I am not surprised about your knee injury. You have natal Sun, Ketu in Venus in Capricorn, and Capricorn is given rulership over the knee area by most astrologers. Ketu in this sign is considered to be unfriendly to the knees. So there's a genetic vulnerability here that should be watched throughout your life. Mars and Mercury in Aquarius indicate vulnerability to the shank, calf or ankle area, and can point to ankle accidents or injuries, or problems of circulation. The 10H represents the joints, knees and bones and it's ruled by the Sun in Capricorn, with Ketu. Again, knee weaknesses or vulnerabilities are shown. Moon in Pisces is in a weak avasthas (within the first 5 degrees of its sign) and can indicate sensitive feet or the need to wear well-fitting or custom shoes. Pamper your feet! Don't wear shoes that are too small for your feet. At the time of your accident on July 30, Saturn, representing the knees, was transiting malefic natal Rahu. In addition, Sun as 10L of the knees was also transiting Rahu, and pointing toward a knee injury. Plus, transiting Mars as 6L of accidents was passing through the 10H of the knees and aspecting Mars and Mercury in Aquarius, signifying the shank area. That's quite a few factors related to knees and legs. So. Don't rush your recovery from this injury. Be wise and do everything in your power not to let knee or leg problems become chronic. Leg exercises to increase the blood circulation of your legs might also be a good idea, but don't get injured exercising either. That would be a strange irony! And please keep in mind that transiting Saturn will be aspecting your natal Sun off and on between now and next July--with both planets signifying the bones in some way or structural matters. Take care of your overall health and your knees. In the more immediate future, Saturn will pull away from the troublesome natal Rahu influence by the end of August and that should bring you more relief. Nevertheless, I would still encourage you to give yourself additional time not to make heavy demands on your knees or legs until you feel the injury is fully recovered. Please do not neglect further problems. Full recovery now means less chance of developing a chronic knee problem later in life. Scorpio lagnas can make heavy demands upon their body and so can people who have a number of planets in Capricorn. It's hard for them to slow down or give their body any quarter or the rest it needs. By listening to your body and approaching the achievement of your goals with balance and moderation, you will be fine. Best wishes, Haizen Paige , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Lien, > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > Chandrashekhar. > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > Saturn combust > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > practice humility'/bend > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > wouldn't have seemed > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > the combust period > > started. > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > against the cosmic > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > advice based on other > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > namaste, > > lien > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Thanks Haizen! Your analysis below was very helpful! I have also been feeling the fatigue that you mentioned below. And, I remember reading that louise hay book some time ago--I think it might be interesting to revisit some of her suggestions. October seems a long way off! Thank you for all your observations and information. All the best, Lien , "haizen" <haizen wrote: > > Re: saturn/knees > > Hi Lien, > > Comments below: > > , "lotus7moon" > <lotus7moon@> wrote: > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee > injuries during a Saturn combust > > period? > > Speaking just from my own experience, I would have to > say no. It's too general an influence for everyone. > Saturn is combust the Sun only for about 35 days > in a row per year, and the period when that takes place > would be later in the year each year and probably not a > reliable indicator. Combust planets are considered to be > weakened while combustion occurs and might be associated > with the possibility of certain physical weaknesses, but > not necessarily injuries. For injuries to take place, Saturn > would have to be afflicted by another planet either in the > natal chart or by transit, or forming a major transit to the > chart. In other words, I would not consider a combust > Saturn by itself a reliable indicator to anticipate knee > problems. On the other hand, if Saturn is afflicted or > transiting the natal chart under the circumstances I have > described, the injury might be subtly aggravated if Saturn > is also combust. > > > Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher > power when under influence of Saturn? > > Oh yes, in terms of body symbology. I love "Heal Your Body" > by Louise L. Hay. It's a treasure. About knee problems, she says: > "Represents pride & ego...stubborn ego and pride. The inability to > bend. Fear. Won't give in." This relates to what you said about > the 'lesson'. > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > knee...It wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain > in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > > started. > > Here's the real reason, in my view: Transiting Saturn in sidereal > Cancer started aspecting your Mercury during the second half > of July. This is a major transit because Mercury is lord of your > Virgo ascendant and represents the physical body. This transit > can indicate mental fatigue or tiredness. Most astrologers consider > Saturn as representing the knees, and Mercury represents the nerves. > Saturn can crimp, pinch or obstruct and as 6H lord of acute health > conditions, can indicate some type of a knee injury. Saturn aspects > Mercury through the end of October. So babying the knees might > be a good idea within this period. > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > against the cosmic > > educational process. > > This is beautiful. > > > But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > namaste, > > lien > > > > Best wishes, Haizen Paige > > > > > , "lotus7moon" <lotus7moon@> wrote: > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/ bend > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have > seemed > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > > started. > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > namaste, > > lien > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Hi Lien, , "lotus7moon" <lotus7moon wrote: > > > Thanks Haizen! Your analysis below was very helpful! You're welcome. > I have also been feeling the fatigue that you mentioned > below. And, I remember reading that louise hay book some > time ago--I think it might be interesting to revisit some of > her suggestions. October seems a long way off! Lois Hay book is a gem in my view. Sometimes Saturn wants us to rest more and build ourselves up and that can take one a few week to complete the process. It doesn't have to mean a bum knee for that length of time. But it tends to be a serious soul-searching transit, where some important decisions may need to be made. Saturn to Mercury can also indicate more demands at work too. The good part is that it's a fantastic transit for study and research--what Virgos are prone to love to begin with. It's just that Mercury, as the Asc lord, is the primary indicator of health, and Saturn rules the 6H of 'functional' health (how well the body works). So having the combination of the two shows that you are under 'health' aspects and your body is likely to require more time and attention until Saturn is finished with its transit to Mercury. That's all. (Most Virgo Asc are health-conscious to begin with, and that helps.) Anyway, it might be interesting for others to know when your knee problem clears up. Those around you having knee problems would most likely have a similar transit going on too. > Thank you for all your observations and information. My pleasure....Haizen > All the best, > Lien > > > , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote: > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Hi Lien, > > > > Comments below: > > > > , "lotus7moon" > > <lotus7moon@> wrote: > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee > > injuries during a Saturn combust > > > period? > > > > Speaking just from my own experience, I would have to > > say no. It's too general an influence for everyone. > > Saturn is combust the Sun only for about 35 days > > in a row per year, and the period when that takes place > > would be later in the year each year and probably not a > > reliable indicator. Combust planets are considered to be > > weakened while combustion occurs and might be associated > > with the possibility of certain physical weaknesses, but > > not necessarily injuries. For injuries to take place, Saturn > > would have to be afflicted by another planet either in the > > natal chart or by transit, or forming a major transit to the > > chart. In other words, I would not consider a combust > > Saturn by itself a reliable indicator to anticipate knee > > problems. On the other hand, if Saturn is afflicted or > > transiting the natal chart under the circumstances I have > > described, the injury might be subtly aggravated if Saturn > > is also combust. > > > > > Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher > > power when under influence of Saturn? > > > > Oh yes, in terms of body symbology. I love "Heal Your Body" > > by Louise L. Hay. It's a treasure. About knee problems, she says: > > "Represents pride & ego...stubborn ego and pride. The inability to > > bend. Fear. Won't give in." This relates to what you said about > > the 'lesson'. > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > knee...It wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain > > in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > > > started. > > > > Here's the real reason, in my view: Transiting Saturn in sidereal > > Cancer started aspecting your Mercury during the second half > > of July. This is a major transit because Mercury is lord of your > > Virgo ascendant and represents the physical body. This transit > > can indicate mental fatigue or tiredness. Most astrologers consider > > Saturn as representing the knees, and Mercury represents the nerves. > > Saturn can crimp, pinch or obstruct and as 6H lord of acute health > > conditions, can indicate some type of a knee injury. Saturn aspects > > Mercury through the end of October. So babying the knees might > > be a good idea within this period. > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > against the cosmic > > > educational process. > > > > This is beautiful. > > > > > But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > namaste, > > > lien > > > > > > > Best wishes, Haizen Paige > > > > > > > > > > , "lotus7moon" <lotus7moon@> wrote: > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/ > bend > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have > > seemed > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust > period > > > started. > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on > other > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > namaste, > > > lien > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Dear Lien Yes I looked up the injuries and the dasa do reflect their nature. A good example thanks. I would caution accepting another's version of their moles and scars however. I once had a male who also needed a correction to lagna who swore he had no scar on his left leg. When he arrived I went through the moles and marks with him (I enjoy stripping men as I find it quite an amusing party trick-- though confess at stopping at needing to see on which testicle they had a vasectomy!) He had an enormous six inch long, one inch wide scar on his left shin. When I asked why he said on the phone he didn't have such a scar he said he had forgotten about it! Similarly the lady whose chart had Sat in Cap. She said she had no moles on her left leg, I didn't believe her as I trust this aspect of astrology, but when I asked her to show me their absence, there were four little moles. She gasped in surprise and confessed she hardly noticed them. I think it is good to follow the plan of examining knees of those with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag as I said before, that way you will build up your own understanding of which is accurate instead of just relying on textbooks. best wishes m - lotus7moon Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:34 PM Re: saturn/knees THIS IS INTERESTING MARGARET! You may like solving this question on another person's chart. Male DOB 5 Jan 1949 Norman, Oklahoma 6:14 a.m. LARGE BIRTH MOLE about 1 1/2 to 2 inches down from LEFT knee on inside leg. In MAY this year --for no reason --his left knee began to hurt and stopped him from doing his morning routine of running. SEPT. 1967 he broke his achillies tendon while running and had to stop being on running scholarship to his university. USUALLY he experiences pain and gets physical therapy for RIGHT KNEE problems. MOST JYOTISHIS WONDER IF HIS BIRTHTIME IS INCORRECT...it was a concern since apparently it was decided by one that he was 0 degrees Saggitarius Lagna and he 'seemed' more like a capricorn. With this 6:14 birthtime he does have Saturn in ninth. Another jyotishi felt he might have been born at 6:09 a.m. After much rectification and looking into hospitalizations--it was decided the 6:14 time was correct. Another frequently asked question is about his body hair. He has a very furry body, bushy eyebrows and large dark eyes. When you finish other duties--you may want to examine this and see if he fits your mole- model! All the best, Lien , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Dear Lien > Thanks for the correction1 > In your chart natal Jupiter is currently aspected by transit Saturn, so giving a simple explanation of affliction to knees currently, without going into any further detail--so sorry but am very heavily focussed on non astrological projects at the moment and only looked at your query yesterday as a means of pleasant distraction!! > > However it is easy to experiment with the Cap/Sag rulership of knees debate, by simply collecting charts of people with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag and finding out which of them have moles on the knee area from birth. I would say that a person with the latter is more likely to have the mole on the knee than the former, unless the decanate placements have something else to add. > > Briefly one for your collection can be the chart I posted recently of the lady who wanted to know if she would have children. The chart shows Sat in Cap in ninth house. When a rasi has own ruler placed in it then that area of the body has a mark or mole from birth. This lady has moles on her left calve region from birth, not on her knee. > This is the acid test of which rasi rules which part of the body, and is the simplest way to find and evidence for yourself, > Best wishes > m > > > - > lotus7moon > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:24 AM > Re: saturn/knees > > > Dear Margaret, > I think I see what the problem is... > The 1981 birth date belongs to Anand who posted his birth information in POST # 11447. > My birth information was posted earlier and that is what Chandrashekhar has been > working with. > For your information, I will post it again and perhaps you will see some similaities in > knee issues between myself and Anand! > > My DOB > 27th August 1952 > Place > Austin, Texas > Time > 8:12 a.m. > > I am Kanya rising. Shani in 1st house. Rahu in Makara. > > I think someone mentioned that Anand's Shani is also in Virgo. > > Thank you. Hope this clarifies everything!!! > > Lien > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lien > > Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place of birth? My programme gives > six choices for the place you mention. > > in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the eleventh house cusp for a Scorpio > asc which you say is your lagna. > > Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you think?? > > best wishes > > m > > - > > lotus7moon > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret, > > I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn ruling the knees and in past 2 > months > > another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee problems. > > I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any of my charts. So, this is news > to > > me. > > Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the recent period of Saturn > > Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee problems at this time. > > I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on Saturn and found interesting > > perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of course delays and > obstacles). > > > > I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the knee" signifies > > becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times since the combust period > > began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson-- > > I've been trying to use this time in a different way...moving more slowly, making some > > offerings to help others, give away posessions and appologizing for any shortness I > have > > had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself to less Self-righteous ways. > > (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take great delight in being 'right") > > > > While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I am currently putting a little > extra > > attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just fine,swelling and bruising are > > better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too. > > Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala Purusha (time personified) > > and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been taught? > > > > Thank you both for your observations!! > > Lien > > > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly other astrologers > have > > slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > > > combination. > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > best wishes > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > < %40> > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > > > the combust period > > > > > started. > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > namaste, > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 margaret-- so regarding moles-- are you saying that even NEW moles reflect your this? I thought it was just birth moles. lien , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Dear Lien > > Yes I looked up the injuries and the dasa do reflect their nature. A good example thanks. > I would caution accepting another's version of their moles and scars however. I once had a male who also needed a correction to lagna who swore he had no scar on his left leg. When he arrived I went through the moles and marks with him (I enjoy stripping men as I find it quite an amusing party trick-- though confess at stopping at needing to see on which testicle they had a vasectomy!) He had an enormous six inch long, one inch wide scar on his left shin. When I asked why he said on the phone he didn't have such a scar he said he had forgotten about it! > Similarly the lady whose chart had Sat in Cap. She said she had no moles on her left leg, I didn't believe her as I trust this aspect of astrology, but when I asked her to show me their absence, there were four little moles. She gasped in surprise and confessed she hardly noticed them. > I think it is good to follow the plan of examining knees of those with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag as I said before, that way you will build up your own understanding of which is accurate instead of just relying on textbooks. > best wishes > m > > > - > lotus7moon > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:34 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > > THIS IS INTERESTING MARGARET! > You may like solving this question on another person's chart. > Male > DOB > 5 Jan 1949 > Norman, Oklahoma > 6:14 a.m. > > LARGE BIRTH MOLE about 1 1/2 to 2 inches down from LEFT knee on inside leg. > In MAY this year --for no reason --his left knee began to hurt and stopped him from > doing his morning routine of running. > > SEPT. 1967 he broke his achillies tendon while running and had to stop being on running > scholarship to his university. > > USUALLY he experiences pain and gets physical therapy for RIGHT KNEE problems. > > MOST JYOTISHIS WONDER IF HIS BIRTHTIME IS INCORRECT...it was a concern since > apparently it was decided by one that he was 0 degrees Saggitarius Lagna and he 'seemed' > more like a capricorn. > With this 6:14 birthtime he does have Saturn in ninth. > Another jyotishi felt he might have been born at 6:09 a.m. > After much rectification and looking into hospitalizations--it was decided the 6:14 time > was correct. > Another frequently asked question is about his body hair. He has a very furry body, bushy > eyebrows and large dark eyes. > > When you finish other duties--you may want to examine this and see if he fits your mole- > model! > > All the best, > Lien > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lien > > Thanks for the correction1 > > In your chart natal Jupiter is currently aspected by transit Saturn, so giving a simple > explanation of affliction to knees currently, without going into any further detail--so sorry > but am very heavily focussed on non astrological projects at the moment and only looked > at your query yesterday as a means of pleasant distraction!! > > > > However it is easy to experiment with the Cap/Sag rulership of knees debate, by simply > collecting charts of people with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag and finding out which of them > have moles on the knee area from birth. I would say that a person with the latter is more > likely to have the mole on the knee than the former, unless the decanate placements have > something else to add. > > > > Briefly one for your collection can be the chart I posted recently of the lady who wanted > to know if she would have children. The chart shows Sat in Cap in ninth house. When a rasi > has own ruler placed in it then that area of the body has a mark or mole from birth. This > lady has moles on her left calve region from birth, not on her knee. > > This is the acid test of which rasi rules which part of the body, and is the simplest way > to find and evidence for yourself, > > Best wishes > > m > > > > > > - > > lotus7moon > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:24 AM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > I think I see what the problem is... > > The 1981 birth date belongs to Anand who posted his birth information in POST # > 11447. > > My birth information was posted earlier and that is what Chandrashekhar has been > > working with. > > For your information, I will post it again and perhaps you will see some similaities in > > knee issues between myself and Anand! > > > > My DOB > > 27th August 1952 > > Place > > Austin, Texas > > Time > > 8:12 a.m. > > > > I am Kanya rising. Shani in 1st house. Rahu in Makara. > > > > I think someone mentioned that Anand's Shani is also in Virgo. > > > > Thank you. Hope this clarifies everything!!! > > > > Lien > > > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lien > > > Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place of birth? My programme > gives > > six choices for the place you mention. > > > in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the eleventh house cusp for a Scorpio > > asc which you say is your lagna. > > > Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you think?? > > > best wishes > > > m > > > - > > > lotus7moon > > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret, > > > I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn ruling the knees and in past 2 > > months > > > another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee problems.. > > > I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any of my charts. So, this is > news > > to > > > me. > > > Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the recent period of Saturn > > > Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee problems at this time. > > > I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on Saturn and found interesting > > > perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of course delays and > > obstacles). > > > > > > I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the knee" signifies > > > becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times since the combust > period > > > began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson-- > > > I've been trying to use this time in a different way...moving more slowly, making > some > > > offerings to help others, give away posessions and appologizing for any shortness I > > have > > > had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself to less Self-righteous > ways. > > > (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take great delight in being 'right") > > > > > > While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I am currently putting a little > > extra > > > attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just fine,swelling and bruising are > > > better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too. > > > Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala Purusha (time personified) > > > and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been taught? > > > > > > Thank you both for your observations!! > > > Lien > > > > > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly other astrologers > > have > > > slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work for me when reading > charts. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > M > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > > > > combination. > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > best wishes > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > < > %40> > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > started. > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Dear Lien As I said earlier, planets in own sign produce moles or marks from birth on the part of body represented by the sign. This is why I posted the experiment of examining those specific charts with Jup in Sag/ Sat in Cap so you could experiment yourself with seeing which signification produced moles on the knee area. In my experience of examining bodies over the decades, it would always be Jup in Sag which gets the mole on knee from birth, not Sat in Cap, but I am open to others presenting evidence to the contrary, I merely present my own experience here. Other moles or marks can appear on other parts of the body as life evolves and usually correlate to where benefices are located in signs representing that part of the body. This is the same with injuries also, which occur on those parts of the body aspected or afflicted by malefics. In your friend's case with Sun and Jup in Sag asc, the fact that malefic Sun aspects knees i.e Sag and Jup, shows why he keeps needing therapy on the right knee. His feet are also afflicted by Sun's aspect. I'm sorry I cant post more on this amazing side of kalapurusha, but hopefully you can now experiment for yourself to find out which is the sign associated with knees, rather than taking just my word for it. Though I would point you to Brihat Jataka--amongst too many others to list--, where he gives the fifth and ninth house, third decanate for knees also, and other important techniques for you to learn and use. the most brilliant aspect of this side of astrology is that it is so easy to evidence for yourself with a little real life research. best wishes M - lotus7moon Sunday, August 13, 2006 2:14 PM Re: saturn/knees margaret-- so regarding moles-- are you saying that even NEW moles reflect your this? I thought it was just birth moles. lien , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Dear Lien > > Yes I looked up the injuries and the dasa do reflect their nature. A good example thanks. > I would caution accepting another's version of their moles and scars however. I once had a male who also needed a correction to lagna who swore he had no scar on his left leg. When he arrived I went through the moles and marks with him (I enjoy stripping men as I find it quite an amusing party trick-- though confess at stopping at needing to see on which testicle they had a vasectomy!) He had an enormous six inch long, one inch wide scar on his left shin. When I asked why he said on the phone he didn't have such a scar he said he had forgotten about it! > Similarly the lady whose chart had Sat in Cap. She said she had no moles on her left leg, I didn't believe her as I trust this aspect of astrology, but when I asked her to show me their absence, there were four little moles. She gasped in surprise and confessed she hardly noticed them. > I think it is good to follow the plan of examining knees of those with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag as I said before, that way you will build up your own understanding of which is accurate instead of just relying on textbooks. > best wishes > m > > > - > lotus7moon > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:34 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > > THIS IS INTERESTING MARGARET! > You may like solving this question on another person's chart. > Male > DOB > 5 Jan 1949 > Norman, Oklahoma > 6:14 a.m. > > LARGE BIRTH MOLE about 1 1/2 to 2 inches down from LEFT knee on inside leg. > In MAY this year --for no reason --his left knee began to hurt and stopped him from > doing his morning routine of running. > > SEPT. 1967 he broke his achillies tendon while running and had to stop being on running > scholarship to his university. > > USUALLY he experiences pain and gets physical therapy for RIGHT KNEE problems. > > MOST JYOTISHIS WONDER IF HIS BIRTHTIME IS INCORRECT...it was a concern since > apparently it was decided by one that he was 0 degrees Saggitarius Lagna and he 'seemed' > more like a capricorn. > With this 6:14 birthtime he does have Saturn in ninth. > Another jyotishi felt he might have been born at 6:09 a.m. > After much rectification and looking into hospitalizations--it was decided the 6:14 time > was correct. > Another frequently asked question is about his body hair. He has a very furry body, bushy > eyebrows and large dark eyes. > > When you finish other duties--you may want to examine this and see if he fits your mole- > model! > > All the best, > Lien > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lien > > Thanks for the correction1 > > In your chart natal Jupiter is currently aspected by transit Saturn, so giving a simple > explanation of affliction to knees currently, without going into any further detail--so sorry > but am very heavily focussed on non astrological projects at the moment and only looked > at your query yesterday as a means of pleasant distraction!! > > > > However it is easy to experiment with the Cap/Sag rulership of knees debate, by simply > collecting charts of people with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag and finding out which of them > have moles on the knee area from birth. I would say that a person with the latter is more > likely to have the mole on the knee than the former, unless the decanate placements have > something else to add. > > > > Briefly one for your collection can be the chart I posted recently of the lady who wanted > to know if she would have children. The chart shows Sat in Cap in ninth house. When a rasi > has own ruler placed in it then that area of the body has a mark or mole from birth. This > lady has moles on her left calve region from birth, not on her knee. > > This is the acid test of which rasi rules which part of the body, and is the simplest way > to find and evidence for yourself, > > Best wishes > > m > > > > > > - > > lotus7moon > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:24 AM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > I think I see what the problem is... > > The 1981 birth date belongs to Anand who posted his birth information in POST # > 11447. > > My birth information was posted earlier and that is what Chandrashekhar has been > > working with. > > For your information, I will post it again and perhaps you will see some similaities in > > knee issues between myself and Anand! > > > > My DOB > > 27th August 1952 > > Place > > Austin, Texas > > Time > > 8:12 a.m. > > > > I am Kanya rising. Shani in 1st house. Rahu in Makara. > > > > I think someone mentioned that Anand's Shani is also in Virgo. > > > > Thank you. Hope this clarifies everything!!! > > > > Lien > > > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lien > > > Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place of birth? My programme > gives > > six choices for the place you mention. > > > in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the eleventh house cusp for a Scorpio > > asc which you say is your lagna. > > > Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you think?? > > > best wishes > > > m > > > - > > > lotus7moon > > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret, > > > I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn ruling the knees and in past 2 > > months > > > another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee problems. > > > I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any of my charts. So, this is > news > > to > > > me. > > > Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the recent period of Saturn > > > Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee problems at this time. > > > I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on Saturn and found interesting > > > perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of course delays and > > obstacles). > > > > > > I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the knee" signifies > > > becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times since the combust > period > > > began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson-- > > > I've been trying to use this time in a different way...moving more slowly, making > some > > > offerings to help others, give away posessions and appologizing for any shortness I > > have > > > had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself to less Self-righteous > ways. > > > (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take great delight in being 'right") > > > > > > While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I am currently putting a little > > extra > > > attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just fine,swelling and bruising are > > > better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too. > > > Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala Purusha (time personified) > > > and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been taught? > > > > > > Thank you both for your observations!! > > > Lien > > > > > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly other astrologers > > have > > > slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work for me when reading > charts. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > M > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > > > > combination. > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > best wishes > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > < > %40> > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > started. > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Dear Margaret, Is the reverse also true? [i.e., whether the statement is true vice-versa, too.....] Pankaj Margaret George <margaret.george (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote: When a rasi has own ruler placed in it then that area of the body has a mark or mole from birth. This is the acid test of which rasi rules which part of the body, and is the simplest way to find and evidence for yourself, Best wishes m Recent Activity 8 New Members 1 New Polls Visit Your Group New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on search. Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. Y! Messenger Talk it up - free! Call your friends worldwide - free! . Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Dear All, I will add another MOLE question. I am wondering about moles on the BACK. Can you make a case from my chart why the largest and possibly oldest mole I have is right in the upper center of my back?( opposite of sternum in front) Where does something on the back fit in the Kalapurusha model? This mole has actually been something people compliment me on-- so they think of it as sort of a sign of beauty because it is so centered....I don't know... In otherwords, most moles are sort of annoyances--whereas--this one is rather lovely, I guess. Think about this--why the expression "beauty mark". In the west--body markings are often called beauty marks. Why such an expression when the origin is so often malific planets or some precancerous situation medically??? Strange! Lien p.s. i just also discovered a little scar I forgot about on my left knee! You are right Margaret--we forget we have these things! Better to 'move on" sometimes!! ALSO...just to add one last thing --today TWO MORE PEOPLE TOLD ME THEY HAD KNEE PROBLEMS! I did not ask for this information. But, I have shared with you all this observation I have had just during the Saturn Combust period--people come to me to inform me of knee problems! This is what started this long forum thread! , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Do you have first decanate rising? > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > - > Chandrashekhar > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > > Dear Margaret, > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though Jupiter > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to read > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles > and scars is unraveled. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra effect. > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > Hope this is clearer. > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > similar version. > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > Best wishes > > M > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > <%40> > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > factored in. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > > > our physiology. > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs.. > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > best wishes > > > m > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > I see. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > M > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > > what is > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro > > Saturn > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, > > both > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as > > well. > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > analysis. > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > > Saturn > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > combination. > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, > > L6 of > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or > > Pisces > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > best wishes > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > represents the > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > > > Saturn? > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > knee...It > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever > > since > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > started. > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Dear All, I have one more instance of marks/moles.I have a dark mark on my forehead, near my hairline, from my birth. It was most prominent during my childhood. I have mars in Aries in 10th house (along with venus and mercury). So, I think this fits with swasketra definition? However, I have exalted jupiter in 1st house. Now, this gets confusing if the exalted planets also give marks corresponding to their house placement. Coming back to saturn/knees: My saturn is in second house in Leo with Rahu. I have lot of small scars on both my knees ( due to lot of knee injuries as a kid). I suddenly have knee problems from last couple of weeks. This is interesting since I had no trouble with them for a long time (years!). Interestingly enough,I have no scars on my thighs. I had some cuts and bruises to my thighs as a kid. Again, when I looked for them, all scars on thighs disappeared, whereas the scars on knees remained.There is moon in Sagittarius and no planets in Capricon. Hope this adds to the discussion. SK , "lotus7moon" <lotus7moon wrote: > > Dear All, > I will add another MOLE question. > I am wondering about moles on the BACK. Can you make a case from my chart why the > largest and possibly oldest mole I have is right in the upper center of my back?( opposite > of sternum in front) > Where does something on the back fit in the Kalapurusha model? > This mole has actually been something people compliment me on-- > so they think of it as sort of a sign of beauty because it is so centered...I don't know... > In otherwords, most moles are sort of annoyances--whereas--this one is rather lovely, I > guess. > Think about this--why the expression "beauty mark". In the west-- body markings are > often called beauty marks. Why such an expression when the origin is so often malific > planets or some precancerous situation medically??? Strange! > > Lien > p.s. i just also discovered a little scar I forgot about on my left knee! You are right > Margaret--we forget we have these things! Better to 'move on" sometimes!! > ALSO...just to add one last thing --today TWO MORE PEOPLE TOLD ME THEY HAD KNEE > PROBLEMS! I did not ask for this information. But, I have shared with you all this > observation I have had just during the Saturn Combust period-- people come to me to > inform me of knee problems! This is what started this long forum thread! > > > > , "Margaret George" <margaret.george@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Do you have first decanate rising? > > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as detailed in Brihat > Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra > from Gemini in your chart? > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. > > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though Jupiter > > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to read > > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles > > and scars is unraveled. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra effect. > > > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a > > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign > > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole > > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > > Hope this is clearer. > > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, > > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > > similar version. > > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > > Best wishes > > > M > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > <% 40> > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > > factored in. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > > > > our physiology. > > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > > best wishes > > > > m > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I see. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > > > what is > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro > > > Saturn > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, > > > both > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as > > > well. > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > > analysis. > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > > > Saturn > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > > combination. > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, > > > L6 of > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or > > > Pisces > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > > represents the > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > > knee...It > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever > > > since > > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Dear Margaret, >In my experience of examining bodies over the decades, it would always be >Jup in Sag which gets the mole on knee from birth, not Sat in Cap, but I >am open to others presenting evidence to the contrary, I merely present >my own experience here. When using drekkans for determination of moles, we will indeed take the 9th house for the left knee, and 5th for the right knee. Or opposite... I have a mole on the right side of my penis, who is the 2nd house from lagna for 3rd drekkan lagna, and have Jupiter there in Leo, while left side would be Mercury in own sign in Gemini. Venus in own sign is in Taurus, well, have to check my testicles, I didn't look there so closely. Even exalted planets or planets in friends sign may give moles, I think. This is according to Parasara Hora Sastra, chapter 12 on effects of the first house. So perhaps you can check in your examples whether those people having moles on the knees had a 3rd drekkan rising ascendant and a planet in own sign either in 5th or 9th. Otherwise the common understanding is that the sign of Capricorn represents the knees, while Sagittarius represents the hips and thighs, but then for seeing moles we have to apply the principle of drekkan. An example, chart attached has a big mole on the left cheek, even with hair growing out of it. Look good according to the drekkan principle. 1st drekkan = head and face 2nd drekkan= body and arms 3rd drekkan= pelvis to feet 20 Dec 1990 , 16:43 in Marche-en-famenne, Belgium. She has Saturn in 8th house in Capricorn....Saturn represents hair as well. You can see the table in Santhanam's BPHS. Ys, Dhira Krsna dasa, web sites: <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html> <Dhira_ayanamsa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Dear Lien Moles traditionally were a sign of beauty to the extent that people would even pencil in a mole on their face to enhance their beauty in England and across Europe centuries ago. Of course nowadays we have a different perspective on moles with medicine associating many of the blacker variety with cancer, but this does not mean that all moles are cancerous of course. With regard to the mole on your back I would attribute it to Sun in own sign of Leo, but the fact that it is aspected by two benefics can only enhance its beauty! best wishes M - lotus7moon Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:50 AM Re: saturn/knees Dear All, I will add another MOLE question. I am wondering about moles on the BACK. Can you make a case from my chart why the largest and possibly oldest mole I have is right in the upper center of my back?( opposite of sternum in front) Where does something on the back fit in the Kalapurusha model? This mole has actually been something people compliment me on-- so they think of it as sort of a sign of beauty because it is so centered...I don't know... In otherwords, most moles are sort of annoyances--whereas--this one is rather lovely, I guess. Think about this--why the expression "beauty mark". In the west--body markings are often called beauty marks. Why such an expression when the origin is so often malific planets or some precancerous situation medically??? Strange! Lien p.s. i just also discovered a little scar I forgot about on my left knee! You are right Margaret--we forget we have these things! Better to 'move on" sometimes!! ALSO...just to add one last thing --today TWO MORE PEOPLE TOLD ME THEY HAD KNEE PROBLEMS! I did not ask for this information. But, I have shared with you all this observation I have had just during the Saturn Combust period--people come to me to inform me of knee problems! This is what started this long forum thread! , "Margaret George" <margaret.george wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Do you have first decanate rising? > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > - > Chandrashekhar > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > > Dear Margaret, > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though Jupiter > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to read > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles > and scars is unraveled. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra effect. > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > Hope this is clearer. > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > similar version. > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > Best wishes > > M > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > <%40> > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > factored in. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > > > our physiology. > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > best wishes > > > m > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > I see. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > M > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > > what is > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro > > Saturn > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, > > both > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as > > well. > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > analysis. > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > > Saturn > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > combination. > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, > > L6 of > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or > > Pisces > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > best wishes > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > represents the > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > > > Saturn? > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > knee...It > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever > > since > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > started. > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Hi, Of course there are these factors along with many others, I merely didn't want to get too complicated about this. In addition planets in own navamsa are also considered to give moles, the list is endless.......................................................the variables are multiple, and unfortunately I have to many things demanding my attention now to continue with this fascinating thread, though have enjoyed watching everyone undress and pay attention to their bodies!! Perhaps more jyotishes will now make good use of this aspect of astrology as all people I have used it with over the years have been convinced from the outset of how accurate this system is. Apologies to anyone else who would like me to respond but I am definitely unable to continue though will enjoy catching up later best wishes M - Dhira Krsna BCS Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:22 PM Re: saturn/knees Dear Margaret, >In my experience of examining bodies over the decades, it would always be >Jup in Sag which gets the mole on knee from birth, not Sat in Cap, but I >am open to others presenting evidence to the contrary, I merely present >my own experience here. When using drekkans for determination of moles, we will indeed take the 9th house for the left knee, and 5th for the right knee. Or opposite... I have a mole on the right side of my penis, who is the 2nd house from lagna for 3rd drekkan lagna, and have Jupiter there in Leo, while left side would be Mercury in own sign in Gemini. Venus in own sign is in Taurus, well, have to check my testicles, I didn't look there so closely. Even exalted planets or planets in friends sign may give moles, I think. This is according to Parasara Hora Sastra, chapter 12 on effects of the first house. So perhaps you can check in your examples whether those people having moles on the knees had a 3rd drekkan rising ascendant and a planet in own sign either in 5th or 9th. Otherwise the common understanding is that the sign of Capricorn represents the knees, while Sagittarius represents the hips and thighs, but then for seeing moles we have to apply the principle of drekkan. An example, chart attached has a big mole on the left cheek, even with hair growing out of it. Look good according to the drekkan principle. 1st drekkan = head and face 2nd drekkan= body and arms 3rd drekkan= pelvis to feet 20 Dec 1990 , 16:43 in Marche-en-famenne, Belgium. She has Saturn in 8th house in Capricorn....Saturn represents hair as well. You can see the table in Santhanam's BPHS. Ys, Dhira Krsna dasa, web sites: <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html> <Dhira_ayanamsa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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