Sagittarius as combatant sign/USA/KN Rao's views

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Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

Namaste

 

My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

appease with truth and reason.

 

[sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line as

Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is lesson

of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the real

Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views on

it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in this

thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I didnt

venture into that

 

So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may not

be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have it

has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

Sagittarius?

 

[sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so, the

data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong since

I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I shall

post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart from

matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

 

KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

 

4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data and

given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most undistinguished in

battle fields.

 

[sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees for it

being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it a

WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we see

now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also due

to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name it,

USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war. Am

wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

 

 

>

> In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the Lagna.

> Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

>

 

[sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is

in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was , a

subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told me &

to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

 

Always a pleasure to chat with u

 

Warm regards

 

Sunil

 

 

 

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> > Dear Raja,

> >

> > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

Chandrashekhar

> > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I feel

if

> > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

predictive

> > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> >

> > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I shall

> > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> >

> > The points are

> >

> > a) Observing Indias chart

> >

> > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> >

> > c) USA chart

> >

> > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today morning

on

> > the list re its accuracy

> >

> > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> >

> > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> >

> >

> > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > >

> > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to life.

so

> > I have

> > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is full

of

> > justice

> > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is mitigated

to

> > some

> > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend himself. I

> > really

> > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna so

if

> > that be

> > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

matter.

> > also

> > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

residence.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

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> > > (cell) 314.761.3134

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> > > rajagursahani@

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Sunil and others interested

 

Your email raises some important questions on USA's chart. A lot of

vedic astrologers here is USA use Dhanu Lagna including Sri Chakrapani

Ullal.

 

One point that I never clearly understood, if I use Leo Lagna as Sri

KN Rao uses, is the transits during Dec 1941 and Sep 2001 attacks on

USA. Both are almost sixty years apart (Jup and Sat in 1941 are in

Taurus and in Sep 2001 they are in Taurus and Gemini). Dec 1941 is the

infamous pearl harbor attacks on USA by Japan.

 

Transit of Jup /Sat in 1941 and 2001: If we take Dhanu lagna these

represent 6th and 7th houses. Whereas Leo lagna makes these as 10th

and 11th houses. Just by this data point, it suggests that Dhanu lagna

is possibly correct.

 

MS

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||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear M Sharma,

 

Thanks for ur mail. U are right, thanks for letting me know the month of

Pearl Harbour attack, I was wanting some more info. Though I had worked

on Sept 11 & the Afghan invasion thro transits & 3 dasas, I wanted few

more events to cross check.

 

Yes the transits are bang on with Sg lagna which I favor as in previous

posts. But Rao Saheb might have a point

 

a) 11H is Hara & 6th from 6th

 

b) 10H is 3rd from 8th

 

 

 

so Leo lagna cannot be ruled out just yet. Also Rao Saheb uses several

chakras for mundane and rare techniques as he has hinted in his works

which was taught to him by Hardeo Sharma Shastri, the legend.

 

Today afternoon was working on US invasion of Iraq & things match.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, "M. Sharma" <nakshatras wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil and others interested

>

> Your email raises some important questions on USA's chart. A lot of

> vedic astrologers here is USA use Dhanu Lagna including Sri Chakrapani

> Ullal.

>

> One point that I never clearly understood, if I use Leo Lagna as Sri

> KN Rao uses, is the transits during Dec 1941 and Sep 2001 attacks on

> USA. Both are almost sixty years apart (Jup and Sat in 1941 are in

> Taurus and in Sep 2001 they are in Taurus and Gemini). Dec 1941 is the

> infamous pearl harbor attacks on USA by Japan.

>

> Transit of Jup /Sat in 1941 and 2001: If we take Dhanu lagna these

> represent 6th and 7th houses. Whereas Leo lagna makes these as 10th

> and 11th houses. Just by this data point, it suggests that Dhanu lagna

> is possibly correct.

>

> MS

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is certainly a

combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the ancient

texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then Sagittarius

reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what Bhavartha

Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that definition.

 

I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

 

Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is generally

seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi signs.

 

In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I may

call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu combination and

the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the Lagna.

 

You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it being

war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

 

There are different times d to signing of the declaration and

the first says :

 

"July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning of

a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are in

the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy."

 

Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on what

is to be called Morning.

 

Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

 

"The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days

of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was

reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every

member present except Mr. Dickinson."

 

In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending on

what is to be treated as evening.

 

But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the sunset

on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

 

Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different lagna

for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> Namaste

>

> My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

> agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

> appease with truth and reason.

>

> [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line as

> Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

> humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

> spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is lesson

> of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the real

> Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views on

> it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in this

> thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

> that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I didnt

> venture into that

>

> So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may not

> be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have it

> has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

> Sagittarius?

>

> [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

> Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

> James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so, the

> data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong since

> I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I shall

> post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart from

> matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

>

> KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

>

> 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data and

> given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most undistinguished in

> battle fields.

>

> [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees for it

> being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it a

> WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we see

> now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

> MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also due

> to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name it,

> USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war. Am

> wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

> this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

>

> >

> > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the Lagna.

> > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> >

>

> [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is

> in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was , a

> subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told me &

> to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

> collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

>

> Always a pleasure to chat with u

>

> Warm regards

>

> Sunil

>

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > >

> > > Dear Raja,

> > >

> > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> Chandrashekhar

> > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I feel

> if

> > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> predictive

> > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > >

> > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I shall

> > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> > >

> > > The points are

> > >

> > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > >

> > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > >

> > > c) USA chart

> > >

> > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today morning

> on

> > > the list re its accuracy

> > >

> > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> > >

> > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to life.

> so

> > > I have

> > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is full

> of

> > > justice

> > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is mitigated

> to

> > > some

> > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend himself. I

> > > really

> > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna so

> if

> > > that be

> > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

> matter.

> > > also

> > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

> residence.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sincerely,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > ________\

> > > ____

> > > > __________________________

> > > >

> > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > >

> > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > >

> > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > >

> > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > >

> > > > rajagursahani@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

There are a few who use makar lagna chart based on

convention of the conntinental congress.I will dig up

that data when I get a chance.

 

Satish

 

--- "M. Sharma" <nakshatras > wrote:

 

> Dear Sunil and others interested

>

> Your email raises some important questions on USA's

> chart. A lot of

> vedic astrologers here is USA use Dhanu Lagna

> including Sri Chakrapani

> Ullal.

>

> One point that I never clearly understood, if I use

> Leo Lagna as Sri

> KN Rao uses, is the transits during Dec 1941 and

> Sep 2001 attacks on

> USA. Both are almost sixty years apart (Jup and Sat

> in 1941 are in

> Taurus and in Sep 2001 they are in Taurus and

> Gemini). Dec 1941 is the

> infamous pearl harbor attacks on USA by Japan.

>

> Transit of Jup /Sat in 1941 and 2001: If we take

> Dhanu lagna these

> represent 6th and 7th houses. Whereas Leo lagna

> makes these as 10th

> and 11th houses. Just by this data point, it

> suggests that Dhanu lagna

> is possibly correct.

>

> MS

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

U wrote:

 

> You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

 

 

 

Sunil: Reply below

 

Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

 

4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data and

given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most undistinguished in

battle fields.

 

 

 

Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War Mongering

Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics well. Since

this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers will

differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can be or

Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side which few

days back I posted.

 

 

 

I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a Brahman,

Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

 

 

 

If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my english is

poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

 

 

 

Take care

 

 

 

At ur feet,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

> As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is certainly

a

> combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

ancient

> texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then Sagittarius

> reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what Bhavartha

> Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that definition.

>

> I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

> where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

> please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising

and

> I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

>

> Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

generally

> seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

signs.

>

> In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I may

> call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu combination

and

> the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

Lagna.

>

> You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

being

> war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

>

> There are different times d to signing of the declaration and

> the first says :

>

> "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning

of

> a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are

in

> the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy."

>

> Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

what

> is to be called Morning.

>

> Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

>

> "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days

> of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was

> reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every

> member present except Mr. Dickinson."

>

> In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending on

> what is to be treated as evening.

>

> But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

sunset

> on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

>

> Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

lagna

> for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

> > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

> > appease with truth and reason.

> >

> > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line

as

> > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

> > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

> > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is

lesson

> > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the

real

> > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views

on

> > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

this

> > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

> > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I

didnt

> > venture into that

> >

> > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may

not

> > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have

it

> > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

> > Sagittarius?

> >

> > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

> > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

> > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so,

the

> > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong

since

> > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

shall

> > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart

from

> > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> >

> > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> >

> > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

and

> > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

undistinguished in

> > battle fields.

> >

> > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees

for it

> > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it

a

> > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we

see

> > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

> > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also

due

> > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name

it,

> > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war.

Am

> > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

> > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> >

> > >

> > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

Lagna.

> > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > >

> >

> > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

which is

> > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was ,

a

> > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told

me &

> > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

> > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> >

> > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> >

> > Warm regards

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raja,

> > > >

> > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I

feel

> > if

> > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > predictive

> > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > >

> > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I

shall

> > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> > > >

> > > > The points are

> > > >

> > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > >

> > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > >

> > > > c) USA chart

> > > >

> > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

morning

> > on

> > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > >

> > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> > > >

> > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to

life.

> > so

> > > > I have

> > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is

full

> > of

> > > > justice

> > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

mitigated

> > to

> > > > some

> > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

himself. I

> > > > really

> > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna

so

> > if

> > > > that be

> > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

> > matter.

> > > > also

> > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

> > residence.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > ________\

> > > > ____

> > > > > __________________________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > >

> > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > >

> > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > >

> > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > >

> > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will perhaps

never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am sure

there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

holds in high regard.

Chandrashekhar.

 

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> U wrote:

>

> > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

>

> Sunil: Reply below

>

> Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

>

> 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data and

> given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most undistinguished in

> battle fields.

>

> Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War Mongering

> Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics well. Since

> this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers will

> differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can be or

> Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side which few

> days back I posted.

>

> I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a Brahman,

> Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

>

> If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my english is

> poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

>

> Take care

>

> At ur feet,

>

> Sunil John

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is certainly

> a

> > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

> ancient

> > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then Sagittarius

> > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what Bhavartha

> > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that definition.

> >

> > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

> > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

> > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising

> and

> > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> >

> > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> generally

> > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

> signs.

> >

> > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I may

> > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu combination

> and

> > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

> Lagna.

> >

> > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> being

> > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> >

> > There are different times d to signing of the declaration and

> > the first says :

> >

> > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning

> of

> > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are

> in

> > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy."

> >

> > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

> what

> > is to be called Morning.

> >

> > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> >

> > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days

> > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was

> > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every

> > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> >

> > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending on

> > what is to be treated as evening.

> >

> > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

> sunset

> > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> >

> > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

> lagna

> > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

> > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

> > > appease with truth and reason.

> > >

> > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line

> as

> > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

> > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

> > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is

> lesson

> > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the

> real

> > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views

> on

> > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

> this

> > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

> > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I

> didnt

> > > venture into that

> > >

> > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may

> not

> > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have

> it

> > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

> > > Sagittarius?

> > >

> > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

> > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

> > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so,

> the

> > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong

> since

> > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

> shall

> > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart

> from

> > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > >

> > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > >

> > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

> and

> > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> undistinguished in

> > > battle fields.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees

> for it

> > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it

> a

> > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we

> see

> > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

> > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also

> due

> > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name

> it,

> > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war.

> Am

> > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

> > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> > >

> > > >

> > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

> Lagna.

> > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > > >

> > >

> > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

> which is

> > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was ,

> a

> > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told

> me &

> > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

> > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > >

> > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > >

> > > Warm regards

> > >

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I

> feel

> > > if

> > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > > predictive

> > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > >

> > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I

> shall

> > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> > > > >

> > > > > The points are

> > > > >

> > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > >

> > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > >

> > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > >

> > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

> morning

> > > on

> > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > >

> > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> > > > >

> > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to

> life.

> > > so

> > > > > I have

> > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is

> full

> > > of

> > > > > justice

> > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

> mitigated

> > > to

> > > > > some

> > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

> himself. I

> > > > > really

> > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna

> so

> > > if

> > > > > that be

> > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

> > > matter.

> > > > > also

> > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

> > > residence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > ________\

> > > > > ____

> > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Just examine and think why Sagittarius has been alloted the symbol of a man with a bow in hand and hind part of a horse. A warrior ready to shoot.

regards,

manoj

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sunil,

Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will perhaps

never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am sure

there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

holds in high regard.

Chandrashekhar.

 

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> U wrote:

>

> > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

>

> Sunil: Reply below

>

> Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

>

> 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data and

> given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most undistinguished in

> battle fields.

>

> Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War Mongering

> Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics well. Since

> this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers will

> differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can be or

> Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side which few

> days back I posted.

>

> I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a Brahman,

> Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

>

> If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my english is

> poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

>

> Take care

>

> At ur feet,

>

> Sunil John

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is certainly

> a

> > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

> ancient

> > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then Sagittarius

> > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what Bhavartha

> > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that definition.

> >

> > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

> > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

> > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising

> and

> > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> >

> > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> generally

> > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

> signs.

> >

> > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I may

> > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu combination

> and

> > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

> Lagna.

> >

> > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> being

> > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> >

> > There are different times d to signing of the declaration and

> > the first says :

> >

> > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning

> of

> > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are

> in

> > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy."

> >

> > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

> what

> > is to be called Morning.

> >

> > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> >

> > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days

> > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was

> > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every

> > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> >

> > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending on

> > what is to be treated as evening.

> >

> > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

> sunset

> > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> >

> > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

> lagna

> > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

> > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

> > > appease with truth and reason.

> > >

> > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line

> as

> > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

> > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

> > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is

> lesson

> > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the

> real

> > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views

> on

> > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

> this

> > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

> > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I

> didnt

> > > venture into that

> > >

> > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may

> not

> > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have

> it

> > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

> > > Sagittarius?

> > >

> > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

> > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

> > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so,

> the

> > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong

> since

> > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

> shall

> > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart

> from

> > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > >

> > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > >

> > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

> and

> > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> undistinguished in

> > > battle fields.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees

> for it

> > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it

> a

> > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we

> see

> > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

> > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also

> due

> > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name

> it,

> > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war.

> Am

> > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

> > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> > >

> > > >

> > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

> Lagna.

> > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > > >

> > >

> > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

> which is

> > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was ,

> a

> > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told

> me &

> > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

> > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > >

> > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > >

> > > Warm regards

> > >

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I

> feel

> > > if

> > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > > predictive

> > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > >

> > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I

> shall

> > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> > > > >

> > > > > The points are

> > > > >

> > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > >

> > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > >

> > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > >

> > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

> morning

> > > on

> > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > >

> > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> > > > >

> > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to

> life.

> > > so

> > > > > I have

> > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is

> full

> > > of

> > > > > justice

> > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

> mitigated

> > > to

> > > > > some

> > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

> himself. I

> > > > > really

> > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna

> so

> > > if

> > > > > that be

> > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

> > > matter.

> > > > > also

> > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

> > > residence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > ________\

> > > > > ____

> > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Manoj,

 

The issue of this symbol was raised by me right at the start but the

focus was given MORE on the horse in a state of rest by others.

 

Regards

 

Sunil

 

 

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Just examine and think why Sagittarius has been alloted the symbol of

a man with a bow in hand and hind part of a horse. A warrior ready to

shoot.

>

> regards,

>

> manoj

>

> Chandrashekhar chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> Dear Sunil,

> Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will

perhaps

> never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am sure

> there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

> holds in high regard.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > U wrote:

> >

> > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

whether

> > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a

time

> > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> >

> > Sunil: Reply below

> >

> > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> >

> > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

and

> > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

undistinguished in

> > battle fields.

> >

> > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

Mongering

> > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics well.

Since

> > this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers will

> > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can be

or

> > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side which

few

> > days back I posted.

> >

> > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a Brahman,

> > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> >

> > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my english is

> > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > At ur feet,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is

certainly

> > a

> > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

> > ancient

> > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

Sagittarius

> > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what

Bhavartha

> > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

definition.

> > >

> > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not

know

> > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will

you

> > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

rising

> > and

> > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > >

> > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> > generally

> > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon

rasi

> > signs.

> > >

> > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I

may

> > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

combination

> > and

> > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

> > Lagna.

> > >

> > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> > being

> > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a

time

> > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > >

> > > There are different times d to signing of the declaration

and

> > > the first says :

> > >

> > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the

morning

> > of

> > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which

are

> > in

> > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal

copy."

> > >

> > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

> > what

> > > is to be called Morning.

> > >

> > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> > >

> > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th

days

> > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration

was

> > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by

every

> > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > >

> > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending

on

> > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > >

> > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

> > sunset

> > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > >

> > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

> > lagna

> > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate

topic, I

> > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy

to

> > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject

line

> > as

> > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re

Ego,

> > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats

a

> > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What

is

> > lesson

> > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be

the

> > real

> > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different

views

> > on

> > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

> > this

> > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by

others

> > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence

I

> > didnt

> > > > venture into that

> > > >

> > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive

may

> > not

> > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I

have

> > it

> > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the

sign

> > > > Sagittarius?

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by

Yogi

> > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted

astrologer

> > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do

so,

> > the

> > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be

wrong

> > since

> > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

> > shall

> > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart

apart

> > from

> > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > >

> > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > >

> > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same

data

> > and

> > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

mongering

> > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > undistinguished in

> > > > battle fields.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

disagrees

> > for it

> > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would

make it

> > a

> > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think

if we

> > see

> > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a

WAR

> > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier

also

> > due

> > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u

name

> > it,

> > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT

war.

> > Am

> > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars

anywhere on

> > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

> > Lagna.

> > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

> > which is

> > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he

was ,

> > a

> > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer

told

> > me &

> > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have

not

> > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > >

> > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards

> > > >

> > > > Sunil

> > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong)

but I

> > feel

> > > > if

> > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which

I

> > shall

> > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going

out

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The points are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

> > morning

> > > > on

> > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with

its

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach

to

> > life.

> > > > so

> > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he

is

> > full

> > > > of

> > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

> > mitigated

> > > > to

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

> > himself. I

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus

lagna

> > so

> > > > if

> > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle

all

> > > > matter.

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the

kings

> > > > residence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > ________\

> > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Chandrashekharji

 

 

 

1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War Mongering

rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

 

2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group is a

different group after it was shifted from here to the new one Ben made

 

3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met him in July

06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for him. I do

not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not or if he

still continues to see this list.

 

 

 

But I am sure

> there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

> holds in high regard.

 

 

4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a) Classical basis

b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see OUT OF

THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has been

taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of books. Also

we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological texts and

clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many oldies

(most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

 

 

 

5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the exact date

of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had high

intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he got from

observation (experience) does a classic give a method to predict exact

date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

> Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will

perhaps

> never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am sure

> there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

> holds in high regard.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > U wrote:

> >

> > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

whether

> > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a

time

> > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> >

> > Sunil: Reply below

> >

> > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> >

> > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

and

> > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

undistinguished in

> > battle fields.

> >

> > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

Mongering

> > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics well.

Since

> > this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers will

> > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can be

or

> > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side which

few

> > days back I posted.

> >

> > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a Brahman,

> > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> >

> > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my english is

> > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > At ur feet,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is

certainly

> > a

> > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

> > ancient

> > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

Sagittarius

> > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what

Bhavartha

> > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

definition.

> > >

> > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not

know

> > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will

you

> > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

rising

> > and

> > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > >

> > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> > generally

> > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon

rasi

> > signs.

> > >

> > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I

may

> > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

combination

> > and

> > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

> > Lagna.

> > >

> > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> > being

> > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a

time

> > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > >

> > > There are different times d to signing of the declaration

and

> > > the first says :

> > >

> > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the

morning

> > of

> > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which

are

> > in

> > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal

copy."

> > >

> > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

> > what

> > > is to be called Morning.

> > >

> > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> > >

> > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th

days

> > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration

was

> > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by

every

> > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > >

> > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending

on

> > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > >

> > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

> > sunset

> > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > >

> > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

> > lagna

> > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate

topic, I

> > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy

to

> > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject

line

> > as

> > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re

Ego,

> > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats

a

> > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What

is

> > lesson

> > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be

the

> > real

> > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different

views

> > on

> > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

> > this

> > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by

others

> > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence

I

> > didnt

> > > > venture into that

> > > >

> > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive

may

> > not

> > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I

have

> > it

> > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the

sign

> > > > Sagittarius?

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by

Yogi

> > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted

astrologer

> > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do

so,

> > the

> > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be

wrong

> > since

> > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

> > shall

> > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart

apart

> > from

> > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > >

> > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > >

> > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same

data

> > and

> > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

mongering

> > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > undistinguished in

> > > > battle fields.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

disagrees

> > for it

> > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would

make it

> > a

> > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think

if we

> > see

> > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a

WAR

> > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier

also

> > due

> > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u

name

> > it,

> > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT

war.

> > Am

> > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars

anywhere on

> > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

> > Lagna.

> > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

> > which is

> > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he

was ,

> > a

> > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer

told

> > me &

> > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have

not

> > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > >

> > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards

> > > >

> > > > Sunil

> > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong)

but I

> > feel

> > > > if

> > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which

I

> > shall

> > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going

out

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The points are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

> > morning

> > > > on

> > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with

its

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach

to

> > life.

> > > > so

> > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he

is

> > full

> > > > of

> > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

> > mitigated

> > > > to

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

> > himself. I

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus

lagna

> > so

> > > > if

> > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle

all

> > > > matter.

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the

kings

> > > > residence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > ________\

> > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj,

But at rest and peace with itself. The capacity is there, but not the

tendency to pick up fights.

Chandrashekhar.

 

Manoj Kumar wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Just examine and think why Sagittarius has been alloted the symbol of

> a man with a bow in hand and hind part of a horse. A warrior ready to

> shoot.

>

> regards,

>

> manoj

>

> Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> Dear Sunil,

> Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will perhaps

> never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am sure

> there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

> holds in high regard.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > U wrote:

> >

> > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> >

> > Sunil: Reply below

> >

> > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> >

> > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data and

> > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most undistinguished in

> > battle fields.

> >

> > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War Mongering

> > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics well. Since

> > this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers will

> > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can be or

> > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side which few

> > days back I posted.

> >

> > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a Brahman,

> > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> >

> > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my english is

> > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > At ur feet,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> <%40>

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is certainly

> > a

> > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

> > ancient

> > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then Sagittarius

> > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what Bhavartha

> > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that definition.

> > >

> > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

> > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

> > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising

> > and

> > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > >

> > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> > generally

> > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

> > signs.

> > >

> > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I may

> > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu combination

> > and

> > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

> > Lagna.

> > >

> > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> > being

> > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > >

> > > There are different times d to signing of the declaration and

> > > the first says :

> > >

> > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning

> > of

> > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are

> > in

> > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy."

> > >

> > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

> > what

> > > is to be called Morning.

> > >

> > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> > >

> > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days

> > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was

> > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every

> > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > >

> > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending on

> > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > >

> > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

> > sunset

> > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > >

> > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

> > lagna

> > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > >

> > > >

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

> > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

> > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line

> > as

> > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

> > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

> > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is

> > lesson

> > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the

> > real

> > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views

> > on

> > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

> > this

> > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

> > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I

> > didnt

> > > > venture into that

> > > >

> > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may

> > not

> > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have

> > it

> > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

> > > > Sagittarius?

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

> > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

> > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so,

> > the

> > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong

> > since

> > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

> > shall

> > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart

> > from

> > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > >

> > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > >

> > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

> > and

> > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > undistinguished in

> > > > battle fields.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees

> > for it

> > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it

> > a

> > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we

> > see

> > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

> > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also

> > due

> > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name

> > it,

> > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war.

> > Am

> > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

> > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

> > Lagna.

> > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

> > which is

> > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was ,

> > a

> > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told

> > me &

> > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

> > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > >

> > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards

> > > >

> > > > Sunil

> > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I

> > feel

> > > > if

> > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I

> > shall

> > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The points are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

> > morning

> > > > on

> > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to

> > life.

> > > > so

> > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is

> > full

> > > > of

> > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

> > mitigated

> > > > to

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

> > himself. I

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna

> > so

> > > > if

> > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

> > > > matter.

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

> > > > residence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > ________\

> > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

 

I said that Rao sahib says Sagittarius as warmongering based on what you

wrote in your mail. There is no question of my agreeing with him in this

regard.

 

I can not comment on techniques taught by Yogis to Rao sahib unless he

says so himself. I am a simple person who understands that any argument

has to be supported by Pramana and tarka. But then I am from an earlier

generation and logic may not be in fashion these days.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji

>

> 1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War Mongering

> rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

>

> 2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group is a

> different group after it was shifted from here to the new one Ben made

>

> 3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met him in July

> 06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for him. I do

> not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not or if he

> still continues to see this list.

>

> But I am sure

> > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

> > holds in high regard.

>

> 4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a) Classical basis

> b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see OUT OF

> THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has been

> taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of books. Also

> we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological texts and

> clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many oldies

> (most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

>

> 5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the exact date

> of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had high

> intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he got from

> observation (experience) does a classic give a method to predict exact

> date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil John

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will

> perhaps

> > never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am sure

> > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

> > holds in high regard.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > >

> > > U wrote:

> > >

> > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> > > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

> whether

> > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a

> time

> > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > >

> > > Sunil: Reply below

> > >

> > > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> > >

> > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

> and

> > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> undistinguished in

> > > battle fields.

> > >

> > > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

> Mongering

> > > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics well.

> Since

> > > this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers will

> > > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can be

> or

> > > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side which

> few

> > > days back I posted.

> > >

> > > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a Brahman,

> > > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> > >

> > > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my english is

> > > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> > >

> > > Take care

> > >

> > > At ur feet,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is

> certainly

> > > a

> > > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

> > > ancient

> > > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> > > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

> Sagittarius

> > > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what

> Bhavartha

> > > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

> definition.

> > > >

> > > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not

> know

> > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will

> you

> > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> rising

> > > and

> > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > >

> > > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> > > generally

> > > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon

> rasi

> > > signs.

> > > >

> > > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> > > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> > > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I

> may

> > > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

> combination

> > > and

> > > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

> > > Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> > > being

> > > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a

> time

> > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > >

> > > > There are different times d to signing of the declaration

> and

> > > > the first says :

> > > >

> > > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the

> morning

> > > of

> > > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> > > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> > > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which

> are

> > > in

> > > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal

> copy."

> > > >

> > > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

> > > what

> > > > is to be called Morning.

> > > >

> > > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> > > >

> > > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th

> days

> > > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration

> was

> > > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by

> every

> > > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > > >

> > > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending

> on

> > > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > > >

> > > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

> > > sunset

> > > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > > >

> > > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

> > > lagna

> > > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate

> topic, I

> > > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy

> to

> > > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject

> line

> > > as

> > > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re

> Ego,

> > > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats

> a

> > > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What

> is

> > > lesson

> > > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be

> the

> > > real

> > > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different

> views

> > > on

> > > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

> > > this

> > > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by

> others

> > > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence

> I

> > > didnt

> > > > > venture into that

> > > > >

> > > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive

> may

> > > not

> > > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I

> have

> > > it

> > > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the

> sign

> > > > > Sagittarius?

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by

> Yogi

> > > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted

> astrologer

> > > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do

> so,

> > > the

> > > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be

> wrong

> > > since

> > > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

> > > shall

> > > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart

> apart

> > > from

> > > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > > >

> > > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same

> data

> > > and

> > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> mongering

> > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > undistinguished in

> > > > > battle fields.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

> disagrees

> > > for it

> > > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would

> make it

> > > a

> > > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think

> if we

> > > see

> > > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a

> WAR

> > > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier

> also

> > > due

> > > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u

> name

> > > it,

> > > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT

> war.

> > > Am

> > > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars

> anywhere on

> > > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

> > > Lagna.

> > > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

> > > which is

> > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he

> was ,

> > > a

> > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer

> told

> > > me &

> > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have

> not

> > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > > >

> > > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong)

> but I

> > > feel

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which

> I

> > > shall

> > > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going

> out

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The points are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

> > > morning

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with

> its

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach

> to

> > > life.

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he

> is

> > > full

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

> > > mitigated

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

> > > himself. I

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus

> lagna

> > > so

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle

> all

> > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the

> kings

> > > > > residence.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________\

> > > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion. Here is the

quote from Sri KN Rao's website.

 

"1) There is no doubt in my mind that the date chosen,4 July 1776,

is what all historians of USA accept as being correct.

 

2) USA celebrates 4 July every year as her day of independence with

which we have been familiar.

 

3) Majority of western astrologers have used different horoscopes of

4 July but with different time.

 

4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

and given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

mongering nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

undistinguished in battle fields.

" (end quote)

 

The way I interpreted is that if we take Dhanu lagna - then look at

7th house and we see Venus (sixth lord with Mars, Sun and Jup).

Taking 7th house for war - I interpreted this as someone (country in

our case) that gets into war (or disputes) easily. KN Rao never said

Dhanu is a war mongering sign. In my opinion, all he is saying is

that Dhanu lagna chart would make USA a war mongering/seeking nation

based on 7th house afflictions.

 

My 2 cents

MS

 

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I said that Rao sahib says Sagittarius as warmongering based on

what you

> wrote in your mail. There is no question of my agreeing with him

in this

> regard.

>

> I can not comment on techniques taught by Yogis to Rao sahib

unless he

> says so himself. I am a simple person who understands that any

argument

> has to be supported by Pramana and tarka. But then I am from an

earlier

> generation and logic may not be in fashion these days.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji

> >

> > 1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War

Mongering

> > rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

> >

> > 2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group is

a

> > different group after it was shifted from here to the new one

Ben made

> >

> > 3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met him

in July

> > 06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for him.

I do

> > not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not or

if he

> > still continues to see this list.

> >

> > But I am sure

> > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K.

N. Rao

> > > holds in high regard.

> >

> > 4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a)

Classical basis

> > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see

OUT OF

> > THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has

been

> > taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of

books. Also

> > we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological

texts and

> > clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many

oldies

> > (most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

> >

> > 5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the

exact date

> > of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had high

> > intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he

got from

> > observation (experience) does a classic give a method to predict

exact

> > date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we

will

> > perhaps

> > > never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I

am sure

> > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K.

N. Rao

> > > holds in high regard.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > >

> > > > U wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you

see it

> > > > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions

about

> > whether

> > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

Sagittarius is a

> > time

> > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil: Reply below

> > > >

> > > > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> > > >

> > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the

same data

> > and

> > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

mongering

> > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > undistinguished in

> > > > battle fields.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

> > Mongering

> > > > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics

well.

> > Since

> > > > this is not about determination of lagna where big

astrologers will

> > > > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or

Can be

> > or

> > > > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side

which

> > few

> > > > days back I posted.

> > > >

> > > > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a

Brahman,

> > > > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> > > >

> > > > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my

english is

> > > > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> > > >

> > > > Take care

> > > >

> > > > At ur feet,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is

> > certainly

> > > > a

> > > > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according

to the

> > > > ancient

> > > > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties

but not

> > > > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

> > Sagittarius

> > > > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what

> > Bhavartha

> > > > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

> > definition.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and

do not

> > know

> > > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

reference. will

> > you

> > > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was

Sagittarius

> > rising

> > > > and

> > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > > >

> > > > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi

may be

> > > > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of

rasis is

> > > > generally

> > > > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs

or Moon

> > rasi

> > > > signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So

tying Moon

> > > > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may

not be

> > > > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of

madness, if I

> > may

> > > > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

> > combination

> > > > and

> > > > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and

aspecting the

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you

see it

> > > > being

> > > > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

whether

> > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

Sagittarius is a

> > time

> > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are different times d to signing of the

declaration

> > and

> > > > > the first says :

> > > > >

> > > > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in

the

> > morning

> > > > of

> > > > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap

prints the

> > > > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now

called "Dunlap

> > > > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of

which

> > are

> > > > in

> > > > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's

personal

> > copy."

> > > > >

> > > > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo

depending on

> > > > what

> > > > > is to be called Morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to

say:

> > > > >

> > > > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d

3d & 4th

> > days

> > > > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the

declaration

> > was

> > > > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and

signed by

> > every

> > > > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > > > >

> > > > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio,

depending

> > on

> > > > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > > > >

> > > > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember

that the

> > > > sunset

> > > > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with

different

> > > > lagna

> > > > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a

separate

> > topic, I

> > > > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized,

but easy

> > to

> > > > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate

subject

> > line

> > > > as

> > > > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my

interest, re

> > Ego,

> > > > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it

since thats

> > a

> > > > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that

spiritual

> > > > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological

forums. What

> > is

> > > > lesson

> > > > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what

may be

> > the

> > > > real

> > > > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have

different

> > views

> > > > on

> > > > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not

venture in

> > > > this

> > > > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily

proved by

> > others

> > > > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or

sun in

> > > > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma

trikona. Hence

> > I

> > > > didnt

> > > > > > venture into that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being

aggressive

> > may

> > > > not

> > > > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of

U.S. I

> > have

> > > > it

> > > > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get

the

> > sign

> > > > > > Sagittarius?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to

him by

> > Yogi

> > > > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted

> > astrologer

> > > > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was

commissioned to do

> > so,

> > > > the

> > > > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can

be

> > wrong

> > > > since

> > > > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next

mail I

> > > > shall

> > > > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this

chart

> > apart

> > > > from

> > > > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used

the same

> > data

> > > > and

> > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> > mongering

> > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

> > disagrees

> > > > for it

> > > > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna

would

> > make it

> > > > a

> > > > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I

think

> > if we

> > > > see

> > > > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no

doubt a

> > WAR

> > > > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved

earlier

> > also

> > > > due

> > > > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting

Pakistan u

> > name

> > > > it,

> > > > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold

or HOT

> > war.

> > > > Am

> > > > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars

> > anywhere on

> > > > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or

the other

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries

aspecting the

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am

not wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not

Mars Sun)

> > > > which is

> > > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how

Racist/Fanatical he

> > was ,

> > > > a

> > > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior

astrologer

> > told

> > > > me &

> > > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally

I have

> > not

> > > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot

though

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not

wrong)

> > but I

> > > > feel

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would

miss vital

> > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3

charts which

> > I

> > > > shall

> > > > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am

going

> > out

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The points are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to

ask today

> > > > morning

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to

relate with

> > its

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, "Raja

Gursahani"

> > > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior

approach

> > to

> > > > life.

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign

however he

> > is

> > > > full

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of

him is

> > > > mitigated

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over

extend

> > > > himself. I

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a

dhanus

> > lagna

> > > > so

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to

handle

> > all

> > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and

the

> > kings

> > > > > > residence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

________\

> > > > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj and friends:

 

Another interpretation is that the Man/Horse is a Centaur, which is half-man and half-animal

 

Due to the upward direction of the bow and arrow, it appears the symbolism indicates that the archer is shooting for higher or lofty aspirations.

 

It gives the impression that the Saggitarian is on earth to transmute his or her soul from animal, to human, to divine.

 

The potential is here for the Sagittarian, provided he or she develops the wisdom that is inherent in the ninth sign of the zodiac, the sign of dharma and religious merit.

 

Best wishes,

 

David Hawthorne

 

 

-

Manoj Kumar

Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:41 PM

Re: Re: Sagittarius as combatant sign/USA/KN Rao's views

 

 

Dear Friends,

Just examine and think why Sagittarius has been alloted the symbol of a man with a bow in hand and hind part of a horse. A warrior ready to shoot.

regards,

manoj

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sunil,

Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will perhaps

never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am sure

there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N. Rao

holds in high regard.

Chandrashekhar.

 

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> U wrote:

>

> > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

>

> Sunil: Reply below

>

> Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

>

> 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data and

> given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most undistinguished in

> battle fields.

>

> Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War Mongering

> Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics well. Since

> this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers will

> differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can be or

> Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side which few

> days back I posted.

>

> I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a Brahman,

> Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

>

> If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my english is

> poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

>

> Take care

>

> At ur feet,

>

> Sunil John

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is certainly

> a

> > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

> ancient

> > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then Sagittarius

> > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what Bhavartha

> > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that definition.

> >

> > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

> > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

> > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising

> and

> > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> >

> > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> generally

> > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

> signs.

> >

> > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I may

> > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu combination

> and

> > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

> Lagna.

> >

> > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> being

> > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> >

> > There are different times d to signing of the declaration and

> > the first says :

> >

> > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning

> of

> > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are

> in

> > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy."

> >

> > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

> what

> > is to be called Morning.

> >

> > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> >

> > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days

> > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was

> > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every

> > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> >

> > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending on

> > what is to be treated as evening.

> >

> > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

> sunset

> > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> >

> > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

> lagna

> > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

> > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

> > > appease with truth and reason.

> > >

> > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line

> as

> > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

> > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

> > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is

> lesson

> > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the

> real

> > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views

> on

> > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

> this

> > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

> > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I

> didnt

> > > venture into that

> > >

> > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may

> not

> > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have

> it

> > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

> > > Sagittarius?

> > >

> > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

> > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

> > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so,

> the

> > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong

> since

> > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

> shall

> > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart

> from

> > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > >

> > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > >

> > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

> and

> > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> undistinguished in

> > > battle fields.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees

> for it

> > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it

> a

> > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we

> see

> > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

> > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also

> due

> > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name

> it,

> > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war.

> Am

> > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

> > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> > >

> > > >

> > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

> Lagna.

> > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > > >

> > >

> > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

> which is

> > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was ,

> a

> > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told

> me &

> > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

> > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > >

> > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > >

> > > Warm regards

> > >

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I

> feel

> > > if

> > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > > predictive

> > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > >

> > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I

> shall

> > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> > > > >

> > > > > The points are

> > > > >

> > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > >

> > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > >

> > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > >

> > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

> morning

> > > on

> > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > >

> > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> > > > >

> > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to

> life.

> > > so

> > > > > I have

> > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is

> full

> > > of

> > > > > justice

> > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

> mitigated

> > > to

> > > > > some

> > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

> himself. I

> > > > > really

> > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna

> so

> > > if

> > > > > that be

> > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

> > > matter.

> > > > > also

> > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

> > > residence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > ________\

> > > > > ____

> > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

Logic is never out of fashion

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I said that Rao sahib says Sagittarius as warmongering based on what

you

> wrote in your mail. There is no question of my agreeing with him in

this

> regard.

>

> I can not comment on techniques taught by Yogis to Rao sahib unless he

> says so himself. I am a simple person who understands that any

argument

> has to be supported by Pramana and tarka. But then I am from an

earlier

> generation and logic may not be in fashion these days.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji

> >

> > 1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War

Mongering

> > rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

> >

> > 2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group is a

> > different group after it was shifted from here to the new one Ben

made

> >

> > 3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met him in

July

> > 06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for him. I

do

> > not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not or if

he

> > still continues to see this list.

> >

> > But I am sure

> > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N.

Rao

> > > holds in high regard.

> >

> > 4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a) Classical

basis

> > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see OUT

OF

> > THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has been

> > taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of books.

Also

> > we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological texts

and

> > clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many

oldies

> > (most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

> >

> > 5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the exact

date

> > of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had high

> > intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he got

from

> > observation (experience) does a classic give a method to predict

exact

> > date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will

> > perhaps

> > > never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am

sure

> > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N.

Rao

> > > holds in high regard.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > >

> > > > U wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see

it

> > > > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

> > whether

> > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius

is a

> > time

> > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil: Reply below

> > > >

> > > > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> > > >

> > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same

data

> > and

> > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

mongering

> > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > undistinguished in

> > > > battle fields.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

> > Mongering

> > > > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics

well.

> > Since

> > > > this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers

will

> > > > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can

be

> > or

> > > > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side

which

> > few

> > > > days back I posted.

> > > >

> > > > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a

Brahman,

> > > > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> > > >

> > > > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my

english is

> > > > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> > > >

> > > > Take care

> > > >

> > > > At ur feet,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is

> > certainly

> > > > a

> > > > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to

the

> > > > ancient

> > > > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but

not

> > > > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

> > Sagittarius

> > > > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what

> > Bhavartha

> > > > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

> > definition.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do

not

> > know

> > > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference.

will

> > you

> > > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> > rising

> > > > and

> > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > > >

> > > > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may

be

> > > > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> > > > generally

> > > > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or

Moon

> > rasi

> > > > signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying

Moon

> > > > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not

be

> > > > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness,

if I

> > may

> > > > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

> > combination

> > > > and

> > > > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting

the

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see

it

> > > > being

> > > > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

whether

> > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius

is a

> > time

> > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are different times d to signing of the

declaration

> > and

> > > > > the first says :

> > > > >

> > > > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the

> > morning

> > > > of

> > > > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints

the

> > > > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called

"Dunlap

> > > > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of

which

> > are

> > > > in

> > > > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's

personal

> > copy."

> > > > >

> > > > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo

depending on

> > > > what

> > > > > is to be called Morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> > > > >

> > > > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d &

4th

> > days

> > > > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the

declaration

> > was

> > > > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed

by

> > every

> > > > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > > > >

> > > > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio,

depending

> > on

> > > > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > > > >

> > > > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that

the

> > > > sunset

> > > > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with

different

> > > > lagna

> > > > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate

> > topic, I

> > > > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but

easy

> > to

> > > > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate

subject

> > line

> > > > as

> > > > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re

> > Ego,

> > > > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since

thats

> > a

> > > > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that

spiritual

> > > > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums.

What

> > is

> > > > lesson

> > > > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may

be

> > the

> > > > real

> > > > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different

> > views

> > > > on

> > > > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not

venture in

> > > > this

> > > > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved

by

> > others

> > > > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun

in

> > > > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona.

Hence

> > I

> > > > didnt

> > > > > > venture into that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being

aggressive

> > may

> > > > not

> > > > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S.

I

> > have

> > > > it

> > > > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the

> > sign

> > > > > > Sagittarius?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him

by

> > Yogi

> > > > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted

> > astrologer

> > > > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned

to do

> > so,

> > > > the

> > > > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be

> > wrong

> > > > since

> > > > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next

mail I

> > > > shall

> > > > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this

chart

> > apart

> > > > from

> > > > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the

same

> > data

> > > > and

> > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> > mongering

> > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

> > disagrees

> > > > for it

> > > > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would

> > make it

> > > > a

> > > > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I

think

> > if we

> > > > see

> > > > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no

doubt a

> > WAR

> > > > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved

earlier

> > also

> > > > due

> > > > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u

> > name

> > > > it,

> > > > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or

HOT

> > war.

> > > > Am

> > > > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars

> > anywhere on

> > > > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the

other

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting

the

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not

wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars

Sun)

> > > > which is

> > > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical

he

> > was ,

> > > > a

> > > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior

astrologer

> > told

> > > > me &

> > > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I

have

> > not

> > > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot

though

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not

wrong)

> > but I

> > > > feel

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss

vital

> > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts

which

> > I

> > > > shall

> > > > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am

going

> > out

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The points are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask

today

> > > > morning

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate

with

> > its

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, "Raja

Gursahani"

> > > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior

approach

> > to

> > > > life.

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however

he

> > is

> > > > full

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him

is

> > > > mitigated

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over

extend

> > > > himself. I

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a

dhanus

> > lagna

> > > > so

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to

handle

> > all

> > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the

> > kings

> > > > > > residence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

________\

> > > > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Manjunath,

 

It appears that my reluctance to accept Rao sahib having classified

Sagittarius as warmongering sign was well placed. Thank you for the

clarification.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

M. Sharma wrote:

>

> I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion. Here is the

> quote from Sri KN Rao's website.

>

> "1) There is no doubt in my mind that the date chosen,4 July 1776,

> is what all historians of USA accept as being correct.

>

> 2) USA celebrates 4 July every year as her day of independence with

> which we have been familiar.

>

> 3) Majority of western astrologers have used different horoscopes of

> 4 July but with different time.

>

> 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

> and given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> mongering nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> undistinguished in battle fields.

> " (end quote)

>

> The way I interpreted is that if we take Dhanu lagna - then look at

> 7th house and we see Venus (sixth lord with Mars, Sun and Jup).

> Taking 7th house for war - I interpreted this as someone (country in

> our case) that gets into war (or disputes) easily. KN Rao never said

> Dhanu is a war mongering sign. In my opinion, all he is saying is

> that Dhanu lagna chart would make USA a war mongering/seeking nation

> based on 7th house afflictions.

>

> My 2 cents

> MS

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I said that Rao sahib says Sagittarius as warmongering based on

> what you

> > wrote in your mail. There is no question of my agreeing with him

> in this

> > regard.

> >

> > I can not comment on techniques taught by Yogis to Rao sahib

> unless he

> > says so himself. I am a simple person who understands that any

> argument

> > has to be supported by Pramana and tarka. But then I am from an

> earlier

> > generation and logic may not be in fashion these days.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > >

> > > 1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War

> Mongering

> > > rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

> > >

> > > 2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group is

> a

> > > different group after it was shifted from here to the new one

> Ben made

> > >

> > > 3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met him

> in July

> > > 06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for him.

> I do

> > > not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not or

> if he

> > > still continues to see this list.

> > >

> > > But I am sure

> > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K.

> N. Rao

> > > > holds in high regard.

> > >

> > > 4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a)

> Classical basis

> > > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see

> OUT OF

> > > THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has

> been

> > > taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of

> books. Also

> > > we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological

> texts and

> > > clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many

> oldies

> > > (most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

> > >

> > > 5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the

> exact date

> > > of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had high

> > > intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he

> got from

> > > observation (experience) does a classic give a method to predict

> exact

> > > date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we

> will

> > > perhaps

> > > > never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I

> am sure

> > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K.

> N. Rao

> > > > holds in high regard.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > U wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you

> see it

> > > > > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions

> about

> > > whether

> > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

> Sagittarius is a

> > > time

> > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil: Reply below

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the

> same data

> > > and

> > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> mongering

> > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > undistinguished in

> > > > > battle fields.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

> > > Mongering

> > > > > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics

> well.

> > > Since

> > > > > this is not about determination of lagna where big

> astrologers will

> > > > > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or

> Can be

> > > or

> > > > > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side

> which

> > > few

> > > > > days back I posted.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a

> Brahman,

> > > > > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my

> english is

> > > > > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care

> > > > >

> > > > > At ur feet,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is

> > > certainly

> > > > > a

> > > > > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according

> to the

> > > > > ancient

> > > > > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties

> but not

> > > > > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

> > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what

> > > Bhavartha

> > > > > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

> > > definition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and

> do not

> > > know

> > > > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

> reference. will

> > > you

> > > > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was

> Sagittarius

> > > rising

> > > > > and

> > > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi

> may be

> > > > > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of

> rasis is

> > > > > generally

> > > > > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs

> or Moon

> > > rasi

> > > > > signs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So

> tying Moon

> > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may

> not be

> > > > > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of

> madness, if I

> > > may

> > > > > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

> > > combination

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and

> aspecting the

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you

> see it

> > > > > being

> > > > > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

> whether

> > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

> Sagittarius is a

> > > time

> > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are different times d to signing of the

> declaration

> > > and

> > > > > > the first says :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in

> the

> > > morning

> > > > > of

> > > > > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap

> prints the

> > > > > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now

> called "Dunlap

> > > > > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of

> which

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's

> personal

> > > copy."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo

> depending on

> > > > > what

> > > > > > is to be called Morning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to

> say:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d

> 3d & 4th

> > > days

> > > > > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the

> declaration

> > > was

> > > > > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and

> signed by

> > > every

> > > > > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio,

> depending

> > > on

> > > > > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember

> that the

> > > > > sunset

> > > > > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with

> different

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a

> separate

> > > topic, I

> > > > > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized,

> but easy

> > > to

> > > > > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate

> subject

> > > line

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my

> interest, re

> > > Ego,

> > > > > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it

> since thats

> > > a

> > > > > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that

> spiritual

> > > > > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological

> forums. What

> > > is

> > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what

> may be

> > > the

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have

> different

> > > views

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not

> venture in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily

> proved by

> > > others

> > > > > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or

> sun in

> > > > > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma

> trikona. Hence

> > > I

> > > > > didnt

> > > > > > > venture into that

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being

> aggressive

> > > may

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of

> U.S. I

> > > have

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get

> the

> > > sign

> > > > > > > Sagittarius?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to

> him by

> > > Yogi

> > > > > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was

> commissioned to do

> > > so,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can

> be

> > > wrong

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next

> mail I

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this

> chart

> > > apart

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used

> the same

> > > data

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> > > mongering

> > > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

> > > disagrees

> > > > > for it

> > > > > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna

> would

> > > make it

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I

> think

> > > if we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no

> doubt a

> > > WAR

> > > > > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved

> earlier

> > > also

> > > > > due

> > > > > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting

> Pakistan u

> > > name

> > > > > it,

> > > > > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold

> or HOT

> > > war.

> > > > > Am

> > > > > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars

> > > anywhere on

> > > > > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or

> the other

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries

> aspecting the

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am

> not wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not

> Mars Sun)

> > > > > which is

> > > > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how

> Racist/Fanatical he

> > > was ,

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior

> astrologer

> > > told

> > > > > me &

> > > > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally

> I have

> > > not

> > > > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot

> though

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not

> wrong)

> > > but I

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would

> miss vital

> > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3

> charts which

> > > I

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am

> going

> > > out

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The points are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to

> ask today

> > > > > morning

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to

> relate with

> > > its

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Raja

> Gursahani"

> > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior

> approach

> > > to

> > > > > life.

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign

> however he

> > > is

> > > > > full

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of

> him is

> > > > > mitigated

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over

> extend

> > > > > himself. I

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a

> dhanus

> > > lagna

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to

> handle

> > > all

> > > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and

> the

> > > kings

> > > > > > > residence.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> ________\

> > > > > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

I am relieved to learn that.

Chandrashekhar.

 

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> Logic is never out of fashion

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil John

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I said that Rao sahib says Sagittarius as warmongering based on what

> you

> > wrote in your mail. There is no question of my agreeing with him in

> this

> > regard.

> >

> > I can not comment on techniques taught by Yogis to Rao sahib unless he

> > says so himself. I am a simple person who understands that any

> argument

> > has to be supported by Pramana and tarka. But then I am from an

> earlier

> > generation and logic may not be in fashion these days.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > >

> > > 1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War

> Mongering

> > > rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

> > >

> > > 2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group is a

> > > different group after it was shifted from here to the new one Ben

> made

> > >

> > > 3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met him in

> July

> > > 06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for him. I

> do

> > > not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not or if

> he

> > > still continues to see this list.

> > >

> > > But I am sure

> > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N.

> Rao

> > > > holds in high regard.

> > >

> > > 4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a) Classical

> basis

> > > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see OUT

> OF

> > > THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has been

> > > taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of books.

> Also

> > > we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological texts

> and

> > > clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many

> oldies

> > > (most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

> > >

> > > 5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the exact

> date

> > > of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had high

> > > intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he got

> from

> > > observation (experience) does a classic give a method to predict

> exact

> > > date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we will

> > > perhaps

> > > > never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I am

> sure

> > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K. N.

> Rao

> > > > holds in high regard.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > U wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see

> it

> > > > > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

> > > whether

> > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius

> is a

> > > time

> > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil: Reply below

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same

> data

> > > and

> > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> mongering

> > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > undistinguished in

> > > > > battle fields.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

> > > Mongering

> > > > > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics

> well.

> > > Since

> > > > > this is not about determination of lagna where big astrologers

> will

> > > > > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or Can

> be

> > > or

> > > > > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side

> which

> > > few

> > > > > days back I posted.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a

> Brahman,

> > > > > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my

> english is

> > > > > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care

> > > > >

> > > > > At ur feet,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is

> > > certainly

> > > > > a

> > > > > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to

> the

> > > > > ancient

> > > > > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but

> not

> > > > > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

> > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what

> > > Bhavartha

> > > > > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

> > > definition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do

> not

> > > know

> > > > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference.

> will

> > > you

> > > > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> > > rising

> > > > > and

> > > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may

> be

> > > > > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> > > > > generally

> > > > > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or

> Moon

> > > rasi

> > > > > signs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying

> Moon

> > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not

> be

> > > > > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness,

> if I

> > > may

> > > > > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

> > > combination

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting

> the

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see

> it

> > > > > being

> > > > > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

> whether

> > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius

> is a

> > > time

> > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are different times d to signing of the

> declaration

> > > and

> > > > > > the first says :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the

> > > morning

> > > > > of

> > > > > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints

> the

> > > > > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called

> "Dunlap

> > > > > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of

> which

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's

> personal

> > > copy."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo

> depending on

> > > > > what

> > > > > > is to be called Morning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d &

> 4th

> > > days

> > > > > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the

> declaration

> > > was

> > > > > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed

> by

> > > every

> > > > > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio,

> depending

> > > on

> > > > > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that

> the

> > > > > sunset

> > > > > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with

> different

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate

> > > topic, I

> > > > > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but

> easy

> > > to

> > > > > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate

> subject

> > > line

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re

> > > Ego,

> > > > > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since

> thats

> > > a

> > > > > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that

> spiritual

> > > > > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums.

> What

> > > is

> > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may

> be

> > > the

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different

> > > views

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not

> venture in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved

> by

> > > others

> > > > > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun

> in

> > > > > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona.

> Hence

> > > I

> > > > > didnt

> > > > > > > venture into that

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being

> aggressive

> > > may

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S.

> I

> > > have

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the

> > > sign

> > > > > > > Sagittarius?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him

> by

> > > Yogi

> > > > > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned

> to do

> > > so,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be

> > > wrong

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next

> mail I

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this

> chart

> > > apart

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the

> same

> > > data

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> > > mongering

> > > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

> > > disagrees

> > > > > for it

> > > > > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would

> > > make it

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I

> think

> > > if we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no

> doubt a

> > > WAR

> > > > > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved

> earlier

> > > also

> > > > > due

> > > > > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u

> > > name

> > > > > it,

> > > > > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or

> HOT

> > > war.

> > > > > Am

> > > > > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars

> > > anywhere on

> > > > > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the

> other

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting

> the

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not

> wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars

> Sun)

> > > > > which is

> > > > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical

> he

> > > was ,

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior

> astrologer

> > > told

> > > > > me &

> > > > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I

> have

> > > not

> > > > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot

> though

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not

> wrong)

> > > but I

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss

> vital

> > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts

> which

> > > I

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am

> going

> > > out

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The points are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask

> today

> > > > > morning

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate

> with

> > > its

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Raja

> Gursahani"

> > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior

> approach

> > > to

> > > > > life.

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however

> he

> > > is

> > > > > full

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him

> is

> > > > > mitigated

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over

> extend

> > > > > himself. I

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a

> dhanus

> > > lagna

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to

> handle

> > > all

> > > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the

> > > kings

> > > > > > > residence.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> ________\

> > > > > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Yes I wonder why this was not observed days back........ or clarified

days back. Though it still doesn't answer the basic question of Sagi

being a combatant sign. Anyways I am still thinking the difference

between seed vs outer fruit. Sagi lord placed in house/association of

planets/sign aspect etc would obviously change the characteristics and

either make it very pious or combatant that is if we accept that Sagi

has those characteristics in it (Seed) otherwise how would it give the

results of pious/religious or racist/fanatic (fruit)

 

 

 

We were discussing the Seed (Sign Characteristic)

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Manjunath,

>

> It appears that my reluctance to accept Rao sahib having classified

> Sagittarius as warmongering sign was well placed. Thank you for the

> clarification.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> M. Sharma wrote:

> >

> > I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion. Here is the

> > quote from Sri KN Rao's website.

> >

> > "1) There is no doubt in my mind that the date chosen,4 July 1776,

> > is what all historians of USA accept as being correct.

> >

> > 2) USA celebrates 4 July every year as her day of independence with

> > which we have been familiar.

> >

> > 3) Majority of western astrologers have used different horoscopes of

> > 4 July but with different time.

> >

> > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

> > and given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> > mongering nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > undistinguished in battle fields.

> > " (end quote)

> >

> > The way I interpreted is that if we take Dhanu lagna - then look at

> > 7th house and we see Venus (sixth lord with Mars, Sun and Jup).

> > Taking 7th house for war - I interpreted this as someone (country in

> > our case) that gets into war (or disputes) easily. KN Rao never said

> > Dhanu is a war mongering sign. In my opinion, all he is saying is

> > that Dhanu lagna chart would make USA a war mongering/seeking nation

> > based on 7th house afflictions.

> >

> > My 2 cents

> > MS

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I said that Rao sahib says Sagittarius as warmongering based on

> > what you

> > > wrote in your mail. There is no question of my agreeing with him

> > in this

> > > regard.

> > >

> > > I can not comment on techniques taught by Yogis to Rao sahib

> > unless he

> > > says so himself. I am a simple person who understands that any

> > argument

> > > has to be supported by Pramana and tarka. But then I am from an

> > earlier

> > > generation and logic may not be in fashion these days.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > > >

> > > > 1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War

> > Mongering

> > > > rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

> > > >

> > > > 2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group is

> > a

> > > > different group after it was shifted from here to the new one

> > Ben made

> > > >

> > > > 3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met him

> > in July

> > > > 06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for him.

> > I do

> > > > not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not or

> > if he

> > > > still continues to see this list.

> > > >

> > > > But I am sure

> > > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K.

> > N. Rao

> > > > > holds in high regard.

> > > >

> > > > 4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a)

> > Classical basis

> > > > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see

> > OUT OF

> > > > THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has

> > been

> > > > taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of

> > books. Also

> > > > we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological

> > texts and

> > > > clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many

> > oldies

> > > > (most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

> > > >

> > > > 5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the

> > exact date

> > > > of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had high

> > > > intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he

> > got from

> > > > observation (experience) does a classic give a method to predict

> > exact

> > > > date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we

> > will

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But I

> > am sure

> > > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that K.

> > N. Rao

> > > > > holds in high regard.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you

> > see it

> > > > > > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions

> > about

> > > > whether

> > > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

> > Sagittarius is a

> > > > time

> > > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil: Reply below

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the

> > same data

> > > > and

> > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> > mongering

> > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

> > > > Mongering

> > > > > > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his basics

> > well.

> > > > Since

> > > > > > this is not about determination of lagna where big

> > astrologers will

> > > > > > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is or

> > Can be

> > > > or

> > > > > > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other side

> > which

> > > > few

> > > > > > days back I posted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a

> > Brahman,

> > > > > > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my

> > english is

> > > > > > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At ur feet,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius

is

> > > > certainly

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according

> > to the

> > > > > > ancient

> > > > > > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties

> > but not

> > > > > > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

> > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what

> > > > Bhavartha

> > > > > > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

> > > > definition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and

> > do not

> > > > know

> > > > > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

> > reference. will

> > > > you

> > > > > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was

> > Sagittarius

> > > > rising

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi

> > may be

> > > > > > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of

> > rasis is

> > > > > > generally

> > > > > > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs

> > or Moon

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > signs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So

> > tying Moon

> > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may

> > not be

> > > > > > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of

> > madness, if I

> > > > may

> > > > > > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

> > > > combination

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and

> > aspecting the

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you

> > see it

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

> > whether

> > > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

> > Sagittarius is a

> > > > time

> > > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are different times d to signing of the

> > declaration

> > > > and

> > > > > > > the first says :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in

> > the

> > > > morning

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap

> > prints the

> > > > > > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now

> > called "Dunlap

> > > > > > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of

> > which

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's

> > personal

> > > > copy."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo

> > depending on

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > is to be called Morning.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to

> > say:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d

> > 3d & 4th

> > > > days

> > > > > > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the

> > declaration

> > > > was

> > > > > > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and

> > signed by

> > > > every

> > > > > > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio,

> > depending

> > > > on

> > > > > > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember

> > that the

> > > > > > sunset

> > > > > > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with

> > different

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a

> > separate

> > > > topic, I

> > > > > > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized,

> > but easy

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate

> > subject

> > > > line

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my

> > interest, re

> > > > Ego,

> > > > > > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it

> > since thats

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that

> > spiritual

> > > > > > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological

> > forums. What

> > > > is

> > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what

> > may be

> > > > the

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have

> > different

> > > > views

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not

> > venture in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily

> > proved by

> > > > others

> > > > > > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or

> > sun in

> > > > > > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma

> > trikona. Hence

> > > > I

> > > > > > didnt

> > > > > > > > venture into that

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being

> > aggressive

> > > > may

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of

> > U.S. I

> > > > have

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get

> > the

> > > > sign

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to

> > him by

> > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well

noted

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was

> > commissioned to do

> > > > so,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can

> > be

> > > > wrong

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next

> > mail I

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this

> > chart

> > > > apart

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used

> > the same

> > > > data

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously

war

> > > > mongering

> > > > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

> > > > disagrees

> > > > > > for it

> > > > > > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna

> > would

> > > > make it

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I

> > think

> > > > if we

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no

> > doubt a

> > > > WAR

> > > > > > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved

> > earlier

> > > > also

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting

> > Pakistan u

> > > > name

> > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold

> > or HOT

> > > > war.

> > > > > > Am

> > > > > > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars

> > > > anywhere on

> > > > > > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or

> > the other

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries

> > aspecting the

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am

> > not wrong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not

> > Mars Sun)

> > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how

> > Racist/Fanatical he

> > > > was ,

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior

> > astrologer

> > > > told

> > > > > > me &

> > > > > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally

> > I have

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot

> > though

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not

> > wrong)

> > > > but I

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would

> > miss vital

> > > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3

> > charts which

> > > > I

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am

> > going

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The points are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to

> > ask today

> > > > > > morning

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to

> > relate with

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Raja

> > Gursahani"

> > > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior

> > approach

> > > > to

> > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign

> > however he

> > > > is

> > > > > > full

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of

> > him is

> > > > > > mitigated

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over

> > extend

> > > > > > himself. I

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a

> > dhanus

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to

> > handle

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and

> > the

> > > > kings

> > > > > > > > residence.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > ________\

> > > > > > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

 

//a) Classical

basis

> > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see

OUT OF THE BOX...//

What's this, 'milk with orange"- compliment?I think KNRao deserves

better!

Regards,

Anna

 

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> Logic is never out of fashion

>

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> Sunil John

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I said that Rao sahib says Sagittarius as warmongering based on

what

> you

> > wrote in your mail. There is no question of my agreeing with him

in

> this

> > regard.

> >

> > I can not comment on techniques taught by Yogis to Rao sahib

unless he

> > says so himself. I am a simple person who understands that any

> argument

> > has to be supported by Pramana and tarka. But then I am from an

> earlier

> > generation and logic may not be in fashion these days.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > >

> > > 1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War

> Mongering

> > > rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

> > >

> > > 2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group

is a

> > > different group after it was shifted from here to the new one

Ben

> made

> > >

> > > 3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met

him in

> July

> > > 06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for

him. I

> do

> > > not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not

or if

> he

> > > still continues to see this list.

> > >

> > > But I am sure

> > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that

K. N.

> Rao

> > > > holds in high regard.

> > >

> > > 4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a)

Classical

> basis

> > > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to

see OUT

> OF

> > > THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has

been

> > > taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of

books.

> Also

> > > we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological

texts

> and

> > > clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many

> oldies

> > > (most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

> > >

> > > 5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the

exact

> date

> > > of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had

high

> > > intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he

got

> from

> > > observation (experience) does a classic give a method to

predict

> exact

> > > date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we

will

> > > perhaps

> > > > never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But

I am

> sure

> > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that

K. N.

> Rao

> > > > holds in high regard.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > U wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and

you see

> it

> > > > > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions

about

> > > whether

> > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

Sagittarius

> is a

> > > time

> > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil: Reply below

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the

same

> data

> > > and

> > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> mongering

> > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > undistinguished in

> > > > > battle fields.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

> > > Mongering

> > > > > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his

basics

> well.

> > > Since

> > > > > this is not about determination of lagna where big

astrologers

> will

> > > > > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is

or Can

> be

> > > or

> > > > > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other

side

> which

> > > few

> > > > > days back I posted.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a

> Brahman,

> > > > > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my

> english is

> > > > > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care

> > > > >

> > > > > At ur feet,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius

is

> > > certainly

> > > > > a

> > > > > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according

to

> the

> > > > > ancient

> > > > > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and

entreaties but

> not

> > > > > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

> > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is

what

> > > Bhavartha

> > > > > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

> > > definition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist

and do

> not

> > > know

> > > > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

reference.

> will

> > > you

> > > > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was

Sagittarius

> > > rising

> > > > > and

> > > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a

rasi may

> be

> > > > > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of

rasis is

> > > > > generally

> > > > > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs

or

> Moon

> > > rasi

> > > > > signs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So

tying

> Moon

> > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings

may not

> be

> > > > > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of

madness,

> if I

> > > may

> > > > > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

> > > combination

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and

aspecting

> the

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and

you see

> it

> > > > > being

> > > > > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

> whether

> > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

Sagittarius

> is a

> > > time

> > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are different times d to signing of the

> declaration

> > > and

> > > > > > the first says :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence

in the

> > > morning

> > > > > of

> > > > > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap

prints

> the

> > > > > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called

> "Dunlap

> > > > > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two

of

> which

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's

> personal

> > > copy."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo

> depending on

> > > > > what

> > > > > > is to be called Morning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to

say:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d

3d &

> 4th

> > > days

> > > > > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the

> declaration

> > > was

> > > > > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and

signed

> by

> > > every

> > > > > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio,

> depending

> > > on

> > > > > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember

that

> the

> > > > > sunset

> > > > > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with

> different

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a

separate

> > > topic, I

> > > > > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when

pressurized, but

> easy

> > > to

> > > > > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate

> subject

> > > line

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my

interest, re

> > > Ego,

> > > > > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it

since

> thats

> > > a

> > > > > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that

> spiritual

> > > > > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological

forums.

> What

> > > is

> > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not

what may

> be

> > > the

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have

different

> > > views

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not

> venture in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily

proved

> by

> > > others

> > > > > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona

or sun

> in

> > > > > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma

trikona.

> Hence

> > > I

> > > > > didnt

> > > > > > > venture into that

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being

> aggressive

> > > may

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of

U.S.

> I

> > > have

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you

get the

> > > sign

> > > > > > > Sagittarius?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to

him

> by

> > > Yogi

> > > > > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well

noted

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was

commissioned

> to do

> > > so,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I

can be

> > > wrong

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In

next

> mail I

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this

> chart

> > > apart

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used

the

> same

> > > data

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously

war

> > > mongering

> > > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

> > > disagrees

> > > > > for it

> > > > > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna

would

> > > make it

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR &

I

> think

> > > if we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no

> doubt a

> > > WAR

> > > > > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved

> earlier

> > > also

> > > > > due

> > > > > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting

Pakistan u

> > > name

> > > > > it,

> > > > > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold

or

> HOT

> > > war.

> > > > > Am

> > > > > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all

wars

> > > anywhere on

> > > > > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or

the

> other

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries

aspecting

> the

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am

not

> wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not

Mars

> Sun)

> > > > > which is

> > > > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how

Racist/Fanatical

> he

> > > was ,

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior

> astrologer

> > > told

> > > > > me &

> > > > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists.

Incidentally I

> have

> > > not

> > > > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis

words

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot

> though

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not

> wrong)

> > > but I

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would

miss

> vital

> > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3

charts

> which

> > > I

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I

am

> going

> > > out

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The points are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to

ask

> today

> > > > > morning

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to

relate

> with

> > > its

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Raja

> Gursahani"

> > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior

> approach

> > > to

> > > > > life.

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign

however

> he

> > > is

> > > > > full

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of

him

> is

> > > > > mitigated

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over

> extend

> > > > > himself. I

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a

> dhanus

> > > lagna

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to

> handle

> > > all

> > > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons)

and the

> > > kings

> > > > > > > residence.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> ________\

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

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||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Anna,

 

What are 4 lines that I wrote nothing, obviously books can be written on

him.

 

 

 

Out of Box is the key if u get it.

 

 

 

I am told that Seshadiri Iyer & Krishnamurthi, when they came out with

their works, there were hundreds who opposed and now people use Yogi

Avayogi & KP and is accepted by others too. They weren't even considered

Out of the Box, they were considered mad I am told, some enemies of them

called it Blasphemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, "bona_mente" <bona_mente

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> //a) Classical

> basis

> > > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to see

> OUT OF THE BOX...//

> What's this, 'milk with orange"- compliment?I think KNRao deserves

> better!

> Regards,

> Anna

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > Logic is never out of fashion

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I said that Rao sahib says Sagittarius as warmongering based on

> what

> > you

> > > wrote in your mail. There is no question of my agreeing with him

> in

> > this

> > > regard.

> > >

> > > I can not comment on techniques taught by Yogis to Rao sahib

> unless he

> > > says so himself. I am a simple person who understands that any

> > argument

> > > has to be supported by Pramana and tarka. But then I am from an

> > earlier

> > > generation and logic may not be in fashion these days.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > > >

> > > > 1) atleast now u have agreed that Rao saheb says Sagi is War

> > Mongering

> > > > rasi, earlier ur mail stated I used the word "War Mongering"

> > > >

> > > > 2) Anyways, I wonder if Rao Saheb sees these mails, his group

> is a

> > > > different group after it was shifted from here to the new one

> Ben

> > made

> > > >

> > > > 3) Even there I wonder if he sees any mails since when i met

> him in

> > July

> > > > 06 he said after 6 yrs of contribution the list is over for

> him. I

> > do

> > > > not know if he still receives the mails from that list or not

> or if

> > he

> > > > still continues to see this list.

> > > >

> > > > But I am sure

> > > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that

> K. N.

> > Rao

> > > > > holds in high regard.

> > > >

> > > > 4) My personal opinion about Rao Saheb is few things a)

> Classical

> > basis

> > > > b) Romantic Approach c) Scientific Temperament d) Ability to

> see OUT

> > OF

> > > > THE BOX - these were his secrets of success & ofcourse he has

> been

> > > > taught by Yogis whereas most of us are still at the stage of

> books.

> > Also

> > > > we must not forget we do not have all our vedic astrological

> texts

> > and

> > > > clinging to them steadfastedly would be non-productive as many

> > oldies

> > > > (most imp successful astrologers) have demonstrated that.

> > > >

> > > > 5) When the legendary P.S.Iyer was asked how he predicts the

> exact

> > date

> > > > of marriage & exact date of job consistently, and if he had

> high

> > > > intuition he said no, only on the basis of technique which he

> got

> > from

> > > > observation (experience) does a classic give a method to

> predict

> > exact

> > > > date of job & marriage, the answer to this all of us know.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > Since Rao sahib has chosen to keep silent on this issue, we

> will

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > never know why he calls Sagittarius war mongering rasi. But

> I am

> > sure

> > > > > there is no such reference in Vedic astrological texts that

> K. N.

> > Rao

> > > > > holds in high regard.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and

> you see

> > it

> > > > > > being war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions

> about

> > > > whether

> > > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

> Sagittarius

> > is a

> > > > time

> > > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil: Reply below

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls re-read my post & I re-quote Mr. KN Rao's article

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the

> same

> > data

> > > > and

> > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war

> > mongering

> > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil : So u see it is not me who sees USA (Dhanu) as a War

> > > > Mongering

> > > > > > Nation it is MR KN RAO. I am quite sure he learnt his

> basics

> > well.

> > > > Since

> > > > > > this is not about determination of lagna where big

> astrologers

> > will

> > > > > > differ, this is basics of astrology of what SAGI LAGNA Is

> or Can

> > be

> > > > or

> > > > > > Capable of, which doesn't mean it doesnt have its other

> side

> > which

> > > > few

> > > > > > days back I posted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am wondering why is Shri Rao not calling Dhanu lagna a

> > Brahman,

> > > > > > Satwick, Pious, Religious Lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I have made a mistake in interpreting Raos words as my

> > english is

> > > > > > poor I concede, for me its only a learning curve.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At ur feet,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius

> is

> > > > certainly

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according

> to

> > the

> > > > > > ancient

> > > > > > > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and

> entreaties but

> > not

> > > > > > > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then

> > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is

> what

> > > > Bhavartha

> > > > > > > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that

> > > > definition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist

> and do

> > not

> > > > know

> > > > > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

> reference.

> > will

> > > > you

> > > > > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was

> Sagittarius

> > > > rising

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a

> rasi may

> > be

> > > > > > > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of

> rasis is

> > > > > > generally

> > > > > > > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs

> or

> > Moon

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > signs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So

> tying

> > Moon

> > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings

> may not

> > be

> > > > > > > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of

> madness,

> > if I

> > > > may

> > > > > > > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu

> > > > combination

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and

> aspecting

> > the

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and

> you see

> > it

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about

> > whether

> > > > > > > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to

> Sagittarius

> > is a

> > > > time

> > > > > > > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are different times d to signing of the

> > declaration

> > > > and

> > > > > > > the first says :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence

> in the

> > > > morning

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap

> prints

> > the

> > > > > > > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called

> > "Dunlap

> > > > > > > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two

> of

> > which

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's

> > personal

> > > > copy."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo

> > depending on

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > is to be called Morning.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to

> say:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d

> 3d &

> > 4th

> > > > days

> > > > > > > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the

> > declaration

> > > > was

> > > > > > > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and

> signed

> > by

> > > > every

> > > > > > > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio,

> > depending

> > > > on

> > > > > > > what is to be treated as evening.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember

> that

> > the

> > > > > > sunset

> > > > > > > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with

> > different

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a

> separate

> > > > topic, I

> > > > > > > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when

> pressurized, but

> > easy

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > appease with truth and reason.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate

> > subject

> > > > line

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my

> interest, re

> > > > Ego,

> > > > > > > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it

> since

> > thats

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that

> > spiritual

> > > > > > > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological

> forums.

> > What

> > > > is

> > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not

> what may

> > be

> > > > the

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have

> different

> > > > views

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not

> > venture in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily

> proved

> > by

> > > > others

> > > > > > > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona

> or sun

> > in

> > > > > > > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma

> trikona.

> > Hence

> > > > I

> > > > > > didnt

> > > > > > > > venture into that

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being

> > aggressive

> > > > may

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of

> U.S.

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you

> get the

> > > > sign

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to

> him

> > by

> > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well

> noted

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was

> commissioned

> > to do

> > > > so,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I

> can be

> > > > wrong

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In

> next

> > mail I

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this

> > chart

> > > > apart

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used

> the

> > same

> > > > data

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously

> war

> > > > mongering

> > > > > > > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> > > > > > undistinguished in

> > > > > > > > battle fields.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb

> > > > disagrees

> > > > > > for it

> > > > > > > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna

> would

> > > > make it

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR &

> I

> > think

> > > > if we

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no

> > doubt a

> > > > WAR

> > > > > > > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved

> > earlier

> > > > also

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting

> Pakistan u

> > > > name

> > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold

> or

> > HOT

> > > > war.

> > > > > > Am

> > > > > > > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all

> wars

> > > > anywhere on

> > > > > > > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or

> the

> > other

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries

> aspecting

> > the

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am

> not

> > wrong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not

> Mars

> > Sun)

> > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how

> Racist/Fanatical

> > he

> > > > was ,

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior

> > astrologer

> > > > told

> > > > > > me &

> > > > > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists.

> Incidentally I

> > have

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis

> words

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot

> > though

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not

> > wrong)

> > > > but I

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would

> miss

> > vital

> > > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3

> charts

> > which

> > > > I

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I

> am

> > going

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The points are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to

> ask

> > today

> > > > > > morning

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to

> relate

> > with

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Raja

> > Gursahani"

> > > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior

> > approach

> > > > to

> > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign

> however

> > he

> > > > is

> > > > > > full

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > justice

> > > > > > > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of

> him

> > is

> > > > > > mitigated

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over

> > extend

> > > > > > himself. I

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a

> > dhanus

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > that be

> > > > > > > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to

> > handle

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons)

> and the

> > > > kings

> > > > > > > > residence.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > ________\

> > > > > > > > > > ____

> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > Release

> > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > 8/24/2006

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