Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Dear friends, In my twenties I have gone through all the KP readers and done some research on the procedures/ method adopted by KP users. A few interesting questions for which no scientic reasons could come out from the system are : (1) Why only placidus system of house division ? All the systems of house divisions (except the equal house systme) starts with one primary assumption that the rasi chakra (27 constellations) are just sitting on the imaginary path of movement of the sun called zodiac in english. But none of the classics like BPHS ever mentions these constellations sitting just over the IMAGINARY PATH OF SUN'S MOTION ROUND THE EARTH. (2) Aspects- why adopt western aspects when we have detailed guidelines available on the subject in our classics- for example the square aspect of western astrology in indian astrology is again divided into 10th house aspect and 4th house aspect= with varying influence and results. the trine aspect of western astrologey is cleary divided into 5th house aspect and 9th house aspects as per indian system (3)the KP system users have no fool proof guidelines on dealing with planets in rasi sandhi planets in bhava sandhi ( No bhava sandhi exist as per the house system followed by KP !) planets under combustion (4) the planets status like exaltation has no value under KP (5)under KP system the word - some planet having link with houses 2,7,11 gives marriage - the word 'link' is quite ambiguous and even poses a lot of problem to the regular KP users. when one planet is significator of houses of contradicting interest - say 7th and 6th house there is need of some mathematical methods to gaudge the quantitative measure/method for comparing the significations of both the houses numerically by a signle planet. (for example- 10 unit of 7th house and 8 units of 6th house is signified - so that the beginner/ practirioner is saved from predicting divorce/ serious marital disturbance in every case he comes with the period/sub-period lord signifying 6th and 7th house) Inviting comments of learned and experience members on KP and need for moditification of this system for better predictions. With regards to all, Mrutyunjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Dear Mritunjaya, We can discuss unendingly on issues as such with proofs from both sides to support any claims. But ultimately the results have to be seen, whether they match or not the client/native and help him in advice or not. If we can comment on the system after giving at least 5 years of study to it, it would be better. 95% of your points can be answered here even by a beginner who is studying this system. As regards to modifications I would not have the authenticity to suggest, unless I give at least 15 years practise to this system and applications. Once the Taj Mahal has been made we will find many people who can point out the flaws ( as per their observation ),but how to beautify it needs to be seen. But to beautify this system first we need to know every inch of the area occupied by the Taj, (Study of this system), then only can we do it ? I would have loved to answer all your observations, but my whole last week had been wasted in unnecessary arguments, so I want to avoid that and get into serving people instead. I sincerely wish that You please find a good Guru of this system who will help you out with the application process, then maybe next time you will have just 1-2 points left to discuss with me or one who is follower of this sytem. regards, Bhaskar. , jyotish mrutyunjay <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear friends, > > In my twenties I have gone through all the KP readers > and done some research on the procedures/ method > adopted by KP users. A few interesting questions for > which no scientic reasons could come out from the > system are : > > (1) Why only placidus system of house division ? > All the systems of house divisions (except the equal > house systme) starts with one primary assumption that > the rasi chakra (27 constellations) are just sitting > on the imaginary path of movement of the sun called > zodiac in english. But none of the classics like BPHS > ever mentions these constellations sitting just > over the IMAGINARY PATH OF SUN'S MOTION ROUND THE > EARTH. > > (2) Aspects- why adopt western aspects when we have > detailed guidelines available on the subject in our > classics- > > for example the square aspect of western astrology > > in indian astrology is again divided into 10th house > aspect and 4th house aspect= with varying influence > and results. > > the trine aspect of western astrologey is cleary > divided into 5th house aspect and 9th house aspects as > per indian system > > (3)the KP system users have no fool proof guidelines > on dealing with > > planets in rasi sandhi > planets in bhava sandhi ( No bhava sandhi exist as per > the house system followed by KP !) > planets under combustion > > (4) the planets status like exaltation has no value > under KP > > (5)under KP system the word - some planet having link > with houses 2,7,11 gives marriage - the word 'link' is > quite ambiguous and even poses a lot of problem to > the regular KP users. > > when one planet is significator of houses of > contradicting interest - say 7th and 6th house > there is need of some mathematical methods to gaudge > the > quantitative measure/method for > > comparing the significations of both the houses > numerically by a signle planet. (for example- 10 unit > of 7th house and 8 units of 6th house is signified - > so that the beginner/ practirioner is saved from > predicting divorce/ serious marital disturbance in > every case he comes with the period/sub-period lord > signifying 6th and 7th house) > > Inviting comments of learned and experience members on > KP and need for moditification of this system for > better predictions. > > With regards to all, > > Mrutyunjay > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Dear Mritunjaya, Since I have some time, I will take up your questions by answering in short. a) Why only placidus system of house division ? Answer- There are many reasons for that ,not proper platform, answer can run into pages.As long as it gives best results it doent mattter. Just like it dosent matter why the various Rashis were alloted particular Lordships or Vimsottari Dasha each planet being given dfferent no.of years.Placidus system is nothing but Cuspal chart or you may call Bhava-Chalit for simpler understanding of similiarities. b)Aspects- why adopt western aspects when we have detailed guidelines available on the subject in our classics. Answer- You ay that You have done research on KP. But KP does not use Western aspects. Indian aspects are only used. But in English books to explain English readers 4th and 10th aspect for ex.may be mentioned as Square,does not mean that we are copying Western aspects. c)the KP system users have no fool proof guidelines on dealing with planets in rasi sandhi planets in bhava sandhi ( No bhava sandhi exist as per the house system followed by KP !) planets under combustion Answer- On the contrary KP has the most effective system of using the above. What do you think is the Placidus sytem for ? d)the planets status like exaltation has no value under KP. Answer- Even exaltation,debilation, and retrogression has say in Kp, but in end reults ,for precesion predective purposes and not for 1st step theory, but later steps this comes in. e)under KP system the word - some planet having link with houses 2,7,11 gives marriage - the word 'link' is quite ambiguous and even poses a lot of problem to the regular KP users. Ans- Ambiguity is not there in this system which is the beauty Sir of KP system. Marriage will be there or not there. only one answer will come. There will not be answer that marriage may happen,if You ask a KP expert he will give you the day of marriage too. For ex. 3,6,10,12 will signify divorce.,if a question pertaining to marriage is asked and also change of profession if a question pertaining to that is asked. No place for ambiguity. Sir, I have started using this system extensively for six months and have come to love it. Just like the planets move on a belt of nine degrees-16 and do not deviate from that so also the KP system on the front looks like deviation but for a good student who wants to study it will not find much variation from the Vedic,just like cream and milk. I can give you lots of examples and prove my points, but I dont want to argue with anyone,and loose friendship. And even if I win I will still lose a friend, which i dont want to. because no one likes to loose and dont want to be part of this winning or loosing game. Better to look less wise or least knowledgable rather than loose companionships. I sincerely tell you,please study under some good practioner and you will find this system to give superb and astounding results., because its Nakshatra based. I hope this is my last mail to You on this subject. regards, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Mritunjaya, > > We can discuss unendingly on issues as such with proofs from both > sides to support any claims. > But ultimately the results have to be seen, whether they match or not > the client/native and help him in advice or not. > If we can comment on the system after giving at least 5 years of > study to it, it would be better. > 95% of your points can be answered here even by a beginner who is > studying this system. > As regards to modifications I would not have the authenticity to > suggest, > unless I give at least 15 years practise to this system and > applications. > Once the Taj Mahal has been made we will find many people > who can point out the flaws ( as per their observation ),but > how to beautify it needs to be seen. > But to beautify this system first we need to know every inch of the > area occupied by the Taj, (Study of this system), > then only can we do it ? > I would have loved to answer all your observations, but my whole last > week had been wasted in > unnecessary arguments, so I want to avoid that and get into serving > people instead. > > I sincerely wish that You please find a good Guru of this system who > will help you out with the application process, then maybe next time > you will have just 1-2 points left to discuss with me or one who is > follower of this sytem. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , jyotish mrutyunjay > <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > In my twenties I have gone through all the KP readers > > and done some research on the procedures/ method > > adopted by KP users. A few interesting questions for > > which no scientic reasons could come out from the > > system are : > > > > (1) Why only placidus system of house division ? > > All the systems of house divisions (except the equal > > house systme) starts with one primary assumption that > > the rasi chakra (27 constellations) are just sitting > > on the imaginary path of movement of the sun called > > zodiac in english. But none of the classics like BPHS > > ever mentions these constellations sitting just > > over the IMAGINARY PATH OF SUN'S MOTION ROUND THE > > EARTH. > > > > (2) Aspects- why adopt western aspects when we have > > detailed guidelines available on the subject in our > > classics- > > > > for example the square aspect of western astrology > > > > in indian astrology is again divided into 10th house > > aspect and 4th house aspect= with varying influence > > and results. > > > > the trine aspect of western astrologey is cleary > > divided into 5th house aspect and 9th house aspects as > > per indian system > > > > (3)the KP system users have no fool proof guidelines > > on dealing with > > > > planets in rasi sandhi > > planets in bhava sandhi ( No bhava sandhi exist as per > > the house system followed by KP !) > > planets under combustion > > > > (4) the planets status like exaltation has no value > > under KP > > > > (5)under KP system the word - some planet having link > > with houses 2,7,11 gives marriage - the word 'link' is > > quite ambiguous and even poses a lot of problem to > > the regular KP users. > > > > when one planet is significator of houses of > > contradicting interest - say 7th and 6th house > > there is need of some mathematical methods to gaudge > > the > > quantitative measure/method for > > > > comparing the significations of both the houses > > numerically by a signle planet. (for example- 10 unit > > of 7th house and 8 units of 6th house is signified - > > so that the beginner/ practirioner is saved from > > predicting divorce/ serious marital disturbance in > > every case he comes with the period/sub-period lord > > signifying 6th and 7th house) > > > > Inviting comments of learned and experience members on > > KP and need for moditification of this system for > > better predictions. > > > > With regards to all, > > > > Mrutyunjay > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dear friend, A lot of thanks for coming forward with your views on KP. (i) As regards the system of house division- i hope to get some reasonable explanations somewhere some day. Let leave the issue of house division here. (ii)As regards positional strenght/status of planet like exaltation/debilition- if a planet or sub-lord of the 7th cusp is strong significator of 6 and 7 houses, what should be the ideal predictions- (a) delay in marriage or (b) marriage and then divorce © marital disturbance How the beginner in KP will decide ? (iii) In which volume/chapter of the reader of the KP system there is mention about planets in rasi sandhi and bhava sandhi- the methods or ways to deal with their significations may plz mention- i want to just recheck- for confirmation. (iv) For example if mercury, ketu and venus are significator for houses 2,7,11 in a chat- why the marriage do not takes place in mercury-mercury only ? (v) as the KP system the cusp of a house is treated as the starting point of the house- following the Western System- how can it be said to be Indian system of house division ? For the purpose of learning exercise i m presenting the birth details of my younger brother Name Srinivas Tripthy, Date of birth 29th July 1971 Time of birth 10.20 AM Latitude:21 N 45 Longitude 85 E 45 ---------- Educational Qualification : B.Com (2nd division) and A level certificat in computer science approved by DOEACC. ------------ Nature:- A bit shy and speaks less. Likes friendship with boys younger than him. Most dislikes - direct criticism. ------------ Currently running a offset printing press plus giving tuition on computer science to college students on private basis. ------------------ Suffered from continuous/ frequent attack of malaria parasite from August 1994 to August 1995. ------------------- The birthtime given is accuate and justifies the life events as per normala parasari principles. Astrologer friends conversant with KP system are just to predict the marriage date only and the nature/personality of the partner/ wife as a test case for KP system. With best wishes and regards, Mrutyunjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dear Mritunjaya, This was what I was fearing. More arguments,counter arguments,and then discussions. Me having to explain things. I have not read a a single book on KP for last few years. For me to pinpoint which page what is written. I am learning under Guru, two hours every week. Then using that knowledge in reading. Do not test me please I am not wise like you or the other astrolgers here. I am ordinary person, just started learning yesterday morning. Please go to KP experts ,must be there in your city too,wherever you are. Dont ask kindergarten student about MBA or CAT questions., or PHDstudent about 2x5 multiplication tables. I dont need to show you anything by answering any test. Please consider me a fool and let be. Little time I have I wouldlike to spend answering natives and not appearing for tests to prove anything. Thereare other smart people around you may ask them to prove them. And one more thing by not answering any test given by any second party,the first party does not become the looser, neither the second party the winner. We should spend our time serving ,rather than trying to throw other astrologers out of their seats, or prove that they dont know much, or push them near the wall. The questions you are asking, even if you read 2 books on KP you will get the answer,why you are asking me i dont understand. Is it to push me behind the wall or in tight corner by counter arguing ? by asking me to prove a point ? I clearly mentioned in my last mail that I would not be available for further discussion on above subject., then why are you after me for replying your questions ? This mail of your seems to be handiwork of someone else, AK-47 put on Your shoulders and trigger pressed by some one else. I would be happy to see you solving queries here rather than asking me to explain. One more thing. Those who are on the Forum should know that no system is seperate. How many times has this to be told ? Why are we against people who come out with anything which SEEMS NEW., which in fact is not, but ancient principles of Nakshatra which have been stopped in use by majority since last 50 years or so. Let me also remind You and others what the Moderator of this Forum has mentioned on his homepage. " Allowed schools are pure Vedic Astrology, KP (Krishnamurti Paddhati) etc. " I wish You had not used that word 'Test" and then I would have enjoyed discussing with you on other things as time would have permitted. I also would have given weekly lessons on what I have learnt to the students who want to,over here, but last weeks episode which cost me a friend, I do not want to repeat and dont want to get into arguments with associates here. regards, Bhaskar. , jyotish mrutyunjay <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear friend, > > > A lot of thanks for coming forward with your views on > KP. > > (i) As regards the system of house division- i hope to > get some reasonable explanations somewhere some day. > Let leave the issue of house division here. > > (ii)As regards positional strenght/status of planet > like exaltation/debilition- > > if a planet or sub-lord of the 7th cusp is strong > significator of 6 and 7 houses, what should be the > ideal predictions- > > (a) delay in marriage or > (b) marriage and then divorce > © marital disturbance > > How the beginner in KP will decide ? > > (iii) In which volume/chapter of the reader of the KP > system there is mention about planets in rasi sandhi > and bhava sandhi- the methods or ways to deal with > their significations may plz mention- i want to just > recheck- for confirmation. > > (iv) For example if mercury, ketu and venus are > significator for houses 2,7,11 in a chat- why the > marriage do not takes place in mercury-mercury only ? > > (v) as the KP system the cusp of a house is treated as > the starting point of the house- following the Western > System- how can it be said to be Indian system of > house division ? > > For the purpose of learning exercise i m presenting > the birth details of my younger brother > > Name Srinivas Tripthy, > > Date of birth 29th July 1971 > Time of birth 10.20 AM > Latitude:21 N 45 > Longitude 85 E 45 > ---------- > > Educational Qualification : B.Com (2nd division) > and A level certificat in computer science approved by > DOEACC. > ------------ > Nature:- > A bit shy and speaks less. > Likes friendship with boys younger than him. > Most dislikes - direct criticism. > ------------ > Currently running a offset printing press plus giving > tuition on computer science to college students > on private basis. > ------------------ > Suffered from continuous/ frequent attack of malaria > parasite from August 1994 to August 1995. > ------------------- > > The birthtime given is accuate and justifies the life > events as per normala parasari principles. > > Astrologer friends conversant with KP system are just > to predict the marriage date only and the > nature/personality of the partner/ wife as a test case > for KP system. > > > With best wishes and regards, > > Mrutyunjay > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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