Saptamsa chart - attention students of Shri PVR Narasimha Rao

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Dear Sourav and other learned list members,

 

I would like one clarification about nodal axis in Saptamsa chart. If

a node becomes the lord of child, would it stop further children

after that?

In this context, pl. have a look at my chart. The details are

DOB: 16-Sep-1971

TOB: 4:15 AM (IST)

POB: 75E43' , 29N10' (India)

My Saptmasa Analysis is:

Saptamsa Lagna is Leo (Odd Sign). So counting begins from 5H.

First Child : 5H(Saggi) Lord Jupiter alone in Gemini. My daughter was

born in Jan 2004 in my Jupiter anatardasha(Vimsottari).

Second conception : 7H (Aquarius) having two lords Sani & Rahu. As

Sani is sitting in Aquarius, we consider Rahu as lord. Rahu is placed

in scorpio with Mars (9H Lord). It was lost/abortion.May be due to

Mars conjuction(ruling abortions) or because two child lords together

(7H & 9H) and only one can survive.

Can I now assume that third child represented by Mars is possible

even after the Node Rahu having been encountered. What about Mars /

Rahu conjunction. does it represent any congenital problems with the

child specially since in Rasi chart there is a grah yuddha b/w rahu &

mars where mars is defeated. The Sani antardasa seems alright for

having a child as Sani is having argala on child lord Mars.

 

The count of children is seen in foll. ways (as per my limited

knowledge):

1. 5H is rasi chart is aspected(rasi drishti) by only one planet

Venus so that would mean only one child (daughter).

2. 5L in Rasi Jupiter has traversed only two rasis in Navamsa so only

two conceptions

Kindly clarify whether my analysis is on right lines

Any inputs would be greatly appreciated.

Anita

 

vedic astrology, "Sourav" <souravc108

wrote:

>

>

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear David,

>

> Namaskar. Although I do not live in Boston

and

> unable thereby to attend classes directly, I am a student of Sri

Rao.

> Hence, I tried to respond to your query when I happen to come

across it.

>

> The Nodal axis tries to stop further children. It may be that the

nodes

> are crossed over or they may be seated in the house of the children

> itself. The more difficulty is given by Rahu because it is dire

enemy of

> Putra karaka Guru. However, if Guru is strong in Rasi chart and/or

> Saptamsa Chart and in Saptaamsa chart if it is related to the lord

of

> the house (indicating the child in question) or the house itself,

then

> Guru can struggle and win for that child. Further children is not

> possible or remotely possible. This is how the nodes exception is

> understood by me. So suppose, for example, there are two children

> already born to a native and suppose we are talking about third

child

> and we count to a house 'X' for this third child. So while counting

(via

> Manduka Gati) upto the house 'X' a node is encountered in the path,

the

> third child is doubtful, unless the strength of Guru or lord of

house X

> can overturn the nodal restriction. If however, node is in the

house

> 'X' it can cause problem in pregnancy itself but may not deny that

child

> if lord is strong. In such a case where the 'frog' tries to jump

over

> the Nodal axis to reach house 'X', third child possibility is remote

> (miscarriages etc can happen) and fourth child possibilty is much

much

> less. Now if Ketu is the node in question and if we are talking

about

> first child, Ketu allows one child because of the dictum 'Ketau

kulasya

> unnatim' (Ketu helps in prolonging a person's lineage and hence

permits

> one child). But if it is Rahu, trouble related to pregnancy is

> definitely there. In such cases worship of Varaha Avatara or

Gopala is

> very much necessary for delivery. I have cases in which Rahu caused

> miscarriage twice when further pregnancies were planned that too

during

> Rahu mahadasa. Please also refer to Sanjay-ji's article in his

website

> for illustrations. Please note that the termination of possibility

of

> further children is not a guaranteed rule and strength-related

factors

> or remedial measures can intervene so judgement is, to some extent,

> subjective.

>

> Please let me know if you have further questions or if I was

unclear. I

> will be delighted if Guru-ji clarifies or correct me.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> =================================================================

>

>

> vedic astrology, David Andrews <dprapus@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Sourav,

> >

> > Thank you for your kind response. I have listened in to Shri PVR

> Narasimha Rao ji's MP3 on the subject. Without a shadow of doubt

those

> MP3s are a boon to students of vedic astrology. Unfortunately for

me,

> neither Lesson 13 (the summary) nor the MP3 on the subject does not

> cover the area of my enquiry.

> > I have no doubt that Shri PVR Narasimha Rao's students would have

had

> the benefit of clarifying the doubts with him and would have

benefitted

> from the lessons, hence my request to them. Unfortunately, no one

has

> seen fit to help clarify the points I have raised.

> > Hope, they would spare some time and help clarify the matters for

me.

> > I have Varga Chakra where there is an article by Shri Visti

Larsen on

> Saptamsa. His article does not help me clarify the doubts. Hope

Visti ji

> does see this and help clarify those doubts for me.

> > Thank you once again.

> >

> > David

> >

> >

> > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear David,

> >

> > Namaskar. Nice to know you are using the

> > Notes for learning. When in doubt, please refer to the audio

> associated.

> > There could be a typo. The message is that Rahu and Ketu stops the

> > Manduka Gati and further children is stopped. If the lord of the

house

> > which shows next child is very strong then only one more child is

> > allowed. Otherwise, there are no more children. In such cases

further

> > attempts can lead to miscarriages especially is unfavourable dasa

is

> > running. In certain cases Ketu allows one child (as Ketu stands

for

> > prolonging the Kula or family), but for further children, Ketu is

not

> > favourable and behaves like Rahu.

> >

> > Please do not substitute the mp3's entirely with the notes. The

notes

> > are only short summaries and may skip some valuable advices given

in

> the

> > mp3 audio.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ===============================================================

> > vedic astrology, David Andrews dprapus@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > I am referring to Shri PVR Narasimha Rao's classes at Boston,

> > particularly Lesson 13 on Saptamsa - Identifying children in a D7

> chart.

> > > In Key Notes, No.9 it states, "If you are jumping Ra, Ke is

> > encountered; it is an end to the children (Manduka (frog) jump is

> > stopped) unless the planet, which supposes to give second child,

is

> very

> > strong. It will (something is missing here!)"

> > > Could someone explain the purport of this sentence. Does the

> encounter

> > of Rahu or Ketu in the Manduka Gati put an end to children or when

> > during Manduka Gati the house of the next child contains either

Rahu

> or

> > Ketu, then after that child no child may be born.

> > > Could someone clarify this for me please.

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > > David

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get

things

> > done faster.

> > >

> > >

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I had tried posting a msg on this thread which did not get

displayed. Do I need to post it again.

 

Regards,

Anita

vedic astrology, "Sourav" <souravc108

wrote:

>

>

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear David,

>

> Namaskar. Although I do not live in Boston

and

> unable thereby to attend classes directly, I am a student of Sri

Rao.

> Hence, I tried to respond to your query when I happen to come

across it.

>

> The Nodal axis tries to stop further children. It may be that

the nodes

> are crossed over or they may be seated in the house of the children

> itself. The more difficulty is given by Rahu because it is dire

enemy of

> Putra karaka Guru. However, if Guru is strong in Rasi chart and/or

> Saptamsa Chart and in Saptaamsa chart if it is related to the lord

of

> the house (indicating the child in question) or the house itself,

then

> Guru can struggle and win for that child. Further children is not

> possible or remotely possible. This is how the nodes exception is

> understood by me. So suppose, for example, there are two children

> already born to a native and suppose we are talking about third

child

> and we count to a house 'X' for this third child. So while

counting (via

> Manduka Gati) upto the house 'X' a node is encountered in the

path, the

> third child is doubtful, unless the strength of Guru or lord of

house X

> can overturn the nodal restriction. If however, node is in the

house

> 'X' it can cause problem in pregnancy itself but may not deny that

child

> if lord is strong. In such a case where the 'frog' tries to jump

over

> the Nodal axis to reach house 'X', third child possibility is

remote

> (miscarriages etc can happen) and fourth child possibilty is much

much

> less. Now if Ketu is the node in question and if we are talking

about

> first child, Ketu allows one child because of the dictum 'Ketau

kulasya

> unnatim' (Ketu helps in prolonging a person's lineage and hence

permits

> one child). But if it is Rahu, trouble related to pregnancy is

> definitely there. In such cases worship of Varaha Avatara or

Gopala is

> very much necessary for delivery. I have cases in which Rahu caused

> miscarriage twice when further pregnancies were planned that too

during

> Rahu mahadasa. Please also refer to Sanjay-ji's article in his

website

> for illustrations. Please note that the termination of possibility

of

> further children is not a guaranteed rule and strength-related

factors

> or remedial measures can intervene so judgement is, to some extent,

> subjective.

>

> Please let me know if you have further questions or if I was

unclear. I

> will be delighted if Guru-ji clarifies or correct me.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> =================================================================

>

>

> vedic astrology, David Andrews <dprapus@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Sourav,

> >

> > Thank you for your kind response. I have listened in to Shri PVR

> Narasimha Rao ji's MP3 on the subject. Without a shadow of doubt

those

> MP3s are a boon to students of vedic astrology. Unfortunately for

me,

> neither Lesson 13 (the summary) nor the MP3 on the subject does not

> cover the area of my enquiry.

> > I have no doubt that Shri PVR Narasimha Rao's students would

have had

> the benefit of clarifying the doubts with him and would have

benefitted

> from the lessons, hence my request to them. Unfortunately, no one

has

> seen fit to help clarify the points I have raised.

> > Hope, they would spare some time and help clarify the matters

for me.

> > I have Varga Chakra where there is an article by Shri Visti

Larsen on

> Saptamsa. His article does not help me clarify the doubts. Hope

Visti ji

> does see this and help clarify those doubts for me.

> > Thank you once again.

> >

> > David

> >

> >

> > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear David,

> >

> > Namaskar. Nice to know you are using the

> > Notes for learning. When in doubt, please refer to the audio

> associated.

> > There could be a typo. The message is that Rahu and Ketu stops

the

> > Manduka Gati and further children is stopped. If the lord of the

house

> > which shows next child is very strong then only one more child is

> > allowed. Otherwise, there are no more children. In such cases

further

> > attempts can lead to miscarriages especially is unfavourable

dasa is

> > running. In certain cases Ketu allows one child (as Ketu stands

for

> > prolonging the Kula or family), but for further children, Ketu

is not

> > favourable and behaves like Rahu.

> >

> > Please do not substitute the mp3's entirely with the notes. The

notes

> > are only short summaries and may skip some valuable advices

given in

> the

> > mp3 audio.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ===============================================================

> > vedic astrology, David Andrews dprapus@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > I am referring to Shri PVR Narasimha Rao's classes at Boston,

> > particularly Lesson 13 on Saptamsa - Identifying children in a D7

> chart.

> > > In Key Notes, No.9 it states, "If you are jumping Ra, Ke is

> > encountered; it is an end to the children (Manduka (frog) jump is

> > stopped) unless the planet, which supposes to give second child,

is

> very

> > strong. It will (something is missing here!)"

> > > Could someone explain the purport of this sentence. Does the

> encounter

> > of Rahu or Ketu in the Manduka Gati put an end to children or

when

> > during Manduka Gati the house of the next child contains either

Rahu

> or

> > Ketu, then after that child no child may be born.

> > > Could someone clarify this for me please.

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > > David

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get

things

> > done faster.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sourav,

 

What happens when node(say Rahu) becomes the lord of a child. Does it

stop further children after that?

 

Thanks & Regards,

Anita

vedic astrology, "Sourav" <souravc108

wrote:

>

>

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear David,

>

> Namaskar. Although I do not live in Boston

and

> unable thereby to attend classes directly, I am a student of Sri

Rao.

> Hence, I tried to respond to your query when I happen to come

across it.

>

> The Nodal axis tries to stop further children. It may be that the

nodes

> are crossed over or they may be seated in the house of the children

> itself. The more difficulty is given by Rahu because it is dire

enemy of

> Putra karaka Guru. However, if Guru is strong in Rasi chart and/or

> Saptamsa Chart and in Saptaamsa chart if it is related to the lord

of

> the house (indicating the child in question) or the house itself,

then

> Guru can struggle and win for that child. Further children is not

> possible or remotely possible. This is how the nodes exception is

> understood by me. So suppose, for example, there are two children

> already born to a native and suppose we are talking about third

child

> and we count to a house 'X' for this third child. So while counting

(via

> Manduka Gati) upto the house 'X' a node is encountered in the path,

the

> third child is doubtful, unless the strength of Guru or lord of

house X

> can overturn the nodal restriction. If however, node is in the

house

> 'X' it can cause problem in pregnancy itself but may not deny that

child

> if lord is strong. In such a case where the 'frog' tries to jump

over

> the Nodal axis to reach house 'X', third child possibility is remote

> (miscarriages etc can happen) and fourth child possibilty is much

much

> less. Now if Ketu is the node in question and if we are talking

about

> first child, Ketu allows one child because of the dictum 'Ketau

kulasya

> unnatim' (Ketu helps in prolonging a person's lineage and hence

permits

> one child). But if it is Rahu, trouble related to pregnancy is

> definitely there. In such cases worship of Varaha Avatara or

Gopala is

> very much necessary for delivery. I have cases in which Rahu caused

> miscarriage twice when further pregnancies were planned that too

during

> Rahu mahadasa. Please also refer to Sanjay-ji's article in his

website

> for illustrations. Please note that the termination of possibility

of

> further children is not a guaranteed rule and strength-related

factors

> or remedial measures can intervene so judgement is, to some extent,

> subjective.

>

> Please let me know if you have further questions or if I was

unclear. I

> will be delighted if Guru-ji clarifies or correct me.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> =================================================================

>

>

> vedic astrology, David Andrews <dprapus@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Sourav,

> >

> > Thank you for your kind response. I have listened in to Shri PVR

> Narasimha Rao ji's MP3 on the subject. Without a shadow of doubt

those

> MP3s are a boon to students of vedic astrology. Unfortunately for

me,

> neither Lesson 13 (the summary) nor the MP3 on the subject does not

> cover the area of my enquiry.

> > I have no doubt that Shri PVR Narasimha Rao's students would have

had

> the benefit of clarifying the doubts with him and would have

benefitted

> from the lessons, hence my request to them. Unfortunately, no one

has

> seen fit to help clarify the points I have raised.

> > Hope, they would spare some time and help clarify the matters for

me.

> > I have Varga Chakra where there is an article by Shri Visti

Larsen on

> Saptamsa. His article does not help me clarify the doubts. Hope

Visti ji

> does see this and help clarify those doubts for me.

> > Thank you once again.

> >

> > David

> >

> >

> > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear David,

> >

> > Namaskar. Nice to know you are using the

> > Notes for learning. When in doubt, please refer to the audio

> associated.

> > There could be a typo. The message is that Rahu and Ketu stops the

> > Manduka Gati and further children is stopped. If the lord of the

house

> > which shows next child is very strong then only one more child is

> > allowed. Otherwise, there are no more children. In such cases

further

> > attempts can lead to miscarriages especially is unfavourable dasa

is

> > running. In certain cases Ketu allows one child (as Ketu stands

for

> > prolonging the Kula or family), but for further children, Ketu is

not

> > favourable and behaves like Rahu.

> >

> > Please do not substitute the mp3's entirely with the notes. The

notes

> > are only short summaries and may skip some valuable advices given

in

> the

> > mp3 audio.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ===============================================================

> > vedic astrology, David Andrews dprapus@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > I am referring to Shri PVR Narasimha Rao's classes at Boston,

> > particularly Lesson 13 on Saptamsa - Identifying children in a D7

> chart.

> > > In Key Notes, No.9 it states, "If you are jumping Ra, Ke is

> > encountered; it is an end to the children (Manduka (frog) jump is

> > stopped) unless the planet, which supposes to give second child,

is

> very

> > strong. It will (something is missing here!)"

> > > Could someone explain the purport of this sentence. Does the

> encounter

> > of Rahu or Ketu in the Manduka Gati put an end to children or when

> > during Manduka Gati the house of the next child contains either

Rahu

> or

> > Ketu, then after that child no child may be born.

> > > Could someone clarify this for me please.

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > > David

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get

things

> > done faster.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Dhira Krsna ji,

 

Thanks a lot for clarifying and also adding to my knowledge.

 

Regards,

Anita

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote:

>

> Dear Anita,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> >It was lost/abortion.May be due to

> >Mars conjuction(ruling abortions) or because two child lords

together

> >(7H & 9H) and only one can survive.

>

> It is due to the fact that Venus, the 10th lord (and maraka for a

female

> chart) is in Aries, 9th house in d-7 and aspects Rahu in rasi

dristi. The

> same counts for the next child, seen from 9th house.

>

> >1. 5H is rasi chart is aspected(rasi drishti) by only one planet

> >Venus so that would mean only one child (daughter).

> >2. 5L in Rasi Jupiter has traversed only two rasis in Navamsa so

only

> >two conceptions

>

> That looks as a correct analysis.

>

> Ys,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

>

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