Sagittarius as combatant sign/KN Rao's views 1

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||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

This is a long mail and many sub topics are to be addressed here & time

is short at hand so will take them one by one in seperate mails

 

 

 

U said:

 

> Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

generally

> seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

signs.

 

 

 

[sunil]:

 

1) I do not know whether you have read all of Shri Raos books & articles

and of his colleagues. Rao Saheb has written everywhere about the AXIS.

Infact he has been the only astrologer to highlight it so often

 

2) For me it is basics the Ying & Tang or Alpha Omega or plus minus

symbolism - these inherently exist though to prove it verbatim means

another thread & to be honest right now I am still at the stage of

meditating on it to get the subtler meanings.

 

 

 

so according to me it is is not stretching imagination too far, but then

each of us have different Gurus & different paramparas & to each his own

thinking

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

> As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is certainly

a

> combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

ancient

> texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then Sagittarius

> reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what Bhavartha

> Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that definition.

>

> I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

> where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

> please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising

and

> I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

>

> Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

generally

> seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

signs.

>

> In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I may

> call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu combination

and

> the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

Lagna.

>

> You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

being

> war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

>

> There are different times d to signing of the declaration and

> the first says :

>

> "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning

of

> a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are

in

> the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy."

>

> Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

what

> is to be called Morning.

>

> Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

>

> "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days

> of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was

> reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every

> member present except Mr. Dickinson."

>

> In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending on

> what is to be treated as evening.

>

> But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

sunset

> on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

>

> Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

lagna

> for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

> > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

> > appease with truth and reason.

> >

> > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line

as

> > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

> > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

> > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is

lesson

> > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the

real

> > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views

on

> > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

this

> > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

> > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I

didnt

> > venture into that

> >

> > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may

not

> > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have

it

> > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

> > Sagittarius?

> >

> > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

> > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

> > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so,

the

> > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong

since

> > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

shall

> > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart

from

> > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> >

> > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> >

> > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

and

> > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

undistinguished in

> > battle fields.

> >

> > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees

for it

> > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it

a

> > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we

see

> > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

> > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also

due

> > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name

it,

> > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war.

Am

> > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

> > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> >

> > >

> > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

Lagna.

> > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > >

> >

> > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

which is

> > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was ,

a

> > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told

me &

> > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

> > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> >

> > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> >

> > Warm regards

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raja,

> > > >

> > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I

feel

> > if

> > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > predictive

> > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > >

> > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I

shall

> > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> > > >

> > > > The points are

> > > >

> > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > >

> > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > >

> > > > c) USA chart

> > > >

> > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

morning

> > on

> > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > >

> > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> > > >

> > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to

life.

> > so

> > > > I have

> > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is

full

> > of

> > > > justice

> > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

mitigated

> > to

> > > > some

> > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

himself. I

> > > > really

> > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna

so

> > if

> > > > that be

> > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

> > matter.

> > > > also

> > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

> > residence.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > ________\

> > > > ____

> > > > > __________________________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > >

> > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > >

> > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > >

> > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > >

> > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

Now that you are talking about Ying and Tang etc. I can not comment as I

only was talking about Vedic astrology. By the way did Rao sahib say

that the nature of signs is found from the rasis in 3/9 axis? I would be

obliged if you could quote him on this. By Rao sahib, I presume you are

talking about K. N. Rao.

 

As to Parampara and Gurus, I fail to understand how that over rides the

principles of Vedic astrology. Of course you must have your reasons too

think that and must be referring to written down Parampara texts that

might be part of Vedic astrology pantheon.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> This is a long mail and many sub topics are to be addressed here & time

> is short at hand so will take them one by one in seperate mails

>

> U said:

>

> > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> generally

> > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

> signs.

>

> [sunil]:

>

> 1) I do not know whether you have read all of Shri Raos books & articles

> and of his colleagues. Rao Saheb has written everywhere about the AXIS.

> Infact he has been the only astrologer to highlight it so often

>

> 2) For me it is basics the Ying & Tang or Alpha Omega or plus minus

> symbolism - these inherently exist though to prove it verbatim means

> another thread & to be honest right now I am still at the stage of

> meditating on it to get the subtler meanings.

>

> so according to me it is is not stretching imagination too far, but then

> each of us have different Gurus & different paramparas & to each his own

> thinking

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil John

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > As I said, if the thread of ego is over then Sagittarius is certainly

> a

> > combative sign. But not war mongering at least according to the

> ancient

> > texts. It is said to be amenable to reason and entreaties but not

> > succumbing to pressure. If undue pressure is applied then Sagittarius

> > reacts fast and will not succumb to pressure. This is what Bhavartha

> > Ratnakar tells us about Sagittarius. I would go by that definition.

> >

> > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

> > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

> > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising

> and

> > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> >

> > Taking signs in 3/9th to define characteristics of a rasi may be

> > stretching one's imagination a bit too far. Nature of rasis is

> generally

> > seen from the effects of their being the Ascendant signs or Moon rasi

> signs.

> >

> > In Hitler's chart Rahu afflicts Gemini in 9th bhava. So tying Moon

> > Jupiter and Ketu in Sagittarius to his racist feelings may not be

> > amenable to reason. Actually the streak of a bit of madness, if I may

> > call it that, in Hitler would be attributed to Moon Ketu combination

> and

> > the egoistic nature to Mars/Sun occupying Aries and aspecting the

> Lagna.

> >

> > You also see that K.N. Rao attributes Leo to U.S.A and you see it

> being

> > war mongering, so you can draw your own conclusions about whether

> > attributing that to Sagittarius is right. Leo to Sagittarius is a time

> > gap of 6 hr.s at the very least.

> >

> > There are different times d to signing of the declaration and

> > the first says :

> >

> > "July 4Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning

> of

> > a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the

> > Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap

> > Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are

> in

> > the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy."

> >

> > Going by this the Lagna could be either Cancer or Leo depending on

> what

> > is to be called Morning.

> >

> > Again The site dedicated to Thomas Jefferson has this to say:

> >

> > "The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days

> > of July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was

> > reported by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every

> > member present except Mr. Dickinson."

> >

> > In this case the lagna could be either Libra or Scorpio, depending on

> > what is to be treated as evening.

> >

> > But none seems to say it could be Sagittarius. Remember that the

> sunset

> > on that day was around 19.29 hr.s

> >

> > Of course I could be wrong as there are more charts with different

> lagna

> > for U.S.A in circulation than the branches of astrology.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > My reply below as [sunil] so as not to miss a point

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I think we are missing the original thread. As a separate topic, I

> > > agree Sagittarius is a combative sign when pressurized, but easy to

> > > appease with truth and reason.

> > >

> > > [sunil] : The thread had been seperated into a seperate subject line

> as

> > > Sagittarius as combatant sign as that was of my interest, re Ego,

> > > humility & lessons of life I didn't venture into it since thats a

> > > spiritual subject & my personal 'General' view is that spiritual

> > > subjects are better not discussed in astrological forums. What is

> lesson

> > > of Life for common man/religionist/bookworms is not what may be the

> real

> > > Lesson of Life according to spiritualists who have different views

> on

> > > it. This is not the subject of discussion so I do not venture in

> this

> > > thread or any of that nature since it can be easily proved by others

> > > that many Saints/Great Men had Sun in dharma trikona or sun in

> > > exaltation/fiery signs or sun in fiery in dharma trikona. Hence I

> didnt

> > > venture into that

> > >

> > > So there is a distinction in the two. So U. S. being aggressive may

> not

> > > be very much in line with Sagittarius. If the chart of U.S. I have

> it

> > > has Libra rising and Moon in Aquarius. Where did you get the sign

> > > Sagittarius?

> > >

> > > [sunil] KN Rao uses Leo Lagna rising as it was told to him by Yogi

> > > Karve. Many follow Sagi lagna as if I remember well noted astrologer

> > > James Kelleher did some study on it as he was commissioned to do so,

> the

> > > data supplied to me was by a friend who knows him. I can be wrong

> since

> > > I use JHora & there can be wrong chart creation. In next mail I

> shall

> > > post that data and to be honest I havent worked on this chart apart

> from

> > > matching few events as I dislike Mundane astrology

> > >

> > > KNRaos Views on USA & SAGI lagna - from his article

> > >

> > > 4) Yet,some western and "Vedic" astrologers have used the same data

> and

> > > given Dhanu lagna which would make USA a disastrously war mongering

> > > nation while history has recorded US soldiers as most

> undistinguished in

> > > battle fields.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: Interesting note here is that though Rao Saheb disagrees

> for it

> > > being Sagi lagna, but says that if so then Dhanu Lagna would make it

> a

> > > WAR MONGERING NATION . he is attributing Sagi to WAR & I think if we

> see

> > > now (after 5 yrs of his writing this article) USA is no doubt a WAR

> > > MONGERING nation is proved beyond doubt & it was proved earlier also

> due

> > > to the Cold War, World War 2, Vietnam, supporting Pakistan u name

> it,

> > > USA has been there giving its inevitable stamp of Cold or HOT war.

> Am

> > > wondering how did Rao Saheb miss this point, in all wars anywhere on

> > > this earth or even space USA has been there somehow or the other

> > >

> > > >

> > > > In Hitler's chart look at Mars and Sun in Aries aspecting the

> Lagna.

> > > > Sagittarius is not in Dharma Trikona there, if I am not wrong.

> > > >

> > >

> > > [sunil] I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun)

> which is

> > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was ,

> a

> > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told

> me &

> > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not

> > > collected any charts of racists so can't verifyhis words

> > >

> > > Always a pleasure to chat with u

> > >

> > > Warm regards

> > >

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > U have stolen my words:) Bingo u have hit the spot though

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > is trying to highlight another aspect(which is not wrong) but I

> feel

> > > if

> > > > > we focus on the other side too much then we would miss vital

> > > predictive

> > > > > clues & miss the boat which often predictors do.

> > > > >

> > > > > U have been spot on what I did last night on 3 charts which I

> shall

> > > > > demonstrate either late night tonight or tom as I am going out

> > > > >

> > > > > The points are

> > > > >

> > > > > a) Observing Indias chart

> > > > >

> > > > > b) Hitlers chart & the Shakti Yoga in Sagi/Ge axis

> > > > >

> > > > > c) USA chart

> > > > >

> > > > > d) Chinas chart which I am unsure of hence was to ask today

> morning

> > > on

> > > > > the list re its accuracy

> > > > >

> > > > > e) Israels chart where Sagi is obvious & easy to relate with its

> > > > >

> > > > > Fire First Talk Later attitude

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S: I shall reply to ur mail tonight

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Raja Gursahani"

> > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said that Sagittarius type takes a warrior approach to

> life.

> > > so

> > > > > I have

> > > > > > to agree that Sagittarius is a combatant sign however he is

> full

> > > of

> > > > > justice

> > > > > > and love and compassion. so the combatantness of him is

> mitigated

> > > to

> > > > > some

> > > > > > extent compared to other signs. he will not over extend

> himself. I

> > > > > really

> > > > > > love the debate however. America supposedly has a dhanus lagna

> so

> > > if

> > > > > that be

> > > > > > the case America does take a warrior approach to handle all

> > > matter.

> > > > > also

> > > > > > dhanus sign does represent arsenals (weapons) and the kings

> > > residence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > ________\

> > > > > ____

> > > > > > __________________________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja Gursahani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 15690 Orchard Way

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kerman, CA 93630

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (cell) 314.761.3134

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rajagursahani@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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