Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dear Members, Before Visti renders an opinion, a thought or two on this. Dosha and Shrapa do affect the Bhava very seriously. I feel I have direct experience of the same. My birth data for reference to judge this e- mail better: 11th June, 1972; 10:17:16 AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India. The Matri Shrapa caused by Rahu, Shani and Sun (Amavasya Dosha) is in the 10th House. From the regular way of judging are area where the suffering would be experienced, the 6th House emerges. While this is true, the 10th House has also shown tremendous suffering. This is accurately timed from the Rahu Moola Dasha using the default settings in JHora: taking the Lagna, Moon and Sun (as stated by Narasimha to have been advised by Kalyan Varma and Varahamihira) as starting points. Though the 6th House of daily work has been the area where the suffering has been experienced, the 10th House affliction leading to humiliation of an utterly unjustified sort (Rahu; Amavasya) in the attempts to get a job (Shani-Chandra Yoga) has manifested very strongly. Hurt to the self-respect, emotions, happiness have all manifested. See the involvement of the Lagnesh and AK impeding the free emotional evolution, in my estimate. The demise of the father in May, 1975 can be timed using the Moola Dasha, Rashi Chakra and the D-60. The Karaka of the Paka Lagna is strong and the Lagnesh is also the AK, so everything has worked out alright for the intellect (Paka Lagna made strong by the AK, making for Jnana Marga as an attempt to understand the world, and Shani-Chandra Yoga is in the 10th House, so that positive potential should also be seen. Be that as it may, in the Sade-Sati, and till remedies were done for the Amavasya Dosha, the Shrapa in the 10th refused to budge. Then, suddenly work in the highest Court of the land came about along with Jyotish practice. It is only an alleviation of the Amavasya Dosha, the relief from Sade-Sati having passed that work, being seen as a working entity in society, (10th House) have come to pass. The mental suffering from Shadripu and delusion was only in Rahu Vimshottari Mahadasha and though the absence of work justified the area of the suffering being the 6th House, being the stronger of the two owned by Shani, the real mental suffering came from the repeated failure and Karmic, Poorva Janma hurt, humiliation, shock and depraved behaviour from those who were approached to help with the career situation. This is the work of the Rahu Moola Dasha, completely qualified to deliver the curse. Rahu is with Neecha Lagnesh Surya in the D-60 and aspected by Neecha Shani and Ketu from the 9th. This means the AK Sun will give the results of the Moola Dasha as far as past Karma goes. Therefore, in the same huge Rahu Moola Dasha, Jyotish has come, not through the BK Rahu, but through the AK Sun, putting one on the path that was deviated from in Poorva Janma. However, Rahu is unconjoined in Rashi, giving its own results. Saturn and Ketu are in the 9th and protect, ensuring the suffering is basically for cleansing. Rahu has not been propitiated but recourse to Sri Rama, the vishnu Avatar seen from the AK, Lagnesh Sun is being taken through the Rama Taraka Mantra. Another interesting feature is that though Ketu is in the 12th in Rashi and from Karakamsha, Sri Rama has allowed the act which invited the curse to be remedied through His Name as he is 12th Lord from Karakamsha in the Karakamsha Lagna! Perhaps it is because the act was not horrible, shown by exalted Moon in Kendra. I hope I have not rambled on too much but this aspect of Jyotish interests me a lot, apart from everything else of course. Regards, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , "Jyotisa Shisya" <achyutagaddi wrote: > > |om| > Dear Visti, namaste > > While you are on this topic, I request you to explain about *bhava shaapa *and > how to judge if it is serious enough to impact the fortunes of the bhava. > What are the standard remedies for the bhava shaapa? I remember Sarbani has > done some work in this regard but it would be nice to hear a few words from > you on this. > > best regards > Hari > > > > On 8/27/06, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > > > *||Hare Rama Krsna||* > > Dear Students, Namaskar > > Some clarification is needed. Dosha is an affliction due to circumstances > > or sorrow which doens't arise due to evil-deeds, but mistakes and bad > > lifestyle. If you don't brush your teeth, they will become weak and fall out > > - this is dosha or weakness/affliction. A shaapa happens if you knock > > someone elses teeth out - this earns you a shaapa or curse. > > > > A *Pitri Shaapa *happens when the Sun is involved in a curse. I.e. > > afflicted by two or more malefics. This usually causes suffering to the > > father or paternal relatives. The problem will specifically come from the > > house where the Sun is placed. I.e. in the chart of Sri Rama, the Sun is > > afflicted in the tenth house, and Sri Ramas father had to see the sorrow of > > his son being exhiled, and not being there at his death-bed. The issue was > > the kingdom/throne itself which is seen from the tenth house placement of > > the Sun (in simhasana yoga). > > > > A *Pitri Dosha* happens when the ancestors are unhappy, and occurs when > > the nodes (spirits/the dead) are joined Saturn, showing the sorrow of the > > dead afflicting oneself. Should Mars instead join a node, then its the anger > > of the dead (pisacha dosha). This causes yogas involved with these yogas to > > be stuck and/or not arise. The life is a constant effort to overcome a debt > > of sorts. > > The remedy for the former (shani-node yoga) lies in offering water to the > > pitris with the Astakshari-Suryaaditya mantra: Om Ghrini SuryaAaditya|| > > > > Then there is *Pitri badhaka*, where the native earns the anger or sorrow > > of their parents in this life itself, and this causes obstacles to their > > succes. This happens when the Badhaka is associated with the Sun (father) or > > Moon (mother) as these are ALSO associated with Saturn (sorrow) or Mars > > (anger) in rasi or navamsa. > > > > All these relate to ones ancestors, parents and forefathers, and should > > not be confused with the word 'Putra' which means children, or 'Preta' which > > means the dead, or deceased. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen <? subject=Un> > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar When you study curses, you find that the placement of the cursed planet also has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to the bhava where the curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this bhava shows the issue of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an 'allied' curse is on the father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue for the fathers sorrow and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth house). The whole problem was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown for her own son and for this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the throne would still arise, but the suffering to the father would not have arisen. So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i cannot say that the results are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava shaapa is more like a dosha. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ sohamsa [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Anurag Sharma 29 August 2006 11:41 sohamsa Bhava Shrapa Dear Members, Before Visti renders an opinion, a thought or two on this. Dosha and Shrapa do affect the Bhava very seriously. I feel I have direct experience of the same. My birth data for reference to judge this e- mail better: 11th June, 1972; 10:17:16 AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India. The Matri Shrapa caused by Rahu, Shani and Sun (Amavasya Dosha) is in the 10th House. From the regular way of judging are area where the suffering would be experienced, the 6th House emerges. While this is true, the 10th House has also shown tremendous suffering. This is accurately timed from the Rahu Moola Dasha using the default settings in JHora: taking the Lagna, Moon and Sun (as stated by Narasimha to have been advised by Kalyan Varma and Varahamihira) as starting points. Though the 6th House of daily work has been the area where the suffering has been experienced, the 10th House affliction leading to humiliation of an utterly unjustified sort (Rahu; Amavasya) in the attempts to get a job (Shani-Chandra Yoga) has manifested very strongly. Hurt to the self-respect, emotions, happiness have all manifested. See the involvement of the Lagnesh and AK impeding the free emotional evolution, in my estimate. The demise of the father in May, 1975 can be timed using the Moola Dasha, Rashi Chakra and the D-60. The Karaka of the Paka Lagna is strong and the Lagnesh is also the AK, so everything has worked out alright for the intellect (Paka Lagna made strong by the AK, making for Jnana Marga as an attempt to understand the world, and Shani-Chandra Yoga is in the 10th House, so that positive potential should also be seen. Be that as it may, in the Sade-Sati, and till remedies were done for the Amavasya Dosha, the Shrapa in the 10th refused to budge. Then, suddenly work in the highest Court of the land came about along with Jyotish practice. It is only an alleviation of the Amavasya Dosha, the relief from Sade-Sati having passed that work, being seen as a working entity in society, (10th House) have come to pass. The mental suffering from Shadripu and delusion was only in Rahu Vimshottari Mahadasha and though the absence of work justified the area of the suffering being the 6th House, being the stronger of the two owned by Shani, the real mental suffering came from the repeated failure and Karmic, Poorva Janma hurt, humiliation, shock and depraved behaviour from those who were approached to help with the career situation. This is the work of the Rahu Moola Dasha, completely qualified to deliver the curse. Rahu is with Neecha Lagnesh Surya in the D-60 and aspected by Neecha Shani and Ketu from the 9th. This means the AK Sun will give the results of the Moola Dasha as far as past Karma goes. Therefore, in the same huge Rahu Moola Dasha, Jyotish has come, not through the BK Rahu, but through the AK Sun, putting one on the path that was deviated from in Poorva Janma. However, Rahu is unconjoined in Rashi, giving its own results. Saturn and Ketu are in the 9th and protect, ensuring the suffering is basically for cleansing. Rahu has not been propitiated but recourse to Sri Rama, the vishnu Avatar seen from the AK, Lagnesh Sun is being taken through the Rama Taraka Mantra. Another interesting feature is that though Ketu is in the 12th in Rashi and from Karakamsha, Sri Rama has allowed the act which invited the curse to be remedied through His Name as he is 12th Lord from Karakamsha in the Karakamsha Lagna! Perhaps it is because the act was not horrible, shown by exalted Moon in Kendra. I hope I have not rambled on too much but this aspect of Jyotish interests me a lot, apart from everything else of course. Regards, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> ytransformation.blogspot.com @ <%40> , "Jyotisa Shisya" <achyutagaddi wrote: > > |om| > Dear Visti, namaste > > While you are on this topic, I request you to explain about *bhava shaapa *and > how to judge if it is serious enough to impact the fortunes of the bhava. > What are the standard remedies for the bhava shaapa? I remember Sarbani has > done some work in this regard but it would be nice to hear a few words from > you on this. > > best regards > Hari > > > > On 8/27/06, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > > > *||Hare Rama Krsna||* > > Dear Students, Namaskar > > Some clarification is needed. Dosha is an affliction due to circumstances > > or sorrow which doens't arise due to evil-deeds, but mistakes and bad > > lifestyle. If you don't brush your teeth, they will become weak and fall out > > - this is dosha or weakness/affliction. A shaapa happens if you knock > > someone elses teeth out - this earns you a shaapa or curse. > > > > A *Pitri Shaapa *happens when the Sun is involved in a curse. I.e. > > afflicted by two or more malefics. This usually causes suffering to the > > father or paternal relatives. The problem will specifically come from the > > house where the Sun is placed. I.e. in the chart of Sri Rama, the Sun is > > afflicted in the tenth house, and Sri Ramas father had to see the sorrow of > > his son being exhiled, and not being there at his death-bed. The issue was > > the kingdom/throne itself which is seen from the tenth house placement of > > the Sun (in simhasana yoga). > > > > A *Pitri Dosha* happens when the ancestors are unhappy, and occurs when > > the nodes (spirits/the dead) are joined Saturn, showing the sorrow of the > > dead afflicting oneself. Should Mars instead join a node, then its the anger > > of the dead (pisacha dosha). This causes yogas involved with these yogas to > > be stuck and/or not arise. The life is a constant effort to overcome a debt > > of sorts. > > The remedy for the former (shani-node yoga) lies in offering water to the > > pitris with the Astakshari-Suryaaditya mantra: Om Ghrini SuryaAaditya|| > > > > Then there is *Pitri badhaka*, where the native earns the anger or sorrow > > of their parents in this life itself, and this causes obstacles to their > > succes. This happens when the Badhaka is associated with the Sun (father) or > > Moon (mother) as these are ALSO associated with Saturn (sorrow) or Mars > > (anger) in rasi or navamsa. > > > > All these relate to ones ancestors, parents and forefathers, and should > > not be confused with the word 'Putra' which means children, or 'Preta' which > > means the dead, or deceased. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen <- <-%40> ? subject=Un> > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 |om| Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, you both are talking about the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., where the cursed planet is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the circumstances that activate the curse is understood well. I refer to the other situation namely two or more malefics having graha dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th house in both rasi (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under the influence of two malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under the gaze of two malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani and Rahu) The rasi chart will show the circumstances triggering those malefic influences while the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the blows. It is very easy to make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually indicates a widow. Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal itself, it shows that the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, the latter is debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an exalted Sun...being in 7th house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a mother-like person who will introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened and the engagement was broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent in this situation have been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay was very proud that I came out of the situation relatively unscathed entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent Lord Shiva that sits in lagna and guards the native. But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha between Ma and Me remains to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship for now but maybe Devi Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the Chandi patha under a qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me (DK) is in the MKS from AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth relationship at all? best regards Hari On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > *||Hare Rama Krsna||* Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar When you study curses, you find that the placement of the cursed planet also has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to the bhava where the curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this bhava shows the issue of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an 'allied' curse is on the father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue for the fathers sorrow and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth house). The whole problem was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown for her own son and for this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the throne would still arise, but the suffering to the father would not have arisen. So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i cannot say that the results are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava shaapa is more like a dosha. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Hari, Namaskar You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of a curse, then Bhava Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For example: curse on the seventh house (without any planets) causes problems to either get married or causes disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. Is that not what your issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just circumstances. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya 29 August 2006 14:08 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa |om| Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, you both are talking about the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., where the cursed planet is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the circumstances that activate the curse is understood well. I refer to the other situation namely two or more malefics having graha dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th house in both rasi (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under the influence of two malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under the gaze of two malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani and Rahu) The rasi chart will show the circumstances triggering those malefic influences while the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the blows. It is very easy to make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually indicates a widow. Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal itself, it shows that the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, the latter is debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an exalted Sun...being in 7th house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a mother-like person who will introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened and the engagement was broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent in this situation have been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay was very proud that I came out of the situation relatively unscathed entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent Lord Shiva that sits in lagna and guards the native. But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha between Ma and Me remains to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship for now but maybe Devi Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the Chandi patha under a qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me (DK) is in the MKS from AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth relationship at all? best regards Hari On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> com> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar When you study curses, you find that the placement of the cursed planet also has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to the bhava where the curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this bhava shows the issue of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an 'allied' curse is on the father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue for the fathers sorrow and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth house). The whole problem was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown for her own son and for this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the throne would still arise, but the suffering to the father would not have arisen. So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i cannot say that the results are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava shaapa is more like a dosha. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Visti-ji and Sri Hari, Namaskar. May I write a couple of comments on Sri Hari's last msg. ? Please correct me if I am wrong. 1. I wouldn't call it a Bhava curse. I would simply call it an affliction or dosha as Visti-ji put it. Bhavas show areas of life and some kroora grahas aspecting that asea shows some mishap / difficulty. If there is no graha involved in the said house then there is no person affected and gave a verbal curse in the past life. 2. The location of MK in the 7th shows what makes mother most happy. Here it is marriage. She definitely wants you to get married and get settled. If MK is in 5th house she will be most happy getting a grandchild or seeing your reputation rise in life. Two grahas in the 7th house shows that you will come across two significant relationships represented by these two grahas during particular antar dasas. Shani is digvali in the 7th but is in debility in the Navamsa. Navamsa sustains dharma. So Shani when tries to strongly get into your life there is no dharma to support it (each relationships has certain dharma to be performed mutually). I am not sure what is meant by the statement "The rasi chart will show the circumstances triggering those malefic influences while the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the blows". Kindly explain. Best wishes, Sourav =============================================================== , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari, Namaskar > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of a curse, then Bhava > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For example: curse on the seventh > house (without any planets) causes problems to either get married or causes > disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. Is that not what your > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just circumstances. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > |om| > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, you both are talking about > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., where the cursed planet > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the circumstances that > activate the curse is understood well. > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more malefics having graha > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th house in both rasi > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under the influence of two > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under the gaze of two > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani and Rahu) The rasi > chart will show the circumstances triggering those malefic influences while > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the blows. It is very easy to > make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually indicates a widow. > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal itself, it shows that > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, the latter is > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an exalted Sun...being in 7th > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a mother-like person who will > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened and the engagement was > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent in this situation have > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > was very proud that I came out of the situation relatively unscathed > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent Lord Shiva that sits in > lagna and guards the native. > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha between Ma and Me remains > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship for now but maybe Devi > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the Chandi patha under a > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me (DK) is in the MKS from > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth relationship at all? > > best regards > Hari > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti com> > wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > When you study curses, you find that the placement of the cursed planet also > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to the bhava where the > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this bhava shows the issue > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an 'allied' curse is on the > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue for the fathers sorrow > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth house). The whole problem > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown for her own son and for > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the throne would still > arise, but the suffering to the father would not have arisen. > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i cannot say that the results > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava shaapa is more like a dosha. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 |OM GURAVE NAMAH| Dear Visti ji, Sourav and Sri Hari ji, I have been following this thread and I would like to add my queries. Please correct me. Regards Supriti , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Visti-ji and Sri Hari, > > Namaskar. May I > write a couple of comments on Sri Hari's last msg. ? Please correct me > if I am wrong. > > 1. I wouldn't call it a Bhava curse. I would simply call it an > affliction or dosha as Visti-ji put it. Bhavas show areas of life and > some kroora grahas aspecting that asea shows some mishap / difficulty. > If there is no graha involved in the said house then there is no person > affected and gave a verbal curse in the past life. > [supriti] Based on Visti ji's postings, if no graha is involved and the 7th house is under affliction by 2 or more malefics (graha drishti), then can we assume that the person has certain deficiencies in the area of relationships which ends up causing difficulties for him/her. Depending on the chart, it might mean a variety of things like the person is ignoring his partner, not cognisant of a third person's interference, etc, etc. > 2. The location of MK in the 7th shows what makes mother most happy. > Here it is marriage. She definitely wants you to get married and get > settled. If MK is in 5th house she will be most happy getting a > grandchild or seeing your reputation rise in life. Two grahas in the 7th > house shows that you will come across two significant relationships > represented by these two grahas during particular antar dasas. Shani is > digvali in the 7th but is in debility in the Navamsa. Navamsa sustains > dharma. So Shani when tries to strongly get into your life there is no > dharma to support it (each relationships has certain dharma to be > performed mutually). I am not sure what is meant by the statement "The > rasi chart will show the circumstances triggering those malefic > influences while the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > blows". Kindly explain. > [supriti] By the same logic what would it mean to MK, Pik in the dushtanas? > Best wishes, > > Sourav > Thank you. Regards Supriti > =============================================================== > > > > , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of a curse, then > Bhava > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For example: curse on the > seventh > > house (without any planets) causes problems to either get married or > causes > > disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. Is that not what > your > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just circumstances. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, you both are talking > about > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., where the cursed > planet > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the circumstances > that > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more malefics having > graha > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th house in both rasi > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under the influence of > two > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under the gaze of two > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani and Rahu) The > rasi > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those malefic influences > while > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the blows. It is very > easy to > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually indicates a widow. > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal itself, it shows > that > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, the latter is > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an exalted Sun...being > in 7th > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a mother-like person who > will > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened and the engagement > was > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent in this situation > have > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the samsarasagaarasya. > Sanjay > > was very proud that I came out of the situation relatively unscathed > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent Lord Shiva that sits > in > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha between Ma and Me > remains > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship for now but maybe > Devi > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the Chandi patha under a > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me (DK) is in the MKS > from > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth relationship at all? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti@ com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > When you study curses, you find that the placement of the cursed > planet also > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to the bhava where > the > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this bhava shows the > issue > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an 'allied' curse is on > the > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue for the fathers > sorrow > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth house). The whole > problem > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown for her own son and > for > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the throne would still > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not have arisen. > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i cannot say that the > results > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava shaapa is more like a > dosha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 |om| Dear Visti and Sourav, namaste, Yeah, I didnt catch the point but you certainly caught what I was trying to get by asking your views on bhava shaapa! Let's take an example: suppose a rishi curses a person that he wont get married in the next life, is that a curse on the particular bhava or not? As you put it, do the circumstances line up in such a way that the rishi's curse gets fulfilled? On the other hand, if a person incurs the curse of a spouse, then that shows up as the patni shaapa in the chart, is it not? Sourav, I basically mean that rasi chart shows the physical circumstances while the navamsa will show the finer circumstances. In my case, Rahu is the 2nd lord in navamsa and Kumbha navamsa Narayana Dasa is currently on. A spider seems to be running up and down the room when I am typing this...hmm, very interesting. best regards Hari On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > > *||Hare Rama Krsna||* > Dear Hari, Namaskar > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of a curse, then Bhava > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For example: curse on the seventh > house (without any planets) causes problems to either get married or causes > disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. Is that not what your > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just circumstances. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > *** > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti namaskar, I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma workshop on varga chakras). whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava shapa" and "gruha shapa". --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari, Namaskar > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of > a curse, then Bhava > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > example: curse on the seventh > house (without any planets) causes problems to > either get married or causes > disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. > Is that not what your > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > circumstances. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > > |om| > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > you both are talking about > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., > where the cursed planet > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the > circumstances that > activate the curse is understood well. > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > malefics having graha > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th > house in both rasi > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under > the influence of two > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under > the gaze of two > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani > and Rahu) The rasi > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > malefic influences while > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > blows. It is very easy to > make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually > indicates a widow. > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal > itself, it shows that > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, > the latter is > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > exalted Sun...being in 7th > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > mother-like person who will > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > and the engagement was > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent > in this situation have > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > was very proud that I came out of the situation > relatively unscathed > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > Lord Shiva that sits in > lagna and guards the native. > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > between Ma and Me remains > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > for now but maybe Devi > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > Chandi patha under a > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me > (DK) is in the MKS from > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > relationship at all? > > best regards > Hari > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> com> > wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > When you study curses, you find that the placement > of the cursed planet also > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to > the bhava where the > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this > bhava shows the issue > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > 'allied' curse is on the > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue > for the fathers sorrow > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > house). The whole problem > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > for her own son and for > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the > throne would still > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > have arisen. > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > cannot say that the results > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > shaapa is more like a dosha. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narender, Namaskar When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a person is cursing you. When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava Shaapa, but really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a graha shaapa. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra 01 September 2006 11:41 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti namaskar, I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma workshop on varga chakras). whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava shapa" and "gruha shapa". --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari, Namaskar > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of > a curse, then Bhava > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > example: curse on the seventh > house (without any planets) causes problems to > either get married or causes > disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. > Is that not what your > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > circumstances. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > 29 August 2006 14:08 > @ <%40> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > > |om| > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > you both are talking about > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., > where the cursed planet > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the > circumstances that > activate the curse is understood well. > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > malefics having graha > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th > house in both rasi > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under > the influence of two > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under > the gaze of two > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani > and Rahu) The rasi > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > malefic influences while > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > blows. It is very easy to > make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually > indicates a widow. > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal > itself, it shows that > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, > the latter is > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > exalted Sun...being in 7th > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > mother-like person who will > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > and the engagement was > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent > in this situation have > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > was very proud that I came out of the situation > relatively unscathed > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > Lord Shiva that sits in > lagna and guards the native. > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > between Ma and Me remains > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > for now but maybe Devi > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > Chandi patha under a > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me > (DK) is in the MKS from > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > relationship at all? > > best regards > Hari > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > When you study curses, you find that the placement > of the cursed planet also > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to > the bhava where the > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this > bhava shows the issue > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > 'allied' curse is on the > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue > for the fathers sorrow > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > house). The whole problem > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > for her own son and for > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the > throne would still > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > have arisen. > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > cannot say that the results > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > shaapa is more like a dosha. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* Dear Visti, Nameste. Recently i read difference between curse and shrapa.Now Graha shaapa and Bhava shrap is under discussion.I recall and refer PDF describing Curses and Evils supplied ( one page )with Workshop in 2003 or so. This has confused me a a lot.Why? Q.V. Before i was exposed to teachings of SJC , i knew only that if house , house lord and karka are together afflicted and or weak some serious trouble is in seed form and evil results may fructify in related adverse dasa bhukti for matter s o related. Sh Jagannath Bhasin a old writer taught , if you see on a house and on its lord combined dristi of Saturn mars and / or Rahu be alert and sure some serious trouble is going to be experienced in life by native. Now with so many terms of Curse shraap and evils , your illumination will be a welcome addition if thread bare it is clarified that various combinations means what. What i mean is 1 Any house and its lord are in yuti and dristi of Sat/mars/Node either two ar all. 2 Any house and its lord along with some Karka out of Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all of them.. 3 Any set of House its lord but a karaka representing other matter out of Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all of them.Here i mean House and its lord are not having afflicted planet as its Karka. 4 What if in above AK is involved and not involved. 5 Why Parashar discussed shrappa only causing lack or difficulty in getting children and did not hinted directly the way we define wrath of various relations and timing with Mool dasa in his classic. Please reply only the part you feel happy about. Thanking in anticipation. || May all people be happy || OM TAT SAT R.C.Srivastava . swami_rcs mob 9412268768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com - Visti Larsen Friday, September 01, 2006 4:48 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narender, Namaskar When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a person is cursing you. When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava Shaapa, but really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a graha shaapa. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra 01 September 2006 11:41 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti namaskar, I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma workshop on varga chakras). whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava shapa" and "gruha shapa". --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari, Namaskar > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of > a curse, then Bhava > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > example: curse on the seventh > house (without any planets) causes problems to > either get married or causes > disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. > Is that not what your > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > circumstances. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > > |om| > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > you both are talking about > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., > where the cursed planet > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the > circumstances that > activate the curse is understood well. > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > malefics having graha > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th > house in both rasi > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under > the influence of two > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under > the gaze of two > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani > and Rahu) The rasi > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > malefic influences while > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > blows. It is very easy to > make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually > indicates a widow. > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal > itself, it shows that > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, > the latter is > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > exalted Sun...being in 7th > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > mother-like person who will > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > and the engagement was > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent > in this situation have > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > was very proud that I came out of the situation > relatively unscathed > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > Lord Shiva that sits in > lagna and guards the native. > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > between Ma and Me remains > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > for now but maybe Devi > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > Chandi patha under a > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me > (DK) is in the MKS from > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > relationship at all? > > best regards > Hari > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> com> > wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > When you study curses, you find that the placement > of the cursed planet also > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to > the bhava where the > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this > bhava shows the issue > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > 'allied' curse is on the > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue > for the fathers sorrow > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > house). The whole problem > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > for her own son and for > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the > throne would still > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > have arisen. > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > cannot say that the results > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > shaapa is more like a dosha. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 || Hare Raama Krsna || Dear Sri Srivastava-ji, namaskar. May I write my understanding on this issue. Difficulty/distress in any area of life (house in Rasi chart) comes due to the fact that one has not done one's dharma in that area of life in the past or one has tried to do dharma only half-heartedly thereby commiting mistakes due to carelessness. 9th house is dharma and 9th house is also protection for the same reason. Hence affliction of a house by one or two or more than two kroora grahas to an empty house shows that one will have trouble in that house. However, curse/shraapa is due to a deliberate and concious act of redirecting an ill done to a sensate being. Hence a graha needs to be there in that afflicted house and represents a person or a devata or a lower being. graha indicates a being with intelligence and life. The curse on a graha (by affliction) is not directly transferred to the graha's lordship. Howerver the graha under malefic influence is "weak" and such weakness of the lord affects the house also. So I consider this as an indirect effect of the concious curse. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami_rcs wrote: > > > *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* > Dear Visti, > Nameste. > Recently i read difference between curse and shrapa.Now Graha shaapa and Bhava shrap is under discussion.I recall and refer PDF describing Curses and Evils supplied ( one page )with Workshop in 2003 or so. > This has confused me a a lot.Why? Q.V. > Before i was exposed to teachings of SJC , i knew only that if house , house lord and karka are together afflicted and or weak some serious trouble is in seed form and evil results may fructify in related adverse dasa bhukti for matter s o related. > > Sh Jagannath Bhasin a old writer taught , if you see on a house and on its lord combined dristi of Saturn mars and / or Rahu be alert and sure some serious trouble is going to be experienced in life by native. > Now with so many terms of Curse shraap and evils , your illumination will be a welcome addition if thread bare it is clarified that various combinations means what. > What i mean is > 1 Any house and its lord are in yuti and dristi of Sat/mars/Node either two ar all. > 2 Any house and its lord along with some Karka out of Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all of them. > 3 Any set of House its lord but a karaka representing other matter out of Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all of them.Here i mean House and its lord are not having afflicted planet as its Karka. > 4 What if in above AK is involved and not involved. > 5 Why Parashar discussed shrappa only causing lack or difficulty in getting children and did not hinted directly the way we define wrath of various relations and timing with Mool dasa in his classic. > Please reply only the part you feel happy about. > Thanking in anticipation. > > > || May all people be happy || > OM TAT SAT > R.C.Srivastava . > swami_rcs > mob 9412268768 > http://www.cosmograce.com > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com > - > Visti Larsen > > Friday, September 01, 2006 4:48 PM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a person is cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava Shaapa, but really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > > > ------\ ------ > [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of > > a curse, then Bhava > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > example: curse on the seventh > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > either get married or causes > > disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. > > Is that not what your > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > circumstances. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > you both are talking about > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., > > where the cursed planet > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the > > circumstances that > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > malefics having graha > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th > > house in both rasi > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under > > the influence of two > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under > > the gaze of two > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani > > and Rahu) The rasi > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > malefic influences while > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > blows. It is very easy to > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually > > indicates a widow. > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal > > itself, it shows that > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, > > the latter is > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > mother-like person who will > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > and the engagement was > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent > > in this situation have > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > relatively unscathed > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > between Ma and Me remains > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > for now but maybe Devi > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > Chandi patha under a > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > relationship at all? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > of the cursed planet also > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to > > the bhava where the > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this > > bhava shows the issue > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > 'allied' curse is on the > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue > > for the fathers sorrow > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > house). The whole problem > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > for her own son and for > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the > > throne would still > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > have arisen. > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > cannot say that the results > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > http://in.answers./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Dear Saurav ji, While assessing bhava shrapa, do we need to consider rasi drishti as well or, it will be evaluated only by bhava drishti / positioning of afflicting planets. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > souravc108 > Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:38:40 -0000 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > Dear Sri Srivastava-ji, > > namaskar. May I write my > understanding on this issue. Difficulty/distress in any area of life > (house in Rasi chart) comes due to the fact that one has not done one's > dharma in that area of life in the past or one has tried to do dharma > only half-heartedly thereby commiting mistakes due to carelessness. 9th > house is dharma and 9th house is also protection for the same reason. > Hence affliction of a house by one or two or more than two kroora grahas > to an empty house shows that one will have trouble in that house. > > However, curse/shraapa is due to a deliberate and concious act of > redirecting an ill done to a sensate being. Hence a graha needs to be > there in that afflicted house and represents a person or a devata or a > lower being. graha indicates a being with intelligence and life. > > The curse on a graha (by affliction) is not directly transferred to the > graha's lordship. Howerver the graha under malefic influence is "weak" > and such weakness of the lord affects the house also. So I consider this > as an indirect effect of the concious curse. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > > , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami_rcs > wrote: >> >> >> *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* >> Dear Visti, >> Nameste. >> Recently i read difference between curse and shrapa.Now Graha shaapa > and Bhava shrap is under discussion.I recall and refer PDF describing > Curses and Evils supplied ( one page )with Workshop in 2003 or so. >> This has confused me a a lot.Why? Q.V. >> Before i was exposed to teachings of SJC , i knew only that if house , > house lord and karka are together afflicted and or weak some serious > trouble is in seed form and evil results may fructify in related adverse > dasa bhukti for matter s o related. >> >> Sh Jagannath Bhasin a old writer taught , if you see on a house and on > its lord combined dristi of Saturn mars and / or Rahu be alert and sure > some serious trouble is going to be experienced in life by native. >> Now with so many terms of Curse shraap and evils , your illumination > will be a welcome addition if thread bare it is clarified that various > combinations means what. >> What i mean is >> 1 Any house and its lord are in yuti and dristi of Sat/mars/Node > either two ar all. >> 2 Any house and its lord along with some Karka out of Eight planets( > excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao > all of them. >> 3 Any set of House its lord but a karaka representing other matter out > of Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of > Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all of them.Here i mean House and its lord > are not having afflicted planet as its Karka. >> 4 What if in above AK is involved and not involved. >> 5 Why Parashar discussed shrappa only causing lack or difficulty in > getting children and did not hinted directly the way we define wrath of > various relations and timing with Mool dasa in his classic. >> Please reply only the part you feel happy about. >> Thanking in anticipation. >> >> >> || May all people be happy || >> OM TAT SAT >> R.C.Srivastava . >> swami_rcs >> mob 9412268768 >> http://www.cosmograce.com >> http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com >> - >> Visti Larsen >> >> Friday, September 01, 2006 4:48 PM >> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa >> >> >> >> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> Dear Narender, Namaskar >> When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a > person is cursing you. >> When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava > Shaapa, but really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a > graha shaapa. >> Best wishes, >> *** >> Visti Larsen >> For services and articles visit: >> http://srigaruda.com >> *** >> >> >> >> >> > ------\ > ------ >> > [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra >> 01 September 2006 11:41 >> >> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa >> >> >> OM GURAVE NAMAH >> Dear Visti namaskar, >> >> I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma >> workshop on varga chakras). >> >> whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava >> shapa" and "gruha shapa". >> >> >> --- Visti Larsen visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: >> >>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>> Dear Hari, Namaskar >>> You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of >>> a curse, then Bhava >>> Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For >>> example: curse on the seventh >>> house (without any planets) causes problems to >>> either get married or causes >>> disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. >>> Is that not what your >>> issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just >>> circumstances. >>> Best wishes, >>> *** >>> Visti Larsen >>> For services and articles visit: >>> <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com >>> *** >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> >>> [] On >>> Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya >>> 29 August 2006 14:08 >>> >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava >>> Shrapa >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> |om| >>> Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste >>> >>> Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, >>> you both are talking about >>> the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., >>> where the cursed planet >>> is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the >>> circumstances that >>> activate the curse is understood well. >>> >>> I refer to the other situation namely two or more >>> malefics having graha >>> dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th >>> house in both rasi >>> (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under >>> the influence of two >>> malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under >>> the gaze of two >>> malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani >>> and Rahu) The rasi >>> chart will show the circumstances triggering those >>> malefic influences while >>> the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the >>> blows. It is very easy to >>> make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually >>> indicates a widow. >>> Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal >>> itself, it shows that >>> the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, >>> the latter is >>> debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an >>> exalted Sun...being in 7th >>> house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a >>> mother-like person who will >>> introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened >>> and the engagement was >>> broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent >>> in this situation have >>> been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the >>> samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay >>> was very proud that I came out of the situation >>> relatively unscathed >>> entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent >>> Lord Shiva that sits in >>> lagna and guards the native. >>> >>> But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha >>> between Ma and Me remains >>> to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship >>> for now but maybe Devi >>> Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the >>> Chandi patha under a >>> qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me >>> (DK) is in the MKS from >>> AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth >>> relationship at all? >>> >>> best regards >>> Hari >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) >>> <visti com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >>> Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar >>> When you study curses, you find that the placement >>> of the cursed planet also >>> has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to >>> the bhava where the >>> curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this >>> bhava shows the issue >>> of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an >>> 'allied' curse is on the >>> father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue >>> for the fathers sorrow >>> and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth >>> house). The whole problem >>> was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown >>> for her own son and for >>> this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. >>> Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the >>> throne would still >>> arise, but the suffering to the father would not >>> have arisen. >>> So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i >>> cannot say that the results >>> are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava >>> shaapa is more like a dosha. >>> Best wishes, >>> *** >>> Visti Larsen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ________ >> India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new >> http://in.answers./ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Sri Prafulla-ji, Namaskar. I reserve the word 'curse' for afflicted grahas. So the terms I prefer are graha-shrapa and bhava-dosha.Forafflicted empty houses, I will consider it as a dosha or a malefic intervention. Yes, both graha drishti and rasi drishti can be considered here and specifically indicates a permanent/lifelong influence. Grahadrishti indicates desire and is temporary or dasa-based. Even when in case of Brahmin etc curses (graha-shrapa) Sanjay-ji has taught (I think in Atri Lecture as a passing remark) that if the malefic graha causing affliction on a saumya graha is conjoining or also aspecting the saumya graha via rasi drishti, the result of a curse could be some permanent damage (after the curse is triggered and has fructified). If there is no rasi drishti, only graha drishti then the troubles may be reversed later in life i.e. the damage felt is not permanent. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Saurav ji, > > While assessing bhava shrapa, do we need to consider rasi drishti as well or, it will be evaluated only by bhava drishti / positioning of afflicting planets. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > > > > > souravc108 > > Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:38:40 -0000 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > Dear Sri Srivastava-ji, > > > > namaskar. May I write my > > understanding on this issue. Difficulty/distress in any area of life > > (house in Rasi chart) comes due to the fact that one has not done one's > > dharma in that area of life in the past or one has tried to do dharma > > only half-heartedly thereby commiting mistakes due to carelessness. 9th > > house is dharma and 9th house is also protection for the same reason. > > Hence affliction of a house by one or two or more than two kroora grahas > > to an empty house shows that one will have trouble in that house. > > > > However, curse/shraapa is due to a deliberate and concious act of > > redirecting an ill done to a sensate being. Hence a graha needs to be > > there in that afflicted house and represents a person or a devata or a > > lower being. graha indicates a being with intelligence and life. > > > > The curse on a graha (by affliction) is not directly transferred to the > > graha's lordship. Howerver the graha under malefic influence is "weak" > > and such weakness of the lord affects the house also. So I consider this > > as an indirect effect of the concious curse. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > , "R.C.Srivastava" swami_rcs@ > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* > >> Dear Visti, > >> Nameste. > >> Recently i read difference between curse and shrapa.Now Graha shaapa > > and Bhava shrap is under discussion.I recall and refer PDF describing > > Curses and Evils supplied ( one page )with Workshop in 2003 or so. > >> This has confused me a a lot.Why? Q.V. > >> Before i was exposed to teachings of SJC , i knew only that if house , > > house lord and karka are together afflicted and or weak some serious > > trouble is in seed form and evil results may fructify in related adverse > > dasa bhukti for matter s o related. > >> > >> Sh Jagannath Bhasin a old writer taught , if you see on a house and on > > its lord combined dristi of Saturn mars and / or Rahu be alert and sure > > some serious trouble is going to be experienced in life by native. > >> Now with so many terms of Curse shraap and evils , your illumination > > will be a welcome addition if thread bare it is clarified that various > > combinations means what. > >> What i mean is > >> 1 Any house and its lord are in yuti and dristi of Sat/mars/Node > > either two ar all. > >> 2 Any house and its lord along with some Karka out of Eight planets( > > excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao > > all of them. > >> 3 Any set of House its lord but a karaka representing other matter out > > of Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of > > Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all of them.Here i mean House and its lord > > are not having afflicted planet as its Karka. > >> 4 What if in above AK is involved and not involved. > >> 5 Why Parashar discussed shrappa only causing lack or difficulty in > > getting children and did not hinted directly the way we define wrath of > > various relations and timing with Mool dasa in his classic. > >> Please reply only the part you feel happy about. > >> Thanking in anticipation. > >> > >> > >> || May all people be happy || > >> OM TAT SAT > >> R.C.Srivastava . > >> swami_rcs@ > >> mob 9412268768 > >> http://www.cosmograce.com > >> http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com > >> - > >> Visti Larsen > >> > >> Friday, September 01, 2006 4:48 PM > >> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > >> > >> > >> > >> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >> Dear Narender, Namaskar > >> When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a > > person is cursing you. > >> When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava > > Shaapa, but really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a > > graha shaapa. > >> Best wishes, > >> *** > >> Visti Larsen > >> For services and articles visit: > >> http://srigaruda.com > >> *** > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------\ \ > > ------ > >> > > [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra > >> 01 September 2006 11:41 > >> > >> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > >> > >> > >> OM GURAVE NAMAH > >> Dear Visti namaskar, > >> > >> I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > >> workshop on varga chakras). > >> > >> whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava > >> shapa" and "gruha shapa". > >> > >> > >> --- Visti Larsen visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > >> > >>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>> Dear Hari, Namaskar > >>> You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of > >>> a curse, then Bhava > >>> Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > >>> example: curse on the seventh > >>> house (without any planets) causes problems to > >>> either get married or causes > >>> disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. > >>> Is that not what your > >>> issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > >>> circumstances. > >>> Best wishes, > >>> *** > >>> Visti Larsen > >>> For services and articles visit: > >>> <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > >>> *** > >>> > >>> > >>> _____ > >>> > >>> > >>> [] On > >>> Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > >>> 29 August 2006 14:08 > >>> > >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > >>> Shrapa > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> |om| > >>> Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > >>> > >>> Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > >>> you both are talking about > >>> the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., > >>> where the cursed planet > >>> is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the > >>> circumstances that > >>> activate the curse is understood well. > >>> > >>> I refer to the other situation namely two or more > >>> malefics having graha > >>> dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th > >>> house in both rasi > >>> (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under > >>> the influence of two > >>> malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under > >>> the gaze of two > >>> malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani > >>> and Rahu) The rasi > >>> chart will show the circumstances triggering those > >>> malefic influences while > >>> the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > >>> blows. It is very easy to > >>> make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually > >>> indicates a widow. > >>> Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal > >>> itself, it shows that > >>> the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, > >>> the latter is > >>> debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > >>> exalted Sun...being in 7th > >>> house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > >>> mother-like person who will > >>> introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > >>> and the engagement was > >>> broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent > >>> in this situation have > >>> been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > >>> samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > >>> was very proud that I came out of the situation > >>> relatively unscathed > >>> entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > >>> Lord Shiva that sits in > >>> lagna and guards the native. > >>> > >>> But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > >>> between Ma and Me remains > >>> to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > >>> for now but maybe Devi > >>> Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > >>> Chandi patha under a > >>> qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me > >>> (DK) is in the MKS from > >>> AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > >>> relationship at all? > >>> > >>> best regards > >>> Hari > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > >>> <visti@ com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >>> Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > >>> When you study curses, you find that the placement > >>> of the cursed planet also > >>> has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to > >>> the bhava where the > >>> curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this > >>> bhava shows the issue > >>> of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > >>> 'allied' curse is on the > >>> father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue > >>> for the fathers sorrow > >>> and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > >>> house). The whole problem > >>> was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > >>> for her own son and for > >>> this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > >>> Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the > >>> throne would still > >>> arise, but the suffering to the father would not > >>> have arisen. > >>> So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > >>> cannot say that the results > >>> are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > >>> shaapa is more like a dosha. > >>> Best wishes, > >>> *** > >>> Visti Larsen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ________ > >> India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > >> http://in.answers./ > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Srivastava, Namaskar Yes, Bhasin was a very sincere writer. I like his translation of Sarvartha Chintamani. Reading your questions i find that there is a lack of definition between Bhava, Bhavesha and Karaka. Please go through Jaimini-SJC discussions of 25th Feb, 4th march. You can find them here: http://www.srigaruda.com/jaimini1.htm As for Parasaras definition. When i enquired about the same, i was taught that the Fifth house is one of the more important bhavas in a chart, and thus curses involving it really shape this life itself, and most clearly the offspring. He has given the definition and its upto us to understand the full usage of the dictums. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of R.C.Srivastava 01 September 2006 14:25 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* Dear Visti, Nameste. Recently i read difference between curse and shrapa.Now Graha shaapa and Bhava shrap is under discussion.I recall and refer PDF describing Curses and Evils supplied ( one page )with Workshop in 2003 or so. This has confused me a a lot.Why? Q.V. Before i was exposed to teachings of SJC , i knew only that if house , house lord and karka are together afflicted and or weak some serious trouble is in seed form and evil results may fructify in related adverse dasa bhukti for matter s o related. Sh Jagannath Bhasin a old writer taught , if you see on a house and on its lord combined dristi of Saturn mars and / or Rahu be alert and sure some serious trouble is going to be experienced in life by native. Now with so many terms of Curse shraap and evils , your illumination will be a welcome addition if thread bare it is clarified that various combinations means what. What i mean is 1 Any house and its lord are in yuti and dristi of Sat/mars/Node either two ar all. 2 Any house and its lord along with some Karka out of Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all of them. 3 Any set of House its lord but a karaka representing other matter out of Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all of them.Here i mean House and its lord are not having afflicted planet as its Karka. 4 What if in above AK is involved and not involved. 5 Why Parashar discussed shrappa only causing lack or difficulty in getting children and did not hinted directly the way we define wrath of various relations and timing with Mool dasa in his classic. Please reply only the part you feel happy about. Thanking in anticipation. || May all people be happy || OM TAT SAT R.C.Srivastava . swami_rcs (AT) (DOT) <swami_rcs > com mob 9412268768 http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmograce.com> ce.com http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> ce.blogspot.com - Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> @ <> Friday, September 01, 2006 4:48 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narender, Namaskar When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a person is cursing you. When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava Shaapa, but really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a graha shaapa. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra 01 September 2006 11:41 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti namaskar, I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma workshop on varga chakras). whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava shapa" and "gruha shapa". --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari, Namaskar > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of > a curse, then Bhava > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > example: curse on the seventh > house (without any planets) causes problems to > either get married or causes > disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. > Is that not what your > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > circumstances. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > 29 August 2006 14:08 > @ <%40> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > > |om| > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > you both are talking about > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., > where the cursed planet > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the > circumstances that > activate the curse is understood well. > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > malefics having graha > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th > house in both rasi > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under > the influence of two > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under > the gaze of two > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani > and Rahu) The rasi > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > malefic influences while > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > blows. It is very easy to > make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually > indicates a widow. > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal > itself, it shows that > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, > the latter is > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > exalted Sun...being in 7th > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > mother-like person who will > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > and the engagement was > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent > in this situation have > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > was very proud that I came out of the situation > relatively unscathed > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > Lord Shiva that sits in > lagna and guards the native. > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > between Ma and Me remains > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > for now but maybe Devi > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > Chandi patha under a > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me > (DK) is in the MKS from > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > relationship at all? > > best regards > Hari > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > When you study curses, you find that the placement > of the cursed planet also > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to > the bhava where the > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this > bhava shows the issue > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > 'allied' curse is on the > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue > for the fathers sorrow > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > house). The whole problem > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > for her own son and for > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the > throne would still > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > have arisen. > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > cannot say that the results > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > shaapa is more like a dosha. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Dear Visti ji Namaskar I am Sorry to jump into the thread. In my discussions with lots of good downtown astrologers, I observed that - they give lots of importance to 8th house for any curse to operate. In their view, 8th house defines the "pinda" - the ancestoral origin of the native and according to them, unless that part is afflicted - the curse may not operate. As per them, all past life bad karmas can trigger, only when one is not protected / blessed by his own "pinda" for this janma. If native is well protected then, such curses may be postponed to next life for the native, their blessings can even override such curses. I will try to get more details on this theory (from them) and will post the same. I do not have any jyotish experience on operative part of curses, hence have just shared - what I observed in my interactions. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com > Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:34:58 +0200 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar > Yes, Bhasin was a very sincere writer. I like his translation of > Sarvartha > Chintamani. > Reading your questions i find that there is a lack of definition between > Bhava, Bhavesha and Karaka. Please go through Jaimini-SJC discussions of > 25th Feb, 4th march. You can find them here: > http://www.srigaruda.com/jaimini1.htm > As for Parasaras definition. When i enquired about the same, i was taught > that the Fifth house is one of the more important bhavas in a chart, and > thus curses involving it really shape this life itself, and most clearly > the > offspring. He has given the definition and its upto us to understand the > full usage of the dictums. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > [] > On > Behalf Of R.C.Srivastava > 01 September 2006 14:25 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* > Dear Visti, > Nameste. > Recently i read difference between curse and shrapa.Now Graha shaapa and > Bhava shrap is under discussion.I recall and refer PDF describing Curses > and > Evils supplied ( one page )with Workshop in 2003 or so. > This has confused me a a lot.Why? Q.V. > Before i was exposed to teachings of SJC , i knew only that if house , > house lord and karka are together afflicted and or weak some serious > trouble is in seed form and evil results may fructify in related adverse > dasa bhukti for matter s o related. > > Sh Jagannath Bhasin a old writer taught , if you see on a house and on > its > lord combined dristi of Saturn mars and / or Rahu be alert and sure > some > serious trouble is going to be experienced in life by native. > Now with so many terms of Curse shraap and evils , your illumination > will > be a welcome addition if thread bare it is clarified that various > combinations means what. > What i mean is > 1 Any house and its lord are in yuti and dristi of Sat/mars/Node either > two > ar all. > 2 Any house and its lord along with some Karka out of Eight planets( > excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all > of > them. > 3 Any set of House its lord but a karaka representing other matter out > of > Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node > either two ao all of them.Here i mean House and its lord are not having > afflicted planet as its Karka. > 4 What if in above AK is involved and not involved. > 5 Why Parashar discussed shrappa only causing lack or difficulty in > getting > children and did not hinted directly the way we define wrath of various > relations and timing with Mool dasa in his classic. > Please reply only the part you feel happy about. > Thanking in anticipation. > > > || May all people be happy || > OM TAT SAT > R.C.Srivastava . > swami_rcs (AT) (DOT) <swami_rcs > com > mob 9412268768 > http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmograce.com> ce.com > http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> ce.blogspot.com > > - > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > @ <> > Friday, September 01, 2006 4:48 PM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a person > is > cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava Shaapa, > but > really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > _____ > > [] > On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > >> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> Dear Hari, Namaskar >> You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of >> a curse, then Bhava >> Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For >> example: curse on the seventh >> house (without any planets) causes problems to >> either get married or causes >> disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. >> Is that not what your >> issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just >> circumstances. >> Best wishes, >> *** >> Visti Larsen >> For services and articles visit: >> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com >> *** >> >> >> _____ >> >> @ <%40> > >> [@ <%40> > ] On >> Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya >> 29 August 2006 14:08 >> @ <%40> >> >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava >> Shrapa >> >> >> >> >> |om| >> Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste >> >> Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, >> you both are talking about >> the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., >> where the cursed planet >> is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the >> circumstances that >> activate the curse is understood well. >> >> I refer to the other situation namely two or more >> malefics having graha >> dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th >> house in both rasi >> (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under >> the influence of two >> malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under >> the gaze of two >> malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani >> and Rahu) The rasi >> chart will show the circumstances triggering those >> malefic influences while >> the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the >> blows. It is very easy to >> make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually >> indicates a widow. >> Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal >> itself, it shows that >> the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, >> the latter is >> debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an >> exalted Sun...being in 7th >> house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a >> mother-like person who will >> introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened >> and the engagement was >> broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent >> in this situation have >> been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the >> samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay >> was very proud that I came out of the situation >> relatively unscathed >> entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent >> Lord Shiva that sits in >> lagna and guards the native. >> >> But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha >> between Ma and Me remains >> to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship >> for now but maybe Devi >> Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the >> Chandi patha under a >> qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me >> (DK) is in the MKS from >> AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth >> relationship at all? >> >> best regards >> Hari >> >> >> >> >> On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) >> <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar >> When you study curses, you find that the placement >> of the cursed planet also >> has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to >> the bhava where the >> curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this >> bhava shows the issue >> of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an >> 'allied' curse is on the >> father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue >> for the fathers sorrow >> and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth >> house). The whole problem >> was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown >> for her own son and for >> this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. >> Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the >> throne would still >> arise, but the suffering to the father would not >> have arisen. >> So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i >> cannot say that the results >> are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava >> shaapa is more like a dosha. >> Best wishes, >> *** >> Visti Larsen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________ > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prafull, Namaskar This is also what we are taught in the tradition. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Prafulla Gang 02 September 2006 13:15 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa Dear Visti ji Namaskar I am Sorry to jump into the thread. In my discussions with lots of good downtown astrologers, I observed that - they give lots of importance to 8th house for any curse to operate. In their view, 8th house defines the "pinda" - the ancestoral origin of the native and according to them, unless that part is afflicted - the curse may not operate. As per them, all past life bad karmas can trigger, only when one is not protected / blessed by his own "pinda" for this janma. If native is well protected then, such curses may be postponed to next life for the native, their blessings can even override such curses. I will try to get more details on this theory (from them) and will post the same. I do not have any jyotish experience on operative part of curses, hence have just shared - what I observed in my interactions. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:34:58 +0200 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar > Yes, Bhasin was a very sincere writer. I like his translation of > Sarvartha > Chintamani. > Reading your questions i find that there is a lack of definition between > Bhava, Bhavesha and Karaka. Please go through Jaimini-SJC discussions of > 25th Feb, 4th march. You can find them here: > http://www.srigarud <http://www.srigaruda.com/jaimini1.htm> a.com/jaimini1.htm > As for Parasaras definition. When i enquired about the same, i was taught > that the Fifth house is one of the more important bhavas in a chart, and > thus curses involving it really shape this life itself, and most clearly > the > offspring. He has given the definition and its upto us to understand the > full usage of the dictums. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] > On > Behalf Of R.C.Srivastava > 01 September 2006 14:25 > @ <%40> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* > Dear Visti, > Nameste. > Recently i read difference between curse and shrapa.Now Graha shaapa and > Bhava shrap is under discussion.I recall and refer PDF describing Curses > and > Evils supplied ( one page )with Workshop in 2003 or so. > This has confused me a a lot.Why? Q.V. > Before i was exposed to teachings of SJC , i knew only that if house , > house lord and karka are together afflicted and or weak some serious > trouble is in seed form and evil results may fructify in related adverse > dasa bhukti for matter s o related. > > Sh Jagannath Bhasin a old writer taught , if you see on a house and on > its > lord combined dristi of Saturn mars and / or Rahu be alert and sure > some > serious trouble is going to be experienced in life by native. > Now with so many terms of Curse shraap and evils , your illumination > will > be a welcome addition if thread bare it is clarified that various > combinations means what. > What i mean is > 1 Any house and its lord are in yuti and dristi of Sat/mars/Node either > two > ar all. > 2 Any house and its lord along with some Karka out of Eight planets( > excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all > of > them. > 3 Any set of House its lord but a karaka representing other matter out > of > Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node > either two ao all of them.Here i mean House and its lord are not having > afflicted planet as its Karka. > 4 What if in above AK is involved and not involved. > 5 Why Parashar discussed shrappa only causing lack or difficulty in > getting > children and did not hinted directly the way we define wrath of various > relations and timing with Mool dasa in his classic. > Please reply only the part you feel happy about. > Thanking in anticipation. > > > || May all people be happy || > OM TAT SAT > R.C.Srivastava . > swami_rcs (AT) (DOT) <swami_rcs (AT) (DOT) <swami_rcs%40> com> com > mob 9412268768 > http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmograce.com> ce.com> ce.com > http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> ce.blogspot.com> ce.blogspot.com > > - > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > @ <@ <%40> > > Friday, September 01, 2006 4:48 PM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a person > is > cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava Shaapa, > but > really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] > On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > >> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> Dear Hari, Namaskar >> You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of >> a curse, then Bhava >> Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For >> example: curse on the seventh >> house (without any planets) causes problems to >> either get married or causes >> disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. >> Is that not what your >> issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just >> circumstances. >> Best wishes, >> *** >> Visti Larsen >> For services and articles visit: >> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com >> *** >> >> >> _____ >> >> @ <%40> > >> [@ <%40> > ] On >> Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya >> 29 August 2006 14:08 >> @ <%40> >> >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava >> Shrapa >> >> >> >> >> |om| >> Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste >> >> Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, >> you both are talking about >> the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., >> where the cursed planet >> is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the >> circumstances that >> activate the curse is understood well. >> >> I refer to the other situation namely two or more >> malefics having graha >> dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th >> house in both rasi >> (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under >> the influence of two >> malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under >> the gaze of two >> malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani >> and Rahu) The rasi >> chart will show the circumstances triggering those >> malefic influences while >> the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the >> blows. It is very easy to >> make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually >> indicates a widow. >> Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal >> itself, it shows that >> the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, >> the latter is >> debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an >> exalted Sun...being in 7th >> house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a >> mother-like person who will >> introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened >> and the engagement was >> broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent >> in this situation have >> been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the >> samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay >> was very proud that I came out of the situation >> relatively unscathed >> entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent >> Lord Shiva that sits in >> lagna and guards the native. >> >> But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha >> between Ma and Me remains >> to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship >> for now but maybe Devi >> Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the >> Chandi patha under a >> qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me >> (DK) is in the MKS from >> AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth >> relationship at all? >> >> best regards >> Hari >> >> >> >> >> On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) >> <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar >> When you study curses, you find that the placement >> of the cursed planet also >> has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to >> the bhava where the >> curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this >> bhava shows the issue >> of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an >> 'allied' curse is on the >> father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue >> for the fathers sorrow >> and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth >> house). The whole problem >> was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown >> for her own son and for >> this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. >> Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the >> throne would still >> arise, but the suffering to the father would not >> have arisen. >> So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i >> cannot say that the results >> are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava >> shaapa is more like a dosha. >> Best wishes, >> *** >> Visti Larsen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________ > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> /> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prafull, Namaskar This is also what we are taught in the tradition. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Prafulla Gang 02 September 2006 13:15 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa Dear Visti ji Namaskar I am Sorry to jump into the thread. In my discussions with lots of good downtown astrologers, I observed that - they give lots of importance to 8th house for any curse to operate. In their view, 8th house defines the "pinda" - the ancestoral origin of the native and according to them, unless that part is afflicted - the curse may not operate. As per them, all past life bad karmas can trigger, only when one is not protected / blessed by his own "pinda" for this janma. If native is well protected then, such curses may be postponed to next life for the native, their blessings can even override such curses. I will try to get more details on this theory (from them) and will post the same. I do not have any jyotish experience on operative part of curses, hence have just shared - what I observed in my interactions. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com > Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:34:58 +0200 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar > Yes, Bhasin was a very sincere writer. I like his translation of > Sarvartha > Chintamani. > Reading your questions i find that there is a lack of definition between > Bhava, Bhavesha and Karaka. Please go through Jaimini-SJC discussions of > 25th Feb, 4th march. You can find them here: > http://www.srigarud <http://www.srigaruda.com/jaimini1.htm> a.com/jaimini1.htm > As for Parasaras definition. When i enquired about the same, i was taught > that the Fifth house is one of the more important bhavas in a chart, and > thus curses involving it really shape this life itself, and most clearly > the > offspring. He has given the definition and its upto us to understand the > full usage of the dictums. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] > On > Behalf Of R.C.Srivastava > 01 September 2006 14:25 > @ <%40> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* > Dear Visti, > Nameste. > Recently i read difference between curse and shrapa.Now Graha shaapa and > Bhava shrap is under discussion.I recall and refer PDF describing Curses > and > Evils supplied ( one page )with Workshop in 2003 or so. > This has confused me a a lot.Why? Q.V. > Before i was exposed to teachings of SJC , i knew only that if house , > house lord and karka are together afflicted and or weak some serious > trouble is in seed form and evil results may fructify in related adverse > dasa bhukti for matter s o related. > > Sh Jagannath Bhasin a old writer taught , if you see on a house and on > its > lord combined dristi of Saturn mars and / or Rahu be alert and sure > some > serious trouble is going to be experienced in life by native. > Now with so many terms of Curse shraap and evils , your illumination > will > be a welcome addition if thread bare it is clarified that various > combinations means what. > What i mean is > 1 Any house and its lord are in yuti and dristi of Sat/mars/Node either > two > ar all. > 2 Any house and its lord along with some Karka out of Eight planets( > excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node either two ao all > of > them. > 3 Any set of House its lord but a karaka representing other matter out > of > Eight planets( excluding Ketu) are in Yuti and dristi of Sat/Mars/Node > either two ao all of them.Here i mean House and its lord are not having > afflicted planet as its Karka. > 4 What if in above AK is involved and not involved. > 5 Why Parashar discussed shrappa only causing lack or difficulty in > getting > children and did not hinted directly the way we define wrath of various > relations and timing with Mool dasa in his classic. > Please reply only the part you feel happy about. > Thanking in anticipation. > > > || May all people be happy || > OM TAT SAT > R.C.Srivastava . > swami_rcs (AT) (DOT) <swami_rcs (AT) (DOT) <swami_rcs%40> com> com > mob 9412268768 > http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmograce.com> ce.com> ce.com > http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmogra <http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> ce.blogspot.com> ce.blogspot.com > > - > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > @ <@ <%40> > > Friday, September 01, 2006 4:48 PM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha shaapa where a person > is > cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has called it Bhava Shaapa, > but > really it means some dosha is there which is arising from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] > On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > >> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> Dear Hari, Namaskar >> You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue of >> a curse, then Bhava >> Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For >> example: curse on the seventh >> house (without any planets) causes problems to >> either get married or causes >> disturbances from outside elements in the marriage. >> Is that not what your >> issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just >> circumstances. >> Best wishes, >> *** >> Visti Larsen >> For services and articles visit: >> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com >> *** >> >> >> _____ >> >> @ <%40> > >> [@ <%40> > ] On >> Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya >> 29 August 2006 14:08 >> @ <%40> >> >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava >> Shrapa >> >> >> >> >> |om| >> Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste >> >> Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, >> you both are talking about >> the bhava where all the 'action' is happening i.e., >> where the cursed planet >> is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show the >> circumstances that >> activate the curse is understood well. >> >> I refer to the other situation namely two or more >> malefics having graha >> dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the 7th >> house in both rasi >> (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is under >> the influence of two >> malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is under >> the gaze of two >> malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa (Sani >> and Rahu) The rasi >> chart will show the circumstances triggering those >> malefic influences while >> the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the >> blows. It is very easy to >> make out that Rahu is the common factor and usually >> indicates a widow. >> Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of Mangal >> itself, it shows that >> the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and Sani, >> the latter is >> debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an >> exalted Sun...being in 7th >> house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a >> mother-like person who will >> introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened >> and the engagement was >> broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas latent >> in this situation have >> been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the >> samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay >> was very proud that I came out of the situation >> relatively unscathed >> entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent >> Lord Shiva that sits in >> lagna and guards the native. >> >> But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha >> between Ma and Me remains >> to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship >> for now but maybe Devi >> Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the >> Chandi patha under a >> qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that Me >> (DK) is in the MKS from >> AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth >> relationship at all? >> >> best regards >> Hari >> >> >> >> >> On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) >> <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| >> Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar >> When you study curses, you find that the placement >> of the cursed planet also >> has a profound effect, and thus we are referring to >> the bhava where the >> curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that this >> bhava shows the issue >> of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an >> 'allied' curse is on the >> father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the issue >> for the fathers sorrow >> and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth >> house). The whole problem >> was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown >> for her own son and for >> this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. >> Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of the >> throne would still >> arise, but the suffering to the father would not >> have arisen. >> So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i >> cannot say that the results >> are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava >> shaapa is more like a dosha. >> Best wishes, >> *** >> Visti Larsen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________ > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> /> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti,Namaskar Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have mentioned only aspect. Thank you. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > shaapa where a person is > cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > of > > a curse, then Bhava > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > example: curse on the seventh > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > either get married or causes > > disturbances from outside elements in the > marriage. > > Is that not what your > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > circumstances. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ > <%40> > > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > @ > <%40> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > you both are talking about > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > i.e., > > where the cursed planet > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > the > > circumstances that > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > malefics having graha > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > 7th > > house in both rasi > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > under > > the influence of two > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > under > > the gaze of two > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > (Sani > > and Rahu) The rasi > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > malefic influences while > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > blows. It is very easy to > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > usually > > indicates a widow. > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > Mangal > > itself, it shows that > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > Sani, > > the latter is > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > mother-like person who will > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > and the engagement was > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > latent > > in this situation have > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > relatively unscathed > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > between Ma and Me remains > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > for now but maybe Devi > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > Chandi patha under a > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > Me > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > relationship at all? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > of the cursed planet also > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > to > > the bhava where the > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > this > > bhava shows the issue > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > 'allied' curse is on the > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > issue > > for the fathers sorrow > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > house). The whole problem > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > for her own son and for > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > the > > throne would still > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > have arisen. > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > cannot say that the results > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sir, Namaskar Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst though. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra 12 September 2006 10:32 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti,Namaskar Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have mentioned only aspect. Thank you. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > shaapa where a person is > cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > of > > a curse, then Bhava > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > example: curse on the seventh > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > either get married or causes > > disturbances from outside elements in the > marriage. > > Is that not what your > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > circumstances. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ > <%40> > > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > @ > <%40> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > you both are talking about > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > i.e., > > where the cursed planet > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > the > > circumstances that > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > malefics having graha > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > 7th > > house in both rasi > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > under > > the influence of two > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > under > > the gaze of two > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > (Sani > > and Rahu) The rasi > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > malefic influences while > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > blows. It is very easy to > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > usually > > indicates a widow. > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > Mangal > > itself, it shows that > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > Sani, > > the latter is > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > mother-like person who will > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > and the engagement was > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > latent > > in this situation have > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > relatively unscathed > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > between Ma and Me remains > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > for now but maybe Devi > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > Chandi patha under a > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > Me > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > relationship at all? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > of the cursed planet also > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > to > > the bhava where the > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > this > > bhava shows the issue > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > 'allied' curse is on the > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > issue > > for the fathers sorrow > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > house). The whole problem > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > for her own son and for > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > the > > throne would still > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > have arisen. > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > cannot say that the results > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 OM Dear Guruji, Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense suffering that malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? Regards Rafal Gendarz - Visti Larsen Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sir, Namaskar Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst though. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra 12 September 2006 10:32 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti,Namaskar Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have mentioned only aspect. Thank you. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > shaapa where a person is > cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > of > > a curse, then Bhava > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > example: curse on the seventh > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > either get married or causes > > disturbances from outside elements in the > marriage. > > Is that not what your > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > circumstances. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ > <%40> > > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > @ > <%40> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > you both are talking about > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > i.e., > > where the cursed planet > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > the > > circumstances that > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > malefics having graha > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > 7th > > house in both rasi > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > under > > the influence of two > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > under > > the gaze of two > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > (Sani > > and Rahu) The rasi > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > malefic influences while > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > blows. It is very easy to > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > usually > > indicates a widow. > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > Mangal > > itself, it shows that > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > Sani, > > the latter is > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > mother-like person who will > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > and the engagement was > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > latent > > in this situation have > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > relatively unscathed > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > between Ma and Me remains > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > for now but maybe Devi > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > Chandi patha under a > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > Me > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > relationship at all? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > of the cursed planet also > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > to > > the bhava where the > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > this > > bhava shows the issue > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > 'allied' curse is on the > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > issue > > for the fathers sorrow > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > house). The whole problem > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > for her own son and for > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > the > > throne would still > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > have arisen. > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > cannot say that the results > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal, Namaskar Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi from malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is more intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 12 September 2006 12:16 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM Dear Guruji, Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense suffering that malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? Regards Rafal Gendarz - Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> @ <> Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sir, Namaskar Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst though. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ @ <> [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra 12 September 2006 10:32 @ <> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti,Namaskar Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have mentioned only aspect. Thank you. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > shaapa where a person is > cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > of > > a curse, then Bhava > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > example: curse on the seventh > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > either get married or causes > > disturbances from outside elements in the > marriage. > > Is that not what your > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > circumstances. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ > <%40> > > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > @ > <%40> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > you both are talking about > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > i.e., > > where the cursed planet > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > the > > circumstances that > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > malefics having graha > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > 7th > > house in both rasi > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > under > > the influence of two > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > under > > the gaze of two > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > (Sani > > and Rahu) The rasi > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > malefic influences while > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > blows. It is very easy to > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > usually > > indicates a widow. > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > Mangal > > itself, it shows that > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > Sani, > > the latter is > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > mother-like person who will > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > and the engagement was > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > latent > > in this situation have > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > relatively unscathed > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > between Ma and Me remains > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > for now but maybe Devi > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > Chandi patha under a > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > Me > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > relationship at all? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > of the cursed planet also > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > to > > the bhava where the > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > this > > bhava shows the issue > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > 'allied' curse is on the > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > issue > > for the fathers sorrow > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > house). The whole problem > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > for her own son and for > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > the > > throne would still > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > have arisen. > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > cannot say that the results > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 hraum namah adityaya Dear Guruji Per my imagination : That can only happen in dual sign and for mangal in chara. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Visti Larsen Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:20 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal, Namaskar Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi from malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is more intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 12 September 2006 12:16 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM Dear Guruji, Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense suffering that malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? Regards Rafal Gendarz - Visti Larsen Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sir, Namaskar Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst though. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** ---------- [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra 12 September 2006 10:32 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Visti,Namaskar Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have mentioned only aspect. Thank you. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Narender, Namaskar > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > shaapa where a person is > cursing you. > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > from a graha shaapa. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Visti namaskar, > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > workshop on varga chakras). > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > "bhava > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > of > > a curse, then Bhava > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > example: curse on the seventh > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > either get married or causes > > disturbances from outside elements in the > marriage. > > Is that not what your > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > circumstances. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ > <%40> > > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > @ > <%40> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > you both are talking about > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > i.e., > > where the cursed planet > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > the > > circumstances that > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > malefics having graha > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > 7th > > house in both rasi > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > under > > the influence of two > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > under > > the gaze of two > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > (Sani > > and Rahu) The rasi > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > malefic influences while > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > blows. It is very easy to > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > usually > > indicates a widow. > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > Mangal > > itself, it shows that > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > Sani, > > the latter is > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > mother-like person who will > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > and the engagement was > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > latent > > in this situation have > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > relatively unscathed > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > between Ma and Me remains > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > for now but maybe Devi > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > Chandi patha under a > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > Me > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > relationship at all? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > of the cursed planet also > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > to > > the bhava where the > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > this > > bhava shows the issue > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > 'allied' curse is on the > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > issue > > for the fathers sorrow > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > house). The whole problem > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > for her own son and for > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > the > > throne would still > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > have arisen. > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > cannot say that the results > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 OM SRIGURAVE NAMAH Dear Vistiji,Namaskar, Thanks a lot for replying to my querry regarding both my marriage and graha shapa .Requesting you to kindly go through my chart and suggest any remedies for professional development ,marriage etc .I have sent my dob,pob and tob in my last mail,take ur own time for reply .I am sorry for taking ur time for my querry's.Thank you. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Sir, Namaskar > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction > is worst though. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if > two > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is > Graha > > shaapa where a person is > > cursing you. > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > really it means some dosha is there which is > arising > > from a graha shaapa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ > <%40> > > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > @ > <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > "bhava > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the > issue > > of > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > either get married or causes > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > marriage. > > > Is that not what your > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > circumstances. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > [@ > > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: > Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of > course, > > > you both are talking about > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > i.e., > > > where the cursed planet > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > the > > > circumstances that > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or > more > > > malefics having graha > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > 7th > > > house in both rasi > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > under > > > the influence of two > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > under > > > the gaze of two > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > (Sani > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering > those > > > malefic influences while > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver > the > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > usually > > > indicates a widow. > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > Mangal > > > itself, it shows that > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > Sani, > > > the latter is > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined > an > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > mother-like person who will > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed > happened > > > and the engagement was > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > latent > > > in this situation have > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > relatively unscathed > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most > benevolent > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi > sambandha > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sir, Namaskar Please send your details again. I cannot read all mails in detail and tend to skip some. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Narender mahendra 13 September 2006 16:18 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa OM SRIGURAVE NAMAH Dear Vistiji,Namaskar, Thanks a lot for replying to my querry regarding both my marriage and graha shapa .Requesting you to kindly go through my chart and suggest any remedies for professional development ,marriage etc .I have sent my dob,pob and tob in my last mail,take ur own time for reply .I am sorry for taking ur time for my querry's.Thank you. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Sir, Namaskar > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction > is worst though. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 12 September 2006 10:32 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if > two > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is > Graha > > shaapa where a person is > > cursing you. > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > really it means some dosha is there which is > arising > > from a graha shaapa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ > <%40> > > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > @ > <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > "bhava > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the > issue > > of > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > either get married or causes > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > marriage. > > > Is that not what your > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > circumstances. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > [@ > > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: > Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of > course, > > > you both are talking about > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > i.e., > > > where the cursed planet > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > the > > > circumstances that > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or > more > > > malefics having graha > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > 7th > > > house in both rasi > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > under > > > the influence of two > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > under > > > the gaze of two > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > (Sani > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering > those > > > malefic influences while > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver > the > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > usually > > > indicates a widow. > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > Mangal > > > itself, it shows that > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > Sani, > > > the latter is > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined > an > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > mother-like person who will > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed > happened > > > and the engagement was > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > latent > > > in this situation have > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > relatively unscathed > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most > benevolent > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi > sambandha > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Vistiji,Namaskaar, My dob is 10-01-1964,my tob is 3.24AM and my pob is Hyderabad,India. Please write to me, as to what remedies I must do for better professional prospects and for marriage to take place.Thanks. isti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Sir, Namaskar > Please send your details again. I cannot read all > mails in detail and tend > to skip some. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > 13 September 2006 16:18 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > Shrapa > > > > OM SRIGURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Vistiji,Namaskar, > > Thanks a lot for replying to my querry regarding > both > my marriage and graha shapa .Requesting you to > kindly > go through my chart and suggest any remedies for > professional development ,marriage etc .I have sent > my > dob,pob and tob in my last mail,take ur own time for > reply .I am sorry for taking ur time for my > querry's.Thank you. > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. > Conjunction > > is worst though. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ > <%40> > > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > @ > <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if > > two > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is > > Graha > > > shaapa where a person is > > > cursing you. > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > really it means some dosha is there which is > > arising > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > [@ > > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: > Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha > Sharma > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > "bhava > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the > > issue > > > of > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > either get married or causes > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > marriage. > > > > Is that not what your > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue > just > > > > circumstances. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > > com/> > > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com> com> > com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > [@ > > > <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: > > Bhava > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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