Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 ||Om Datta Guru|| Dear Chandrashekharji, Yesterday u wrote in message no 11670 "I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and I do not remember anybody calling him racist. [sunil] Reply 1) I would before hand like to once again separate Sagi sign being a racist to what I wrote that if activated then it can become Reference: /message/11670 I wrote: I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was , a > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told me & > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not > collected any charts of racists so can't verify his words 2) Next it was mentioned that I haven't verified his words as I do not have charts of racists or religious fanatics] 3) Re Vivekananda's chart all of know his lagna is Sagi so if me or u are talking about Sagi lagna the first man who comes to our mind is Sagi lagna, keeping that in background I wouldn't have ventured into this thread 4) Infact let us see Vivekananda's chart from the point of view of what u wrote /message/11623 Not all fiery rasis like to fight. So I would go more with Leo and Aries but not Sagittarius. Dharma trikona simultaneously will make the combination potent. a) I purposely didn't give the example of Vivekananda days back in the post of ego and humility, but since u removed Vivekananda , lets us see he has i) 1H a dharma trikona has Sun with 150.77 % strength & Istha Phala of 29.76 etc etc ii) Is in a Fiery Sign Sagi iii) Is in 1H of Kalapurusha Aries & hence exalted iv) Somehow I must have missed some mail of urs, but it seems u to have accepted Sagi as a Combatant Rasi, am confused but since he is a combatant rasi according to u now, then Vivekananda's chart gets qualified into the criteria So can we conclude since the factors have matched that he had Ego & didn't Learn the Lessons of Life/Humility 5) I had asked u why u eliminate Sagi as a combatant sign & in message no 11638 some explanations were given by your kind self & in another mail (not quoting number here) u quoted him being Satwick etc. According to me Jup might be Satwick but it depends very much on the sign he lords whether it is Meena or Sagi. Looking at Kalapurusha Sagi is 9H & Jup is 9L, so why would all the problems or most of them in this world from time immemorial have to do with religion??????/ was my common sense thinking, ofcourse I have few grey hairs compared to others & can be immature in my thinking. Re the quote I shall mail a separate post. 6) I think it is easy to bracket a Sign into something but many factors come into play & easy bracketing doesn't serve the purpose of predictive astrology & for yrs one can go haywire thanks to internet lists. Privately I can give u the chart of a Jyotish who is known for his dictatorial ways & externally a Jupiter, u know him too, but its not about mud slinging or trying to prove a point. In Kala software in category of Criminals has the chart of "Billy the Kid" who has Sagi lagna He was reputed to have killed 21 men, one for each year of his life, but the actual total is probably closer to nine (four on his own and five with the help of others). 7) Our original thread on Sagi was on sign characteristics & not lagna which I posted a post on Sagi signs and different countries charts. Now coming back to it, Oshos 7H has Sagi , the lord Jup is exalted & retro & we all know what he views & ACTIONS were in terms of 7H matters and in terms of Religion (Sagi is 9H in kalapurusha – for others) he had fanatical/deviant & different views on it than the traditional (so many planets in 7H) . This might make us think to the original statement I made that maybe Sagi's other side is to be different also in terms of getting fanatical etc etc This mail has become too long. Regards, Sunil John In Message /message/11604 </message/11604> U wrote: Think about the reverse of humility and you come to ego. Sun represents Ego. So Sun with strength in the Dharma trikona will be one such combination. Couple it with combatant rasis like Aries and you get the combination for not learning the lessons in humility. In Message /message/11670 I wrote: I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was , a > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told me & > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not > collected any charts of racists so can't verify his words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dear Sunil, You are right. The mails have become too long. I have given what is said by the texts. You appear to have a different view. Vivekananda's chart actually proves, my point he has Surya in Sagittarius in Dharma trikona and none has accused him of ego. Or at least not to my knowledge. I think you are interchanging ego and Sun's placement in certain signs and houses with combative signs and signs that can fight at the drop of the hat or what is known as war-mongering signs. I think there is a fine distinction between the two. You apparently think otherwise. So let us keep our own points of views and agree to disagree in the manner in which signs need to be seen for their nature. Chandrashekhar. suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > Yesterday u wrote in message no 11670 > > "I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not > know > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and > I do not remember anybody calling him racist. > > [sunil] Reply > > 1) I would before hand like to once again separate Sagi sign being > a racist to what I wrote that if activated then it can become > > Reference: > > /message/11670 > </message/11670> > > I wrote: > > I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was , a > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told me > & > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not > > collected any charts of racists so can't verify his words > > 2) Next it was mentioned that I haven't verified his words as I > do not have charts of racists or religious fanatics] > > 3) Re Vivekananda's chart all of know his lagna is Sagi so if > me or u are talking about Sagi lagna the first man who comes to our mind > is Sagi lagna, keeping that in background I wouldn't have ventured > into this thread > > 4) Infact let us see Vivekananda's chart from the point of view > of what u wrote > > /message/11623 > </message/11623> > > Not all fiery rasis like to fight. So I would go more with Leo and Aries > but not Sagittarius. Dharma trikona simultaneously will make the > combination potent. > > a) I purposely didn't give the example of Vivekananda days back > in the post of ego and humility, but since u removed Vivekananda , lets > us see he has > > i) 1H a dharma trikona has Sun with 150.77 % strength > & Istha Phala of 29.76 etc etc > > ii) Is in a Fiery Sign Sagi > > iii) Is in 1H of Kalapurusha Aries & hence exalted > > iv) Somehow I must have missed some mail of urs, but it > seems u to have accepted Sagi as a Combatant Rasi, am confused but since > he is a combatant rasi according to u now, then Vivekananda's chart > gets qualified into the criteria > > So can we conclude since the factors have matched that he had Ego & > didn't Learn the Lessons of Life/Humility > > 5) I had asked u why u eliminate Sagi as a combatant sign & in > message no 11638 some explanations were given by your kind self & in > another mail (not quoting number here) u quoted him being Satwick etc. > According to me Jup might be Satwick but it depends very much on the > sign he lords whether it is Meena or Sagi. Looking at Kalapurusha Sagi > is 9H & Jup is 9L, so why would all the problems or most of them in this > world from time immemorial have to do with religion??????/ was my > common sense thinking, ofcourse I have few grey hairs compared to others > & can be immature in my thinking. > > Re the quote I shall mail a separate post. > > 6) I think it is easy to bracket a Sign into something but many > factors come into play & easy bracketing doesn't serve the purpose > of predictive astrology & for yrs one can go haywire thanks to internet > lists. Privately I can give u the chart of a Jyotish who is known for > his dictatorial ways & externally a Jupiter, u know him too, but its not > about mud slinging or trying to prove a point. In Kala software in > category of Criminals has the chart of "Billy the Kid" who has > Sagi lagna > > He was reputed to have killed 21 men, one for each year of his life, but > the actual total is probably closer to nine (four on his own and five > with the help of others). > > 7) Our original thread on Sagi was on sign characteristics & not > lagna which I posted a post on Sagi signs and different countries > charts. Now coming back to it, Oshos 7H has Sagi , the lord Jup is > exalted & retro & we all know what he views & ACTIONS were in terms of > 7H matters and in terms of Religion (Sagi is 9H in kalapurusha -- for > others) he had fanatical/deviant & different views on it than the > traditional (so many planets in 7H) . This might make us think to the > original statement I made that maybe Sagi's other side is to be > different also in terms of getting fanatical etc etc > > This mail has become too long. > > Regards, > > Sunil John > > In Message > > /message/11604 > </message/11604> > </message/11604 > </message/11604>> > > U wrote: > > Think about the reverse of humility and you come to ego. Sun represents > Ego. So Sun with strength in the Dharma trikona will be one such > combination. Couple it with combatant rasis like Aries and you get the > combination for not learning the lessons in humility. > > In Message > > /message/11670 > </message/11670> > > I wrote: > > I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was , a > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told me > & > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not > > collected any charts of racists so can't verify his words > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 ||Om Datta Guru|| Dear Chandrashekarji, I only have smiles after reading this mail. Those who wanted the truth have seen it, though we can interchange ones lens to suit ones explanation. I will slowly start ending each sub thread since all this is consuming couple of hours each day Regards, Sunil John , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > You are right. The mails have become too long. I have given what is said > by the texts. You appear to have a different view. Vivekananda's chart > actually proves, my point he has Surya in Sagittarius in Dharma trikona > and none has accused him of ego. Or at least not to my knowledge. > > I think you are interchanging ego and Sun's placement in certain signs > and houses with combative signs and signs that can fight at the drop of > the hat or what is known as war-mongering signs. I think there is a fine > distinction between the two. You apparently think otherwise. So let us > keep our own points of views and agree to disagree in the manner in > which signs need to be seen for their nature. > > Chandrashekhar. > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > Yesterday u wrote in message no 11670 > > > > "I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not > > know > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist. > > > > [sunil] Reply > > > > 1) I would before hand like to once again separate Sagi sign being > > a racist to what I wrote that if activated then it can become > > > > Reference: > > > > /message/11670 > > </message/11670> > > > > I wrote: > > > > I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was , a > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told me > > & > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verify his words > > > > 2) Next it was mentioned that I haven't verified his words as I > > do not have charts of racists or religious fanatics] > > > > 3) Re Vivekananda's chart all of know his lagna is Sagi so if > > me or u are talking about Sagi lagna the first man who comes to our mind > > is Sagi lagna, keeping that in background I wouldn't have ventured > > into this thread > > > > 4) Infact let us see Vivekananda's chart from the point of view > > of what u wrote > > > > /message/11623 > > </message/11623> > > > > Not all fiery rasis like to fight. So I would go more with Leo and Aries > > but not Sagittarius. Dharma trikona simultaneously will make the > > combination potent. > > > > a) I purposely didn't give the example of Vivekananda days back > > in the post of ego and humility, but since u removed Vivekananda , lets > > us see he has > > > > i) 1H a dharma trikona has Sun with 150.77 % strength > > & Istha Phala of 29.76 etc etc > > > > ii) Is in a Fiery Sign Sagi > > > > iii) Is in 1H of Kalapurusha Aries & hence exalted > > > > iv) Somehow I must have missed some mail of urs, but it > > seems u to have accepted Sagi as a Combatant Rasi, am confused but since > > he is a combatant rasi according to u now, then Vivekananda's chart > > gets qualified into the criteria > > > > So can we conclude since the factors have matched that he had Ego & > > didn't Learn the Lessons of Life/Humility > > > > 5) I had asked u why u eliminate Sagi as a combatant sign & in > > message no 11638 some explanations were given by your kind self & in > > another mail (not quoting number here) u quoted him being Satwick etc. > > According to me Jup might be Satwick but it depends very much on the > > sign he lords whether it is Meena or Sagi. Looking at Kalapurusha Sagi > > is 9H & Jup is 9L, so why would all the problems or most of them in this > > world from time immemorial have to do with religion??????/ was my > > common sense thinking, ofcourse I have few grey hairs compared to others > > & can be immature in my thinking. > > > > Re the quote I shall mail a separate post. > > > > 6) I think it is easy to bracket a Sign into something but many > > factors come into play & easy bracketing doesn't serve the purpose > > of predictive astrology & for yrs one can go haywire thanks to internet > > lists. Privately I can give u the chart of a Jyotish who is known for > > his dictatorial ways & externally a Jupiter, u know him too, but its not > > about mud slinging or trying to prove a point. In Kala software in > > category of Criminals has the chart of "Billy the Kid" who has > > Sagi lagna > > > > He was reputed to have killed 21 men, one for each year of his life, but > > the actual total is probably closer to nine (four on his own and five > > with the help of others). > > > > 7) Our original thread on Sagi was on sign characteristics & not > > lagna which I posted a post on Sagi signs and different countries > > charts. Now coming back to it, Oshos 7H has Sagi , the lord Jup is > > exalted & retro & we all know what he views & ACTIONS were in terms of > > 7H matters and in terms of Religion (Sagi is 9H in kalapurusha -- for > > others) he had fanatical/deviant & different views on it than the > > traditional (so many planets in 7H) . This might make us think to the > > original statement I made that maybe Sagi's other side is to be > > different also in terms of getting fanatical etc etc > > > > This mail has become too long. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil John > > > > In Message > > > > /message/11604 > > </message/11604> > > </message/11604 > > </message/11604>> > > > > U wrote: > > > > Think about the reverse of humility and you come to ego. Sun represents > > Ego. So Sun with strength in the Dharma trikona will be one such > > combination. Couple it with combatant rasis like Aries and you get the > > combination for not learning the lessons in humility. > > > > In Message > > > > /message/11670 > > </message/11670> > > > > I wrote: > > > > I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was , a > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told me > > & > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have not > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verify his words > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Dear Sunil, I do not know what you are insinuating. I am sure those who read the correspondence understand the difference between support of astrological texts and conjectures. Chandrashekhar. suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > I only have smiles after reading this mail. Those who wanted the truth > have seen it, though we can interchange ones lens to suit ones > explanation. > > I will slowly start ending each sub thread since all this is consuming > couple of hours each day > > Regards, > > Sunil John > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > You are right. The mails have become too long. I have given what is > said > > by the texts. You appear to have a different view. Vivekananda's chart > > actually proves, my point he has Surya in Sagittarius in Dharma > trikona > > and none has accused him of ego. Or at least not to my knowledge. > > > > I think you are interchanging ego and Sun's placement in certain signs > > and houses with combative signs and signs that can fight at the drop > of > > the hat or what is known as war-mongering signs. I think there is a > fine > > distinction between the two. You apparently think otherwise. So let us > > keep our own points of views and agree to disagree in the manner in > > which signs need to be seen for their nature. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > Yesterday u wrote in message no 11670 > > > > > > "I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not > > > know > > > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will > you > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising > and > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist. > > > > > > [sunil] Reply > > > > > > 1) I would before hand like to once again separate Sagi sign being > > > a racist to what I wrote that if activated then it can become > > > > > > Reference: > > > > > > /message/11670 > </message/11670> > > > </message/11670 > </message/11670>> > > > > > > I wrote: > > > > > > I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was > , a > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told > me > > > & > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have > not > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verify his words > > > > > > 2) Next it was mentioned that I haven't verified his words as I > > > do not have charts of racists or religious fanatics] > > > > > > 3) Re Vivekananda's chart all of know his lagna is Sagi so if > > > me or u are talking about Sagi lagna the first man who comes to our > mind > > > is Sagi lagna, keeping that in background I wouldn't have ventured > > > into this thread > > > > > > 4) Infact let us see Vivekananda's chart from the point of view > > > of what u wrote > > > > > > /message/11623 > </message/11623> > > > </message/11623 > </message/11623>> > > > > > > Not all fiery rasis like to fight. So I would go more with Leo and > Aries > > > but not Sagittarius. Dharma trikona simultaneously will make the > > > combination potent. > > > > > > a) I purposely didn't give the example of Vivekananda days back > > > in the post of ego and humility, but since u removed Vivekananda , > lets > > > us see he has > > > > > > i) 1H a dharma trikona has Sun with 150.77 % strength > > > & Istha Phala of 29.76 etc etc > > > > > > ii) Is in a Fiery Sign Sagi > > > > > > iii) Is in 1H of Kalapurusha Aries & hence exalted > > > > > > iv) Somehow I must have missed some mail of urs, but it > > > seems u to have accepted Sagi as a Combatant Rasi, am confused but > since > > > he is a combatant rasi according to u now, then Vivekananda's chart > > > gets qualified into the criteria > > > > > > So can we conclude since the factors have matched that he had Ego & > > > didn't Learn the Lessons of Life/Humility > > > > > > 5) I had asked u why u eliminate Sagi as a combatant sign & in > > > message no 11638 some explanations were given by your kind self & in > > > another mail (not quoting number here) u quoted him being Satwick > etc. > > > According to me Jup might be Satwick but it depends very much on the > > > sign he lords whether it is Meena or Sagi. Looking at Kalapurusha > Sagi > > > is 9H & Jup is 9L, so why would all the problems or most of them in > this > > > world from time immemorial have to do with religion??????/ was my > > > common sense thinking, ofcourse I have few grey hairs compared to > others > > > & can be immature in my thinking. > > > > > > Re the quote I shall mail a separate post. > > > > > > 6) I think it is easy to bracket a Sign into something but many > > > factors come into play & easy bracketing doesn't serve the purpose > > > of predictive astrology & for yrs one can go haywire thanks to > internet > > > lists. Privately I can give u the chart of a Jyotish who is known > for > > > his dictatorial ways & externally a Jupiter, u know him too, but its > not > > > about mud slinging or trying to prove a point. In Kala software in > > > category of Criminals has the chart of "Billy the Kid" who has > > > Sagi lagna > > > > > > He was reputed to have killed 21 men, one for each year of his life, > but > > > the actual total is probably closer to nine (four on his own and > five > > > with the help of others). > > > > > > 7) Our original thread on Sagi was on sign characteristics & not > > > lagna which I posted a post on Sagi signs and different countries > > > charts. Now coming back to it, Oshos 7H has Sagi , the lord Jup is > > > exalted & retro & we all know what he views & ACTIONS were in terms > of > > > 7H matters and in terms of Religion (Sagi is 9H in kalapurusha -- > for > > > others) he had fanatical/deviant & different views on it than the > > > traditional (so many planets in 7H) . This might make us think to > the > > > original statement I made that maybe Sagi's other side is to be > > > different also in terms of getting fanatical etc etc > > > > > > This mail has become too long. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > In Message > > > > > > /message/11604 > </message/11604> > > > </message/11604 > </message/11604>> > > > </message/11604 > </message/11604> > > > </message/11604 > </message/11604>>> > > > > > > U wrote: > > > > > > Think about the reverse of humility and you come to ego. Sun > represents > > > Ego. So Sun with strength in the Dharma trikona will be one such > > > combination. Couple it with combatant rasis like Aries and you get > the > > > combination for not learning the lessons in humility. > > > > > > In Message > > > > > > /message/11670 > </message/11670> > > > </message/11670 > </message/11670>> > > > > > > I wrote: > > > > > > I mentioned the Shakti Yoga of Moon Rahu (not Mars Sun) which is > > > > in the Ge/Sg - 3/9 axis - we all know how Racist/Fanatical he was > , a > > > > subdued character trait of Sagi is what one senior astrologer told > me > > > & > > > > to observe its activation of it in Racists. Incidentally I have > not > > > > collected any charts of racists so can't verify his words > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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