Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dear Chandrashekhar, Sorry for the delay in replying, or at least for the delay in my server's capacity to send my replies! The chapter is CV Part Two of Brihat Samhita, and is entitled 'Worship of the Stellar Deity' Of course I am not saying I have any sanction for saying this bodily link between constellation and parts of physiology are to be used with regard to the human body where BS is purely describing deity references for purpose of propitiation, it just seemed an unusual coincidence to notice with regard your own trident mark on the forehead, and this is what lead me to comment. My point about your Mars being: is it placed between 23:20 and 30 degrees Gemini, so it would have full aspect on this nakshatra's early padas in Virgo? best wishes M - Chandrashekhar Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:37 PM Re: saturn/knees Dear Margaret, I understand what you mean. Could you point me to the shloka that gives Forehead to Chitra (or head) in Brihat Samhita? The reason I asked is that vedic astrology considers rasi to rasi aspect and thus the aspect of Mars would be on Virgo and not on Libra, so the meaning of full aspect on Nakshatra is not very clear to me. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrshekhar, > The whole of Chitra represents forehead in nakshatra purusha, so with > you saying:- > > ''I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. '' > > I assumed your Mars to be in seventh in Gemini, whilst giving the > aspect to tenth house which would be Virgo if Cap is in second. As > Chitra covers 23:20 Virgo to 6:40 Libra then I thought it logical to > ask if your Mars might be in full aspect to this nakshatra. > Best wishes > M > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:32 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > Yes. It is the first dreshkana. By full aspect on Chitra do you mean on > beginning of Chitra, its middle or end of Chitra (that would be in Libra > anyway)? If you are looking at exact degree aspects, as against aspects > on rasis, then Mars anyway moves to the 8th bhava and would not aspect > the 10th bhava or Virgo rasi. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Do you have first decanate rising? > > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. > > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though Jupiter > > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to read > > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles > > and scars is unraveled. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra > effect. > > > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a > > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign > > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole > > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > > Hope this is clearer. > > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, > > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > > similar version. > > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > > Best wishes > > > M > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > > factored in. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and > especially > > > > our physiology. > > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap > and we > > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > > best wishes > > > > m > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I see. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, > though > > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > > > what is > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro > > > Saturn > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, > > > both > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > > though some > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally > > knees > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on > Jupiter. You > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of > Sag and > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as > > > well. > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > > analysis. > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had > transit > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > > > Saturn > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > > combination. > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th > August > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your > right > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, > > > L6 of > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of > accidents > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or > > > Pisces > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet > > when > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting > pot of > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment > > due to > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > > represents the > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee > trouble. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries > > during a > > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > > learned...example " > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > > knee...It > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever > > > since > > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not > > struggle > > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any > > special > > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release > Date: > > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dear Margaret, My Mars is 25 degrees 40' 58". So it does seem to qualify for full aspect on the nakshatra. You certainly have something there and this needs to be investigated more. In rasi chakra Virgo is not related to head but to the Kukshi (waist/side). Neither the 10th bhava considered for forehead. The position of my planets makes all the parameter appear to give marks and that is very peculiar. I think we must find charts where single planets aspect certain houses and nakshatra before coming to a definite conclusion. would appreciate your views very much. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Marg wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Sorry for the delay in replying, or at least for the delay in my > server's capacity to send my replies! > > The chapter is CV Part Two of Brihat Samhita, and is entitled 'Worship > of the Stellar Deity' > > Of course I am not saying I have any sanction for saying this bodily > link between constellation and parts of physiology are to be used with > regard to the human body where BS is purely describing deity > references for purpose of propitiation, it just seemed an unusual > coincidence to notice with regard your own trident mark on the > forehead, and this is what lead me to comment. > > My point about your Mars being: is it placed between 23:20 and 30 > degrees Gemini, so it would have full aspect on this nakshatra's early > padas in Virgo? > best wishes > M > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:37 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > I understand what you mean. Could you point me to the shloka that gives > Forehead to Chitra (or head) in Brihat Samhita? The reason I asked is > that vedic astrology considers rasi to rasi aspect and thus the aspect > of Mars would be on Virgo and not on Libra, so the meaning of full > aspect on Nakshatra is not very clear to me. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrshekhar, > > The whole of Chitra represents forehead in nakshatra purusha, so with > > you saying:- > > > > ''I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > forehead. '' > > > > I assumed your Mars to be in seventh in Gemini, whilst giving the > > aspect to tenth house which would be Virgo if Cap is in second. As > > Chitra covers 23:20 Virgo to 6:40 Libra then I thought it logical to > > ask if your Mars might be in full aspect to this nakshatra. > > Best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:32 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > Yes. It is the first dreshkana. By full aspect on Chitra do you mean on > > beginning of Chitra, its middle or end of Chitra (that would be in Libra > > anyway)? If you are looking at exact degree aspects, as against aspects > > on rasis, then Mars anyway moves to the 8th bhava and would not aspect > > the 10th bhava or Virgo rasi. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > Do you have first decanate rising? > > > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > > > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > > > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > forehead. > > > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though > Jupiter > > > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > > > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > > > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > > > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to > read > > > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > > > > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles > > > and scars is unraveled. > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra > > effect. > > > > > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up > as a > > > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in > own sign > > > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > > > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > > > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where > a mole > > > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > > > Hope this is clearer. > > > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > > > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier > stanza, > > > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > > > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > > > similar version. > > > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > > > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > > > Best wishes > > > > M > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > > > factored in. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and > > especially > > > > > our physiology. > > > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap > > and we > > > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the > limbs. > > > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > > > best wishes > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > I see. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but > clearly > > > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, > > though > > > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > > > > what is > > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, > retro > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro > Jupiter, > > > > both > > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > > > though some > > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally > > > knees > > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on > > Jupiter. You > > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of > > Sag and > > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the > body as > > > > well. > > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had > > transit > > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > > > combination. > > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > > > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th > > August > > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter > Saturn > > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your > > right > > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with > Mars, > > > > L6 of > > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit > Mars > > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of > > accidents > > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting > Sagittarius or > > > > Pisces > > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet > > > when > > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting > > pot of > > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment > > > due to > > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > > > represents the > > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee > > trouble. > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries > > > during a > > > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > > > learned...example " > > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under > influence of > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > > > knee...It > > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons > ever > > > > since > > > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not > > > struggle > > > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any > > > special > > > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release > > Date: > > > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Dear Chadrashekhar, I thought it too much of a coincidence that you had Mars aspecting this asterism and then having the trident mark on the forehead. Interestingly Mars rules Chitra so is aspecting its own asterism. More research is needed as you say, though I have not used the asterisms regularly for looking at marks on the human body, and would need to collect charts where planets aspect or occupy their own nakshatra to see if it is more than coincidence, and whether such positions reflect marks where the usual kalapurusha rules don't shows such body marks. A simple project to conduct over time perhaps. best wishes margaret - Chandrashekhar Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:56 PM Re: saturn/knees Chandrashekhar Dear Margaret, My Mars is 25 degrees 40' 58". So it does seem to qualify for full aspect on the nakshatra. You certainly have something there and this needs to be investigated more. In rasi chakra Virgo is not related to head but to the Kukshi (waist/side). Neither the 10th bhava considered for forehead. The position of my planets makes all the parameter appear to give marks and that is very peculiar. I think we must find charts where single planets aspect certain houses and nakshatra before coming to a definite conclusion. would appreciate your views very much. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Marg wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Sorry for the delay in replying, or at least for the delay in my > server's capacity to send my replies! > > The chapter is CV Part Two of Brihat Samhita, and is entitled 'Worship > of the Stellar Deity' > > Of course I am not saying I have any sanction for saying this bodily > link between constellation and parts of physiology are to be used with > regard to the human body where BS is purely describing deity > references for purpose of propitiation, it just seemed an unusual > coincidence to notice with regard your own trident mark on the > forehead, and this is what lead me to comment. > > My point about your Mars being: is it placed between 23:20 and 30 > degrees Gemini, so it would have full aspect on this nakshatra's early > padas in Virgo? > best wishes > M > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:37 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > I understand what you mean. Could you point me to the shloka that gives > Forehead to Chitra (or head) in Brihat Samhita? The reason I asked is > that vedic astrology considers rasi to rasi aspect and thus the aspect > of Mars would be on Virgo and not on Libra, so the meaning of full > aspect on Nakshatra is not very clear to me. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrshekhar, > > The whole of Chitra represents forehead in nakshatra purusha, so with > > you saying:- > > > > ''I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > forehead. '' > > > > I assumed your Mars to be in seventh in Gemini, whilst giving the > > aspect to tenth house which would be Virgo if Cap is in second. As > > Chitra covers 23:20 Virgo to 6:40 Libra then I thought it logical to > > ask if your Mars might be in full aspect to this nakshatra. > > Best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:32 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > Yes. It is the first dreshkana. By full aspect on Chitra do you mean on > > beginning of Chitra, its middle or end of Chitra (that would be in Libra > > anyway)? If you are looking at exact degree aspects, as against aspects > > on rasis, then Mars anyway moves to the 8th bhava and would not aspect > > the 10th bhava or Virgo rasi. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > Do you have first decanate rising? > > > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > > > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > > > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > forehead. > > > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though > Jupiter > > > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > > > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > > > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > > > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to > read > > > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > > > > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles > > > and scars is unraveled. > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra > > effect. > > > > > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up > as a > > > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in > own sign > > > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > > > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > > > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where > a mole > > > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > > > Hope this is clearer. > > > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > > > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier > stanza, > > > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > > > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > > > similar version. > > > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > > > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > > > Best wishes > > > > M > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > > > factored in. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and > > especially > > > > > our physiology. > > > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap > > and we > > > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the > limbs. > > > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > > > best wishes > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > I see. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but > clearly > > > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, > > though > > > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > > > > what is > > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, > retro > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro > Jupiter, > > > > both > > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > > > though some > > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally > > > knees > > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on > > Jupiter. You > > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of > > Sag and > > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the > body as > > > > well. > > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had > > transit > > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > > > combination. > > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > > > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th > > August > > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter > Saturn > > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your > > right > > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with > Mars, > > > > L6 of > > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit > Mars > > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of > > accidents > > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting > Sagittarius or > > > > Pisces > > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet > > > when > > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting > > pot of > > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment > > > due to > > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > > > represents the > > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee > > trouble. > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries > > > during a > > > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > > > learned...example " > > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under > influence of > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > > > knee...It > > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons > ever > > > > since > > > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not > > > struggle > > > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any > > > special > > > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release > > Date: > > > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Dear Margaret, I agree that we should also see whether the Nakshatras hold the keys to marks not indicated by signs or dreshkanas. A project conducted over time certainly is the right way. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Marg wrote: > > Dear Chadrashekhar, > > I thought it too much of a coincidence that you had Mars aspecting > this asterism and then having the trident mark on the forehead. > Interestingly Mars rules Chitra so is aspecting its own asterism. > More research is needed as you say, though I have not used the > asterisms regularly for looking at marks on the human body, and would > need to collect charts where planets aspect or occupy their own > nakshatra to see if it is more than coincidence, and whether such > positions reflect marks where the usual kalapurusha rules don't shows > such body marks. A simple project to conduct over time perhaps. > best wishes > margaret > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:56 PM > Re: saturn/knees Chandrashekhar > > Dear Margaret, > My Mars is 25 degrees 40' 58". So it does seem to qualify for full > aspect on the nakshatra. You certainly have something there and this > needs to be investigated more. In rasi chakra Virgo is not related to > head but to the Kukshi (waist/side). Neither the 10th bhava considered > for forehead. The position of my planets makes all the parameter appear > to give marks and that is very peculiar. I think we must find charts > where single planets aspect certain houses and nakshatra before coming > to a definite conclusion. would appreciate your views very much. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Marg wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Sorry for the delay in replying, or at least for the delay in my > > server's capacity to send my replies! > > > > The chapter is CV Part Two of Brihat Samhita, and is entitled 'Worship > > of the Stellar Deity' > > > > Of course I am not saying I have any sanction for saying this bodily > > link between constellation and parts of physiology are to be used with > > regard to the human body where BS is purely describing deity > > references for purpose of propitiation, it just seemed an unusual > > coincidence to notice with regard your own trident mark on the > > forehead, and this is what lead me to comment. > > > > My point about your Mars being: is it placed between 23:20 and 30 > > degrees Gemini, so it would have full aspect on this nakshatra's early > > padas in Virgo? > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:37 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > I understand what you mean. Could you point me to the shloka that gives > > Forehead to Chitra (or head) in Brihat Samhita? The reason I asked is > > that vedic astrology considers rasi to rasi aspect and thus the aspect > > of Mars would be on Virgo and not on Libra, so the meaning of full > > aspect on Nakshatra is not very clear to me. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrshekhar, > > > The whole of Chitra represents forehead in nakshatra purusha, so with > > > you saying:- > > > > > > ''I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th > bhava and > > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > > forehead. '' > > > > > > I assumed your Mars to be in seventh in Gemini, whilst giving the > > > aspect to tenth house which would be Virgo if Cap is in second. As > > > Chitra covers 23:20 Virgo to 6:40 Libra then I thought it logical to > > > ask if your Mars might be in full aspect to this nakshatra. > > > Best wishes > > > M > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:32 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > Yes. It is the first dreshkana. By full aspect on Chitra do you > mean on > > > beginning of Chitra, its middle or end of Chitra (that would be in > Libra > > > anyway)? If you are looking at exact degree aspects, as against > aspects > > > on rasis, then Mars anyway moves to the 8th bhava and would not aspect > > > the 10th bhava or Virgo rasi. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Do you have first decanate rising? > > > > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > > > > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > > > > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th > bhava and > > > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > > forehead. > > > > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though > > Jupiter > > > > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > > > > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and > not the > > > > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the > one by > > > > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to > > read > > > > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > > > > > > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, > moles > > > > and scars is unraveled. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > > > > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > > > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra > > > effect. > > > > > > > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > > > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee > from > > > > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up > > as a > > > > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in > > own sign > > > > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > > > > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag > shows this > > > > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always > been seen > > > > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > > > > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where > > a mole > > > > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > > > > Hope this is clearer. > > > > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref > is ch 5 > > > > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier > > stanza, > > > > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and > thighs to > > > > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > > > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > > > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch > 5 for > > > > > similar version. > > > > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in > Sag, as > > > > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > > > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > M > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > > > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > > > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have > to be > > > > > factored in. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and > > > especially > > > > > > our physiology. > > > > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as > many > > > > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap > > > and we > > > > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the > > limbs. > > > > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I see. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but > > clearly > > > > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, > > > though > > > > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is > Knees > > > > > what is > > > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, > > retro > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro > > Jupiter, > > > > > both > > > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > > > > though some > > > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that > natally > > > > knees > > > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on > > > Jupiter. You > > > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of > > > Sag and > > > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the > > body as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had > > > transit > > > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while > transit > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > > > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > > > > combination. > > > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > > > > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th > > > August > > > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter > > Saturn > > > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your > > > right > > > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with > > Mars, > > > > > L6 of > > > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit > > Mars > > > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of > > > accidents > > > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting > > Sagittarius or > > > > > Pisces > > > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees > or feet > > > > when > > > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting > > > pot of > > > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment > > > > due to > > > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > > > > represents the > > > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee > > > trouble. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries > > > > during a > > > > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > > > > learned...example " > > > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under > > influence of > > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my > right > > > > > > knee...It > > > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons > > ever > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not > > > > struggle > > > > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any > > > > special > > > > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release > > > Date: > > > > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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