Other side of Sagittarius & Indias chart/Kalapurusha

[Guest guest]

||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

Pls re-read the post with sound mind. My english is not great but I try

my best to explain it as soundly as possible.

 

Jugglery of words serves no purpose & only shows Who We Are & hence I

will re-explain it as much is allowed. My reply below as [sunil]

 

 

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Since you refuse to read classics and have secret knowledge that can

not be revealed we are talking on different planes.

 

[sunil]: I refuse to read classics till am spiritually capable, reading

them blindly esp since lot of interpolations in the classics have come

in, would land me in the current state of internet astrologers. Before

reading a classic there is a method by which it is activated, like any

Nadi without having its Kavacham & Mantra associated with it is useless

>

> I really seem to be an ignoramus in Vedic astrology, as I am not able

to > understand the assertion that the organ of kalapurusha, thigh here

if > you look at natural zodiac, is directly indicative of Dharma.

 

[sunil] Where did the organ come in Chandrashekharji ?? we were talking

about Sagi & Religion, Sagi & Religious Fanaticm if corrupted. what use

is bringing organ & confusing everyone. See what I wrote

 

> > a) See every chart with kalapurusha n in our case 9th sign of KP

shows> > everything of 9H significations of KP (religion, foreign etc )

>

> I am also at a loss to understand the relation between opposing bhavas

> sucking each others energy, as you put it., and looking at the nature

of > rasis from bhava position. If we look at it that way then a person

who > has Parakrama must indicate lack of combative spirit or weak

thighs as > Parakrama is 3rd bhava and thighs (and combative spirit

according to > your theory) are represented by 9th bhava.

 

[sunil]: This is max 20 min discussion, what is the use of stretching it

and diluting it constantly. I am not here trying to prove u wrong, am

having this discussion to further deeper thinking on myself & others. My

intentions are crystal clear as I do not waste my energies, it is better

for me to bow down & leave lists as I would only be benefitted.

 

Did I say opposing bhavas, come on, if 6H of disputes has Sagi Rasi it

will suck the energy of Sagi & viceversa, my statement was very clear.

 

 

>

> This is something new to me and I would certainly like to know more >

about it if no secrets are likely to be revealed by doing that.

 

[sunil]: I am aware that most astrologers do not use Kalapurusha while

analysing each and every chart. One of my mentors has taught me that

Kalapurusha & Tatwa is the key to astrology. Anyways if we see India's

chart, 9L is Shani placed in 3H of fighting etc etc Religious Fanatism

can be established by some.

 

Another way is to see 9th sign of Kalapurusha,it is in the 8H (chronic

disease) of indias chart, its lord Jup is in 6H of disputes - do we

indians fight on religion & religious fanatics

 

 

 

I can't get into all this. This has become non stop discussion. I have

only 18 days left to help Patel to finish his book, he leaves to his

native place forever, hope u understand.

 

 

 

Bye

 

SJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekarji,

> >

> > Either you are trying to test me or you do not know (which is tough

to> > imagine), well this is basic astrology interpretation & I thought

my> > earlier explanation was self explanatory

> >

> > a) See every chart with kalapurusha n in our case 9th sign of KP

shows> > everything of 9H significations of KP (religion, foreign etc )

> >

> > b) In all the charts, mundane rules have to be applied to see the

bhavas

> >

> > c) Any bhava will Suck the energy of the sign & vice versa - most

> > astrologers miss this vital point though the effects can be subtle &

at

> > times exuberant

> >

> > d) Then apply Vim Dasa, Chara Dasa & other relevant dasas to see the

> > role of Sagi, its lord, combo etc

> >

> > > Nowhere does it appear to be Lagna or Chandra rasi.

> >

> > * There is no golden rule that everything has to be Lagna or Chandra

> > Rasi, there is enough material by all authors who have shown how to

use

> > it from Karaka lagna, Arudha, Graha Arudha Lagna, I can go on

> >

> > I know I write in cryptic language since I do not want to reveal

secrets

> > in some cases(where am under oath) & esp in mundane I feel it is

missued

> > for self propogation. But in the previous post all was elementary.

> >

> > U wrote

> >

> > > In the editions of BPHS that I have I find all the commentators

> > > describing Sagittarius as a Satvik rasi. Is there any astrological

> > text

> > > that says otherwise?

> >

> > We have gone through enough to determine if Sagi is combatant,

fighting

> > etc etc & also Satvik, now if we are going back to the same topic am

> > getting confuses

> >

> > I refuse to read a classic I have mentioned this before also in

posts,

> > since I feel am not spiritualy advanced yet to understand the subtle

> > meaning behind each verses and also one needs to communicate with

the

> > Sages to really understand what they wrote otherwise I will land up

just

> > quoting shlokas & get fixed about it.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I find that in all these charts Sagittarius is in different

bhavas.

> > > Nowhere does it appear to be Lagna or Chandra rasi. So would you

let

> > us

> > > know the logic of arriving at the conclusion that Sagittarius is a

> > > combative rasi?

> > >

> > > In the editions of BPHS that I have I find all the commentators

> > > describing Sagittarius as a Satvik rasi. Is there any astrological

> > text

> > > that says otherwise?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Did this few days back & thought would share it with all, though

it

> > is

> > > > non-conclusive.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > P.S

> > > >

> > > > Irans Chart (KNRs data)

> > > >

> > > > Sg is in the 6H of disputes/war - we know what they are into,

and

> > > > position of lagna lord confirms it

> > > >

> > > > Chinas Chart (KNRs data)

> > > >

> > > > Sagi is in the 12H where Jup is placed, their foreign neigbors

are

> > > > religious Tibet & India (shown by Jup) but they attacked both

> > countries

> > > > and has occupied one of them.

> > > >

> > > > Pakistans Chart (KNRs data though Jhora gives me different

lagna)

> > > >

> > > > 9H has Sagi, 9L of religion Jup in 7H of opponent & war/secret

> > enemies.

> > > > It also very clearly shows what India (their opponent)

> > is............in

> > > > reality.

> > > >

> > > > Osamas chart

> > > >

> > > > 3H of action & death (Sagi) he carries it abroad as Jup is

placed in

> > > > 12H. He is fanatic Jehadi as beleived by majority

> > > > receivin the aspect of Sat from maraka house(behari)

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

 

As I said I am an ignoramus in astrology, compared to many. But

Kalpurusha is used to represent various organs of the body and not the

rasis, as far as I know. I have already said that if you are talking

about natural zodiac then religion being represented by the 9th rasi

Sagittarius can be understood. I do not find any jugglery of words in

what I said ,as you imply. May be you have some secret texts that maps

Kalapurusha to bhavas and not organs.

 

I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for

reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But

then there may be some texts that say that as you imply.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> Pls re-read the post with sound mind. My english is not great but I try

> my best to explain it as soundly as possible.

>

> Jugglery of words serves no purpose & only shows Who We Are & hence I

> will re-explain it as much is allowed. My reply below as [sunil]

>

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > Since you refuse to read classics and have secret knowledge that can

> not be revealed we are talking on different planes.

>

> [sunil]: I refuse to read classics till am spiritually capable, reading

> them blindly esp since lot of interpolations in the classics have come

> in, would land me in the current state of internet astrologers. Before

> reading a classic there is a method by which it is activated, like any

> Nadi without having its Kavacham & Mantra associated with it is useless

> >

> > I really seem to be an ignoramus in Vedic astrology, as I am not able

> to > understand the assertion that the organ of kalapurusha, thigh here

> if > you look at natural zodiac, is directly indicative of Dharma.

>

> [sunil] Where did the organ come in Chandrashekharji ?? we were talking

> about Sagi & Religion, Sagi & Religious Fanaticm if corrupted. what use

> is bringing organ & confusing everyone. See what I wrote

>

> > > a) See every chart with kalapurusha n in our case 9th sign of KP

> shows> > everything of 9H significations of KP (religion, foreign etc )

> >

> > I am also at a loss to understand the relation between opposing bhavas

> > sucking each others energy, as you put it., and looking at the nature

> of > rasis from bhava position. If we look at it that way then a person

> who > has Parakrama must indicate lack of combative spirit or weak

> thighs as > Parakrama is 3rd bhava and thighs (and combative spirit

> according to > your theory) are represented by 9th bhava.

>

> [sunil]: This is max 20 min discussion, what is the use of stretching it

> and diluting it constantly. I am not here trying to prove u wrong, am

> having this discussion to further deeper thinking on myself & others. My

> intentions are crystal clear as I do not waste my energies, it is better

> for me to bow down & leave lists as I would only be benefitted.

>

> Did I say opposing bhavas, come on, if 6H of disputes has Sagi Rasi it

> will suck the energy of Sagi & viceversa, my statement was very clear.

>

> >

> > This is something new to me and I would certainly like to know more >

> about it if no secrets are likely to be revealed by doing that.

>

> [sunil]: I am aware that most astrologers do not use Kalapurusha while

> analysing each and every chart. One of my mentors has taught me that

> Kalapurusha & Tatwa is the key to astrology. Anyways if we see India's

> chart, 9L is Shani placed in 3H of fighting etc etc Religious Fanatism

> can be established by some.

>

> Another way is to see 9th sign of Kalapurusha,it is in the 8H (chronic

> disease) of indias chart, its lord Jup is in 6H of disputes - do we

> indians fight on religion & religious fanatics

>

> I can't get into all this. This has become non stop discussion. I have

> only 18 days left to help Patel to finish his book, he leaves to his

> native place forever, hope u understand.

>

> Bye

>

> SJ

>

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekarji,

> > >

> > > Either you are trying to test me or you do not know (which is tough

> to> > imagine), well this is basic astrology interpretation & I thought

> my> > earlier explanation was self explanatory

> > >

> > > a) See every chart with kalapurusha n in our case 9th sign of KP

> shows> > everything of 9H significations of KP (religion, foreign etc )

> > >

> > > b) In all the charts, mundane rules have to be applied to see the

> bhavas

> > >

> > > c) Any bhava will Suck the energy of the sign & vice versa - most

> > > astrologers miss this vital point though the effects can be subtle &

> at

> > > times exuberant

> > >

> > > d) Then apply Vim Dasa, Chara Dasa & other relevant dasas to see the

> > > role of Sagi, its lord, combo etc

> > >

> > > > Nowhere does it appear to be Lagna or Chandra rasi.

> > >

> > > * There is no golden rule that everything has to be Lagna or Chandra

> > > Rasi, there is enough material by all authors who have shown how to

> use

> > > it from Karaka lagna, Arudha, Graha Arudha Lagna, I can go on

> > >

> > > I know I write in cryptic language since I do not want to reveal

> secrets

> > > in some cases(where am under oath) & esp in mundane I feel it is

> missued

> > > for self propogation. But in the previous post all was elementary.

> > >

> > > U wrote

> > >

> > > > In the editions of BPHS that I have I find all the commentators

> > > > describing Sagittarius as a Satvik rasi. Is there any astrological

> > > text

> > > > that says otherwise?

> > >

> > > We have gone through enough to determine if Sagi is combatant,

> fighting

> > > etc etc & also Satvik, now if we are going back to the same topic am

> > > getting confuses

> > >

> > > I refuse to read a classic I have mentioned this before also in

> posts,

> > > since I feel am not spiritualy advanced yet to understand the subtle

> > > meaning behind each verses and also one needs to communicate with

> the

> > > Sages to really understand what they wrote otherwise I will land up

> just

> > > quoting shlokas & get fixed about it.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I find that in all these charts Sagittarius is in different

> bhavas.

> > > > Nowhere does it appear to be Lagna or Chandra rasi. So would you

> let

> > > us

> > > > know the logic of arriving at the conclusion that Sagittarius is a

> > > > combative rasi?

> > > >

> > > > In the editions of BPHS that I have I find all the commentators

> > > > describing Sagittarius as a Satvik rasi. Is there any astrological

> > > text

> > > > that says otherwise?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Did this few days back & thought would share it with all, though

> it

> > > is

> > > > > non-conclusive.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S

> > > > >

> > > > > Irans Chart (KNRs data)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sg is in the 6H of disputes/war - we know what they are into,

> and

> > > > > position of lagna lord confirms it

> > > > >

> > > > > Chinas Chart (KNRs data)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sagi is in the 12H where Jup is placed, their foreign neigbors

> are

> > > > > religious Tibet & India (shown by Jup) but they attacked both

> > > countries

> > > > > and has occupied one of them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pakistans Chart (KNRs data though Jhora gives me different

> lagna)

> > > > >

> > > > > 9H has Sagi, 9L of religion Jup in 7H of opponent & war/secret

> > > enemies.

> > > > > It also very clearly shows what India (their opponent)

> > > is............in

> > > > > reality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Osamas chart

> > > > >

> > > > > 3H of action & death (Sagi) he carries it abroad as Jup is

> placed in

> > > > > 12H. He is fanatic Jehadi as beleived by majority

> > > > > receivin the aspect of Sat from maraka house(behari)

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Chandrashekarji,

 

I am sorry I thought How to Use Kalapurusha was known to all. I have

been away from all lists for long & only concentrated in learning from

traditionalists.

 

 

 

Lal Kitab uses Kalapurusha really well I hear and I would study it one

day.

 

 

 

Anyways it is nice to have an open mind to learn new things I would say

& talk about it. The part of this mail i shall reply in another post.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> As I said I am an ignoramus in astrology, compared to many. But

> Kalpurusha is used to represent various organs of the body and not the

> rasis, as far as I know. I have already said that if you are talking

> about natural zodiac then religion being represented by the 9th rasi

> Sagittarius can be understood. I do not find any jugglery of words in

> what I said ,as you imply. May be you have some secret texts that maps

> Kalapurusha to bhavas and not organs.

>

> I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for

> reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But

> then there may be some texts that say that as you imply.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > Pls re-read the post with sound mind. My english is not great but I

try

> > my best to explain it as soundly as possible.

> >

> > Jugglery of words serves no purpose & only shows Who We Are & hence

I

> > will re-explain it as much is allowed. My reply below as [sunil]

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > Since you refuse to read classics and have secret knowledge that

can

> > not be revealed we are talking on different planes.

> >

> > [sunil]: I refuse to read classics till am spiritually capable,

reading

> > them blindly esp since lot of interpolations in the classics have

come

> > in, would land me in the current state of internet astrologers.

Before

> > reading a classic there is a method by which it is activated, like

any

> > Nadi without having its Kavacham & Mantra associated with it is

useless

> > >

> > > I really seem to be an ignoramus in Vedic astrology, as I am not

able

> > to > understand the assertion that the organ of kalapurusha, thigh

here

> > if > you look at natural zodiac, is directly indicative of Dharma.

> >

> > [sunil] Where did the organ come in Chandrashekharji ?? we were

talking

> > about Sagi & Religion, Sagi & Religious Fanaticm if corrupted. what

use

> > is bringing organ & confusing everyone. See what I wrote

> >

> > > > a) See every chart with kalapurusha n in our case 9th sign of KP

> > shows> > everything of 9H significations of KP (religion, foreign

etc )

> > >

> > > I am also at a loss to understand the relation between opposing

bhavas

> > > sucking each others energy, as you put it., and looking at the

nature

> > of > rasis from bhava position. If we look at it that way then a

person

> > who > has Parakrama must indicate lack of combative spirit or weak

> > thighs as > Parakrama is 3rd bhava and thighs (and combative spirit

> > according to > your theory) are represented by 9th bhava.

> >

> > [sunil]: This is max 20 min discussion, what is the use of

stretching it

> > and diluting it constantly. I am not here trying to prove u wrong,

am

> > having this discussion to further deeper thinking on myself &

others. My

> > intentions are crystal clear as I do not waste my energies, it is

better

> > for me to bow down & leave lists as I would only be benefitted.

> >

> > Did I say opposing bhavas, come on, if 6H of disputes has Sagi Rasi

it

> > will suck the energy of Sagi & viceversa, my statement was very

clear.

> >

> > >

> > > This is something new to me and I would certainly like to know

more >

> > about it if no secrets are likely to be revealed by doing that.

> >

> > [sunil]: I am aware that most astrologers do not use Kalapurusha

while

> > analysing each and every chart. One of my mentors has taught me that

> > Kalapurusha & Tatwa is the key to astrology. Anyways if we see

India's

> > chart, 9L is Shani placed in 3H of fighting etc etc Religious

Fanatism

> > can be established by some.

> >

> > Another way is to see 9th sign of Kalapurusha,it is in the 8H

(chronic

> > disease) of indias chart, its lord Jup is in 6H of disputes - do we

> > indians fight on religion & religious fanatics

> >

> > I can't get into all this. This has become non stop discussion. I

have

> > only 18 days left to help Patel to finish his book, he leaves to his

> > native place forever, hope u understand.

> >

> > Bye

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekarji,

> > > >

> > > > Either you are trying to test me or you do not know (which is

tough

> > to> > imagine), well this is basic astrology interpretation & I

thought

> > my> > earlier explanation was self explanatory

> > > >

> > > > a) See every chart with kalapurusha n in our case 9th sign of KP

> > shows> > everything of 9H significations of KP (religion, foreign

etc )

> > > >

> > > > b) In all the charts, mundane rules have to be applied to see

the

> > bhavas

> > > >

> > > > c) Any bhava will Suck the energy of the sign & vice versa -

most

> > > > astrologers miss this vital point though the effects can be

subtle &

> > at

> > > > times exuberant

> > > >

> > > > d) Then apply Vim Dasa, Chara Dasa & other relevant dasas to see

the

> > > > role of Sagi, its lord, combo etc

> > > >

> > > > > Nowhere does it appear to be Lagna or Chandra rasi.

> > > >

> > > > * There is no golden rule that everything has to be Lagna or

Chandra

> > > > Rasi, there is enough material by all authors who have shown how

to

> > use

> > > > it from Karaka lagna, Arudha, Graha Arudha Lagna, I can go on

> > > >

> > > > I know I write in cryptic language since I do not want to reveal

> > secrets

> > > > in some cases(where am under oath) & esp in mundane I feel it is

> > missued

> > > > for self propogation. But in the previous post all was

elementary.

> > > >

> > > > U wrote

> > > >

> > > > > In the editions of BPHS that I have I find all the

commentators

> > > > > describing Sagittarius as a Satvik rasi. Is there any

astrological

> > > > text

> > > > > that says otherwise?

> > > >

> > > > We have gone through enough to determine if Sagi is combatant,

> > fighting

> > > > etc etc & also Satvik, now if we are going back to the same

topic am

> > > > getting confuses

> > > >

> > > > I refuse to read a classic I have mentioned this before also in

> > posts,

> > > > since I feel am not spiritualy advanced yet to understand the

subtle

> > > > meaning behind each verses and also one needs to communicate

with

> > the

> > > > Sages to really understand what they wrote otherwise I will land

up

> > just

> > > > quoting shlokas & get fixed about it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I find that in all these charts Sagittarius is in different

> > bhavas.

> > > > > Nowhere does it appear to be Lagna or Chandra rasi. So would

you

> > let

> > > > us

> > > > > know the logic of arriving at the conclusion that Sagittarius

is a

> > > > > combative rasi?

> > > > >

> > > > > In the editions of BPHS that I have I find all the

commentators

> > > > > describing Sagittarius as a Satvik rasi. Is there any

astrological

> > > > text

> > > > > that says otherwise?

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did this few days back & thought would share it with all,

though

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > non-conclusive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Irans Chart (KNRs data)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sg is in the 6H of disputes/war - we know what they are

into,

> > and

> > > > > > position of lagna lord confirms it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chinas Chart (KNRs data)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sagi is in the 12H where Jup is placed, their foreign

neigbors

> > are

> > > > > > religious Tibet & India (shown by Jup) but they attacked

both

> > > > countries

> > > > > > and has occupied one of them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pakistans Chart (KNRs data though Jhora gives me different

> > lagna)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9H has Sagi, 9L of religion Jup in 7H of opponent &

war/secret

> > > > enemies.

> > > > > > It also very clearly shows what India (their opponent)

> > > > is............in

> > > > > > reality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Osamas chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3H of action & death (Sagi) he carries it abroad as Jup is

> > placed in

> > > > > > 12H. He is fanatic Jehadi as beleived by majority

> > > > > > receivin the aspect of Sat from maraka house(behari)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >