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"Above Material Nature"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.64-65

Vrndavana, September 1, 1975

 

 

 

 

Prabhupada:

 

tam eva tosayam asa

pitryenarthena yavata

gramyair manoramaih kamaih

prasideta yatha tatha

[sB 6.1.64]

 

So after seeing the woman, he was meditating always, twenty-four hours,

about

the subject, lusty desires. Kamais tais tair hrta-jnanah [bg. 7.20]. When

one

becomes lusty, then one becomes lost of all intelligence. The whole world is

going on on the basis of these lusty desires. This is material world. And

because I am lusty, you are lusty, every one of us, so as soon as my desires

are

not fulfilled, your desires are not fulfilled, then I become your enemy, you

become my enemy. I cannot see you are making very good progress. You cannot

see

 

me making very good progress. This is material world, envious, lusty

desires,

kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya. This is the basis of this material

world.

 

So he became... The training was that he was training to become a brahmana,

samo, dama, but the progress became checked on account of being attached to

a

woman. Therefore according to Vedic civilization, the woman is accepted as

hindrance to spiritual advancement. The whole basic civilization is how to

avoid... Woman... You do not think that only woman is woman. The man is also

woman.

Don't think that the woman is condemned; man is not. Woman means enjoyed,

and

man means enjoyer. So this feeling, this feeling is condemned. If I see one

woman for enjoyment, so I am man. And if woman also sees another man for

enjoyment, she is also man. Woman means enjoyed and man means enjoyer. So

anyone who

has got feeling of enjoyment, he is considered to be man. So here both sexes

meant for... Everyone is planning, "How I shall enjoy?" Therefore he is

purusa,

 

artificially. Otherwise, originally, we are all prakrti, jiva, either woman

or

man. This is outward dress.

 

In the Bhagavad-gita it is said,

 

apareyam itas tv (anyam)

viddhi me prakrtim param

jiva-bhutah maha-baho

yayedam dharyate jagat

[bg. 7.5]

 

The prakrti... We are prakrti, nature, spiritual nature, para prakrti. The

material nature is apara prakrti, and we living entities, we are trying to

enjoy

this prakrti. Therefore sometimes the living entity, either man or woman, he

is described as purusa. Purusa means the one who keeps the feeling of

becoming

enjoyer. That is purusa. So this material world is prakrti and purusa. It is

said in the Srimad Bhagavatam in the instruction of Rsabhadeva, pumsam

striya

mithuni-bhavam etat. The whole basic principle of materialistic civilization

is the attachment between man and woman. Pumsam striya mithuni-bhava.

Mithuni-bhavam is sex. And tayor mitho hrdaya-granthim ahuh. On account of

this

sex

relationship, the man or woman is bound up. Hrdaya-granthi. Granthi means

knot,

 

and hrdaya means heart. So the man is thinking of the woman, and the woman

is

thinking of man. Hrdaya granthim ahuh. Then we require material possession.

Atah grha-ksetra-sutapta-vittair janasya moho 'yam aham mameti [sB 5.5.8].

This

 

is our material, conditional life.

 

So this man, although he was being trained up as a brahmana, his attention

was diverted all of a sudden by seeing one sudra and sudrani embracing,

kissing,

talking. So that became his meditation. Instead of meditating on Visnu, he

began to meditate on that sudrani. Svayam eva tosayam asa. In the first

verse,

tan-nimitta-smara vyaja-graha-grasto vicetasah. He became mad, vicetasa,

bewildered, as if haunted by ghost. Tam eva manasa dhyayan. Always

meditating,

"How

shall I get that woman? How shall I please that woman so that she may

satisfy

my lusty desires?" Therefore tam eva tosayam asa: "His only business was how

to please her." Now they require money. So he was not earning money, but

pitryena, whatever money he inherited from the father's earning... The son

generally

inherits father's property. He was the only son. So he was squandering the

father's money in that way just to please that sudrani-tam eva tosayam asa

pitryenarthena yavata -- as much as possible. If he could get more money,

then

he

would have spent them only for that women. Gramyaih. Gramyair manoramaih.

This

word gramya is very significant. Gramya means external, material. Gramyair

manoramaih. By the sense gratification, whatever we find very pleasing, that

is

 

called gramya manorama. Actually that is not pleasing. That is entangling.

But

he became entangled. So gramyair manoramaih kamaih. The basic principle is

lust. Kamaih prasideta yah. Wanted to satisfy the woman here and there as

soon

as

meets. We can see these examples very often. Then next step was,

 

vipram sva-bharyam apraudham

kule mahati lambhitam

visasarjacirat papah

svairinyapanga-viddha-dhih

[sB 6.1.65]

 

There are three kinds of women: kamini, svairini, and pumscali. Pumscali.

Svairini means free, freedom. Nobody is controller. That is called svairini.

And

kamini means to attract, very much attract. And another, pumscali -- living

with woman, er, man for some time; giving up; again another; again another.

That

is exemplified by the lightning. You have seen the lightning -- immediately,

within a second, from this cloud to that cloud, that cloud to that cloud. So

they are called svairini. So three divisions. Similarly, there are divisions

of

 

men also.

 

So in this way the material world is very, very entangled. And if we become

Krsna conscious, then we become free from this entanglement. All these

criticisms or the divisions are there for gramyaih. Therefore Caitanya

Mahaprabhu has

advised, grama-katha na sunibe, bhala na khaibe na bhala na paribe. This is

vairagya -- "Don't indulge in gramya-katha." Therefore we always advise,

"Don't

 

read newspaper. Don't read any other book," because it is full of

gramya-katha, gramyaih. So to avoid it as far as possible. There is no need.

What is the

news of a gramya-katha newspaper? The same thing repeated. "Here there is

flood, where there is train disaster, where there is accident, and

political,

and

one politician is giving speech, another politician is giving speech." These

are the gramya things. So we should save ourself. Gramyair manoramaih. These

externally very attractive news, we should avoid it completely. We shall

simply

 

talk of Krsna. That is the safest method. We shall simply talk krsna-katha.

And

 

krsna-katha means what Krsna has said. That is krsna-katha. Or what is

spoken

about Krsna. So Bhagavad-gita means krsna-katha, what Krsna has said. And

Srimad Bhagavatam is also krsna-katha because everything said about Krsna.

So

we

don't We should not indulge in gramya-katha. That will mislead us. And if we

do not indulge in gramya-katha, but if we make advancement on Krsna-katha,

then

 

we are always situated on transcendental position. We are no more affected

by

the modes of material nature. Sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate

[bg. 14.26]. So we should stick to this principle. Then we shall be saved.

Otherwise, either I become man or woman, we are all condemned because we are

implicated with gramya-katha.

 

So gramya-katha should be avoided. The temple is specially meant for

Krsna-katha. Here there is no other business than Krsna. Therefore a temple

is

always

transcendental, nirguna. Nirguna. If you live in the forest, that is

sattva-guna. If you live in the city, that is rajo-guna. And if you live in

the

brothel

or liquor house or gambling house, that is tamo-guna. But if you live in the

temple, that is nirguna. Traigunya-visaya-veda nistraigunyo bhavarjuna. This

is advice of Krsna. The whole world is complicated with the three modes of

material nature, and you have to become above this material nature.

Nistraigunyo

bhavarjuna. So nistraigunya, how you can become? Sa gunan samatityaitan

brahma-bhuyaya kalpate [bg. 14.26]. Who... (end)

 

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1975

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