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For the subsidence (cease from agitation; become tranquil) of the

mind there is no other means more effective then Self-enquiry. This

is the direct method. All other methods are practiced while

retaining the ego and therefore many doubts arise and the ultimate

question remains to be tackled in the end. In Self-enquiry the

final question is the only one and is raised from the beginning. In

Self-enquiry there is only the subject and no object.

 

Q: Why should Self-enquiry alone be considered the direct path to

Realization (of one's true nature)?

 

A: Because every kind of path except Self-enquiry presupposes the

retention of the mind as the instrument for following it, and cannot

be followed without the mind. The ego may take different and more

subtle forms at different stages of one's practice but it is never

destroyed. The attempt to destroy the ego or the mind by methods

other than Self-enquiry is like a thief turning policeman to catch

the thief that is himself (he will go along with you and pretend to

catch the thief, but nothing will be gained). Self-enquiry alone

can reveal the truth that neither the ego nor the mind really exists

and enable one to realize the pure, undifferentiated (having neither

definite form nor structure; shapeless) Being of the Self or the

Absolute.

 

The statement that by the method of Self-enquiry the mind is not

used means that the mind is not taken for granted (assume something

to be true or valid) as a real entity but its very existence is

questioned, and that this is the easiest way to dispel the illusion

(the faulty perception of an external object / a misapprehension of

the true state of affairs) of its existence.

 

You must turn inwards and see where the mind rises from and then it

will cease to exist. The mind turned outwards results in thoughts

and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self.

 

Source: Various reliable publications of / on Sri Ramana Maharshi's

teachings.

[Guest guest]

DEar friends,

Could someone explain the following?

Thanks

sundar

 

RamanaMaharshi, "saikali6362" <saikali6362

wrote:

>

>

> You must turn inwards and see where the mind rises from and then it

> will cease to exist. The mind turned outwards results in thoughts

> and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self.

>

> Source: Various reliable publications of / on Sri Ramana Maharshi's

> teachings.

>

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My dear Shri Sundar,

Bhagavan Ramana explained more than once to this question raised by N number of devotees.

From silence thoughts come one after the other, thoughts become words and words become deeds and deeds done continuously become habit.

When one starts paying attention as to where the thought emanates - there will be silence. We should not allow our logical mind to intervene and answer that question.

If that happens, then we should ask for whom these thought are? - Bhagavan would advise the seeker " Unless the questioner is known no question can be set at rest".

Once the gap between two thoughts is widened, the seeker is on the right path. Such experiences are beyond description. Sundarji take Guru's help and just start practising - then no question will erupt. Ramanaarpanam.

Ganesh Ramachandran

sundar22ca <sundar22ca > wrote:

DEar friends,

Could someone explain the following?

Thanks

sundar

 

RamanaMaharshi, "saikali6362" <saikali6362

wrote:

>

>

> You must turn inwards and see where the mind rises from and then it

> will cease to exist. The mind turned outwards results in thoughts

> and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self.

>

> Source: Various reliable publications of / on Sri Ramana Maharshi's

> teachings.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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RamanaMaharshi, "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca

wrote:

>

> DEar friends,

> Could someone explain the following?

> Thanks

> sundar

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "saikali6362"

<saikali6362@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > You must turn inwards and see where the mind rises from and then

it

> > will cease to exist. The mind turned outwards results in

thoughts

> > and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self.

> >

> > Source: Various reliable publications of / on Sri Ramana

Maharshi's

> > teachings.

> >

>

The Self is the Heart. The Heart is selfluminous. Light arises from

the Heart and reaches the brain, which is the seat of the mind. The

world is seen with the mind, that is, by the reflected light of the

Self. It is perceived with the aid of the mind. When the mind is

illumined it is aware of the world. When it is not itself so

illumined, it is not aware of the world. If the mind is turned in

towards the source of light, objective knowledge ceases and Self

alone shines forth as the Heart.

 

The moon shines by the reflected light of the sun. When the

sun has set, the moon is useful for revealing objects. When the sun

has risen, no one needs the moon, although the pale disc of the moon

is visible in the sky.

 

So it is with the mind and the Heart. The mind is useful

because of its reflected light. It is used for seeing objects. When

it is turned inwards, the source of illumination shines forth by

itself, and the mind remains dim and useless like the moon in day-

time.

 

Atman is realised with mruta manas (dead mind), i.e., mind

devoid of thoughts and turned inward. Then the mind sees its own

source and becomes That. It is not as the subject perceiving an

object.

 

When the room is dark a lamp is necessary to illumine and

eyesto cognise objects. But when the sun is risen there is no need

of a lamp, and the objects are seen; and to see the sun no lamp is

necessary, it is enough that you turn your eyes towards the

selfluminous sun.

 

Similarly with the mind. To see the objects the reflected

light of the mind is necessary. To see the Heart it is enough that

the mind is turned towards it. Then the mind loses itself and the

Heart shines forth.

 

The essence of mind is only awareness or consciousness.

When the ego, however, dominates it, it functions as the reasoning,

thinking or sensing faculty. The cosmic mind being not limited by

the ego, has nothing separate from itself and is therefore only

aware. This is what the Bible means by "I am that I AM".

http://360./josongeorge5 - Be as you are.

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My dear Joe.

Your explanation to our friend Shri Sundar is in length. I appreciate you for your efforts. However, as our friend is already in a confused state of mind, I dont think he will catch the facts in your explanation. One can understand this only from a higher platform.

Ramanaarpanam.

Ganesh Ramachandran

 

Jeo <josongeorge5 > wrote:

RamanaMaharshi, "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca

wrote:

>

> DEar friends,

> Could someone explain the following?

> Thanks

> sundar

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "saikali6362"

<saikali6362@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > You must turn inwards and see where the mind rises from and then

it

> > will cease to exist. The mind turned outwards results in

thoughts

> > and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self.

> >

> > Source: Various reliable publications of / on Sri Ramana

Maharshi's

> > teachings.

> >

>

The Self is the Heart. The Heart is selfluminous. Light arises from

the Heart and reaches the brain, which is the seat of the mind. The

world is seen with the mind, that is, by the reflected light of the

Self. It is perceived with the aid of the mind. When the mind is

illumined it is aware of the world. When it is not itself so

illumined, it is not aware of the world. If the mind is turned in

towards the source of light, objective knowledge ceases and Self

alone shines forth as the Heart.

 

The moon shines by the reflected light of the sun. When the

sun has set, the moon is useful for revealing objects. When the sun

has risen, no one needs the moon, although the pale disc of the moon

is visible in the sky.

 

So it is with the mind and the Heart. The mind is useful

because of its reflected light. It is used for seeing objects. When

it is turned inwards, the source of illumination shines forth by

itself, and the mind remains dim and useless like the moon in day-

time.

 

Atman is realised with mruta manas (dead mind), i.e., mind

devoid of thoughts and turned inward. Then the mind sees its own

source and becomes That. It is not as the subject perceiving an

object.

 

When the room is dark a lamp is necessary to illumine and

eyesto cognise objects. But when the sun is risen there is no need

of a lamp, and the objects are seen; and to see the sun no lamp is

necessary, it is enough that you turn your eyes towards the

selfluminous sun.

 

Similarly with the mind. To see the objects the reflected

light of the mind is necessary. To see the Heart it is enough that

the mind is turned towards it. Then the mind loses itself and the

Heart shines forth.

 

The essence of mind is only awareness or consciousness.

When the ego, however, dominates it, it functions as the reasoning,

thinking or sensing faculty. The cosmic mind being not limited by

the ego, has nothing separate from itself and is therefore only

aware. This is what the Bible means by "I am that I AM".

http://360./josongeorge5 - Be as you are.

 

 

 

 

 

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my dear Ganesh,

 

if it is true that one can only understand this from a higher

platform, then all such teachings are futile. Surely he wishes to

understand the meaning of the words as conveyed, and not realize

through an explanation what the words point to. I would venture to

say that Shri Sundar has experience of mind, ego and a sense of

separation from self, so the explanation need not be confusing, but a

ueful direction, perhaps?

 

 

On 2 Sep 2006, at 05:10, ramachandran ganesh wrote:

 

> My dear Joe.

>

> Your explanation to our friend Shri Sundar is in length. I

> appreciate you for your efforts. However, as our friend is already

> in a confused state of mind, I dont think he will catch the facts

> in your explanation. One can understand this only from a higher

> platform.

>

> Ramanaarpanam.

>

> Ganesh Ramachandran

>

 

John Plumridge

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Ganesh,

I have a lot of faith in the theory explained. But my problem is

that when it comes to practice, it does not follow the theory. When

I start paying attention to the source of the thoughts, silence does

not result. Instead, only the logical mind intervenes. Perhaps, this

could be elaborated. I agree that I did not word my question right.

sundar

 

"When one starts paying attention as to where the thought emanates -

there will be silence. We should not allow our logical mind to

intervene and answer that question."

 

"To see the Heart it is enough that the mind is turned towards it.

Then the mind loses itself and the Heart shines forth."

 

RamanaMaharshi, chueewowee <chueewowee

wrote:

>

> my dear Ganesh,

>

> if it is true that one can only understand this from a higher

> platform, then all such teachings are futile. Surely he wishes to

> understand

[Guest guest]

Dear Sundar,

 

With the permission of the other devotees, I take the liberty of

trying to clarify your doubt.

 

Self-enquiry is meant for logical minds!

 

As Bhagavan clearly says, 'It is the one infallible means of realizing

the Pure, Unconditioned Being that you really are."

 

Yes, the mind will try and think logically. What we are supposed to do

is to catch or counter every thought with the question, "To whom is

this thought?"

 

The answer will be "To me."

 

Then pose the question, "Who am I?"

 

If the mind counters with the thought "i am Sundar.", counter that

with the question, "To whom is the 'I am Sundar' thought?"

 

And so on.

 

Bhagavan's beautiful method simply tires the mind into submission. I

spoke to a senior devotee a couple of years ago, with the same doubt.

And he said that even if I blindly practised this, the effects would

show. All I can say is that my personal experience has confirmed it to

be true.

 

For me at least, if I do it right, for hours afterwards, in quieter

moments, I can sense a fullness in my Heart region. It cannot be

explained in words, but I guess that it confirms Bhagavan's statement

that even if you practice for half an hour everyday, the current will

last much longer.

 

I used to look for results during my meditation and after it, but the

mind is incapable of registering it.

 

To end this message, I must recall a conversation I had with Dr.

Murthy at Ramanashramam, two months ago. I asked him about the correct

way to practice self-enquiry.

 

His reply could have come straight from Bhagavan's lips! He asked me

to humbly submit to Bhagavan before starting my meditation, and to

counter every thought with Bhagavan's timeless question. And it works.

 

Just proves Bhagavan's reply to Dilip Kumar Roy's question about

whether Bhakti or Jnana was superior.

 

Bhagavan said, "Bhakti is the mother of Jnana!"

 

Hope this is of help.

 

Yours in Bhagavan,

 

Nandu

 

 

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca

wrote:

>

> Ganesh,

> I have a lot of faith in the theory explained. But my problem is

> that when it comes to practice, it does not follow the theory. When

> I start paying attention to the source of the thoughts, silence does

> not result. Instead, only the logical mind intervenes. Perhaps, this

> could be elaborated. I agree that I did not word my question right.

> sundar

>

> "When one starts paying attention as to where the thought emanates -

> there will be silence. We should not allow our logical mind to

> intervene and answer that question."

>

> "To see the Heart it is enough that the mind is turned towards it.

> Then the mind loses itself and the Heart shines forth."

>

> RamanaMaharshi, chueewowee <chueewowee@>

> wrote:

> >

> > my dear Ganesh,

> >

> > if it is true that one can only understand this from a higher

> > platform, then all such teachings are futile. Surely he wishes to

> > understand

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sundar,

 

Your earlier question and this one are in essence the same, though

from different perspectives.

 

What you have quoted is Bhagavan's overview of self-enquiry, where He

puts forward the principle.

 

The actual technique is by questioning every thought with the query,

'To whom is this thought?',

 

the answer being 'To me.',

 

which in turn leads to 'Who am I?'

 

Bhagavan used to say that it was not a mere repetition of the

question, but an intense activity of the mind aimed at merging the

mind in its source.

 

The passage that you have quoted, if I remember right, was used for

advanced seekers like Kavyakantha, who could instantly grasp the essence.

 

For people like me though, it is about stopping every thought with the

Timeless Question, till the mind tires and subsides into a lull of no

thoughts.

 

What I have put down is what I have tried to practice for the last ten

years.

 

Permit me this, Sundar. Just do it as a mere mental questioning at

first. And see what happens. You will be both surprised and happy.

 

In my own experience (I am a mere novice), once we make that initial

effort, be it right or wrong, Ramana will jump in at some point in

time and course correct from within.

 

I say this in all humility. Just trust Bhagavan and start. Don't worry

if logic tries to intervene. It is merely your mind that is feeling

threatened and trying to pull you back!

 

The logical thought is also just a thought. Question that also

fearlessly. And let Him do the rest.

 

If I sound like I am preaching, my apologies. I am merely trying to

put down what I try to practice.

 

Yours in Bhagavan

 

Nandu

 

 

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi,

 

 

 

"sundar22ca" <sundar22ca wrote:

>

> DEar friends,

> Could someone explain the following?

> Thanks

> sundar

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "saikali6362" <saikali6362@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > You must turn inwards and see where the mind rises from and then it

> > will cease to exist. The mind turned outwards results in thoughts

> > and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self.

> >

> > Source: Various reliable publications of / on Sri Ramana Maharshi's

> > teachings.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sir!

 

You have been a member of our list for four days, during which you have

made five posts and uploaded two folders containing similar shots to our

photos section.

 

Sri Saikali has been a member of our list for over two years and, as

stated by him, his posts are culled from reliable sources. His posts are

well-known to members who have come to enjoy them.

 

> If I sound like I am preaching, my apologies. I am merely trying to

> put down what I try to practice.

 

More practice and less preaching might be suitable for you, Sir.

 

There is no limit to the amount of groups which "" can accomodate.

So perhaps you would like to form your own list, and then people who

want to listen to you may do it there!

 

Sincerely,

 

John

 

~ ~ Moderator ~ ~

 

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "aqua_minerale42"

<aqua_minerale42 wrote:

>

> Dear Sundar,

>

> Your earlier question and this one are in essence the same, though

> from different perspectives.

>

> What you have quoted is Bhagavan's overview of self-enquiry, where He

> puts forward the principle.

>

> The actual technique is by questioning every thought with the query,

> 'To whom is this thought?',

>

> the answer being 'To me.',

>

> which in turn leads to 'Who am I?'

>

> Bhagavan used to say that it was not a mere repetition of the

> question, but an intense activity of the mind aimed at merging the

> mind in its source.

>

> The passage that you have quoted, if I remember right, was used for

> advanced seekers like Kavyakantha, who could instantly grasp the

essence.

>

> For people like me though, it is about stopping every thought with the

> Timeless Question, till the mind tires and subsides into a lull of no

> thoughts.

>

> What I have put down is what I have tried to practice for the last ten

> years.

>

> Permit me this, Sundar. Just do it as a mere mental questioning at

> first. And see what happens. You will be both surprised and happy.

>

> In my own experience (I am a mere novice), once we make that initial

> effort, be it right or wrong, Ramana will jump in at some point in

> time and course correct from within.

>

> I say this in all humility. Just trust Bhagavan and start. Don't worry

> if logic tries to intervene. It is merely your mind that is feeling

> threatened and trying to pull you back!

>

> The logical thought is also just a thought. Question that also

> fearlessly. And let Him do the rest.

>

> If I sound like I am preaching, my apologies. I am merely trying to

> put down what I try to practice.

>

> Yours in Bhagavan

>

> Nandu

>

>

>

>

>

> RamanaMaharshi,

>

>

>

> "sundar22ca" sundar22ca@ wrote:

> >

> > DEar friends,

> > Could someone explain the following?

> > Thanks

> > sundar

> >

> > RamanaMaharshi, "saikali6362" <saikali6362@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > You must turn inwards and see where the mind rises from and then

it

> > > will cease to exist. The mind turned outwards results in thoughts

> > > and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self.

> > >

> > > Source: Various reliable publications of / on Sri Ramana

Maharshi's

> > > teachings.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

Two things.

 

First, it is not my intention to preach. I look at something and instinctively put down my thoughts.

 

And I do wish you had quoted from the other parts of my post, where I have clearly stated my own status as a beginner. So, your advice on more practice being suitable for me is anyway something that one does, to the best of one's ability.

 

So it is not born out of ego, and in fact, it is born out of an enthusiasm to share my experiences with fellow devotees.

 

As far as the pictures that I have posted, again, I am only sharing what I have, and am not in competition for any prize. I can only say that I am pained by your rather vitriolic letter.

 

But then, pain is something that is felt by the ego, right?

 

Anyway, I came here to meet fellow devotees, and I leave with no ill-will.

 

Yours In Bhagavan,

 

Nandu

 

 

 

John <ramanachala (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote: Sir!

 

You have been a member of our list for four days, during which you have made five posts and uploaded two folders containing similar shots to our photos section.

 

Sri Saikali has been a member of our list for over two years and, as stated by him, his posts are culled from reliable sources. His posts are well-known to members who have come to enjoy them.

 

> If I sound like I am preaching, my apologies. I am merely trying to

> put down what I try to practice.

 

More practice and less preaching might be suitable for you, Sir.

 

There is no limit to the amount of groups which "" can accomodate. So perhaps you would like to form your own list, and then people who want to listen to you may do it there!

 

Sincerely,

 

John

 

 

~ ~ Moderator ~ ~

 

 

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "aqua_minerale42" <aqua_minerale42 wrote:

>

> Dear Sundar,

>

> Your earlier question and this one are in essence the same, though

> from different perspectives.

>

> What you have quoted is Bhagavan's overview of self-enquiry, where He

> puts forward the principle.

>

> The actual technique is by questioning every thought with the query,

> 'To whom is this thought?',

>

> the answer being 'To me.',

>

> which in turn leads to 'Who am I?'

>

> Bhagavan used to say that it was not a mere repetition of the

> question, but an intense activity of the mind aimed at merging the

> mind in its source.

>

> The passage that you have quoted, if I remember right, was used for

> advanced seekers like Kavyakantha, who could instantly grasp the essence.

>

> For people like me though, it is about stopping every thought with the

> Timeless Question, till the mind tires and subsides into a lull of no

> thoughts.

>

> What I have put down is what I have tried to practice for the last ten

> years.

>

> Permit me this, Sundar. Just do it as a mere mental questioning at

> first. And see what happens. You will be both surprised and happy.

>

> In my own experience (I am a mere novice), once we make that initial

> effort, be it right or wrong, Ramana will jump in at some point in

> time and course correct from within.

>

> I say this in all humility. Just trust Bhagavan and start. Don't worry

> if logic tries to intervene. It is merely your mind that is feeling

> threatened and trying to pull you back!

>

> The logical thought is also just a thought. Question that also

> fearlessly. And let Him do the rest.

>

> If I sound like I am preaching, my apologies. I am merely trying to

> put down what I try to practice.

>

> Yours in Bhagavan

>

> Nandu

>

>

>

>

>

> RamanaMaharshi,

>

>

>

> "sundar22ca" sundar22ca@ wrote:

> >

> > DEar friends,

> > Could someone explain the following?

> > Thanks

> > sundar

> >

> > RamanaMaharshi, "saikali6362" <saikali6362@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > You must turn inwards and see where the mind rises from and then it

> > > will cease to exist. The mind turned outwards results in thoughts

> > > and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self.

> > >

> > > Source: Various reliable publications of / on Sri Ramana Maharshi's

> > > teachings.

> > >

> >

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

John,

It is very useful to discuss the practical problems that we face

while putting Bhagavan's method into practice. Being a moderator is

hard work & entails responsibility. I thank you for your services.

But, I do wish you could be more considerate to sadhakas who have a

genuine desire to help other fellow sadhakas in the same boat.

sundar

RamanaMaharshi, nandu narasimhan

<aqua_minerale42 wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

>

> So it is not born out of ego, and in fact, it is born out of an

enthusiasm to share my experiences with fellow devotees.

>

> John <ramanachala wrote: Sir!

>

> You have been a member of our list for four days, during which you

have made five posts and uploaded two folders containing similar

shots to our photos section.

>

..

>

> More practice and less preaching might be suitable for you, Sir.

>

> There is no limit to the amount of groups which "" can

accomodate. So perhaps you would like to form your own list, and

then people who want to listen to you may do it there!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> John

>

>

> ~ ~ Moderator ~ ~

[Guest guest]

Dear Nandu,

 

Please do not leave. Misunderstandings are a part of all our lives.

 

In Bhagavan,

 

Peter

[Guest guest]

>But, I do wish you could be more considerate to sadhakas who have a

> genuine desire to help other fellow sadhakas in the same boat.

 

Indeed, Sir. The point is well-made and well-taken.

 

Thank you.

 

We all undergo various trials of one kind of another.

 

It was a gut outburst. No offence meant, and trusting that none is

taken.

 

May Sri Bhagavan's Upadesa be a moderating influence on us all!

 

Nandu, please carry on.

 

 

anbudan

 

John

 

 

Siva...Siva

RamanaMaharshi, "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca

wrote:

>

> John,

> It is very useful to discuss the practical problems that we face

> while putting Bhagavan's method into practice. Being a moderator is

> hard work & entails responsibility. I thank you for your services.

> But, I do wish you could be more considerate to sadhakas who have a

> genuine desire to help other fellow sadhakas in the same boat.

> sundar

> RamanaMaharshi, nandu narasimhan

> aqua_minerale42@ wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> >

> > So it is not born out of ego, and in fact, it is born out of an

> enthusiasm to share my experiences with fellow devotees.

> >

> > John ramanachala@ wrote: Sir!

> >

> > You have been a member of our list for four days, during which you

> have made five posts and uploaded two folders containing similar

> shots to our photos section.

> >

> .

> >

> > More practice and less preaching might be suitable for you, Sir.

> >

> > There is no limit to the amount of groups which "" can

> accomodate. So perhaps you would like to form your own list, and

> then people who want to listen to you may do it there!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > John

> >

> >

> > ~ ~ Moderator ~ ~

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sundar,

 

You will not believe this, but the problems that you had mentioned

about logic cutting in is something I have experienced for a long time.

 

In my experience, the only thing is to question and question. But I

have found that my mind at least is very cunning! It makes me fall asleep!

 

Bhagavan has said that this was normal, and He said that one could

resume enquiry the moment one woke up.

 

Sometimes, I feel that reading a book like 'Moments Remembered' or

other ones where devotees talk about simple acts of Bhagavan tends to

heighten my feeling of being with Him, in close physical proximity.

 

At such moments, I quickly shut the book and try enquiry, and I find

that the experience is far more heightened. Almost like Bhagavan is

personally supervising my attempt!

 

These are only my experiences. I am sharing them with you, because I

face the same problems that you do!

 

So it is a case of two minds coming together to try and dissolve

themselves!

 

Yours in Bhagavan

 

Nandu

 

RamanaMaharshi, "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca

wrote:

>

> John,

> It is very useful to discuss the practical problems that we face

> while putting Bhagavan's method into practice. Being a moderator is

> hard work & entails responsibility. I thank you for your services.

> But, I do wish you could be more considerate to sadhakas who have a

> genuine desire to help other fellow sadhakas in the same boat.

> sundar

> RamanaMaharshi, nandu narasimhan

> <aqua_minerale42@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> >

> > So it is not born out of ego, and in fact, it is born out of an

> enthusiasm to share my experiences with fellow devotees.

> >

> > John <ramanachala@> wrote: Sir!

> >

> > You have been a member of our list for four days, during which you

> have made five posts and uploaded two folders containing similar

> shots to our photos section.

> >

> .

> >

> > More practice and less preaching might be suitable for you, Sir.

> >

> > There is no limit to the amount of groups which "" can

> accomodate. So perhaps you would like to form your own list, and

> then people who want to listen to you may do it there!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > John

> >

> >

> > ~ ~ Moderator ~ ~

>