Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

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Hello Sir,

I was just going through the posting at Rudraksha Beads Soiety Club and my attention was drawn to one mail which I am reproducing below.

Hi All!

........................................

As I was browsing the net for some spiritual and religious matters, I

noticed something that I felt is best referred to this group for

feedback. I got to know from a site the following quote:

 

*********

PUJITO'HAM NA TAIR MARTYAIR NAMITO'HAM NA TAIR NARAH

NAKRTAM MARTYA LOKE YAIH SALAGRAM SILARCANAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 5/396 From SKANDA PURANA)

(Lord Shiva speaks to his son, Skanda) in this mortal world, if

anyone does not worship Shalagram Shila, I do not not at all accept

any of their worship and obeisances.

*********

 

My question here is, is it mandatory to have a shaligram at home

shrine where we worship Lord Shiva? I dont have one, and if it is

mandatory, I would like to get one too. What are your inputs on this?

 

My point of view is that it doesnt really matter HOW or WHAT you pray

or worship as long as you are sincerely devoted

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

Guru

Now my questionis that ..Is it mandatory to have atleast one Shaligrama Shila in my Altar despite I being Shivaite, I am wearing Rudrakasha, I have Shivlings of Parad etc. and many other things at my Altar.

Pl clarify .......Though my personal view is that it really should nt matter much.

Siddharth

 

 

 

 

Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth charts

as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must prevail. Y/s,

Richard

 

>

> Great story. And then when all 4 players each had the sametype of

ring on, who won?

>

> Surya

>

> ---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth

charts as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must

prevail. Y/s, Richard

>

> -

> Richard Shaw Brown

> planetary-gemology ;

sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects

> Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:31 AM

> Hessonite and luck?

>

>

> HESSONITE : The following story is also drawn from my own personal

> experience. In 1976, while staying on the Indonesia island of Bali,

> where I was having an extensive collection of astral jewelry

crafted by

> goldsmiths there, I was introduced to a young American living on this

> island. His nickname was "Abdula" due to his dark complexion, and he

> was known as an inveterate, chronic gambler. I informed Abdula

that the

> gem hessonite, when flawless, was renowned in traditional Hindu

lore as

> a lucky charm for gamblers, owing to its relationship with the fickle

> planet Rahu. I happened to have an exceptionally fine specimen of

> hessonite with me, which I'd recently obtained in Sri Lanka. Intrigued

> with the idea of owning a bought the stone and asked me to have it

> properly set in a ring for him. So I designed a special astral ring in

> pure silver, complete with the appropriate herbal ashes sealed into

> tiny tubes next to the stone, and sold this talisman to him for $400.

> When I went to deliver the ring, Abdula was deeply engaged in a

serious

> game of backgammon with several other people. He told his fellow

> gamblers about the lucky ring, and they all scoffed at the idea of

such

> a powerful talisman. So right then and there he slipped the ring onto

> his finger and decided to test its purported power. To everyone's

> incredulous amazement (and to my own great relief), Abdula won the

> price of the ring in the very first game, and immediately I received

> three new orders from the other players!

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> Designer & Gemologist

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> http://www.agt-gems.com

> http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> http://www.themisunderstood.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.net

> http://www.p-g-a.org

> http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> http://www.generalprem.com

> http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> http://www.sacred-objects.info

> sacred-objects/

> planetary-gemology/

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

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>

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It is not mandatory. Different scriptures say different things. No doubt reflecting the views of their authors.

 

Worship with a pure and simple heart and of course the Lord will accept it.

 

Blessings,

 

Surya

-

Siddharth Mishra

sacred-objects

Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:01 PM

Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

 

 

Hello Sir,

I was just going through the posting at Rudraksha Beads Soiety Club and my attention was drawn to one mail which I am reproducing below.

Hi All!

.......................................

As I was browsing the net for some spiritual and religious matters, I

noticed something that I felt is best referred to this group for

feedback. I got to know from a site the following quote:

 

*********

PUJITO'HAM NA TAIR MARTYAIR NAMITO'HAM NA TAIR NARAH

NAKRTAM MARTYA LOKE YAIH SALAGRAM SILARCANAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 5/396 From SKANDA PURANA)

(Lord Shiva speaks to his son, Skanda) in this mortal world, if

anyone does not worship Shalagram Shila, I do not not at all accept

any of their worship and obeisances.

*********

 

My question here is, is it mandatory to have a shaligram at home

shrine where we worship Lord Shiva? I dont have one, and if it is

mandatory, I would like to get one too. What are your inputs on this?

 

My point of view is that it doesnt really matter HOW or WHAT you pray

or worship as long as you are sincerely devoted

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

Guru

 

 

Now my questionis that ..Is it mandatory to have atleast one Shaligrama Shila in my Altar despite I being Shivaite, I am wearing Rudrakasha, I have Shivlings of Parad etc. and many other things at my Altar.

Pl clarify .......Though my personal view is that it really should nt matter much.

 

Siddharth

 

 

 

 

Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth charts

as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must prevail. Y/s,

Richard

 

>

> Great story. And then when all 4 players each had the sametype of

ring on, who won?

>

> Surya

>

> ---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth

charts as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must

prevail. Y/s, Richard

>

> -

> Richard Shaw Brown

> planetary-gemology ;

sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects

> Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:31 AM

> Hessonite and luck?

>

>

> HESSONITE : The following story is also drawn from my own personal

> experience. In 1976, while staying on the Indonesia island of Bali,

> where I was having an extensive collection of astral jewelry

crafted by

> goldsmiths there, I was introduced to a young American living on this

> island. His nickname was "Abdula" due to his dark complexion, and he

> was known as an inveterate, chronic gambler. I informed Abdula

that the

> gem hessonite, when flawless, was renowned in traditional Hindu

lore as

> a lucky charm for gamblers, owing to its relationship with the fickle

> planet Rahu. I happened to have an exceptionally fine specimen of

> hessonite with me, which I'd recently obtained in Sri Lanka. Intrigued

> with the idea of owning a bought the stone and asked me to have it

> properly set in a ring for him. So I designed a special astral ring in

> pure silver, complete with the appropriate herbal ashes sealed into

> tiny tubes next to the stone, and sold this talisman to him for $400.

> When I went to deliver the ring, Abdula was deeply engaged in a

serious

> game of backgammon with several other people. He told his fellow

> gamblers about the lucky ring, and they all scoffed at the idea of

such

> a powerful talisman. So right then and there he slipped the ring onto

> his finger and decided to test its purported power. To everyone's

> incredulous amazement (and to my own great relief), Abdula won the

> price of the ring in the very first game, and immediately I received

> three new orders from the other players!

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> Designer & Gemologist

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> http://www.agt-gems.com

> http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> http://www.themisunderstood.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.net

> http://www.p-g-a.org

> http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> http://www.generalprem.com

> http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> http://www.sacred-objects.info

> sacred-objects/

> planetary-gemology/

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

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>

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Hi Surya,

To be precise, the end conclusion of what you are saying is of course that Lord Shiva did not really speak this comment and it is the fictional(?) view of the unknown (?) author(s?) of the Skanda Purana?

~ Ole

 

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

It is not mandatory. Different scriptures say different things. No doubt reflecting the views of their authors.

Worship with a pure and simple heart and of course the Lord will accept it.

Blessings,

Surya

-

Siddharth Mishra

sacred-objects

Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:01 PM

Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

Hello Sir,

I was just going through the posting at Rudraksha Beads Soiety Club and my attention was drawn to one mail which I am reproducing below.

Hi All!

........................................

As I was browsing the net for some spiritual and religious matters, I

noticed something that I felt is best referred to this group for

feedback. I got to know from a site the following quote:

 

*********

PUJITO'HAM NA TAIR MARTYAIR NAMITO'HAM NA TAIR NARAH

NAKRTAM MARTYA LOKE YAIH SALAGRAM SILARCANAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 5/396 From SKANDA PURANA)

(Lord Shiva speaks to his son, Skanda) in this mortal world, if

anyone does not worship Shalagram Shila, I do not not at all accept

any of their worship and obeisances.

*********

 

My question here is, is it mandatory to have a shaligram at home

shrine where we worship Lord Shiva? I dont have one, and if it is

mandatory, I would like to get one too. What are your inputs on this?

 

My point of view is that it doesnt really matter HOW or WHAT you pray

or worship as long as you are sincerely devoted

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

Guru

Now my questionis that ..Is it mandatory to have atleast one Shaligrama Shila in my Altar despite I being Shivaite, I am wearing Rudrakasha, I have Shivlings of Parad etc. and many other things at my Altar.

Pl clarify .......Though my personal view is that it really should nt matter much.

Siddharth

 

 

 

 

Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth charts

as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must prevail. Y/s,

Richard

 

>

> Great story. And then when all 4 players each had the sametype of

ring on, who won?

>

> Surya

>

> ---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth

charts as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must

prevail. Y/s, Richard

>

> -

> Richard Shaw Brown

> planetary-gemology ;

sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects

> Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:31 AM

> Hessonite and luck?

>

>

> HESSONITE : The following story is also drawn from my own personal

> experience. In 1976, while staying on the Indonesia island of Bali,

> where I was having an extensive collection of astral jewelry

crafted by

> goldsmiths there, I was introduced to a young American living on this

> island. His nickname was "Abdula" due to his dark complexion, and he

> was known as an inveterate, chronic gambler. I informed Abdula

that the

> gem hessonite, when flawless, was renowned in traditional Hindu

lore as

> a lucky charm for gamblers, owing to its relationship with the fickle

> planet Rahu. I happened to have an exceptionally fine specimen of

> hessonite with me, which I'd recently obtained in Sri Lanka. Intrigued

> with the idea of owning a bought the stone and asked me to have it

> properly set in a ring for him. So I designed a special astral ring in

> pure silver, complete with the appropriate herbal ashes sealed into

> tiny tubes next to the stone, and sold this talisman to him for $400.

> When I went to deliver the ring, Abdula was deeply engaged in a

serious

> game of backgammon with several other people. He told his fellow

> gamblers about the lucky ring, and they all scoffed at the idea of

such

> a powerful talisman. So right then and there he slipped the ring onto

> his finger and decided to test its purported power. To everyone's

> incredulous amazement (and to my own great relief), Abdula won the

> price of the ring in the very first game, and immediately I received

> three new orders from the other players!

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> Designer & Gemologist

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> http://www.agt-gems.com

> http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> http://www.themisunderstood.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.net

> http://www.p-g-a.org

> http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> http://www.generalprem.com

> http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> http://www.sacred-objects.info

> sacred-objects/

> planetary-gemology/

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

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>

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Possibly, but not necessarily. As I stated clearly, different scriptures say different things--oftten contradictory things. Shiva has said something totally contradictory to this statment regarding His worship elsewhere in other Puranas. Other Deities have said varying and contradictory things regarding this point as well.

 

Again, the written versions would come long after the oral traditions and they could have been recorded incorrectly. Also who is translating this particular version? How do we know it is accurate? Maybe the translator(s) made changes to fit their own viewpoints. There are many possibilities.

 

Are you arguing my conclusion--especially for a deity called "Asutosh" because He is so easy to please?

 

I don't find such debates useful. It becomes just intellectual rhetoric as far as I am concerned. A pure and simple heart, love and devotion is what is needed.

 

Surya

-

Ole Alstrup

sacred-objects

Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:35 PM

Re: Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

 

 

Hi Surya,

To be precise, the end conclusion of what you are saying is of course that Lord Shiva did not really speak this comment and it is the fictional(?) view of the unknown (?) author(s?) of the Skanda Purana?

 

~ Ole

 

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

It is not mandatory. Different scriptures say different things. No doubt reflecting the views of their authors.

 

Worship with a pure and simple heart and of course the Lord will accept it.

 

Blessings,

 

Surya

-

Siddharth Mishra

sacred-objects

Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:01 PM

Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

 

Hello Sir,

I was just going through the posting at Rudraksha Beads Soiety Club and my attention was drawn to one mail which I am reproducing below.

Hi All!

.......................................

As I was browsing the net for some spiritual and religious matters, I

noticed something that I felt is best referred to this group for

feedback. I got to know from a site the following quote:

 

*********

PUJITO'HAM NA TAIR MARTYAIR NAMITO'HAM NA TAIR NARAH

NAKRTAM MARTYA LOKE YAIH SALAGRAM SILARCANAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 5/396 From SKANDA PURANA)

(Lord Shiva speaks to his son, Skanda) in this mortal world, if

anyone does not worship Shalagram Shila, I do not not at all accept

any of their worship and obeisances.

*********

 

My question here is, is it mandatory to have a shaligram at home

shrine where we worship Lord Shiva? I dont have one, and if it is

mandatory, I would like to get one too. What are your inputs on this?

 

My point of view is that it doesnt really matter HOW or WHAT you pray

or worship as long as you are sincerely devoted

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

Guru

 

 

Now my questionis that ..Is it mandatory to have atleast one Shaligrama Shila in my Altar despite I being Shivaite, I am wearing Rudrakasha, I have Shivlings of Parad etc. and many other things at my Altar.

Pl clarify .......Though my personal view is that it really should nt matter much.

 

Siddharth

 

 

 

 

Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth charts

as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must prevail. Y/s,

Richard

 

>

> Great story. And then when all 4 players each had the sametype of

ring on, who won?

>

> Surya

>

> ---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth

charts as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must

prevail. Y/s, Richard

>

> -

> Richard Shaw Brown

> planetary-gemology ;

sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects

> Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:31 AM

> Hessonite and luck?

>

>

> HESSONITE : The following story is also drawn from my own personal

> experience. In 1976, while staying on the Indonesia island of Bali,

> where I was having an extensive collection of astral jewelry

crafted by

> goldsmiths there, I was introduced to a young American living on this

> island. His nickname was "Abdula" due to his dark complexion, and he

> was known as an inveterate, chronic gambler. I informed Abdula

that the

> gem hessonite, when flawless, was renowned in traditional Hindu

lore as

> a lucky charm for gamblers, owing to its relationship with the fickle

> planet Rahu. I happened to have an exceptionally fine specimen of

> hessonite with me, which I'd recently obtained in Sri Lanka. Intrigued

> with the idea of owning a bought the stone and asked me to have it

> properly set in a ring for him. So I designed a special astral ring in

> pure silver, complete with the appropriate herbal ashes sealed into

> tiny tubes next to the stone, and sold this talisman to him for $400.

> When I went to deliver the ring, Abdula was deeply engaged in a

serious

> game of backgammon with several other people. He told his fellow

> gamblers about the lucky ring, and they all scoffed at the idea of

such

> a powerful talisman. So right then and there he slipped the ring onto

> his finger and decided to test its purported power. To everyone's

> incredulous amazement (and to my own great relief), Abdula won the

> price of the ring in the very first game, and immediately I received

> three new orders from the other players!

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> Designer & Gemologist

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> http://www.agt-gems.com

> http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> http://www.themisunderstood.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.net

> http://www.p-g-a.org

> http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> http://www.generalprem.com

> http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> http://www.sacred-objects.info

> sacred-objects/

> planetary-gemology/

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

>

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Hi to all,

I was going thro www.salagram.net website on Shaligram. I could see various mantras described on the website and they have also written the same mantra describing the same text. I am sending you the link for your reference.

http://www.salagram.net/shaligramHBV.htm

This is for information.

Siddharth

 

Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:

Hi Surya,

To be precise, the end conclusion of what you are saying is of course that Lord Shiva did not really speak this comment and it is the fictional(?) view of the unknown (?) author(s?) of the Skanda Purana?

~ Ole

 

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

It is not mandatory. Different scriptures say different things. No doubt reflecting the views of their authors.

Worship with a pure and simple heart and of course the Lord will accept it.

Blessings,

Surya

-

Siddharth Mishra

sacred-objects

Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:01 PM

Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

Hello Sir,

I was just going through the posting at Rudraksha Beads Soiety Club and my attention was drawn to one mail which I am reproducing below.

Hi All!

........................................

As I was browsing the net for some spiritual and religious matters, I

noticed something that I felt is best referred to this group for

feedback. I got to know from a site the following quote:

 

*********

PUJITO'HAM NA TAIR MARTYAIR NAMITO'HAM NA TAIR NARAH

NAKRTAM MARTYA LOKE YAIH SALAGRAM SILARCANAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 5/396 From SKANDA PURANA)

(Lord Shiva speaks to his son, Skanda) in this mortal world, if

anyone does not worship Shalagram Shila, I do not not at all accept

any of their worship and obeisances.

*********

 

My question here is, is it mandatory to have a shaligram at home

shrine where we worship Lord Shiva? I dont have one, and if it is

mandatory, I would like to get one too. What are your inputs on this?

 

My point of view is that it doesnt really matter HOW or WHAT you pray

or worship as long as you are sincerely devoted

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

Guru

Now my questionis that ..Is it mandatory to have atleast one Shaligrama Shila in my Altar despite I being Shivaite, I am wearing Rudrakasha, I have Shivlings of Parad etc. and many other things at my Altar.

Pl clarify .......Though my personal view is that it really should nt matter much.

Siddharth

 

 

 

 

Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth charts

as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must prevail. Y/s,

Richard

 

>

> Great story. And then when all 4 players each had the sametype of

ring on, who won?

>

> Surya

>

> ---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth

charts as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must

prevail. Y/s, Richard

>

> -

> Richard Shaw Brown

> planetary-gemology ;

sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects

> Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:31 AM

> Hessonite and luck?

>

>

> HESSONITE : The following story is also drawn from my own personal

> experience. In 1976, while staying on the Indonesia island of Bali,

> where I was having an extensive collection of astral jewelry

crafted by

> goldsmiths there, I was introduced to a young American living on this

> island. His nickname was "Abdula" due to his dark complexion, and he

> was known as an inveterate, chronic gambler. I informed Abdula

that the

> gem hessonite, when flawless, was renowned in traditional Hindu

lore as

> a lucky charm for gamblers, owing to its relationship with the fickle

> planet Rahu. I happened to have an exceptionally fine specimen of

> hessonite with me, which I'd recently obtained in Sri Lanka. Intrigued

> with the idea of owning a bought the stone and asked me to have it

> properly set in a ring for him. So I designed a special astral ring in

> pure silver, complete with the appropriate herbal ashes sealed into

> tiny tubes next to the stone, and sold this talisman to him for $400.

> When I went to deliver the ring, Abdula was deeply engaged in a

serious

> game of backgammon with several other people. He told his fellow

> gamblers about the lucky ring, and they all scoffed at the idea of

such

> a powerful talisman. So right then and there he slipped the ring onto

> his finger and decided to test its purported power. To everyone's

> incredulous amazement (and to my own great relief), Abdula won the

> price of the ring in the very first game, and immediately I received

> three new orders from the other players!

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> Designer & Gemologist

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> http://www.agt-gems.com

> http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> http://www.themisunderstood.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.net

> http://www.p-g-a.org

> http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> http://www.generalprem.com

> http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> http://www.sacred-objects.info

> sacred-objects/

> planetary-gemology/

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

>

[Guest guest]

I was just interested in a more precise explanation of your opinion, that's all.

Thanks,

Ole

 

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Possibly, but not necessarily. As I stated clearly, different scriptures say different things--oftten contradictory things. Shiva has said something totally contradictory to this statment regarding His worship elsewhere in other Puranas. Other Deities have said varying and contradictory things regarding this point as well.

Again, the written versions would come long after the oral traditions and they could have been recorded incorrectly. Also who is translating this particular version? How do we know it is accurate? Maybe the translator(s) made changes to fit their own viewpoints. There are many possibilities.

Are you arguing my conclusion--especially for a deity called "Asutosh" because He is so easy to please?

I don't find such debates useful. It becomes just intellectual rhetoric as far as I am concerned. A pure and simple heart, love and devotion is what is needed.

Surya

-

Ole Alstrup

sacred-objects

Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:35 PM

Re: Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

Hi Surya,

To be precise, the end conclusion of what you are saying is of course that Lord Shiva did not really speak this comment and it is the fictional(?) view of the unknown (?) author(s?) of the Skanda Purana?

~ Ole

 

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

It is not mandatory. Different scriptures say different things. No doubt reflecting the views of their authors.

Worship with a pure and simple heart and of course the Lord will accept it.

Blessings,

Surya

-

Siddharth Mishra

sacred-objects

Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:01 PM

Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

Hello Sir,

I was just going through the posting at Rudraksha Beads Soiety Club and my attention was drawn to one mail which I am reproducing below.

Hi All!

........................................

As I was browsing the net for some spiritual and religious matters, I

noticed something that I felt is best referred to this group for

feedback. I got to know from a site the following quote:

 

*********

PUJITO'HAM NA TAIR MARTYAIR NAMITO'HAM NA TAIR NARAH

NAKRTAM MARTYA LOKE YAIH SALAGRAM SILARCANAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 5/396 From SKANDA PURANA)

(Lord Shiva speaks to his son, Skanda) in this mortal world, if

anyone does not worship Shalagram Shila, I do not not at all accept

any of their worship and obeisances.

*********

 

My question here is, is it mandatory to have a shaligram at home

shrine where we worship Lord Shiva? I dont have one, and if it is

mandatory, I would like to get one too. What are your inputs on this?

 

My point of view is that it doesnt really matter HOW or WHAT you pray

or worship as long as you are sincerely devoted

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

Guru

Now my questionis that ..Is it mandatory to have atleast one Shaligrama Shila in my Altar despite I being Shivaite, I am wearing Rudrakasha, I have Shivlings of Parad etc. and many other things at my Altar.

Pl clarify .......Though my personal view is that it really should nt matter much.

Siddharth

 

 

 

 

Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth charts

as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must prevail. Y/s,

Richard

 

>

> Great story. And then when all 4 players each had the sametype of

ring on, who won?

>

> Surya

>

> ---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth

charts as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must

prevail. Y/s, Richard

>

> -

> Richard Shaw Brown

> planetary-gemology ;

sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects

> Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:31 AM

> Hessonite and luck?

>

>

> HESSONITE : The following story is also drawn from my own personal

> experience. In 1976, while staying on the Indonesia island of Bali,

> where I was having an extensive collection of astral jewelry

crafted by

> goldsmiths there, I was introduced to a young American living on this

> island. His nickname was "Abdula" due to his dark complexion, and he

> was known as an inveterate, chronic gambler. I informed Abdula

that the

> gem hessonite, when flawless, was renowned in traditional Hindu

lore as

> a lucky charm for gamblers, owing to its relationship with the fickle

> planet Rahu. I happened to have an exceptionally fine specimen of

> hessonite with me, which I'd recently obtained in Sri Lanka. Intrigued

> with the idea of owning a bought the stone and asked me to have it

> properly set in a ring for him. So I designed a special astral ring in

> pure silver, complete with the appropriate herbal ashes sealed into

> tiny tubes next to the stone, and sold this talisman to him for $400.

> When I went to deliver the ring, Abdula was deeply engaged in a

serious

> game of backgammon with several other people. He told his fellow

> gamblers about the lucky ring, and they all scoffed at the idea of

such

> a powerful talisman. So right then and there he slipped the ring onto

> his finger and decided to test its purported power. To everyone's

> incredulous amazement (and to my own great relief), Abdula won the

> price of the ring in the very first game, and immediately I received

> three new orders from the other players!

>

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> Designer & Gemologist

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Well, okay, though that is not what I got from what you wrote. I think I gave one, yes?

 

Surya

-

Ole Alstrup

sacred-objects

Monday, September 04, 2006 2:18 AM

Re: Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

 

 

I was just interested in a more precise explanation of your opinion, that's all.

 

Thanks,

 

Ole

 

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Possibly, but not necessarily. As I stated clearly, different scriptures say different things--oftten contradictory things. Shiva has said something totally contradictory to this statment regarding His worship elsewhere in other Puranas. Other Deities have said varying and contradictory things regarding this point as well.

 

Again, the written versions would come long after the oral traditions and they could have been recorded incorrectly. Also who is translating this particular version? How do we know it is accurate? Maybe the translator(s) made changes to fit their own viewpoints. There are many possibilities.

 

Are you arguing my conclusion--especially for a deity called "Asutosh" because He is so easy to please?

 

I don't find such debates useful. It becomes just intellectual rhetoric as far as I am concerned. A pure and simple heart, love and devotion is what is needed.

 

Surya

-

Ole Alstrup

sacred-objects

Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:35 PM

Re: Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

 

Hi Surya,

To be precise, the end conclusion of what you are saying is of course that Lord Shiva did not really speak this comment and it is the fictional(?) view of the unknown (?) author(s?) of the Skanda Purana?

 

~ Ole

 

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

It is not mandatory. Different scriptures say different things. No doubt reflecting the views of their authors.

 

Worship with a pure and simple heart and of course the Lord will accept it.

 

Blessings,

 

Surya

-

Siddharth Mishra

sacred-objects

Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:01 PM

Lord Shiva's advise to his son Skanda about Shaligram

 

 

Hello Sir,

I was just going through the posting at Rudraksha Beads Soiety Club and my attention was drawn to one mail which I am reproducing below.

Hi All!

.......................................

As I was browsing the net for some spiritual and religious matters, I

noticed something that I felt is best referred to this group for

feedback. I got to know from a site the following quote:

 

*********

PUJITO'HAM NA TAIR MARTYAIR NAMITO'HAM NA TAIR NARAH

NAKRTAM MARTYA LOKE YAIH SALAGRAM SILARCANAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 5/396 From SKANDA PURANA)

(Lord Shiva speaks to his son, Skanda) in this mortal world, if

anyone does not worship Shalagram Shila, I do not not at all accept

any of their worship and obeisances.

*********

 

My question here is, is it mandatory to have a shaligram at home

shrine where we worship Lord Shiva? I dont have one, and if it is

mandatory, I would like to get one too. What are your inputs on this?

 

My point of view is that it doesnt really matter HOW or WHAT you pray

or worship as long as you are sincerely devoted

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

Guru

 

 

Now my questionis that ..Is it mandatory to have atleast one Shaligrama Shila in my Altar despite I being Shivaite, I am wearing Rudrakasha, I have Shivlings of Parad etc. and many other things at my Altar.

Pl clarify .......Though my personal view is that it really should nt matter much.

 

Siddharth

 

 

 

 

Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth charts

as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must prevail.. Y/s,

Richard

 

>

> Great story. And then when all 4 players each had the sametype of

ring on, who won?

>

> Surya

>

> ---That depends on the position of Rahu in each of their birth

charts as well as periods in motion. Out of 4 winners ONE must

prevail. Y/s, Richard

>

> -

> Richard Shaw Brown

> planetary-gemology ;

sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects

> Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:31 AM

> Hessonite and luck?

>

>

> HESSONITE : The following story is also drawn from my own personal

> experience. In 1976, while staying on the Indonesia island of Bali,

> where I was having an extensive collection of astral jewelry

crafted by

> goldsmiths there, I was introduced to a young American living on this

> island. His nickname was "Abdula" due to his dark complexion, and he

> was known as an inveterate, chronic gambler. I informed Abdula

that the

> gem hessonite, when flawless, was renowned in traditional Hindu

lore as

> a lucky charm for gamblers, owing to its relationship with the fickle

> planet Rahu. I happened to have an exceptionally fine specimen of

> hessonite with me, which I'd recently obtained in Sri Lanka. Intrigued

> with the idea of owning a bought the stone and asked me to have it

> properly set in a ring for him. So I designed a special astral ring in

> pure silver, complete with the appropriate herbal ashes sealed into

> tiny tubes next to the stone, and sold this talisman to him for $400.

> When I went to deliver the ring, Abdula was deeply engaged in a

serious

> game of backgammon with several other people. He told his fellow

> gamblers about the lucky ring, and they all scoffed at the idea of

such

> a powerful talisman. So right then and there he slipped the ring onto

> his finger and decided to test its purported power. To everyone's

> incredulous amazement (and to my own great relief), Abdula won the

> price of the ring in the very first game, and immediately I received

> three new orders from the other players!

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> Designer & Gemologist

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> http://www.agt-gems.com

> http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> http://www.themisunderstood.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.net

> http://www.p-g-a.org

> http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> http://www.generalprem.com

> http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> http://www.sacred-objects.info

> sacred-objects/

> planetary-gemology/

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

>